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[T5.2] Grid component manipulation
Hello everyone,
My main objective is to list complex data in rows with the paging feature
implemented.
I can think of other ways to list rows with complex data but the paging
feature is already implemented in the Grid component and I don't want to
reinvent the wheel so I'm thinking of using the Grid component.
Is there a way I can override the Grid component to use "div"s instead of
tables ? And to hide the header shown.
Thanks in advance.
--
*Regards,*
*Muhammad Gelbana
Java Software Programmer*
Re: [T5.2] Grid component manipulation
Posted by Kalle Korhonen <ka...@gmail.com>.
If you want rows and columns, use the grid, end of story. For paging
divs and other arbitrary items, check out ChenilleKit's PagedLoop
component, it's pretty flexible.
Kalle
On Mon, Nov 1, 2010 at 6:54 AM, Muhammad Mohsen <m....@gmail.com> wrote:
> Hello everyone,
>
> My main objective is to list complex data in rows with the paging feature
> implemented.
>
> I can think of other ways to list rows with complex data but the paging
> feature is already implemented in the Grid component and I don't want to
> reinvent the wheel so I'm thinking of using the Grid component.
>
> Is there a way I can override the Grid component to use "div"s instead of
> tables ? And to hide the header shown.
>
> Thanks in advance.
>
> --
> *Regards,*
> *Muhammad Gelbana
> Java Software Programmer*
>
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Re: [T5.2] Grid component manipulation
Posted by Michael Gentry <mg...@masslight.net>.
Read further:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tableless_web_design#The_use_of_tables
"Using divisions to simulate a table for the display of tabular data
is as much a design flaw as using tables to control graphic and page
layout."
mrg
On Mon, Nov 1, 2010 at 10:23 AM, Muhammad Mohsen <m....@gmail.com> wrote:
> It's a debate, whether to use tables or divs.
>
> Check this page: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tableless_web_design
> <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tableless_web_design>Search for: "This causes
> a number of problems"
>
> Also it's sometimes a client request that the web application
> becomes table-less and only DIVs are to be used. As I can't find a firm
> evidence that either is better or if there is even a difference, I can't
> convince my client other wise.
>
>
> On Mon, Nov 1, 2010 at 4:01 PM, Thiago H. de Paula Figueiredo <
> thiagohp@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> On Mon, 01 Nov 2010 11:54:17 -0200, Muhammad Mohsen <m....@gmail.com>
>> wrote:
>>
>> Hello everyone,
>>>
>>
>> Hi!
>>
>>
>> Is there a way I can override the Grid component to use "div"s instead of
>>> tables ?
>>>
>>
>> I don't think so. Why do you want that?
>>
>>
>> And to hide the header shown.
>>>
>>
>> You can CSS to hide it from view or use DOM rewriting to remove it from the
>> output.
>>
>> --
>> Thiago H. de Paula Figueiredo
>> Independent Java, Apache Tapestry 5 and Hibernate consultant, developer,
>> and instructor
>> Owner, Ars Machina Tecnologia da Informação Ltda.
>> http://www.arsmachina.com.br
>>
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>
>
> --
> *Regards,*
> *Muhammad Gelbana
> Java Software Programmer*
>
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Re: [T5.2] Grid component manipulation
Posted by "Thiago H. de Paula Figueiredo" <th...@gmail.com>.
On Mon, 01 Nov 2010 12:23:58 -0200, Muhammad Mohsen <m....@gmail.com>
wrote:
> It's a debate, whether to use tables or divs.
>
> Check this page: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tableless_web_design
> <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tableless_web_design>Search for: "This
> causes a number of problems"
I think you got that wrong. Tableless web design means not using tables
for layout (header, footer, menus, etc), but you still use tables for what
tables are meant to be used: tabular data, in other words, tables of data.
In this case, there's no reason Grid should use divs instead of tables.
The table tag is not forbidden nor deprecated, just misused.
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Re: [T5.2] Grid component manipulation
Posted by "Thiago H. de Paula Figueiredo" <th...@gmail.com>.
On Mon, 01 Nov 2010 13:03:13 -0200, Muhammad Mohsen <m....@gmail.com>
wrote:
> I have no considerable designing experience to argue with your statement.
> It's just that sometimes a client would insist on having a table-less
> application. Unless I can't override the Grid to render using tables, I
> can't accept the job. That's all :)
In this case, I bet your client doesn't want you to use tables for layout
purposes. It's tableless design, not presenting tabular data without table
tags.
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Independent Java, Apache Tapestry 5 and Hibernate consultant, developer,
and instructor
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Re: [T5.2] Grid component manipulation
Posted by Daniel Henze <dh...@googlemail.com>.
Hi Mohammad,
I did something similar as I needed paging and most of the Grid
functionality without showing a grid. My approach was to extend the
Grid, GridRows and GridColumns components. Most java code did stay the
same, but the regarding templates got updated to my clients requirements.
A schematic example:
MyGrid extends Grid {
@Component(
parameters = {
"columnIndex=inherit:columnIndex",
"rowsPerPage=rowsPerPage",
"currentPage=currentPage",
"row=row",
"overrides=overrides" },
publishParameters = "rowIndex,rowClass,volatile,encoder,lean")
private MyGridRows rows;
}
MyGridRows extends GridRows {
// nothing overwritten here, magic is in the template
}
---
MyGridRows.tml
<div class="grid-content">
<ul class="${rowClass}" xml:space="default"
xmlns:t="http://tapestry.apache.org/schema/tapestry_5_1_0.xsd">
<t:loop source="propertyNames" value="propertyName" index="columnIndex"
formstate="none">
<li class="${cellClass}" t:type="any" t:mixins="NotEmpty">
<t:gridcell model="columnModel" object="row" overrides="overrides"/>
</li>
</t:loop>
</ul>
</div>
---
Now the details are shown in a list instead of a table and therefore
leave designers plenty of options.
Hope that helps, though I'm not sure it's the best solution to tackle
the issue (still worked for me).
Regards
Daniel
Am 01.11.2010 16:03, schrieb Muhammad Mohsen:
> I have no considerable designing experience to argue with your statement.
> It's just that sometimes a client would insist on having a table-less
> application. Unless I can't override the Grid to render using tables, I
> can't accept the job. That's all :)
>
> I wish the mailing list is always active is its since the last hour or so :D
>
> On Mon, Nov 1, 2010 at 4:31 PM, Juan E. Maya<ma...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> Muhammad, as the article points out, tableless design is: "...a
>> philosophy eschewing the use of HTML tables for page layout control
>> purposes."
>>
>> Tables have a very good purpose in HTML they should be used to display
>> tabular data (A grid is exactly that). The problem is that 10 years
>> ago tables were used to create the layout of the page causing the
>> problems you point out.
>>
>> if you keep reading the article they mention the following. "..while
>> others are now afraid to introduce a simple HTML table even where it
>> makes good sense,[3] some erring by the overuse of span and div
>> elements, perhaps even with table-like rules applied to them using
>> CSS.[4]"
>>
>>
>> On Mon, Nov 1, 2010 at 3:23 PM, Muhammad Mohsen<m....@gmail.com>
>> wrote:
>>> It's a debate, whether to use tables or divs.
>>>
>>> Check this page:http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tableless_web_design
>>> <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tableless_web_design>Search for: "This
>> causes
>>> a number of problems"
>>>
>>> Also it's sometimes a client request that the web application
>>> becomes table-less and only DIVs are to be used. As I can't find a firm
>>> evidence that either is better or if there is even a difference, I can't
>>> convince my client other wise.
>>>
>>>
>>> On Mon, Nov 1, 2010 at 4:01 PM, Thiago H. de Paula Figueiredo<
>>> thiagohp@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>> On Mon, 01 Nov 2010 11:54:17 -0200, Muhammad Mohsen<
>> m.gelbana@gmail.com>
>>>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> Hello everyone,
>>>> Hi!
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Is there a way I can override the Grid component to use "div"s instead
>> of
>>>>> tables ?
>>>>>
>>>> I don't think so. Why do you want that?
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> And to hide the header shown.
>>>> You can CSS to hide it from view or use DOM rewriting to remove it from
>> the
>>>> output.
>>>>
>>>> --
>>>> Thiago H. de Paula Figueiredo
>>>> Independent Java, Apache Tapestry 5 and Hibernate consultant, developer,
>>>> and instructor
>>>> Owner, Ars Machina Tecnologia da Informação Ltda.
>>>> http://www.arsmachina.com.br
>>>>
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>>>>
>>>>
>>> --
>>> *Regards,*
>>> *Muhammad Gelbana
>>> Java Software Programmer*
>>>
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Re: [T5.2] Grid component manipulation
Posted by Muhammad Mohsen <m....@gmail.com>.
I have no considerable designing experience to argue with your statement.
It's just that sometimes a client would insist on having a table-less
application. Unless I can't override the Grid to render using tables, I
can't accept the job. That's all :)
I wish the mailing list is always active is its since the last hour or so :D
On Mon, Nov 1, 2010 at 4:31 PM, Juan E. Maya <ma...@gmail.com> wrote:
> Muhammad, as the article points out, tableless design is: "...a
> philosophy eschewing the use of HTML tables for page layout control
> purposes."
>
> Tables have a very good purpose in HTML they should be used to display
> tabular data (A grid is exactly that). The problem is that 10 years
> ago tables were used to create the layout of the page causing the
> problems you point out.
>
> if you keep reading the article they mention the following. "..while
> others are now afraid to introduce a simple HTML table even where it
> makes good sense,[3] some erring by the overuse of span and div
> elements, perhaps even with table-like rules applied to them using
> CSS.[4]"
>
>
> On Mon, Nov 1, 2010 at 3:23 PM, Muhammad Mohsen <m....@gmail.com>
> wrote:
> > It's a debate, whether to use tables or divs.
> >
> > Check this page: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tableless_web_design
> > <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tableless_web_design>Search for: "This
> causes
> > a number of problems"
> >
> > Also it's sometimes a client request that the web application
> > becomes table-less and only DIVs are to be used. As I can't find a firm
> > evidence that either is better or if there is even a difference, I can't
> > convince my client other wise.
> >
> >
> > On Mon, Nov 1, 2010 at 4:01 PM, Thiago H. de Paula Figueiredo <
> > thiagohp@gmail.com> wrote:
> >
> >> On Mon, 01 Nov 2010 11:54:17 -0200, Muhammad Mohsen <
> m.gelbana@gmail.com>
> >> wrote:
> >>
> >> Hello everyone,
> >>>
> >>
> >> Hi!
> >>
> >>
> >> Is there a way I can override the Grid component to use "div"s instead
> of
> >>> tables ?
> >>>
> >>
> >> I don't think so. Why do you want that?
> >>
> >>
> >> And to hide the header shown.
> >>>
> >>
> >> You can CSS to hide it from view or use DOM rewriting to remove it from
> the
> >> output.
> >>
> >> --
> >> Thiago H. de Paula Figueiredo
> >> Independent Java, Apache Tapestry 5 and Hibernate consultant, developer,
> >> and instructor
> >> Owner, Ars Machina Tecnologia da Informação Ltda.
> >> http://www.arsmachina.com.br
> >>
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> >>
> >>
> >
> >
> > --
> > *Regards,*
> > *Muhammad Gelbana
> > Java Software Programmer*
> >
>
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Re: [T5.2] Grid component manipulation
Posted by "Juan E. Maya" <ma...@gmail.com>.
Muhammad, as the article points out, tableless design is: "...a
philosophy eschewing the use of HTML tables for page layout control
purposes."
Tables have a very good purpose in HTML they should be used to display
tabular data (A grid is exactly that). The problem is that 10 years
ago tables were used to create the layout of the page causing the
problems you point out.
if you keep reading the article they mention the following. "..while
others are now afraid to introduce a simple HTML table even where it
makes good sense,[3] some erring by the overuse of span and div
elements, perhaps even with table-like rules applied to them using
CSS.[4]"
On Mon, Nov 1, 2010 at 3:23 PM, Muhammad Mohsen <m....@gmail.com> wrote:
> It's a debate, whether to use tables or divs.
>
> Check this page: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tableless_web_design
> <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tableless_web_design>Search for: "This causes
> a number of problems"
>
> Also it's sometimes a client request that the web application
> becomes table-less and only DIVs are to be used. As I can't find a firm
> evidence that either is better or if there is even a difference, I can't
> convince my client other wise.
>
>
> On Mon, Nov 1, 2010 at 4:01 PM, Thiago H. de Paula Figueiredo <
> thiagohp@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> On Mon, 01 Nov 2010 11:54:17 -0200, Muhammad Mohsen <m....@gmail.com>
>> wrote:
>>
>> Hello everyone,
>>>
>>
>> Hi!
>>
>>
>> Is there a way I can override the Grid component to use "div"s instead of
>>> tables ?
>>>
>>
>> I don't think so. Why do you want that?
>>
>>
>> And to hide the header shown.
>>>
>>
>> You can CSS to hide it from view or use DOM rewriting to remove it from the
>> output.
>>
>> --
>> Thiago H. de Paula Figueiredo
>> Independent Java, Apache Tapestry 5 and Hibernate consultant, developer,
>> and instructor
>> Owner, Ars Machina Tecnologia da Informação Ltda.
>> http://www.arsmachina.com.br
>>
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>>
>
>
> --
> *Regards,*
> *Muhammad Gelbana
> Java Software Programmer*
>
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Re: [T5.2] Grid component manipulation
Posted by Muhammad Mohsen <m....@gmail.com>.
It's a debate, whether to use tables or divs.
Check this page: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tableless_web_design
<http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tableless_web_design>Search for: "This causes
a number of problems"
Also it's sometimes a client request that the web application
becomes table-less and only DIVs are to be used. As I can't find a firm
evidence that either is better or if there is even a difference, I can't
convince my client other wise.
On Mon, Nov 1, 2010 at 4:01 PM, Thiago H. de Paula Figueiredo <
thiagohp@gmail.com> wrote:
> On Mon, 01 Nov 2010 11:54:17 -0200, Muhammad Mohsen <m....@gmail.com>
> wrote:
>
> Hello everyone,
>>
>
> Hi!
>
>
> Is there a way I can override the Grid component to use "div"s instead of
>> tables ?
>>
>
> I don't think so. Why do you want that?
>
>
> And to hide the header shown.
>>
>
> You can CSS to hide it from view or use DOM rewriting to remove it from the
> output.
>
> --
> Thiago H. de Paula Figueiredo
> Independent Java, Apache Tapestry 5 and Hibernate consultant, developer,
> and instructor
> Owner, Ars Machina Tecnologia da Informação Ltda.
> http://www.arsmachina.com.br
>
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>
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*Muhammad Gelbana
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Re: [T5.2] Grid component manipulation
Posted by "Thiago H. de Paula Figueiredo" <th...@gmail.com>.
On Mon, 01 Nov 2010 11:54:17 -0200, Muhammad Mohsen <m....@gmail.com>
wrote:
> Hello everyone,
Hi!
> Is there a way I can override the Grid component to use "div"s instead of
> tables ?
I don't think so. Why do you want that?
> And to hide the header shown.
You can CSS to hide it from view or use DOM rewriting to remove it from
the output.
--
Thiago H. de Paula Figueiredo
Independent Java, Apache Tapestry 5 and Hibernate consultant, developer,
and instructor
Owner, Ars Machina Tecnologia da Informação Ltda.
http://www.arsmachina.com.br
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