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Posted to dev@lenya.apache.org by Michael Wechner <mi...@apache.org> on 2003/07/02 00:44:02 UTC

Re: [RT] Using Lenya with Forrest for ASF sites

Guido Casper wrote:

>Michael Wechner wrote:
>  
>
>>Guido Casper wrote:
>>
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>>>I don't understand how you want to use Lenya for ASF sites,
>>>
>>>      
>>>
>>I think the goal would be to simplify the "updating" process
>>
>>http://cocoon.apache.org/lenya/community/website-update.html
>>
>>which basically means certain committers have the module
>>"project-site" within their
>>local CVS workspace. Checkin means in this sense "ready to publish"
>>and
>>as soon as
>>sombody is updating the corresponding module on daedalus one is
>>actually publishing the data.
>>    
>>
>
>Ah, so the wanted solution would not be Forrest --> Lenya but Lenya -->
>Forrest.
>So you would have to find an entry point into CVS's src/documentation/xdocs
>(wouldn't do a modifiable CVSSource here as well?
>

concerning the actual access to CVS it certainly makes sense, but I 
guess one wants more than that ;-)

btw, have you been able to make CVSSource by Sylvain work on Cocoon2.1? 
I tried, but it didn't work.

> I guess it would be easier
>with SVN/WebDAV :-).
>

I also see WebDAV as the future, but there are still many CVSs out there 
and I am quite sure they will stay for another while ...

>
><snip/>
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>>what do you mean by a traversable and modifiable WebDAVSource?
>>    
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>A WebDAVSource object that implements the ModifiableSource and
>TraversableSource interfaces, which have been moved to the
>org.apache.excalibur.source package now.
>
>SourceWritingTransformer already operates on ModifiableSource. Additionally
>you would need a DirectoryGenerator that operates on TraversableSource
>(similar to the SourceDescriptionGenerator in Cocoon's Slide block).
>

ok

>
>  
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>>>then all you would
>>>need is a DirectoryGenerator that operates on TraversableSource and
>>>the SourceWritingTransformer to add sophisticated (and generic)
>>>editing capabilities to the sitemap (cleanly separated from
>>>publishing concerns - that's what IMHO every site administrator
>>>wants).
>>>
>>>Versioning is for free if you enable auto-versioning (something that
>>>even Subversion aims to implement) on the staging WebDAV server.
>>>
>>>      
>>>
>>has SVN deltaV actually fully implemented yet?
>>    
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>
>Not yet, but they are heading to it (IIRC what Greg Stein said at OSCOM :-)
>
>  
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>>>But a
>>>WebDAVSource could even open more possibilities by implementing
>>>VersionableSource or InspectableSource (attaching arbitrary metadata
>>>via something like a SourcePropsWritingTransformer :-).
>>>
>>>      
>>>
>>I can see the power of a WebDAVSource. Do you think the WebDAV
>>implementation of Slide can be reused
>>for a WebDAVSource?
>>    
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>
>Basically there are now 3 implementations to choose from in Slide's CVS.
>-The JSR 170 proposal which sits on top of a WebDAV transport layer IIUC.
>-The JSR 147 proposal which Software AG currently pushes to implement.
>
does SoftwareAG want to implement (http://jcp.org/en/jsr/detail?id=147) 
into Slide?

>-The "old" Slide WebDAV client library which is an extension to commons-http
>and would be my first choice currently since it's the most stable.
>

you mean Side's WebDAV servlet?

Thanks

Michael

>
>Regards
>Guido
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JSR 147 (Re: [RT] Using Lenya with Forrest for ASF sites)

Posted by Andreas Kuckartz <A....@ping.de>.
> does SoftwareAG want to implement (http://jcp.org/en/jsr/detail?id=147)
> into Slide?

I have appended an announcement sent by Juergen Pill (Software AG) to the
slide-dev list in February 2003.

Andreas

Re: [RT] Using Lenya with Forrest for ASF sites

Posted by Guido Casper <gc...@s-und-n.de>.
Michael Wechner wrote:
<snip/>
> btw, have you been able to make CVSSource by Sylvain work on
> Cocoon2.1?

No, I am myself not particularly interested in CVSSource at this point.

<snip/>
>>> I can see the power of a WebDAVSource. Do you think the WebDAV
>>> implementation of Slide can be reused
>>> for a WebDAVSource?
>>>
>>>
>>
>> Basically there are now 3 implementations to choose from in Slide's
>> CVS.
>> -The JSR 170 proposal which sits on top of a WebDAV transport layer
>> IIUC.
>> -The JSR 147 proposal which Software AG currently pushes to
>> implement.
>>
> does SoftwareAG want to implement
> (http://jcp.org/en/jsr/detail?id=147)
> into Slide?
>
>> -The "old" Slide WebDAV client library which is an extension to
>> commons-http and would be my first choice currently since it's the
>> most stable.
>>
>
> you mean Side's WebDAV servlet?
>

No, I meant only the available implementations of WebDAV client side
libraries for a potential WebDAVSource implementation.

Guido
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