You are viewing a plain text version of this content. The canonical link for it is here.
Posted to users@jackrabbit.apache.org by Serge Huber <sh...@jahia.com> on 2011/04/29 10:14:55 UTC
CFP ApacheCon 2011 and Jackrabbit
Hi guys,
I would like to submit today a paper for the ApacheCon 2011 about our experience on integrating Jackrabbit as a central part of our product. The main idea to talk about the reasons of adopting Jackrabbit as an core part any web solution, the advantages/disadvantages, give some feedback about how things played out in our case from both from a technical and project management point of view, and of course talk a little about the future of Jackrabbit, also in regards to other technologies such as CMIS and the new WCM/WEM OASIS proposal. I would also take the opportunity to share our overall experience of working with Apache projects, as well as talking about how we see our continued involvement, the pitfalls we have experienced, and the lessons we learned.
The title of this presentation would be "Integrating Jackrabbit : why, how and what's next", and the abstract would be something like this : "Recently, a lot of controversy has arisen about the benefits of technologies such as the JCR. In this presentation we talk about why and how selecting Jackrabbit as a core technology makes sense, what other alternatives were tried before, how the experience has been, performance, what the future looks like and how it measures compared to alternatives".
It is my hope that this presentation will help people see all the value in Jackrabbit that it deserves, as I believe it is a project that has achieved a lot in a very short amount of time.
I welcome any feedback, experience and suggestions you might have, even if negative :) I also would love any references you can give me about Jackrabbit 3, as I must say I am a bit behind on the discussions about the new architecture.
Best regards,
Serge Huber.
Re: CFP ApacheCon 2011 and Jackrabbit
Posted by Serge Huber <sh...@jahia.com>.
On 29 avr. 2011, at 10:49, Michael Wechner wrote:
> I guess you mean articles like
>
> http://www.cmswire.com/cms/web-cms/is-jcr-dead-009676.php
>
> ?
Yes that was what I was referring to.
>
> Maybe the following blog post from PHP land
>
> http://pooteeweet.org/blog/1898
Thanks !
cheers,
Serge...
Re: CFP ApacheCon 2011 and Jackrabbit
Posted by Michael Wechner <mi...@wyona.com>.
On 4/29/11 10:35 AM, Serge Huber wrote:
> On 29 avr. 2011, at 10:31, Michael Wechner wrote:
>
>> On 4/29/11 10:14 AM, Serge Huber wrote:
>>> Hi guys,
>>>
>>> I would like to submit today a paper for the ApacheCon 2011 about our experience on integrating Jackrabbit as a central part of our product. The main idea to talk about the reasons of adopting Jackrabbit as an core part any web solution, the advantages/disadvantages, give some feedback about how things played out in our case from both from a technical and project management point of view, and of course talk a little about the future of Jackrabbit, also in regards to other technologies such as CMIS and the new WCM/WEM OASIS proposal. I would also take the opportunity to share our overall experience of working with Apache projects, as well as talking about how we see our continued involvement, the pitfalls we have experienced, and the lessons we learned.
>> sounds good
>>> The title of this presentation would be "Integrating Jackrabbit : why, how and what's next", and the abstract would be something like this : "Recently, a lot of controversy has arisen about the benefits of technologies such as the JCR.
>> what kind of controversy?
> I was thinking about the whole JCR is dead stuff that was going on last month.
I guess you mean articles like
http://www.cmswire.com/cms/web-cms/is-jcr-dead-009676.php
?
Maybe the following blog post from PHP land
http://pooteeweet.org/blog/1898
can help you.
Cheers
Michael
> Regards,
> Serge...
>
>
Re: CFP ApacheCon 2011 and Jackrabbit
Posted by Serge Huber <sh...@jahia.com>.
On 29 avr. 2011, at 11:13, Michael Wechner wrote:
> On 4/29/11 11:06 AM, David Buchmann wrote:
>
> maybe it helps Serge to know the reason(s) why you are not using CMIS?
Yes that would be an interesting thing to know !
Regards,
Serge....
Re: CFP ApacheCon 2011 and Jackrabbit
Posted by Serge Huber <sh...@jahia.com>.
Thanks a lot David !
cheers,
Serge...
On 29 avr. 2011, at 11:48, David Buchmann wrote:
> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE-----
> Hash: SHA1
>
>>> maybe it helps Serge to know the reason(s) why you are not using CMIS?
>
> sure :-)
>
> we are building a content management framework for symfony2, one of the
> hot-shots in php application frameworks.
>
> by content management framework, we mean something you can use to build
> a cms with. a cms is more than just document management:
> * mixed content
> * navigation trees
> * meta data
> * versioning and access control
>
> and jcr is an api that was easy to port to php, which exactly defines
> what is going to happen. /how/ it has to be done is up to the
> implementation. if we had implemented CMIS, which is a protocol, we
> would have required a complicated frontend-backend communication,
> whereas a simple phpcr implemenation can just be a wrapper around the
> database driver.
>
>
> - --
> Liip AG // Agile Web Development // T +41 26 422 25 11
> CH-1700 Fribourg // PGP 0xA581808B // www.liip.ch
> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE-----
> Version: GnuPG v1.4.10 (GNU/Linux)
> Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org/
>
> iEYEARECAAYFAk26iWkACgkQqBnXnqWBgIstdgCgiig/CglXhsNmreKCwWUpRNkf
> MC4AoKyrvFba+LEPsdixJRcNK9B14Zc5
> =GG3c
> -----END PGP SIGNATURE-----
Re: CFP ApacheCon 2011 and Jackrabbit
Posted by David Buchmann <da...@liip.ch>.
-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE-----
Hash: SHA1
>> maybe it helps Serge to know the reason(s) why you are not using CMIS?
sure :-)
we are building a content management framework for symfony2, one of the
hot-shots in php application frameworks.
by content management framework, we mean something you can use to build
a cms with. a cms is more than just document management:
* mixed content
* navigation trees
* meta data
* versioning and access control
and jcr is an api that was easy to port to php, which exactly defines
what is going to happen. /how/ it has to be done is up to the
implementation. if we had implemented CMIS, which is a protocol, we
would have required a complicated frontend-backend communication,
whereas a simple phpcr implemenation can just be a wrapper around the
database driver.
- --
Liip AG // Agile Web Development // T +41 26 422 25 11
CH-1700 Fribourg // PGP 0xA581808B // www.liip.ch
-----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE-----
Version: GnuPG v1.4.10 (GNU/Linux)
Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org/
iEYEARECAAYFAk26iWkACgkQqBnXnqWBgIstdgCgiig/CglXhsNmreKCwWUpRNkf
MC4AoKyrvFba+LEPsdixJRcNK9B14Zc5
=GG3c
-----END PGP SIGNATURE-----
Re: CFP ApacheCon 2011 and Jackrabbit
Posted by Michael Wechner <mi...@wyona.com>.
On 4/29/11 11:06 AM, David Buchmann wrote:
> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE-----
> Hash: SHA1
>
>> I was thinking about the whole JCR is dead stuff that was going on last month.
> oh, don't say jcr is going to die, that would be sad :-(
>
> we have quite some activity with a php port of jcr:
> http://blog.liip.ch/archive/2011/04/28/phpcr-workshop-in-zurich-8th-of-may-2011.html
maybe it helps Serge to know the reason(s) why you are not using CMIS?
Cheers
Michael
> https://github.com/phpcr/
> https://github.com/jackalope/jackalope/wiki
>
> cheers,
> david
> - --
> Liip AG // Agile Web Development // T +41 26 422 25 11
> CH-1700 Fribourg // PGP 0xA581808B // www.liip.ch
> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE-----
> Version: GnuPG v1.4.10 (GNU/Linux)
> Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org/
>
> iEYEARECAAYFAk26f4QACgkQqBnXnqWBgIvH4QCgxieqbaDDPC/g0viWOF1XoIsN
> yvsAnAr82ySWTSTnfg646Mf9C7/KXnuj
> =7dwE
> -----END PGP SIGNATURE-----
Re: CFP ApacheCon 2011 and Jackrabbit
Posted by Serge Huber <sh...@jahia.com>.
Don't worry David, I'm not saying that, quite the opposite :) Actually I have even blogged about the controversy here : http://sergehuber.jahia.com/jcr-is-not-dead-and-neither-is-cmis
But thanks for the PHP info, that will be very useful when talking about the community around Jackrabbit and the JCR !
Best regards,
Serge...
On 29 avr. 2011, at 11:06, David Buchmann wrote:
> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE-----
> Hash: SHA1
>
>> I was thinking about the whole JCR is dead stuff that was going on last month.
>
> oh, don't say jcr is going to die, that would be sad :-(
>
> we have quite some activity with a php port of jcr:
> http://blog.liip.ch/archive/2011/04/28/phpcr-workshop-in-zurich-8th-of-may-2011.html
>
> https://github.com/phpcr/
> https://github.com/jackalope/jackalope/wiki
>
> cheers,
> david
> - --
> Liip AG // Agile Web Development // T +41 26 422 25 11
> CH-1700 Fribourg // PGP 0xA581808B // www.liip.ch
> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE-----
> Version: GnuPG v1.4.10 (GNU/Linux)
> Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org/
>
> iEYEARECAAYFAk26f4QACgkQqBnXnqWBgIvH4QCgxieqbaDDPC/g0viWOF1XoIsN
> yvsAnAr82ySWTSTnfg646Mf9C7/KXnuj
> =7dwE
> -----END PGP SIGNATURE-----
Re: CFP ApacheCon 2011 and Jackrabbit
Posted by David Buchmann <da...@liip.ch>.
-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE-----
Hash: SHA1
> I was thinking about the whole JCR is dead stuff that was going on last month.
oh, don't say jcr is going to die, that would be sad :-(
we have quite some activity with a php port of jcr:
http://blog.liip.ch/archive/2011/04/28/phpcr-workshop-in-zurich-8th-of-may-2011.html
https://github.com/phpcr/
https://github.com/jackalope/jackalope/wiki
cheers,
david
- --
Liip AG // Agile Web Development // T +41 26 422 25 11
CH-1700 Fribourg // PGP 0xA581808B // www.liip.ch
-----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE-----
Version: GnuPG v1.4.10 (GNU/Linux)
Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org/
iEYEARECAAYFAk26f4QACgkQqBnXnqWBgIvH4QCgxieqbaDDPC/g0viWOF1XoIsN
yvsAnAr82ySWTSTnfg646Mf9C7/KXnuj
=7dwE
-----END PGP SIGNATURE-----
Re: CFP ApacheCon 2011 and Jackrabbit
Posted by Serge Huber <sh...@jahia.com>.
On 29 avr. 2011, at 10:31, Michael Wechner wrote:
> On 4/29/11 10:14 AM, Serge Huber wrote:
>> Hi guys,
>>
>> I would like to submit today a paper for the ApacheCon 2011 about our experience on integrating Jackrabbit as a central part of our product. The main idea to talk about the reasons of adopting Jackrabbit as an core part any web solution, the advantages/disadvantages, give some feedback about how things played out in our case from both from a technical and project management point of view, and of course talk a little about the future of Jackrabbit, also in regards to other technologies such as CMIS and the new WCM/WEM OASIS proposal. I would also take the opportunity to share our overall experience of working with Apache projects, as well as talking about how we see our continued involvement, the pitfalls we have experienced, and the lessons we learned.
>
> sounds good
>> The title of this presentation would be "Integrating Jackrabbit : why, how and what's next", and the abstract would be something like this : "Recently, a lot of controversy has arisen about the benefits of technologies such as the JCR.
>
> what kind of controversy?
I was thinking about the whole JCR is dead stuff that was going on last month.
Regards,
Serge...
Re: CFP ApacheCon 2011 and Jackrabbit
Posted by Michael Wechner <mi...@wyona.com>.
On 4/29/11 10:14 AM, Serge Huber wrote:
> Hi guys,
>
> I would like to submit today a paper for the ApacheCon 2011 about our experience on integrating Jackrabbit as a central part of our product. The main idea to talk about the reasons of adopting Jackrabbit as an core part any web solution, the advantages/disadvantages, give some feedback about how things played out in our case from both from a technical and project management point of view, and of course talk a little about the future of Jackrabbit, also in regards to other technologies such as CMIS and the new WCM/WEM OASIS proposal. I would also take the opportunity to share our overall experience of working with Apache projects, as well as talking about how we see our continued involvement, the pitfalls we have experienced, and the lessons we learned.
sounds good
> The title of this presentation would be "Integrating Jackrabbit : why, how and what's next", and the abstract would be something like this : "Recently, a lot of controversy has arisen about the benefits of technologies such as the JCR.
what kind of controversy?
Thanks
Michael
> In this presentation we talk about why and how selecting Jackrabbit as a core technology makes sense, what other alternatives were tried before, how the experience has been, performance, what the future looks like and how it measures compared to alternatives".
>
> It is my hope that this presentation will help people see all the value in Jackrabbit that it deserves, as I believe it is a project that has achieved a lot in a very short amount of time.
>
> I welcome any feedback, experience and suggestions you might have, even if negative :) I also would love any references you can give me about Jackrabbit 3, as I must say I am a bit behind on the discussions about the new architecture.
>
> Best regards,
> Serge Huber.
>