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Posted to dev@couchdb.apache.org by Jan Lehnardt <ja...@apache.org> on 2010/07/09 14:55:22 UTC
Re: Website redesign
Oooooold thread.
I finally managed to get to commit it. I'm sure there are rough edges,
please let me know :)
Maddiin, thanks again for you work! :)
Cheers
Jan
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On 15 Nov 2009, at 16:50, Noah Slater wrote:
>
> On 15 Nov 2009, at 15:30, maddiin wrote:
>
>> I've attached them in a previous mail, but you'll find them attached again with this mail as I already made a change to the wiki (added new var to wikiconfig_local.py: page_front_page = u'Apache CouchDB Project Wiki' / else the main heading of the wiki frontpage would be FrontPage).
>
> Aha! Sorry, and thanks.
>
> I'm going to be doing the 0.10.1 release soon, so I might use that as an excuse to look at this too.
>
Re: Website redesign
Posted by Volker Mische <vo...@gmail.com>.
I would not reset the padding of the <ul> on
http://couchdb.apache.org/downloads.html
Though it might be intended.
Cheers,
Volker
On 09.07.2010 14:55, Jan Lehnardt wrote:
> Oooooold thread.
>
> I finally managed to get to commit it. I'm sure there are rough edges,
> please let me know :)
>
> Maddiin, thanks again for you work! :)
>
> Cheers
> Jan
Re: Website redesign
Posted by Klaus Trainer <kl...@web.de>.
Just like to say that Jan's are also my nitpicks :)
After all, distinguishable links, neutral background color, and emphasis
with italics instead of bold are basically good style guidelines.
In addition, I'd just go without the lamp...
- Klaus
On Sat, 2010-07-10 at 11:26 +0200, Jan Lehnardt wrote:
> Hey,
>
> I like what I see. There's a few details, that I'd like to see improved
> (yay bikeshedding), but the general direction is pretty good :)
>
> My (personal, highly subjective) nitpics:
>
> - The start page illustration is too big. On a 13" MacBook, The "Relax"
> is already cut off. I'd look at resizing things so everything can move
> 50–100px (probably closer to 100px) up.
>
> - Links should have a contrast colour (red? :) to be distinguishable
> form regular text.
>
> - Emphasis should be done with italics, not bold.
>
> - I reallyreallyreally don't like the background colour :) — I'd go with
> a plain white background and have the lamp make a bright-yellow
> light field. Alternatively, a bright grey, potentially textured, so the
> lamp light could be full white. — Or we just get rid of the lamp :)
>
> Again, I generally like the direction and I think we can make something
> great out of it! :)
>
> Cheers
> Jan
Re: Website redesign
Posted by Jan Lehnardt <ja...@apache.org>.
Hey,
I like what I see. There's a few details, that I'd like to see improved
(yay bikeshedding), but the general direction is pretty good :)
My (personal, highly subjective) nitpics:
- The start page illustration is too big. On a 13" MacBook, The "Relax"
is already cut off. I'd look at resizing things so everything can move
50–100px (probably closer to 100px) up.
- Links should have a contrast colour (red? :) to be distinguishable
form regular text.
- Emphasis should be done with italics, not bold.
- I reallyreallyreally don't like the background colour :) — I'd go with
a plain white background and have the lamp make a bright-yellow
light field. Alternatively, a bright grey, potentially textured, so the
lamp light could be full white. — Or we just get rid of the lamp :)
Again, I generally like the direction and I think we can make something
great out of it! :)
Cheers
Jan
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On 10 Jul 2010, at 00:08, Klaus Trainer wrote:
> Anyway, it's good that the discussion has been brought up again ;)
>
>
> On Fri, 2010-07-09 at 23:52 +0200, Jan Lehnardt wrote:
>> Hi Klaus, all,
>>
>> I'm happy to help working on "the blue design", apparently this
>> completely went under my radar. I'll have a closer look tomorrow.
>> I'm sorry I went with this in a wild-west manner, but my impression
>> was that there wasn't any movement on the website front since
>> winter and wanted to get at least some change out. I clearly have
>> been wrong and I'll rectify this tomorrow :) Sorry again!
>>
>> Cheers
>> Jan
>
Re: Website redesign
Posted by J Chris Anderson <jc...@gmail.com>.
On Jul 9, 2010, at 3:08 PM, Klaus Trainer wrote:
> Anyway, it's good that the discussion has been brought up again ;)
>
fwiw I think I prefer the blue design also (but not so strongly as to be upset if we end up stuck on the current new design)
>
> On Fri, 2010-07-09 at 23:52 +0200, Jan Lehnardt wrote:
>> Hi Klaus, all,
>>
>> I'm happy to help working on "the blue design", apparently this
>> completely went under my radar. I'll have a closer look tomorrow.
>> I'm sorry I went with this in a wild-west manner, but my impression
>> was that there wasn't any movement on the website front since
>> winter and wanted to get at least some change out. I clearly have
>> been wrong and I'll rectify this tomorrow :) Sorry again!
>>
>> Cheers
>> Jan
>
Re: Website redesign
Posted by Klaus Trainer <kl...@web.de>.
Anyway, it's good that the discussion has been brought up again ;)
On Fri, 2010-07-09 at 23:52 +0200, Jan Lehnardt wrote:
> Hi Klaus, all,
>
> I'm happy to help working on "the blue design", apparently this
> completely went under my radar. I'll have a closer look tomorrow.
> I'm sorry I went with this in a wild-west manner, but my impression
> was that there wasn't any movement on the website front since
> winter and wanted to get at least some change out. I clearly have
> been wrong and I'll rectify this tomorrow :) Sorry again!
>
> Cheers
> Jan
Re: Website redesign
Posted by Jan Lehnardt <ja...@apache.org>.
Hi Klaus, all,
I'm happy to help working on "the blue design", apparently this
completely went under my radar. I'll have a closer look tomorrow.
I'm sorry I went with this in a wild-west manner, but my impression
was that there wasn't any movement on the website front since
winter and wanted to get at least some change out. I clearly have
been wrong and I'll rectify this tomorrow :) Sorry again!
Cheers
Jan
--
On 9 Jul 2010, at 21:38, Klaus Trainer wrote:
>> last I checked it was just the front page that had been done. I was
>> surprised to see the patch also, but I do like movement.
>
> I also like movement, but I don't think that this one has been to the
> better. Moreover, the project website might be too important to just
> switch its design without community consensus.
>
> Personally, I've liked the project website just because all important
> links were clearly arranged in the sidebar.
>
> In order to get all the important links, people now have to go to the
> wiki (over the "Documentation" link).
>
> When I'm looking for the dev mailing list, I need to follow the
> "Documentation" -link.
>
> If I'm looking for the repository, there is a website:
> http://couchdb.apache.org/community/code.html
> ...but where is a link to it? I couldn't find any, not even in the wiki!
>
> Furthermore, the fact that the red navigation bar takes the full screen
> width, but the header and the content body not, is quite irritation.
>
> In my eyes, nearly all those changes are for the worse and have to be
> fixed!
>
>
>> it'd be a lot of work to bring the other pages into the blue design (I
>> think)
>
> Regarding the blue design, my opinion is that the start page it's really
> stunning. I also like the sidebar with the revised naming and the more
> use-case-oriented focus.
>
> I'd like to propose a simple solution for the other pages (beside
> index.html) and therefore ported the downloads page to the blue design
> (http://github.com/KlausTrainer/couchdb_web). I've simply adopted the
> header and breadcrumbs from the "traditional" design.
>
> If enough people say that they'd prefer the blue design, I'd be willing
> to also port the rest (approx. 10 pages).
>
> I know that regarding the blue design, as it is, there is space for some
> fine tuning. Nonetheless, I think we should find out whether people
> (you!) generally like it or not before scrapping it.
>
>
> - Klaus
>
Re: Website redesign
Posted by Klaus Trainer <kl...@web.de>.
> last I checked it was just the front page that had been done. I was
> surprised to see the patch also, but I do like movement.
I also like movement, but I don't think that this one has been to the
better. Moreover, the project website might be too important to just
switch its design without community consensus.
Personally, I've liked the project website just because all important
links were clearly arranged in the sidebar.
In order to get all the important links, people now have to go to the
wiki (over the "Documentation" link).
When I'm looking for the dev mailing list, I need to follow the
"Documentation" -link.
If I'm looking for the repository, there is a website:
http://couchdb.apache.org/community/code.html
...but where is a link to it? I couldn't find any, not even in the wiki!
Furthermore, the fact that the red navigation bar takes the full screen
width, but the header and the content body not, is quite irritation.
In my eyes, nearly all those changes are for the worse and have to be
fixed!
> it'd be a lot of work to bring the other pages into the blue design (I
> think)
Regarding the blue design, my opinion is that the start page it's really
stunning. I also like the sidebar with the revised naming and the more
use-case-oriented focus.
I'd like to propose a simple solution for the other pages (beside
index.html) and therefore ported the downloads page to the blue design
(http://github.com/KlausTrainer/couchdb_web). I've simply adopted the
header and breadcrumbs from the "traditional" design.
If enough people say that they'd prefer the blue design, I'd be willing
to also port the rest (approx. 10 pages).
I know that regarding the blue design, as it is, there is space for some
fine tuning. Nonetheless, I think we should find out whether people
(you!) generally like it or not before scrapping it.
- Klaus
Re: Website redesign
Posted by J Chris Anderson <jc...@apache.org>.
On Jul 9, 2010, at 8:24 AM, Noah Slater wrote:
>
> On 9 Jul 2010, at 16:20, Jan Lehnardt wrote:
>
>> I looked at the thread and these was the last patch that I saw.
>>
>> user@ brought up the topic of a new design so I though I'd go and commit that one. I'm not married to anything here and happy to commit any other patches brought to my attention.
>
> Sure, and it's refreshing to see some actual movement here.
>
> However, my concern is that changing the brand of a website is a Big Deal. If the blue design is still a viable option, only needing some minor work before a patch can be ready, then it would have made more sense to wait for that. Switching out to a third design in the near future may confuse users and damage our brand.
>
> Does anyone know where we stand on the blue design?
>
last I checked it was just the front page that had been done. I was surprised to see the patch also, but I do like movement.
it'd be a lot of work to bring the other pages into the blue design (I think)
that said, I wrote some front page copy for it that I think is more reflective of our use-case than the technical copy that's been on the front page forever.
http://github.com/jchris/couchdb_web/blob/master/index.html#L76
> I can't remember what happened to it.
>
> Thanks,
>
> N
Re: Website redesign
Posted by Noah Slater <ns...@tumbolia.org>.
On 9 Jul 2010, at 16:20, Jan Lehnardt wrote:
> I looked at the thread and these was the last patch that I saw.
>
> user@ brought up the topic of a new design so I though I'd go and commit that one. I'm not married to anything here and happy to commit any other patches brought to my attention.
Sure, and it's refreshing to see some actual movement here.
However, my concern is that changing the brand of a website is a Big Deal. If the blue design is still a viable option, only needing some minor work before a patch can be ready, then it would have made more sense to wait for that. Switching out to a third design in the near future may confuse users and damage our brand.
Does anyone know where we stand on the blue design?
I can't remember what happened to it.
Thanks,
N
Re: Website redesign
Posted by Jan Lehnardt <ja...@apache.org>.
I looked at the thread and these was the last patch that I saw.
user@ brought up the topic of a new design so I though I'd go and commit that one. I'm not married to anything here and happy to commit any other patches brought to my attention.
Cheers
Jan
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On 9 Jul 2010, at 17:11, Noah Slater wrote:
> Jan,
>
> We had another design brewing, with a blue background. I thought we were working on that. I'm quite surprised to see this old design rolled out without a thread to discuss which one we wanted to go with, and if we were happy with rolling them out. I'm a little confused...
>
> On 9 Jul 2010, at 13:55, Jan Lehnardt wrote:
>
>> Oooooold thread.
>>
>> I finally managed to get to commit it. I'm sure there are rough edges,
>> please let me know :)
>>
>> Maddiin, thanks again for you work! :)
>>
>> Cheers
>> Jan
>> --
>>
>> On 15 Nov 2009, at 16:50, Noah Slater wrote:
>>
>>>
>>> On 15 Nov 2009, at 15:30, maddiin wrote:
>>>
>>>> I've attached them in a previous mail, but you'll find them attached again with this mail as I already made a change to the wiki (added new var to wikiconfig_local.py: page_front_page = u'Apache CouchDB Project Wiki' / else the main heading of the wiki frontpage would be FrontPage).
>>>
>>> Aha! Sorry, and thanks.
>>>
>>> I'm going to be doing the 0.10.1 release soon, so I might use that as an excuse to look at this too.
>>>
>>
>
Re: Website redesign
Posted by Noah Slater <ns...@tumbolia.org>.
Jan,
We had another design brewing, with a blue background. I thought we were working on that. I'm quite surprised to see this old design rolled out without a thread to discuss which one we wanted to go with, and if we were happy with rolling them out. I'm a little confused...
On 9 Jul 2010, at 13:55, Jan Lehnardt wrote:
> Oooooold thread.
>
> I finally managed to get to commit it. I'm sure there are rough edges,
> please let me know :)
>
> Maddiin, thanks again for you work! :)
>
> Cheers
> Jan
> --
>
> On 15 Nov 2009, at 16:50, Noah Slater wrote:
>
>>
>> On 15 Nov 2009, at 15:30, maddiin wrote:
>>
>>> I've attached them in a previous mail, but you'll find them attached again with this mail as I already made a change to the wiki (added new var to wikiconfig_local.py: page_front_page = u'Apache CouchDB Project Wiki' / else the main heading of the wiki frontpage would be FrontPage).
>>
>> Aha! Sorry, and thanks.
>>
>> I'm going to be doing the 0.10.1 release soon, so I might use that as an excuse to look at this too.
>>
>
Re: Website redesign
Posted by David Coallier <da...@php.net>.
That's what I'm talking about :)
On 9 July 2010 13:55, Jan Lehnardt <ja...@apache.org> wrote:
> Oooooold thread.
>
> I finally managed to get to commit it. I'm sure there are rough edges,
> please let me know :)
>
> Maddiin, thanks again for you work! :)
>
> Cheers
> Jan
> --
>
> On 15 Nov 2009, at 16:50, Noah Slater wrote:
>
>>
>> On 15 Nov 2009, at 15:30, maddiin wrote:
>>
>>> I've attached them in a previous mail, but you'll find them attached again with this mail as I already made a change to the wiki (added new var to wikiconfig_local.py: page_front_page = u'Apache CouchDB Project Wiki' / else the main heading of the wiki frontpage would be FrontPage).
>>
>> Aha! Sorry, and thanks.
>>
>> I'm going to be doing the 0.10.1 release soon, so I might use that as an excuse to look at this too.
>>
>
>
--
David Coallier