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Posted to general@incubator.apache.org by Reza <re...@yahoo.com.INVALID> on 2014/11/05 16:27:33 UTC
[VOTE] Graduation of Apache DeviceMap from the incubator
So another graduation vote thread..! The Apache DeviceMap project would like to graduate from the incubator. The project has made a lot of progress in the past 6 months and all project members have voted positively for this measure. We got 4 +1 votes from PMC members, 2 +1 votes from IPMC members (Bertrand and Kevan), and no 0 or -1 votes [0].
This is the incubator vote thread to decide if the Apache DeviceMap project graduates from the incubator. The resolution is at the bottom of this email and attached.
[ ] +1 Graduate Apache DeviceMap from the Incubator.
[ ] +0 Don't care.
[ ] -1 Don't graduate Apache DeviceMap from the Incubator because ...
[0] http://mail-archives.apache.org/mod_mbox/incubator-devicemap-dev/201411.mbox/%3C394358326.437830.1415058677229.JavaMail.yahoo%40jws106134.mail.bf1.yahoo.com%3E
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Establish the Apache DeviceMap Project
WHEREAS, the Board of Directors deems it to be in the best interests of the Foundation and consistent with the Foundation's purpose to establish a Project Management Committee charged with the creation and maintenance of open-source software, for distribution at no charge to the public, related to the maintenance and expansion of a data repository related to devices, their operating systems and web browsers, and an API for classifying said features.
NOW, THEREFORE, BE IT RESOLVED, that a Project Management Committee (PMC), to be known as the "Apache DeviceMap Project", be and hereby is established pursuant to Bylaws of the Foundation; and be it further
RESOLVED, that the Apache DeviceMap Project be and hereby is responsible for the maintenance and expansion of a data repository related to devices, their operating systems and web browsers, and an API for classifying said features; and be it further
RESOLVED, that the office of "Vice President, Apache DeviceMap" be and hereby is created, the person holding such office to serve at the direction of the Board of Directors as the chair of the Apache DeviceMap Project, and to have primary responsibility for management of the projects within the scope of responsibility of the Apache DeviceMap Project; and be it further
RESOLVED, that the persons listed immediately below be and hereby are appointed to serve as the initial members of the Apache DeviceMapProject:
* Reza Naghibi <re...@apache.org>
* Werner Keil <wk...@apache.org>
* Eberhard Speer Jr. <es...@apache.org>
* Radu Cotescu <ra...@apache.org>
* Bertrand Delacretaz <bd...@apache.org>
NOW, THEREFORE, BE IT FURTHER RESOLVED, that Reza Naghibi be appointed to the office of Vice President, Apache DeviceMap, to serve in accordance with and subject to the direction of the Board of Directors and the Bylaws of the Foundation until death, resignation, retirement, removal or disqualification, or until a successor is appointed; and be it further
RESOLVED, that the initial Apache DeviceMap PMC be and hereby is tasked with the creation of a set of bylaws intended to encourage open development and increased participation in the Apache DeviceMap Project; and be it further
RESOLVED, that the Apache DeviceMap Project be and hereby is tasked with the migration and rationalization of the Apache Incubator DeviceMap podling; and be it further
RESOLVED, that all responsibilities pertaining to the Apache Incubator DeviceMap podling encumbered upon the Apache Incubator Project are hereafter discharged.
Re: [VOTE] Graduation of Apache DeviceMap from the incubator
Posted by Andrew Savory <as...@apache.org>.
Hi,
Just to answer one of your questions:
On 5 November 2014 18:31, Reza <re...@yahoo.com.invalid> wrote:
> I do not know why these people decided not to continue their participation
For me at least I've been happy to watch from the side as the community has
gone through an iteration over the last year. I didn't think I could add
value so I was happy leaving you in the hands of lazy consensus. Trust me,
I'd have been vocal if I was concerned ;-)
Thanks,
Andrew.
--
asavory@apache.org / contact@andrewsavory.com
http://www.andrewsavory.com/
Re: [VOTE] Graduation of Apache DeviceMap from the incubator
Posted by Reza <re...@yahoo.com.INVALID>.
>> Why do you think graduating will give growth or even more visibility ?
No specific reason other than its just another accomplishment for the project. Active projects tend to garner more attention than inactive ones. But im just speculating, so that statement is far from fact.
Reza
From: jan i <ja...@apache.org>
To: general@incubator.apache.org; Reza <re...@yahoo.com>
Sent: Thursday, November 6, 2014 4:12 AM
Subject: Re: [VOTE] Graduation of Apache DeviceMap from the incubator
On 6 November 2014 03:31, Reza <re...@yahoo.com.invalid> wrote:
Of course, discussion is more than welcomed.
>> Seems a little weird to have such a small team to begin with. How have you grown?
This is a concern of the project. The PMC is indeed small. More than half of the original group has not participated in the last year and have not voiced that they would like to continue on with the project, leaving us with the group listed in the resolution. I do not know why these people decided not to continue their participation, but I can assure you that the remaining members are fully committed to continuing on with the project and we hope to recruit future members. Graduating will be a big accomplishment for this project and may give this project more visibility and growth.
Also, on another note, I did not give the vote a deadline. If this list wishes to continue a vote, it will be open for 72 hours from my original email. I will close the vote Nov 8th at noon EST.
thanks,Reza
I for sure understand and share the concern. One of the reasons for a project to show it can grow a community.
The project seems to have a fine technical base, but the lack of community growth is a major concern for me. Would it not be wise to postpone the graduation, and get the community to grow first ?
Why do you think graduating will give growth or even more visibility ?
rgds
jan i.
From: John D. Ament <jo...@gmail.com>
To: "general@incubator.apache.org" <ge...@incubator.apache.org>; Reza <re...@yahoo.com>
Sent: Wednesday, November 5, 2014 7:37 PM
Subject: Re: [VOTE] Graduation of Apache DeviceMap from the incubator
Hi,
Should we perhaps discuss it first?
Seems a little weird to have such a small team to begin with. How have you
grown?
John
On Wed, Nov 5, 2014 at 10:27 AM, Reza <re...@yahoo.com.invalid>
wrote:
> So another graduation vote thread..! The Apache DeviceMap project would
> like to graduate from the incubator. The project has made a lot of progress
> in the past 6 months and all project members have voted positively for this
> measure. We got 4 +1 votes from PMC members, 2 +1 votes from IPMC members
> (Bertrand and Kevan), and no 0 or -1 votes [0].
>
>
> This is the incubator vote thread to decide if the Apache DeviceMap
> project graduates from the incubator. The resolution is at the bottom of
> this email and attached.
>
>
> [ ] +1 Graduate Apache DeviceMap from the Incubator.
>
> [ ] +0 Don't care.
>
> [ ] -1 Don't graduate Apache DeviceMap from the Incubator because ...
>
>
> [0]
> http://mail-archives.apache.org/mod_mbox/incubator-devicemap-dev/201411.mbox/%3C394358326.437830.1415058677229.JavaMail.yahoo%40jws106134.mail.bf1.yahoo.com%3E
>
>
> ---
>
>
> Establish the Apache DeviceMap Project
>
>
> WHEREAS, the Board of Directors deems it to be in the best interests of
> the Foundation and consistent with the Foundation's purpose to establish a
> Project Management Committee charged with the creation and maintenance of
> open-source software, for distribution at no charge to the public, related
> to the maintenance and expansion of a data repository related to devices,
> their operating systems and web browsers, and an API for classifying said
> features.
>
>
> NOW, THEREFORE, BE IT RESOLVED, that a Project Management Committee (PMC),
> to be known as the "Apache DeviceMap Project", be and hereby is established
> pursuant to Bylaws of the Foundation; and be it further
>
>
> RESOLVED, that the Apache DeviceMap Project be and hereby is responsible
> for the maintenance and expansion of a data repository related to devices,
> their operating systems and web browsers, and an API for classifying said
> features; and be it further
>
>
> RESOLVED, that the office of "Vice President, Apache DeviceMap" be and
> hereby is created, the person holding such office to serve at the direction
> of the Board of Directors as the chair of the Apache DeviceMap Project, and
> to have primary responsibility for management of the projects within the
> scope of responsibility of the Apache DeviceMap Project; and be it further
>
>
> RESOLVED, that the persons listed immediately below be and hereby are
> appointed to serve as the initial members of the Apache DeviceMapProject:
>
>
> * Reza Naghibi <re...@apache.org>
>
> * Werner Keil <wk...@apache.org>
>
> * Eberhard Speer Jr. <es...@apache.org>
>
> * Radu Cotescu <ra...@apache.org>
>
> * Bertrand Delacretaz <bd...@apache.org>
>
>
> NOW, THEREFORE, BE IT FURTHER RESOLVED, that Reza Naghibi be appointed to
> the office of Vice President, Apache DeviceMap, to serve in accordance with
> and subject to the direction of the Board of Directors and the Bylaws of
> the Foundation until death, resignation, retirement, removal or
> disqualification, or until a successor is appointed; and be it further
>
>
> RESOLVED, that the initial Apache DeviceMap PMC be and hereby is tasked
> with the creation of a set of bylaws intended to encourage open development
> and increased participation in the Apache DeviceMap Project; and be it
> further
>
>
> RESOLVED, that the Apache DeviceMap Project be and hereby is tasked with
> the migration and rationalization of the Apache Incubator DeviceMap
> podling; and be it further
>
>
> RESOLVED, that all responsibilities pertaining to the Apache Incubator
> DeviceMap podling encumbered upon the Apache Incubator Project are
> hereafter discharged.
>
>
>
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Re: [RESULT] [VOTE] Graduation of Apache DeviceMap from the incubator
Posted by Bertrand Delacretaz <bd...@apache.org>.
Hi,
On Mon, Nov 10, 2014 at 10:17 PM, Reza <re...@yahoo.com.invalid> wrote:
> ...let me know if (and when) we can begin, assuming we get approved...
Sure, I'll be at this November 19th meeting and will relay the
information as soon as it's public!
-Bertrand
Re: [RESULT] [VOTE] Graduation of Apache DeviceMap from the
incubator
Posted by Reza <re...@yahoo.com.INVALID>.
Great! So the post graduation process is pretty lengthy. So let me know if (and when) we can begin, assuming we get approved.
http://incubator.apache.org/guides/graduation.html#new-project-hand-over
From: Bertrand Delacretaz <bd...@apache.org>
To: "devicemap-dev@incubator.apache.org" <de...@incubator.apache.org>; Reza <re...@yahoo.com>
Sent: Monday, November 10, 2014 3:15 PM
Subject: Re: [RESULT] [VOTE] Graduation of Apache DeviceMap from the incubator
On Mon, Nov 10, 2014 at 4:00 PM, Reza <re...@yahoo.com.invalid> wrote:
> ...Thats great news! You mentioned you will put this on next months board
> agenda? So thats December?...
I meant the next board meeting's agenda, that's next week, November 19th
-Bertrand
Re: [RESULT] [VOTE] Graduation of Apache DeviceMap from the incubator
Posted by Bertrand Delacretaz <bd...@apache.org>.
On Mon, Nov 10, 2014 at 4:00 PM, Reza <re...@yahoo.com.invalid> wrote:
> ...Thats great news! You mentioned you will put this on next months board
> agenda? So thats December?...
I meant the next board meeting's agenda, that's next week, November 19th
-Bertrand
Re: [RESULT] [VOTE] Graduation of Apache DeviceMap from the
incubator
Posted by Reza <re...@yahoo.com.INVALID>.
Thats great news! You mentioned you will put this on next months board agenda? So thats December?
From: Bertrand Delacretaz <bd...@apache.org>
To: "devicemap-dev@incubator.apache.org" <de...@incubator.apache.org>
Sent: Monday, November 10, 2014 3:51 AM
Subject: Re: [RESULT] [VOTE] Graduation of Apache DeviceMap from the incubator
Hi,
On Sun, Nov 9, 2014 at 6:13 PM, Reza <re...@yahoo.com.invalid> wrote:
> So is this enough to pass? The graduation docs didnt specifically say what is required out of this vote.
Yes, graduation is a majority vote in the Incubator PMC, so four +1s
and no other votes over a 72-hour period are fine.
-Bertrand
>
> From: Reza <re...@yahoo.com.INVALID>
> To: "general@incubator.apache.org" <ge...@incubator.apache.org>
> Cc: Apache Device Map DEV <de...@incubator.apache.org>
> Sent: Sunday, November 9, 2014 11:41 AM
> Subject: [RESULT] [VOTE] Graduation of Apache DeviceMap from the incubator
>
> So this vote closes with 4 binding +1:
>
> Bertrand D., Kevan M., Mark S., and Dave F.
>
> Jan I. did express he favored this, but did not explicitely give a +1.
>
> Thank you to everyone that voted and participated in this thread...!
>
> Reza
>
> From: Dave Fisher <wa...@apache.org>
>
>
> To: "general@incubator.apache.org" <ge...@incubator.apache.org>
> Cc: "general@incubator.apache.org" <ge...@incubator.apache.org>; jan i <ja...@apache.org>; Reza <re...@yahoo.com>
> Sent: Saturday, November 8, 2014 3:52 PM
> Subject: Re: [VOTE] Graduation of Apache DeviceMap from the incubator
>
> Decloaking and voting +1.
>
> This project is similar in size to Etch.
>
> Regards,
> Dave
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
>
>
>> On Nov 8, 2014, at 3:02 PM, Mark Struberg <st...@yahoo.de> wrote:
>>
>> I've checked logs, looked at mail archives and followed the discussion.
>>
>> The community is indeed small, but it is ALIVE!
>> I personally think that DeviceMap is pretty mature and thus it naturally does not attract so many new committers. But what it does it seems to do fine. We've seen this in other projects with similar maturity level as well.
>>
>>
>> So I'm voting
>>
>>
>> +1 (binding)
>>
>>
>> LieGrue and good luck!
>> strub
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>> On Thursday, 6 November 2014, 16:08, Reza <re...@yahoo.com.INVALID> wrote:
>>>>>> Why do you think graduating will give growth or even more visibility ?
>>>
>>> No specific reason other than its just another accomplishment for the project.
>>> Active projects tend to garner more attention than inactive ones. But im just
>>> speculating, so that statement is far from fact.
>>>
>>> Reza
>>> From: jan i <ja...@apache.org>
>>>
>>> To: general@incubator.apache.org; Reza <re...@yahoo.com>
>>> Sent: Thursday, November 6, 2014 4:12 AM
>>> Subject: Re: [VOTE] Graduation of Apache DeviceMap from the incubator
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On 6 November 2014 03:31, Reza <re...@yahoo.com.invalid> wrote:
>>>
>>> Of course, discussion is more than welcomed.
>>>>> Seems a little weird to have such a small team to begin with. How have
>>> you grown?
>>> This is a concern of the project. The PMC is indeed small. More than half of the
>
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Re: [RESULT] [VOTE] Graduation of Apache DeviceMap from the incubator
Posted by Bertrand Delacretaz <bd...@apache.org>.
Hi,
On Sun, Nov 9, 2014 at 6:13 PM, Reza <re...@yahoo.com.invalid> wrote:
> So is this enough to pass? The graduation docs didnt specifically say what is required out of this vote.
Yes, graduation is a majority vote in the Incubator PMC, so four +1s
and no other votes over a 72-hour period are fine.
-Bertrand
>
> From: Reza <re...@yahoo.com.INVALID>
> To: "general@incubator.apache.org" <ge...@incubator.apache.org>
> Cc: Apache Device Map DEV <de...@incubator.apache.org>
> Sent: Sunday, November 9, 2014 11:41 AM
> Subject: [RESULT] [VOTE] Graduation of Apache DeviceMap from the incubator
>
> So this vote closes with 4 binding +1:
>
> Bertrand D., Kevan M., Mark S., and Dave F.
>
> Jan I. did express he favored this, but did not explicitely give a +1.
>
> Thank you to everyone that voted and participated in this thread...!
>
> Reza
>
> From: Dave Fisher <wa...@apache.org>
>
>
> To: "general@incubator.apache.org" <ge...@incubator.apache.org>
> Cc: "general@incubator.apache.org" <ge...@incubator.apache.org>; jan i <ja...@apache.org>; Reza <re...@yahoo.com>
> Sent: Saturday, November 8, 2014 3:52 PM
> Subject: Re: [VOTE] Graduation of Apache DeviceMap from the incubator
>
> Decloaking and voting +1.
>
> This project is similar in size to Etch.
>
> Regards,
> Dave
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
>
>
>> On Nov 8, 2014, at 3:02 PM, Mark Struberg <st...@yahoo.de> wrote:
>>
>> I've checked logs, looked at mail archives and followed the discussion.
>>
>> The community is indeed small, but it is ALIVE!
>> I personally think that DeviceMap is pretty mature and thus it naturally does not attract so many new committers. But what it does it seems to do fine. We've seen this in other projects with similar maturity level as well.
>>
>>
>> So I'm voting
>>
>>
>> +1 (binding)
>>
>>
>> LieGrue and good luck!
>> strub
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>> On Thursday, 6 November 2014, 16:08, Reza <re...@yahoo.com.INVALID> wrote:
>>>>>> Why do you think graduating will give growth or even more visibility ?
>>>
>>> No specific reason other than its just another accomplishment for the project.
>>> Active projects tend to garner more attention than inactive ones. But im just
>>> speculating, so that statement is far from fact.
>>>
>>> Reza
>>> From: jan i <ja...@apache.org>
>>>
>>> To: general@incubator.apache.org; Reza <re...@yahoo.com>
>>> Sent: Thursday, November 6, 2014 4:12 AM
>>> Subject: Re: [VOTE] Graduation of Apache DeviceMap from the incubator
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On 6 November 2014 03:31, Reza <re...@yahoo.com.invalid> wrote:
>>>
>>> Of course, discussion is more than welcomed.
>>>>> Seems a little weird to have such a small team to begin with. How have
>>> you grown?
>>> This is a concern of the project. The PMC is indeed small. More than half of the
>
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Re: [RESULT] [VOTE] Graduation of Apache DeviceMap from the
incubator
Posted by Reza <re...@yahoo.com.INVALID>.
So is this enough to pass? The graduation docs didnt specifically say what is required out of this vote.
From: Reza <re...@yahoo.com.INVALID>
To: "general@incubator.apache.org" <ge...@incubator.apache.org>
Cc: Apache Device Map DEV <de...@incubator.apache.org>
Sent: Sunday, November 9, 2014 11:41 AM
Subject: [RESULT] [VOTE] Graduation of Apache DeviceMap from the incubator
So this vote closes with 4 binding +1:
Bertrand D., Kevan M., Mark S., and Dave F.
Jan I. did express he favored this, but did not explicitely give a +1.
Thank you to everyone that voted and participated in this thread...!
Reza
From: Dave Fisher <wa...@apache.org>
To: "general@incubator.apache.org" <ge...@incubator.apache.org>
Cc: "general@incubator.apache.org" <ge...@incubator.apache.org>; jan i <ja...@apache.org>; Reza <re...@yahoo.com>
Sent: Saturday, November 8, 2014 3:52 PM
Subject: Re: [VOTE] Graduation of Apache DeviceMap from the incubator
Decloaking and voting +1.
This project is similar in size to Etch.
Regards,
Dave
Sent from my iPhone
> On Nov 8, 2014, at 3:02 PM, Mark Struberg <st...@yahoo.de> wrote:
>
> I've checked logs, looked at mail archives and followed the discussion.
>
> The community is indeed small, but it is ALIVE!
> I personally think that DeviceMap is pretty mature and thus it naturally does not attract so many new committers. But what it does it seems to do fine. We've seen this in other projects with similar maturity level as well.
>
>
> So I'm voting
>
>
> +1 (binding)
>
>
> LieGrue and good luck!
> strub
>
>
>
>
>> On Thursday, 6 November 2014, 16:08, Reza <re...@yahoo.com.INVALID> wrote:
>>>>> Why do you think graduating will give growth or even more visibility ?
>>
>> No specific reason other than its just another accomplishment for the project.
>> Active projects tend to garner more attention than inactive ones. But im just
>> speculating, so that statement is far from fact.
>>
>> Reza
>> From: jan i <ja...@apache.org>
>>
>> To: general@incubator.apache.org; Reza <re...@yahoo.com>
>> Sent: Thursday, November 6, 2014 4:12 AM
>> Subject: Re: [VOTE] Graduation of Apache DeviceMap from the incubator
>>
>>
>>
>> On 6 November 2014 03:31, Reza <re...@yahoo.com.invalid> wrote:
>>
>> Of course, discussion is more than welcomed.
>>>> Seems a little weird to have such a small team to begin with. How have
>> you grown?
>> This is a concern of the project. The PMC is indeed small. More than half of the
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Re: [RESULT] [VOTE] Graduation of Apache DeviceMap from the incubator
Posted by jan i <ja...@apache.org>.
On 9 November 2014 17:41, Reza <re...@yahoo.com.invalid> wrote:
> So this vote closes with 4 binding +1:
>
> Bertrand D., Kevan M., Mark S., and Dave F.
>
> Jan I. did express he favored this, but did not explicitely give a +1.
>
ups my fault (or my keyboards), I meant to give a +1.
rgds
jan I
>
> Thank you to everyone that voted and participated in this thread...!
>
> Reza
>
> From: Dave Fisher <wa...@apache.org>
> To: "general@incubator.apache.org" <ge...@incubator.apache.org>
> Cc: "general@incubator.apache.org" <ge...@incubator.apache.org>; jan i <
> jani@apache.org>; Reza <re...@yahoo.com>
> Sent: Saturday, November 8, 2014 3:52 PM
> Subject: Re: [VOTE] Graduation of Apache DeviceMap from the incubator
>
> Decloaking and voting +1.
>
> This project is similar in size to Etch.
>
> Regards,
> Dave
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
>
>
> > On Nov 8, 2014, at 3:02 PM, Mark Struberg <st...@yahoo.de> wrote:
> >
> > I've checked logs, looked at mail archives and followed the discussion.
> >
> > The community is indeed small, but it is ALIVE!
> > I personally think that DeviceMap is pretty mature and thus it naturally
> does not attract so many new committers. But what it does it seems to do
> fine. We've seen this in other projects with similar maturity level as well.
> >
> >
> > So I'm voting
> >
> >
> > +1 (binding)
> >
> >
> > LieGrue and good luck!
> > strub
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >> On Thursday, 6 November 2014, 16:08, Reza
> <re...@yahoo.com.INVALID> wrote:
> >>>>> Why do you think graduating will give growth or even more visibility
> ?
> >>
> >> No specific reason other than its just another accomplishment for the
> project.
> >> Active projects tend to garner more attention than inactive ones. But
> im just
> >> speculating, so that statement is far from fact.
> >>
> >> Reza
> >> From: jan i <ja...@apache.org>
> >>
> >> To: general@incubator.apache.org; Reza <re...@yahoo.com>
> >> Sent: Thursday, November 6, 2014 4:12 AM
> >> Subject: Re: [VOTE] Graduation of Apache DeviceMap from the incubator
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> On 6 November 2014 03:31, Reza <re...@yahoo.com.invalid> wrote:
> >>
> >> Of course, discussion is more than welcomed.
> >>>> Seems a little weird to have such a small team to begin with. How
> have
> >> you grown?
> >> This is a concern of the project. The PMC is indeed small. More than
> half of the
>
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Re: [RESULT] [VOTE] Graduation of Apache DeviceMap from the incubator
Posted by Bertrand Delacretaz <bd...@apache.org>.
Hi,
On Sun, Nov 9, 2014 at 5:41 PM, Reza <re...@yahoo.com.invalid> wrote:
> So this vote closes with 4 binding +1:
> Bertrand D., Kevan M., Mark S., and Dave F....
Thanks! I'll add the resolution to next month's board agenda.
-Bertrand
Re: [RESULT] [VOTE] Graduation of Apache DeviceMap from the incubator
Posted by jan i <ja...@apache.org>.
On 9 November 2014 17:41, Reza <re...@yahoo.com.invalid> wrote:
> So this vote closes with 4 binding +1:
>
> Bertrand D., Kevan M., Mark S., and Dave F.
>
> Jan I. did express he favored this, but did not explicitely give a +1.
>
ups my fault (or my keyboards), I meant to give a +1.
rgds
jan I
>
> Thank you to everyone that voted and participated in this thread...!
>
> Reza
>
> From: Dave Fisher <wa...@apache.org>
> To: "general@incubator.apache.org" <ge...@incubator.apache.org>
> Cc: "general@incubator.apache.org" <ge...@incubator.apache.org>; jan i <
> jani@apache.org>; Reza <re...@yahoo.com>
> Sent: Saturday, November 8, 2014 3:52 PM
> Subject: Re: [VOTE] Graduation of Apache DeviceMap from the incubator
>
> Decloaking and voting +1.
>
> This project is similar in size to Etch.
>
> Regards,
> Dave
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
>
>
> > On Nov 8, 2014, at 3:02 PM, Mark Struberg <st...@yahoo.de> wrote:
> >
> > I've checked logs, looked at mail archives and followed the discussion.
> >
> > The community is indeed small, but it is ALIVE!
> > I personally think that DeviceMap is pretty mature and thus it naturally
> does not attract so many new committers. But what it does it seems to do
> fine. We've seen this in other projects with similar maturity level as well.
> >
> >
> > So I'm voting
> >
> >
> > +1 (binding)
> >
> >
> > LieGrue and good luck!
> > strub
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >> On Thursday, 6 November 2014, 16:08, Reza
> <re...@yahoo.com.INVALID> wrote:
> >>>>> Why do you think graduating will give growth or even more visibility
> ?
> >>
> >> No specific reason other than its just another accomplishment for the
> project.
> >> Active projects tend to garner more attention than inactive ones. But
> im just
> >> speculating, so that statement is far from fact.
> >>
> >> Reza
> >> From: jan i <ja...@apache.org>
> >>
> >> To: general@incubator.apache.org; Reza <re...@yahoo.com>
> >> Sent: Thursday, November 6, 2014 4:12 AM
> >> Subject: Re: [VOTE] Graduation of Apache DeviceMap from the incubator
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> On 6 November 2014 03:31, Reza <re...@yahoo.com.invalid> wrote:
> >>
> >> Of course, discussion is more than welcomed.
> >>>> Seems a little weird to have such a small team to begin with. How
> have
> >> you grown?
> >> This is a concern of the project. The PMC is indeed small. More than
> half of the
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Re: [RESULT] [VOTE] Graduation of Apache DeviceMap from the incubator
Posted by Bertrand Delacretaz <bd...@apache.org>.
Hi,
On Sun, Nov 9, 2014 at 5:41 PM, Reza <re...@yahoo.com.invalid> wrote:
> So this vote closes with 4 binding +1:
> Bertrand D., Kevan M., Mark S., and Dave F....
Thanks! I'll add the resolution to next month's board agenda.
-Bertrand
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[RESULT] [VOTE] Graduation of Apache DeviceMap from the incubator
Posted by Reza <re...@yahoo.com.INVALID>.
So this vote closes with 4 binding +1:
Bertrand D., Kevan M., Mark S., and Dave F.
Jan I. did express he favored this, but did not explicitely give a +1.
Thank you to everyone that voted and participated in this thread...!
Reza
From: Dave Fisher <wa...@apache.org>
To: "general@incubator.apache.org" <ge...@incubator.apache.org>
Cc: "general@incubator.apache.org" <ge...@incubator.apache.org>; jan i <ja...@apache.org>; Reza <re...@yahoo.com>
Sent: Saturday, November 8, 2014 3:52 PM
Subject: Re: [VOTE] Graduation of Apache DeviceMap from the incubator
Decloaking and voting +1.
This project is similar in size to Etch.
Regards,
Dave
Sent from my iPhone
> On Nov 8, 2014, at 3:02 PM, Mark Struberg <st...@yahoo.de> wrote:
>
> I've checked logs, looked at mail archives and followed the discussion.
>
> The community is indeed small, but it is ALIVE!
> I personally think that DeviceMap is pretty mature and thus it naturally does not attract so many new committers. But what it does it seems to do fine. We've seen this in other projects with similar maturity level as well.
>
>
> So I'm voting
>
>
> +1 (binding)
>
>
> LieGrue and good luck!
> strub
>
>
>
>
>> On Thursday, 6 November 2014, 16:08, Reza <re...@yahoo.com.INVALID> wrote:
>>>>> Why do you think graduating will give growth or even more visibility ?
>>
>> No specific reason other than its just another accomplishment for the project.
>> Active projects tend to garner more attention than inactive ones. But im just
>> speculating, so that statement is far from fact.
>>
>> Reza
>> From: jan i <ja...@apache.org>
>>
>> To: general@incubator.apache.org; Reza <re...@yahoo.com>
>> Sent: Thursday, November 6, 2014 4:12 AM
>> Subject: Re: [VOTE] Graduation of Apache DeviceMap from the incubator
>>
>>
>>
>> On 6 November 2014 03:31, Reza <re...@yahoo.com.invalid> wrote:
>>
>> Of course, discussion is more than welcomed.
>>>> Seems a little weird to have such a small team to begin with. How have
>> you grown?
>> This is a concern of the project. The PMC is indeed small. More than half of the
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[RESULT] [VOTE] Graduation of Apache DeviceMap from the incubator
Posted by Reza <re...@yahoo.com.INVALID>.
So this vote closes with 4 binding +1:
Bertrand D., Kevan M., Mark S., and Dave F.
Jan I. did express he favored this, but did not explicitely give a +1.
Thank you to everyone that voted and participated in this thread...!
Reza
From: Dave Fisher <wa...@apache.org>
To: "general@incubator.apache.org" <ge...@incubator.apache.org>
Cc: "general@incubator.apache.org" <ge...@incubator.apache.org>; jan i <ja...@apache.org>; Reza <re...@yahoo.com>
Sent: Saturday, November 8, 2014 3:52 PM
Subject: Re: [VOTE] Graduation of Apache DeviceMap from the incubator
Decloaking and voting +1.
This project is similar in size to Etch.
Regards,
Dave
Sent from my iPhone
> On Nov 8, 2014, at 3:02 PM, Mark Struberg <st...@yahoo.de> wrote:
>
> I've checked logs, looked at mail archives and followed the discussion.
>
> The community is indeed small, but it is ALIVE!
> I personally think that DeviceMap is pretty mature and thus it naturally does not attract so many new committers. But what it does it seems to do fine. We've seen this in other projects with similar maturity level as well.
>
>
> So I'm voting
>
>
> +1 (binding)
>
>
> LieGrue and good luck!
> strub
>
>
>
>
>> On Thursday, 6 November 2014, 16:08, Reza <re...@yahoo.com.INVALID> wrote:
>>>>> Why do you think graduating will give growth or even more visibility ?
>>
>> No specific reason other than its just another accomplishment for the project.
>> Active projects tend to garner more attention than inactive ones. But im just
>> speculating, so that statement is far from fact.
>>
>> Reza
>> From: jan i <ja...@apache.org>
>>
>> To: general@incubator.apache.org; Reza <re...@yahoo.com>
>> Sent: Thursday, November 6, 2014 4:12 AM
>> Subject: Re: [VOTE] Graduation of Apache DeviceMap from the incubator
>>
>>
>>
>> On 6 November 2014 03:31, Reza <re...@yahoo.com.invalid> wrote:
>>
>> Of course, discussion is more than welcomed.
>>>> Seems a little weird to have such a small team to begin with. How have
>> you grown?
>> This is a concern of the project. The PMC is indeed small. More than half of the
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Re: [VOTE] Graduation of Apache DeviceMap from the incubator
Posted by Dave Fisher <wa...@apache.org>.
Decloaking and voting +1.
This project is similar in size to Etch.
Regards,
Dave
Sent from my iPhone
> On Nov 8, 2014, at 3:02 PM, Mark Struberg <st...@yahoo.de> wrote:
>
> I've checked logs, looked at mail archives and followed the discussion.
>
> The community is indeed small, but it is ALIVE!
> I personally think that DeviceMap is pretty mature and thus it naturally does not attract so many new committers. But what it does it seems to do fine. We've seen this in other projects with similar maturity level as well.
>
>
> So I'm voting
>
>
> +1 (binding)
>
>
> LieGrue and good luck!
> strub
>
>
>
>
>> On Thursday, 6 November 2014, 16:08, Reza <re...@yahoo.com.INVALID> wrote:
>>>>> Why do you think graduating will give growth or even more visibility ?
>>
>> No specific reason other than its just another accomplishment for the project.
>> Active projects tend to garner more attention than inactive ones. But im just
>> speculating, so that statement is far from fact.
>>
>> Reza
>> From: jan i <ja...@apache.org>
>>
>> To: general@incubator.apache.org; Reza <re...@yahoo.com>
>> Sent: Thursday, November 6, 2014 4:12 AM
>> Subject: Re: [VOTE] Graduation of Apache DeviceMap from the incubator
>>
>>
>>
>> On 6 November 2014 03:31, Reza <re...@yahoo.com.invalid> wrote:
>>
>> Of course, discussion is more than welcomed.
>>>> Seems a little weird to have such a small team to begin with. How have
>> you grown?
>> This is a concern of the project. The PMC is indeed small. More than half of the
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Re: [VOTE] Graduation of Apache DeviceMap from the incubator
Posted by Mark Struberg <st...@yahoo.de>.
I've checked logs, looked at mail archives and followed the discussion.
The community is indeed small, but it is ALIVE!
I personally think that DeviceMap is pretty mature and thus it naturally does not attract so many new committers. But what it does it seems to do fine. We've seen this in other projects with similar maturity level as well.
So I'm voting
+1 (binding)
LieGrue and good luck!
strub
> On Thursday, 6 November 2014, 16:08, Reza <re...@yahoo.com.INVALID> wrote:
> >>> Why do you think graduating will give growth or even more visibility ?
>
> No specific reason other than its just another accomplishment for the project.
> Active projects tend to garner more attention than inactive ones. But im just
> speculating, so that statement is far from fact.
>
> Reza
> From: jan i <ja...@apache.org>
>
> To: general@incubator.apache.org; Reza <re...@yahoo.com>
> Sent: Thursday, November 6, 2014 4:12 AM
> Subject: Re: [VOTE] Graduation of Apache DeviceMap from the incubator
>
>
>
> On 6 November 2014 03:31, Reza <re...@yahoo.com.invalid> wrote:
>
> Of course, discussion is more than welcomed.
>>> Seems a little weird to have such a small team to begin with. How have
> you grown?
> This is a concern of the project. The PMC is indeed small. More than half of the
> original group has not participated in the last year and have not voiced that
> they would like to continue on with the project, leaving us with the group
> listed in the resolution. I do not know why these people decided not to continue
> their participation, but I can assure you that the remaining members are fully
> committed to continuing on with the project and we hope to recruit future
> members. Graduating will be a big accomplishment for this project and may give
> this project more visibility and growth.
> Also, on another note, I did not give the vote a deadline. If this list wishes
> to continue a vote, it will be open for 72 hours from my original email. I will
> close the vote Nov 8th at noon EST.
> thanks,Reza
>
>
> I for sure understand and share the concern. One of the reasons for a project to
> show it can grow a community.
>
> The project seems to have a fine technical base, but the lack of community
> growth is a major concern for me. Would it not be wise to postpone the
> graduation, and get the community to grow first ?
>
> Why do you think graduating will give growth or even more visibility ?
>
> rgds
> jan i.
>
>
>
>
> From: John D. Ament <jo...@gmail.com>
> To: "general@incubator.apache.org"
> <ge...@incubator.apache.org>; Reza <re...@yahoo.com>
> Sent: Wednesday, November 5, 2014 7:37 PM
> Subject: Re: [VOTE] Graduation of Apache DeviceMap from the incubator
>
> Hi,
>
> Should we perhaps discuss it first?
>
> Seems a little weird to have such a small team to begin with. How have you
> grown?
>
> John
>
>
>
> On Wed, Nov 5, 2014 at 10:27 AM, Reza <re...@yahoo.com.invalid>
> wrote:
>
>> So another graduation vote thread..! The Apache DeviceMap project would
>> like to graduate from the incubator. The project has made a lot of progress
>> in the past 6 months and all project members have voted positively for this
>> measure. We got 4 +1 votes from PMC members, 2 +1 votes from IPMC members
>> (Bertrand and Kevan), and no 0 or -1 votes [0].
>>
>>
>> This is the incubator vote thread to decide if the Apache DeviceMap
>> project graduates from the incubator. The resolution is at the bottom of
>> this email and attached.
>>
>>
>> [ ] +1 Graduate Apache DeviceMap from the Incubator.
>>
>> [ ] +0 Don't care.
>>
>> [ ] -1 Don't graduate Apache DeviceMap from the Incubator because ...
>>
>>
>> [0]
>>
> http://mail-archives.apache.org/mod_mbox/incubator-devicemap-dev/201411.mbox/%3C394358326.437830.1415058677229.JavaMail.yahoo%40jws106134.mail.bf1.yahoo.com%3E
>>
>>
>> ---
>>
>>
>> Establish the Apache DeviceMap Project
>>
>>
>> WHEREAS, the Board of Directors deems it to be in the best interests of
>> the Foundation and consistent with the Foundation's purpose to
> establish a
>> Project Management Committee charged with the creation and maintenance of
>> open-source software, for distribution at no charge to the public, related
>> to the maintenance and expansion of a data repository related to devices,
>> their operating systems and web browsers, and an API for classifying said
>> features.
>>
>>
>> NOW, THEREFORE, BE IT RESOLVED, that a Project Management Committee (PMC),
>> to be known as the "Apache DeviceMap Project", be and hereby is
> established
>> pursuant to Bylaws of the Foundation; and be it further
>>
>>
>> RESOLVED, that the Apache DeviceMap Project be and hereby is responsible
>> for the maintenance and expansion of a data repository related to devices,
>> their operating systems and web browsers, and an API for classifying said
>> features; and be it further
>>
>>
>> RESOLVED, that the office of "Vice President, Apache DeviceMap"
> be and
>> hereby is created, the person holding such office to serve at the direction
>> of the Board of Directors as the chair of the Apache DeviceMap Project, and
>> to have primary responsibility for management of the projects within the
>> scope of responsibility of the Apache DeviceMap Project; and be it further
>>
>>
>> RESOLVED, that the persons listed immediately below be and hereby are
>> appointed to serve as the initial members of the Apache DeviceMapProject:
>>
>>
>> * Reza Naghibi <re...@apache.org>
>>
>> * Werner Keil <wk...@apache.org>
>>
>> * Eberhard Speer Jr. <es...@apache.org>
>>
>> * Radu Cotescu <ra...@apache.org>
>>
>> * Bertrand Delacretaz <bd...@apache.org>
>>
>>
>> NOW, THEREFORE, BE IT FURTHER RESOLVED, that Reza Naghibi be appointed to
>> the office of Vice President, Apache DeviceMap, to serve in accordance with
>> and subject to the direction of the Board of Directors and the Bylaws of
>> the Foundation until death, resignation, retirement, removal or
>> disqualification, or until a successor is appointed; and be it further
>>
>>
>> RESOLVED, that the initial Apache DeviceMap PMC be and hereby is tasked
>> with the creation of a set of bylaws intended to encourage open development
>> and increased participation in the Apache DeviceMap Project; and be it
>> further
>>
>>
>> RESOLVED, that the Apache DeviceMap Project be and hereby is tasked with
>> the migration and rationalization of the Apache Incubator DeviceMap
>> podling; and be it further
>>
>>
>> RESOLVED, that all responsibilities pertaining to the Apache Incubator
>> DeviceMap podling encumbered upon the Apache Incubator Project are
>> hereafter discharged.
>>
>>
>>
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Re: [VOTE] Graduation of Apache DeviceMap from the incubator
Posted by Reza <re...@yahoo.com.INVALID>.
>> Why do you think graduating will give growth or even more visibility ?
No specific reason other than its just another accomplishment for the project. Active projects tend to garner more attention than inactive ones. But im just speculating, so that statement is far from fact.
Reza
From: jan i <ja...@apache.org>
To: general@incubator.apache.org; Reza <re...@yahoo.com>
Sent: Thursday, November 6, 2014 4:12 AM
Subject: Re: [VOTE] Graduation of Apache DeviceMap from the incubator
On 6 November 2014 03:31, Reza <re...@yahoo.com.invalid> wrote:
Of course, discussion is more than welcomed.
>> Seems a little weird to have such a small team to begin with. How have you grown?
This is a concern of the project. The PMC is indeed small. More than half of the original group has not participated in the last year and have not voiced that they would like to continue on with the project, leaving us with the group listed in the resolution. I do not know why these people decided not to continue their participation, but I can assure you that the remaining members are fully committed to continuing on with the project and we hope to recruit future members. Graduating will be a big accomplishment for this project and may give this project more visibility and growth.
Also, on another note, I did not give the vote a deadline. If this list wishes to continue a vote, it will be open for 72 hours from my original email. I will close the vote Nov 8th at noon EST.
thanks,Reza
I for sure understand and share the concern. One of the reasons for a project to show it can grow a community.
The project seems to have a fine technical base, but the lack of community growth is a major concern for me. Would it not be wise to postpone the graduation, and get the community to grow first ?
Why do you think graduating will give growth or even more visibility ?
rgds
jan i.
From: John D. Ament <jo...@gmail.com>
To: "general@incubator.apache.org" <ge...@incubator.apache.org>; Reza <re...@yahoo.com>
Sent: Wednesday, November 5, 2014 7:37 PM
Subject: Re: [VOTE] Graduation of Apache DeviceMap from the incubator
Hi,
Should we perhaps discuss it first?
Seems a little weird to have such a small team to begin with. How have you
grown?
John
On Wed, Nov 5, 2014 at 10:27 AM, Reza <re...@yahoo.com.invalid>
wrote:
> So another graduation vote thread..! The Apache DeviceMap project would
> like to graduate from the incubator. The project has made a lot of progress
> in the past 6 months and all project members have voted positively for this
> measure. We got 4 +1 votes from PMC members, 2 +1 votes from IPMC members
> (Bertrand and Kevan), and no 0 or -1 votes [0].
>
>
> This is the incubator vote thread to decide if the Apache DeviceMap
> project graduates from the incubator. The resolution is at the bottom of
> this email and attached.
>
>
> [ ] +1 Graduate Apache DeviceMap from the Incubator.
>
> [ ] +0 Don't care.
>
> [ ] -1 Don't graduate Apache DeviceMap from the Incubator because ...
>
>
> [0]
> http://mail-archives.apache.org/mod_mbox/incubator-devicemap-dev/201411.mbox/%3C394358326.437830.1415058677229.JavaMail.yahoo%40jws106134.mail.bf1.yahoo.com%3E
>
>
> ---
>
>
> Establish the Apache DeviceMap Project
>
>
> WHEREAS, the Board of Directors deems it to be in the best interests of
> the Foundation and consistent with the Foundation's purpose to establish a
> Project Management Committee charged with the creation and maintenance of
> open-source software, for distribution at no charge to the public, related
> to the maintenance and expansion of a data repository related to devices,
> their operating systems and web browsers, and an API for classifying said
> features.
>
>
> NOW, THEREFORE, BE IT RESOLVED, that a Project Management Committee (PMC),
> to be known as the "Apache DeviceMap Project", be and hereby is established
> pursuant to Bylaws of the Foundation; and be it further
>
>
> RESOLVED, that the Apache DeviceMap Project be and hereby is responsible
> for the maintenance and expansion of a data repository related to devices,
> their operating systems and web browsers, and an API for classifying said
> features; and be it further
>
>
> RESOLVED, that the office of "Vice President, Apache DeviceMap" be and
> hereby is created, the person holding such office to serve at the direction
> of the Board of Directors as the chair of the Apache DeviceMap Project, and
> to have primary responsibility for management of the projects within the
> scope of responsibility of the Apache DeviceMap Project; and be it further
>
>
> RESOLVED, that the persons listed immediately below be and hereby are
> appointed to serve as the initial members of the Apache DeviceMapProject:
>
>
> * Reza Naghibi <re...@apache.org>
>
> * Werner Keil <wk...@apache.org>
>
> * Eberhard Speer Jr. <es...@apache.org>
>
> * Radu Cotescu <ra...@apache.org>
>
> * Bertrand Delacretaz <bd...@apache.org>
>
>
> NOW, THEREFORE, BE IT FURTHER RESOLVED, that Reza Naghibi be appointed to
> the office of Vice President, Apache DeviceMap, to serve in accordance with
> and subject to the direction of the Board of Directors and the Bylaws of
> the Foundation until death, resignation, retirement, removal or
> disqualification, or until a successor is appointed; and be it further
>
>
> RESOLVED, that the initial Apache DeviceMap PMC be and hereby is tasked
> with the creation of a set of bylaws intended to encourage open development
> and increased participation in the Apache DeviceMap Project; and be it
> further
>
>
> RESOLVED, that the Apache DeviceMap Project be and hereby is tasked with
> the migration and rationalization of the Apache Incubator DeviceMap
> podling; and be it further
>
>
> RESOLVED, that all responsibilities pertaining to the Apache Incubator
> DeviceMap podling encumbered upon the Apache Incubator Project are
> hereafter discharged.
>
>
>
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Re: [VOTE] Graduation of Apache DeviceMap from the incubator
Posted by Bertrand Delacretaz <bd...@apache.org>.
Hi,
On Thu, Nov 6, 2014 at 12:18 PM, Sean Owen <sr...@gmail.com> wrote:
> ...glancing at the SVN
> log, there are in fact 3 active committers in the last few months. So
> I think this minimally passes the incubator guideline...
Yes, agreed.
>
>... The trend is worrying though and I share the sentiment that, well, is
> there a real hurry if this is just minimally sufficient to graduate?..
DeviceMap has been in the incubator for almost 3 years now, its
community is minimal but functional, it has made several releases and
rebuilt its small community after losing many of the initial
committers.
So the mentors feel that there's no benefit in leaving it in the
Incubator. Best case, the community grows, worst case it becomes too
small and moves to attic.apache.org. The same might happen if it stays
in the Incubator, with no benefit AFAICS.
-Bertrand
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Re: [VOTE] Graduation of Apache DeviceMap from the incubator
Posted by jan i <ja...@apache.org>.
On 6 November 2014 13:19, Bertrand Delacretaz <bd...@apache.org>
wrote:
> Hi,
>
> On Thu, Nov 6, 2014 at 12:46 PM, John D. Ament <jo...@gmail.com>
> wrote:
> > ... - FWD the [VOTE] e-mail to the general list, or
> > - Send a different copy to the general list indicating that a
> graduation
> > community [VOTE] is in progress..
>
> Reza has included the vote link in this thread.
>
> > ... - The resolution
> > <http://incubator.apache.org/guides/graduation.html#tlp-resolution>
> should
> > be proposed on the general incubator list
> > <ge...@incubator.apache.org> before
> > a VOTE <http://www.apache.org/foundation/voting.html> is started...
>
> We discussed this on the devicemap dev list and as several recent
> graduations skipped this step I suggested skipping it as well,
> indicating that a discussion that derails the vote is not the end of
> the world.
>
> The discussion is happening now and that's fine, let's work on
> building consensus for graduating now or later, and if needed the vote
> can be restarted.
>
> As I explained in this thread already, I'm in favor of graduating now,
> even with this small community, and AFAIK Kevan Miller who's the other
> active mentor shares this opinion.
>
I am still sceptical with regard to the small community, but Bertrand's
words convinced me that there are no further benefits for devicemap to be
in incubator.
so I am also in favour of graduating now.
rgds
jan i.
>
> -Bertrand
>
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Re: [VOTE] Graduation of Apache DeviceMap from the incubator
Posted by Bertrand Delacretaz <bd...@apache.org>.
Hi,
On Thu, Nov 6, 2014 at 12:46 PM, John D. Ament <jo...@gmail.com> wrote:
> ... - FWD the [VOTE] e-mail to the general list, or
> - Send a different copy to the general list indicating that a graduation
> community [VOTE] is in progress..
Reza has included the vote link in this thread.
> ... - The resolution
> <http://incubator.apache.org/guides/graduation.html#tlp-resolution> should
> be proposed on the general incubator list
> <ge...@incubator.apache.org> before
> a VOTE <http://www.apache.org/foundation/voting.html> is started...
We discussed this on the devicemap dev list and as several recent
graduations skipped this step I suggested skipping it as well,
indicating that a discussion that derails the vote is not the end of
the world.
The discussion is happening now and that's fine, let's work on
building consensus for graduating now or later, and if needed the vote
can be restarted.
As I explained in this thread already, I'm in favor of graduating now,
even with this small community, and AFAIK Kevan Miller who's the other
active mentor shares this opinion.
-Bertrand
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Re: [VOTE] Graduation of Apache DeviceMap from the incubator
Posted by "John D. Ament" <jo...@gmail.com>.
Sean,
If you want to discuss graduation guide, here are the steps I'm noticing as
missing. Lines copied straight from the [guide]:
- FWD the [VOTE] e-mail to the general list, or
- Send a different copy to the general list indicating that a graduation
community [VOTE] is in progress
- The resolution
<http://incubator.apache.org/guides/graduation.html#tlp-resolution> should
be proposed on the general incubator list
<ge...@incubator.apache.org> before
a VOTE <http://www.apache.org/foundation/voting.html> is started to
allow feedback. Once a consensus has been reached, a VOTE should be
started on the same general incubator list by a member of the PPMC
<http://incubator.apache.org/guides/ppmc.html> proposing that the IPMC
<http://incubator.apache.org/incubation/Roles_and_Responsibilities.html#Incubator+Project+Management+Committee+%28PMC%29>
recommends
the resolution to theBoard
<http://incubator.apache.org/incubation/Roles_and_Responsibilities.html#board>
.
- John
[guide]: http://incubator.apache.org/guides/graduation.html#process
On Thu, Nov 6, 2014 at 6:18 AM, Sean Owen <sr...@gmail.com> wrote:
> I don't have enough knowledge of DeviceMap to have much opinion. Going
> by the book (
> http://incubator.apache.org/incubation/Incubation_Policy.html#Minimum+Graduation+Requirements
> )
> at least 3 committers, presumably active, are as required as anything
> can be said to be.
>
> There were 12 committers proposed at the outset, 10 of which dropped
> away (?), with 3 others added since. 5 > 3, and glancing at the SVN
> log, there are in fact 3 active committers in the last few months. So
> I think this minimally passes the incubator guideline.
>
> The trend is worrying though and I share the sentiment that, well, is
> there a real hurry if this is just minimally sufficient to graduate?
>
> On Thu, Nov 6, 2014 at 9:37 AM, Bertrand Delacretaz
> <bd...@apache.org> wrote:
> > Hi,
> >
> > On Thu, Nov 6, 2014 at 10:12 AM, jan i <ja...@apache.org> wrote:
> >> ...The project seems to have a fine technical base, but the lack of
> community
> >> growth is a major concern for me. Would it not be wise to postpone the
> >> graduation, and get the community to grow first ?...
> >
> > As Reza says, only two of the initial committers listed at [1] are
> > part of the upcoming PMC, so one could argue that the community has
> > rebuilt itself during incubation, which is a good sign for the future
> > of the project.
> >
> > That being said, I agree that a PMC with five members is really small,
> > but my feeling is that due to the project's scope its community will
> > remain small, and I don't see how staying in the Incubator would help
> > it grow more than graduating. That's why, as a DeviceMap mentor, I
> > have recommended graduation.
> >
> > -Bertrand
> >
> > [1] http://wiki.apache.org/incubator/DeviceMapProposal
> >
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Re: [VOTE] Graduation of Apache DeviceMap from the incubator
Posted by Sean Owen <sr...@gmail.com>.
I don't have enough knowledge of DeviceMap to have much opinion. Going
by the book (http://incubator.apache.org/incubation/Incubation_Policy.html#Minimum+Graduation+Requirements)
at least 3 committers, presumably active, are as required as anything
can be said to be.
There were 12 committers proposed at the outset, 10 of which dropped
away (?), with 3 others added since. 5 > 3, and glancing at the SVN
log, there are in fact 3 active committers in the last few months. So
I think this minimally passes the incubator guideline.
The trend is worrying though and I share the sentiment that, well, is
there a real hurry if this is just minimally sufficient to graduate?
On Thu, Nov 6, 2014 at 9:37 AM, Bertrand Delacretaz
<bd...@apache.org> wrote:
> Hi,
>
> On Thu, Nov 6, 2014 at 10:12 AM, jan i <ja...@apache.org> wrote:
>> ...The project seems to have a fine technical base, but the lack of community
>> growth is a major concern for me. Would it not be wise to postpone the
>> graduation, and get the community to grow first ?...
>
> As Reza says, only two of the initial committers listed at [1] are
> part of the upcoming PMC, so one could argue that the community has
> rebuilt itself during incubation, which is a good sign for the future
> of the project.
>
> That being said, I agree that a PMC with five members is really small,
> but my feeling is that due to the project's scope its community will
> remain small, and I don't see how staying in the Incubator would help
> it grow more than graduating. That's why, as a DeviceMap mentor, I
> have recommended graduation.
>
> -Bertrand
>
> [1] http://wiki.apache.org/incubator/DeviceMapProposal
>
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Re: [VOTE] Graduation of Apache DeviceMap from the incubator
Posted by Bertrand Delacretaz <bd...@apache.org>.
Hi,
On Thu, Nov 6, 2014 at 10:12 AM, jan i <ja...@apache.org> wrote:
> ...The project seems to have a fine technical base, but the lack of community
> growth is a major concern for me. Would it not be wise to postpone the
> graduation, and get the community to grow first ?...
As Reza says, only two of the initial committers listed at [1] are
part of the upcoming PMC, so one could argue that the community has
rebuilt itself during incubation, which is a good sign for the future
of the project.
That being said, I agree that a PMC with five members is really small,
but my feeling is that due to the project's scope its community will
remain small, and I don't see how staying in the Incubator would help
it grow more than graduating. That's why, as a DeviceMap mentor, I
have recommended graduation.
-Bertrand
[1] http://wiki.apache.org/incubator/DeviceMapProposal
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Re: [VOTE] Graduation of Apache DeviceMap from the incubator
Posted by jan i <ja...@apache.org>.
On 6 November 2014 03:31, Reza <re...@yahoo.com.invalid> wrote:
> Of course, discussion is more than welcomed.
> >> Seems a little weird to have such a small team to begin with. How have
> you grown?
> This is a concern of the project. The PMC is indeed small. More than half
> of the original group has not participated in the last year and have not
> voiced that they would like to continue on with the project, leaving us
> with the group listed in the resolution. I do not know why these people
> decided not to continue their participation, but I can assure you that the
> remaining members are fully committed to continuing on with the project and
> we hope to recruit future members. Graduating will be a big accomplishment
> for this project and may give this project more visibility and growth.
> Also, on another note, I did not give the vote a deadline. If this list
> wishes to continue a vote, it will be open for 72 hours from my original
> email. I will close the vote Nov 8th at noon EST.
> thanks,Reza
>
I for sure understand and share the concern. One of the reasons for a
project to show it can grow a community.
The project seems to have a fine technical base, but the lack of community
growth is a major concern for me. Would it not be wise to postpone the
graduation, and get the community to grow first ?
Why do you think graduating will give growth or even more visibility ?
rgds
jan i.
> From: John D. Ament <jo...@gmail.com>
> To: "general@incubator.apache.org" <ge...@incubator.apache.org>; Reza <
> reza.naghibi@yahoo.com>
> Sent: Wednesday, November 5, 2014 7:37 PM
> Subject: Re: [VOTE] Graduation of Apache DeviceMap from the incubator
>
> Hi,
>
> Should we perhaps discuss it first?
>
> Seems a little weird to have such a small team to begin with. How have you
> grown?
>
> John
>
>
>
> On Wed, Nov 5, 2014 at 10:27 AM, Reza <re...@yahoo.com.invalid>
> wrote:
>
> > So another graduation vote thread..! The Apache DeviceMap project would
> > like to graduate from the incubator. The project has made a lot of
> progress
> > in the past 6 months and all project members have voted positively for
> this
> > measure. We got 4 +1 votes from PMC members, 2 +1 votes from IPMC members
> > (Bertrand and Kevan), and no 0 or -1 votes [0].
> >
> >
> > This is the incubator vote thread to decide if the Apache DeviceMap
> > project graduates from the incubator. The resolution is at the bottom of
> > this email and attached.
> >
> >
> > [ ] +1 Graduate Apache DeviceMap from the Incubator.
> >
> > [ ] +0 Don't care.
> >
> > [ ] -1 Don't graduate Apache DeviceMap from the Incubator because ...
> >
> >
> > [0]
> >
> http://mail-archives.apache.org/mod_mbox/incubator-devicemap-dev/201411.mbox/%3C394358326.437830.1415058677229.JavaMail.yahoo%40jws106134.mail.bf1.yahoo.com%3E
> >
> >
> > ---
> >
> >
> > Establish the Apache DeviceMap Project
> >
> >
> > WHEREAS, the Board of Directors deems it to be in the best interests of
> > the Foundation and consistent with the Foundation's purpose to establish
> a
> > Project Management Committee charged with the creation and maintenance of
> > open-source software, for distribution at no charge to the public,
> related
> > to the maintenance and expansion of a data repository related to devices,
> > their operating systems and web browsers, and an API for classifying said
> > features.
> >
> >
> > NOW, THEREFORE, BE IT RESOLVED, that a Project Management Committee
> (PMC),
> > to be known as the "Apache DeviceMap Project", be and hereby is
> established
> > pursuant to Bylaws of the Foundation; and be it further
> >
> >
> > RESOLVED, that the Apache DeviceMap Project be and hereby is responsible
> > for the maintenance and expansion of a data repository related to
> devices,
> > their operating systems and web browsers, and an API for classifying said
> > features; and be it further
> >
> >
> > RESOLVED, that the office of "Vice President, Apache DeviceMap" be and
> > hereby is created, the person holding such office to serve at the
> direction
> > of the Board of Directors as the chair of the Apache DeviceMap Project,
> and
> > to have primary responsibility for management of the projects within the
> > scope of responsibility of the Apache DeviceMap Project; and be it
> further
> >
> >
> > RESOLVED, that the persons listed immediately below be and hereby are
> > appointed to serve as the initial members of the Apache DeviceMapProject:
> >
> >
> > * Reza Naghibi <re...@apache.org>
> >
> > * Werner Keil <wk...@apache.org>
> >
> > * Eberhard Speer Jr. <es...@apache.org>
> >
> > * Radu Cotescu <ra...@apache.org>
> >
> > * Bertrand Delacretaz <bd...@apache.org>
> >
> >
> > NOW, THEREFORE, BE IT FURTHER RESOLVED, that Reza Naghibi be appointed to
> > the office of Vice President, Apache DeviceMap, to serve in accordance
> with
> > and subject to the direction of the Board of Directors and the Bylaws of
> > the Foundation until death, resignation, retirement, removal or
> > disqualification, or until a successor is appointed; and be it further
> >
> >
> > RESOLVED, that the initial Apache DeviceMap PMC be and hereby is tasked
> > with the creation of a set of bylaws intended to encourage open
> development
> > and increased participation in the Apache DeviceMap Project; and be it
> > further
> >
> >
> > RESOLVED, that the Apache DeviceMap Project be and hereby is tasked with
> > the migration and rationalization of the Apache Incubator DeviceMap
> > podling; and be it further
> >
> >
> > RESOLVED, that all responsibilities pertaining to the Apache Incubator
> > DeviceMap podling encumbered upon the Apache Incubator Project are
> > hereafter discharged.
> >
> >
> >
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Re: [VOTE] Graduation of Apache DeviceMap from the incubator
Posted by Andrew Savory <as...@apache.org>.
Hi,
Just to answer one of your questions:
On 5 November 2014 18:31, Reza <re...@yahoo.com.invalid> wrote:
> I do not know why these people decided not to continue their participation
For me at least I've been happy to watch from the side as the community has
gone through an iteration over the last year. I didn't think I could add
value so I was happy leaving you in the hands of lazy consensus. Trust me,
I'd have been vocal if I was concerned ;-)
Thanks,
Andrew.
--
asavory@apache.org / contact@andrewsavory.com
http://www.andrewsavory.com/
Re: [VOTE] Graduation of Apache DeviceMap from the incubator
Posted by Reza <re...@yahoo.com.INVALID>.
Of course, discussion is more than welcomed.
>> Seems a little weird to have such a small team to begin with. How have you grown?
This is a concern of the project. The PMC is indeed small. More than half of the original group has not participated in the last year and have not voiced that they would like to continue on with the project, leaving us with the group listed in the resolution. I do not know why these people decided not to continue their participation, but I can assure you that the remaining members are fully committed to continuing on with the project and we hope to recruit future members. Graduating will be a big accomplishment for this project and may give this project more visibility and growth.
Also, on another note, I did not give the vote a deadline. If this list wishes to continue a vote, it will be open for 72 hours from my original email. I will close the vote Nov 8th at noon EST.
thanks,Reza
From: John D. Ament <jo...@gmail.com>
To: "general@incubator.apache.org" <ge...@incubator.apache.org>; Reza <re...@yahoo.com>
Sent: Wednesday, November 5, 2014 7:37 PM
Subject: Re: [VOTE] Graduation of Apache DeviceMap from the incubator
Hi,
Should we perhaps discuss it first?
Seems a little weird to have such a small team to begin with. How have you
grown?
John
On Wed, Nov 5, 2014 at 10:27 AM, Reza <re...@yahoo.com.invalid>
wrote:
> So another graduation vote thread..! The Apache DeviceMap project would
> like to graduate from the incubator. The project has made a lot of progress
> in the past 6 months and all project members have voted positively for this
> measure. We got 4 +1 votes from PMC members, 2 +1 votes from IPMC members
> (Bertrand and Kevan), and no 0 or -1 votes [0].
>
>
> This is the incubator vote thread to decide if the Apache DeviceMap
> project graduates from the incubator. The resolution is at the bottom of
> this email and attached.
>
>
> [ ] +1 Graduate Apache DeviceMap from the Incubator.
>
> [ ] +0 Don't care.
>
> [ ] -1 Don't graduate Apache DeviceMap from the Incubator because ...
>
>
> [0]
> http://mail-archives.apache.org/mod_mbox/incubator-devicemap-dev/201411.mbox/%3C394358326.437830.1415058677229.JavaMail.yahoo%40jws106134.mail.bf1.yahoo.com%3E
>
>
> ---
>
>
> Establish the Apache DeviceMap Project
>
>
> WHEREAS, the Board of Directors deems it to be in the best interests of
> the Foundation and consistent with the Foundation's purpose to establish a
> Project Management Committee charged with the creation and maintenance of
> open-source software, for distribution at no charge to the public, related
> to the maintenance and expansion of a data repository related to devices,
> their operating systems and web browsers, and an API for classifying said
> features.
>
>
> NOW, THEREFORE, BE IT RESOLVED, that a Project Management Committee (PMC),
> to be known as the "Apache DeviceMap Project", be and hereby is established
> pursuant to Bylaws of the Foundation; and be it further
>
>
> RESOLVED, that the Apache DeviceMap Project be and hereby is responsible
> for the maintenance and expansion of a data repository related to devices,
> their operating systems and web browsers, and an API for classifying said
> features; and be it further
>
>
> RESOLVED, that the office of "Vice President, Apache DeviceMap" be and
> hereby is created, the person holding such office to serve at the direction
> of the Board of Directors as the chair of the Apache DeviceMap Project, and
> to have primary responsibility for management of the projects within the
> scope of responsibility of the Apache DeviceMap Project; and be it further
>
>
> RESOLVED, that the persons listed immediately below be and hereby are
> appointed to serve as the initial members of the Apache DeviceMapProject:
>
>
> * Reza Naghibi <re...@apache.org>
>
> * Werner Keil <wk...@apache.org>
>
> * Eberhard Speer Jr. <es...@apache.org>
>
> * Radu Cotescu <ra...@apache.org>
>
> * Bertrand Delacretaz <bd...@apache.org>
>
>
> NOW, THEREFORE, BE IT FURTHER RESOLVED, that Reza Naghibi be appointed to
> the office of Vice President, Apache DeviceMap, to serve in accordance with
> and subject to the direction of the Board of Directors and the Bylaws of
> the Foundation until death, resignation, retirement, removal or
> disqualification, or until a successor is appointed; and be it further
>
>
> RESOLVED, that the initial Apache DeviceMap PMC be and hereby is tasked
> with the creation of a set of bylaws intended to encourage open development
> and increased participation in the Apache DeviceMap Project; and be it
> further
>
>
> RESOLVED, that the Apache DeviceMap Project be and hereby is tasked with
> the migration and rationalization of the Apache Incubator DeviceMap
> podling; and be it further
>
>
> RESOLVED, that all responsibilities pertaining to the Apache Incubator
> DeviceMap podling encumbered upon the Apache Incubator Project are
> hereafter discharged.
>
>
>
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Re: [VOTE] Graduation of Apache DeviceMap from the incubator
Posted by "John D. Ament" <jo...@gmail.com>.
Hi,
Should we perhaps discuss it first?
Seems a little weird to have such a small team to begin with. How have you
grown?
John
On Wed, Nov 5, 2014 at 10:27 AM, Reza <re...@yahoo.com.invalid>
wrote:
> So another graduation vote thread..! The Apache DeviceMap project would
> like to graduate from the incubator. The project has made a lot of progress
> in the past 6 months and all project members have voted positively for this
> measure. We got 4 +1 votes from PMC members, 2 +1 votes from IPMC members
> (Bertrand and Kevan), and no 0 or -1 votes [0].
>
>
> This is the incubator vote thread to decide if the Apache DeviceMap
> project graduates from the incubator. The resolution is at the bottom of
> this email and attached.
>
>
> [ ] +1 Graduate Apache DeviceMap from the Incubator.
>
> [ ] +0 Don't care.
>
> [ ] -1 Don't graduate Apache DeviceMap from the Incubator because ...
>
>
> [0]
> http://mail-archives.apache.org/mod_mbox/incubator-devicemap-dev/201411.mbox/%3C394358326.437830.1415058677229.JavaMail.yahoo%40jws106134.mail.bf1.yahoo.com%3E
>
>
> ---
>
>
> Establish the Apache DeviceMap Project
>
>
> WHEREAS, the Board of Directors deems it to be in the best interests of
> the Foundation and consistent with the Foundation's purpose to establish a
> Project Management Committee charged with the creation and maintenance of
> open-source software, for distribution at no charge to the public, related
> to the maintenance and expansion of a data repository related to devices,
> their operating systems and web browsers, and an API for classifying said
> features.
>
>
> NOW, THEREFORE, BE IT RESOLVED, that a Project Management Committee (PMC),
> to be known as the "Apache DeviceMap Project", be and hereby is established
> pursuant to Bylaws of the Foundation; and be it further
>
>
> RESOLVED, that the Apache DeviceMap Project be and hereby is responsible
> for the maintenance and expansion of a data repository related to devices,
> their operating systems and web browsers, and an API for classifying said
> features; and be it further
>
>
> RESOLVED, that the office of "Vice President, Apache DeviceMap" be and
> hereby is created, the person holding such office to serve at the direction
> of the Board of Directors as the chair of the Apache DeviceMap Project, and
> to have primary responsibility for management of the projects within the
> scope of responsibility of the Apache DeviceMap Project; and be it further
>
>
> RESOLVED, that the persons listed immediately below be and hereby are
> appointed to serve as the initial members of the Apache DeviceMapProject:
>
>
> * Reza Naghibi <re...@apache.org>
>
> * Werner Keil <wk...@apache.org>
>
> * Eberhard Speer Jr. <es...@apache.org>
>
> * Radu Cotescu <ra...@apache.org>
>
> * Bertrand Delacretaz <bd...@apache.org>
>
>
> NOW, THEREFORE, BE IT FURTHER RESOLVED, that Reza Naghibi be appointed to
> the office of Vice President, Apache DeviceMap, to serve in accordance with
> and subject to the direction of the Board of Directors and the Bylaws of
> the Foundation until death, resignation, retirement, removal or
> disqualification, or until a successor is appointed; and be it further
>
>
> RESOLVED, that the initial Apache DeviceMap PMC be and hereby is tasked
> with the creation of a set of bylaws intended to encourage open development
> and increased participation in the Apache DeviceMap Project; and be it
> further
>
>
> RESOLVED, that the Apache DeviceMap Project be and hereby is tasked with
> the migration and rationalization of the Apache Incubator DeviceMap
> podling; and be it further
>
>
> RESOLVED, that all responsibilities pertaining to the Apache Incubator
> DeviceMap podling encumbered upon the Apache Incubator Project are
> hereafter discharged.
>
>
>
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