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Posted to dev@cordova.apache.org by Joe Bowser <bo...@gmail.com> on 2012/09/17 22:57:15 UTC
[Android] Android versioning phase-out (2.1 and 3.x)??
Hey
Currently, we support 99.4% of all Android devices out in the wild.
That's great, but in reality we're having the following problems with
this approach:
1. We are having a tough time finding and keeping Android 2.1 devices
(most get upgraded to 2.3 or just die)
2. The devices we do have are over three years old and/or are total garbage
3. We have a dependency, commons-codec, which we have to currently
track so that it doesn't break the script. This JAR is so we can
support Base64 on Android 2.1. (on 3.7% of all Android devices)
And those are the problems with supporting Android 2.1 off the top of
my head, not even getting into the crap state of the Android browser.
Then there's the Honeycomb tablets:
1. Hardware acceleration is broken
So, if we remove support for Honeycomb and Eclair and stick to Froyo,
Gingerbread, ICS and Jellybean, we should be able to eliminate most of
our pain points, and only not support 5.8% of Android users. I don't
know if this is acceptable, and whether we should continue supporting
2.1 and 3.x forever, but given that we deprecated support for 1.x, I
think there's precedent for it.
Thoughts?
Joe
Re: [Android] Android versioning phase-out (2.1 and 3.x)??
Posted by Joe Bowser <bo...@gmail.com>.
Not quite yet. I think we should just say that we're not supporting
Android 3.x. It doesn't mean that the software won't work on 3.x,
since we won't be changing targets like with 2.1, but we will have the
ability to close any 3.x bugs with "Won't Fix", which would be great.
Does that sound good?
Joe
On Tue, Sep 18, 2012 at 11:27 AM, Filip Maj <fi...@adobe.com> wrote:
> Sounds like a new thread :)
>
> On 9/18/12 11:23 AM, "Joe Bowser" <bo...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>>OK, How about we do the following:
>>
>>1. Announce that 2.1 will be dropped six months from now, as per our
>>deprecation policy
>>2. Keep support for Android 3.x for the time being and watch to see
>>the percentages drop
>>
>>Honestly, I think our deprecation policy is far too long, but given
>>how it was created, I understand the reason for it. What do people
>>think?
>>
>>Joe
>>
>>On Tue, Sep 18, 2012 at 10:20 AM, Michael Brooks
>><mi...@michaelbrooks.ca> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> 1. We are having a tough time finding and keeping Android 2.1 devices
>>>> (most get upgraded to 2.3 or just die)
>>>
>>>
>>> This is a pain-point that I've felt many times. When I have found a
>>>device,
>>> there are enough "quirks" on the browser that it's not worth the
>>> development time to support the small percentage of users. Usually, I've
>>> end up supporting 2.3+.
>>>
>>> +1 for dropping 2.1.
>>>
>>> I'll abstain from voting on Honeycomb because I have very little
>>>experience
>>> with that tablet / Android OS.
>>>
>>> Michael
>>>
>>> On Tue, Sep 18, 2012 at 8:06 AM, Braden Shepherdson
>>><br...@chromium.org>wrote:
>>>
>>>> If manufacturers and carriers are rescuing the Galaxy Tabs (the only
>>>> Honeycomb device with any real penetration, I think) then we can
>>>>justify
>>>> dropping support for it eventually. On the other hand, if the only
>>>>thing
>>>> stopping it is hardware acceleration, we could easily turn hardware
>>>> acceleration back on and have a "how to fix Honeycomb" doc as Andrew
>>>> suggested.
>>>>
>>>> +1 to dropping 2.1
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On Tue, Sep 18, 2012 at 7:24 AM, Brian LeRoux <b...@brian.io> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> > +1 for dropping 2.1
>>>> > +1 for dropping 3.whatever-it-was honeycomb
>>>> >
>>>> > ...in 2.2 or should we issue a general warning and wait a couple of
>>>> > releases?
>>>> >
>>>> >
>>>> > On Tue, Sep 18, 2012 at 4:41 AM, Shazron <sh...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>> > > Apparently the wifi tablets were only updated last week to ICS
>>>>(the 3G
>>>> > > updates came first). Also, manual update:
>>>> > >
>>>> >
>>>>
>>>>http://www.androidauthority.com/galaxy-tab-10-1-p7510-android-4-0-4-ics-
>>>>uelpl-update-official-110369/
>>>> > >
>>>> > > On Mon, Sep 17, 2012 at 7:36 PM, Shazron <sh...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>> > >> Verizon just announced today (yes today!):
>>>> > >>
>>>> >
>>>>
>>>>http://www.gottabemobile.com/2012/09/17/verizon-galaxy-tab-10-1-ice-crea
>>>>m-sandwich-update-rolling-out-now/
>>>> > >>
>>>> > >> T-mobile announced 2 weeks back:
>>>> > >>
>>>> >
>>>>
>>>>http://www.engadget.com/2012/09/03/t-mobile-samsung-galaxy-tab-10-1-andr
>>>>oid-ics-update/
>>>> > >>
>>>> > >> Apparently its available in Canada since end of August 2012:
>>>> > >>
>>>> >
>>>>
>>>>http://www.androidcentral.com/telus-bell-and-rogers-samsung-galaxy-tab-1
>>>>01-andoid-404-updates-now-available
>>>> > >>
>>>> >
>>>>
>>>>http://communityforums.rogers.com/t5/forums/forumtopicpage/board-id/Gene
>>>>ralCareSupport/message-id/355
>>>> > >>
>>>> > >> On Mon, Sep 17, 2012 at 7:20 PM, Simon MacDonald
>>>> > >> <si...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>> > >>> Me either. My Galaxy 10.1 Tab is still running 3.1.
>>>> > >>>
>>>> > >>> Simon Mac Donald
>>>> > >>> http://hi.im/simonmacdonald
>>>> > >>>
>>>> > >>>
>>>> > >>> On Mon, Sep 17, 2012 at 8:39 PM, Joe Bowser <bo...@gmail.com>
>>>> wrote:
>>>> > >>>> Funny, I never got that update.
>>>> > >>>> On Sep 17, 2012 5:34 PM, "Anis KADRI" <an...@gmail.com>
>>>>wrote:
>>>> > >>>>
>>>> > >>>>> Talking about the Samsung Galaxy Tab 10.1
>>>> > >>>>>
>>>> > >>>>> On Mon, Sep 17, 2012 at 5:33 PM, Anis KADRI
>>>><an...@gmail.com>
>>>> > wrote:
>>>> > >>>>>
>>>> > >>>>> > That was last year and Samsung has updated them to 4.0.3 :-)
>>>> > >>>>> >
>>>> > >>>>> >
>>>> > >>>>> > On Mon, Sep 17, 2012 at 2:29 PM, Joe Bowser
>>>><bo...@gmail.com>
>>>> > wrote:
>>>> > >>>>> >
>>>> > >>>>> >> On Mon, Sep 17, 2012 at 2:22 PM, Brion Vibber <
>>>> > bvibber@wikimedia.org>
>>>> > >>>>> >> wrote:
>>>> > >>>>> >> >
>>>> > >>>>> >> > I would not mind dropping 2.1; our apps for Wikipedia have
>>>> been
>>>> > 2.2+
>>>> > >>>>> >> anyway
>>>> > >>>>> >> > due to breakages in the 2.1 browser.
>>>> > >>>>> >> >
>>>> > >>>>> >> > 3/3.2 would be slightly sad to miss only because there are
>>>> > Honeycomb
>>>> > >>>>> >> > tablets that haven't received ICS updates, including my
>>>>Galaxy
>>>> > Tab
>>>> > >>>>> 10.1
>>>> > >>>>> >> but
>>>> > >>>>> >> > ... let's be honest there's not a lot of them out there.
>>>>I'm
>>>> > not sure
>>>> > >>>>> >> how
>>>> > >>>>> >> > to blacklist those particular versions in the
>>>>AndroidManifest
>>>> > however
>>>> > >>>>> >> while
>>>> > >>>>> >> > still being compatible with 2.2/2.3...
>>>> > >>>>> >> >
>>>> > >>>>> >>
>>>> > >>>>> >> That's a very good point. I'm almost convinced that the
>>>>3.1 on
>>>> > >>>>> >> Google's dashboard is literally the Samsung Galaxy Tab 10.1
>>>> > devices
>>>> > >>>>> >> that Google gave away at IO a couple of years ago that were
>>>> pretty
>>>> > >>>>> >> much orphaned by Samsung because they had a broken build.
>>>> > >>>>> >>
>>>> > >>>>> >> By far, Honeycomb was probably the worst version of Android
>>>> ever,
>>>> > and
>>>> > >>>>> >> I've been using it since 1.0 and remember how bad 2.0 was
>>>>when
>>>> it
>>>> > >>>>> >> first came out on the Droid/Milestone. We can't even
>>>>deprecate
>>>> it
>>>> > >>>>> >> cleanly.
>>>> > >>>>> >>
>>>> > >>>>> >
>>>> > >>>>> >
>>>> > >>>>>
>>>> >
>>>>
>
Re: [Android] Android versioning phase-out (2.1 and 3.x)??
Posted by Simon MacDonald <si...@gmail.com>.
I'm in favour of going saying 2.2 and above. With regards to 3.x
devices, the percentages are quite low and most of those devices are
getting or already have gotten OS upgrades. The chances of someone
running a Cordova app on one of those devices are slim. We don't have
to come right out and say we don't support it but we can only give it
a cursory glace at release time just to make sure most of the
automated tests are passing.
Simon Mac Donald
http://hi.im/simonmacdonald
On Wed, Sep 19, 2012 at 2:20 PM, Anis KADRI <an...@gmail.com> wrote:
> Again if we're talking about the Galaxy Tab 10.1 P7510 (including the
> special Google IO 2011 one). Samsung updated it last month [1]. If you
> didn't get the OTA (not likely for the Google IO one) you can manually
> update it. That wikipedia page is likely out of date.
>
> I don't think 3.x is relevant anymore.
>
> I am also in favor of dropping 2.1. I say we support 2.3 and above (yeah
> skip 2.2).
>
> [1]
> http://www.samsung.com/us/support/SupportOwnersFAQPopup.do?faq_id=FAQ00046726&fm_seq=49755
>
> On Tue, Sep 18, 2012 at 11:51 AM, Michal Mocny <mm...@chromium.org> wrote:
>
>> According to http://developer.android.com/about/dashboards/index.html 3.x
>> has around 2.1% market share, which is not insignificant.
>>
>> However, according to
>> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Comparison_of_Android_devices the only
>> *popular
>> * devices that haven't been upgraded to 4.x yet are the initial samsung
>> galaxy tabs, and those are dated devices now and it is widely rumored they
>> may also see updates to 4.x (wishful thinking?)
>>
>> Anyway, I had a galaxy tab 10, and I think cordova support is the least of
>> its problems ;)
>>
>> Big +1 on deprecating 3.x from me.
>>
>>
>> On Tue, Sep 18, 2012 at 2:32 PM, Filip Maj <fi...@adobe.com> wrote:
>>
>> > Pre-emptive deprecation! I like it!
>> >
>> > On 9/18/12 11:27 AM, "Andrew Grieve" <ag...@chromium.org> wrote:
>> >
>> > >I think if we're waiting 6 months, it would be good to deprecate 3.x
>> now.
>> > >That way in 6 months if we want to drop it, we can.
>> > >
>> > >
>> > >On Tue, Sep 18, 2012 at 2:23 PM, Joe Bowser <bo...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> > >
>> > >> OK, How about we do the following:
>> > >>
>> > >> 1. Announce that 2.1 will be dropped six months from now, as per our
>> > >> deprecation policy
>> > >> 2. Keep support for Android 3.x for the time being and watch to see
>> > >> the percentages drop
>> > >>
>> > >> Honestly, I think our deprecation policy is far too long, but given
>> > >> how it was created, I understand the reason for it. What do people
>> > >> think?
>> > >>
>> > >> Joe
>> > >>
>> > >> On Tue, Sep 18, 2012 at 10:20 AM, Michael Brooks
>> > >> <mi...@michaelbrooks.ca> wrote:
>> > >> >>
>> > >> >> 1. We are having a tough time finding and keeping Android 2.1
>> devices
>> > >> >> (most get upgraded to 2.3 or just die)
>> > >> >
>> > >> >
>> > >> > This is a pain-point that I've felt many times. When I have found a
>> > >> device,
>> > >> > there are enough "quirks" on the browser that it's not worth the
>> > >> > development time to support the small percentage of users. Usually,
>> > >>I've
>> > >> > end up supporting 2.3+.
>> > >> >
>> > >> > +1 for dropping 2.1.
>> > >> >
>> > >> > I'll abstain from voting on Honeycomb because I have very little
>> > >> experience
>> > >> > with that tablet / Android OS.
>> > >> >
>> > >> > Michael
>> > >> >
>> > >> > On Tue, Sep 18, 2012 at 8:06 AM, Braden Shepherdson
>> > >><braden@chromium.org
>> > >> >wrote:
>> > >> >
>> > >> >> If manufacturers and carriers are rescuing the Galaxy Tabs (the
>> only
>> > >> >> Honeycomb device with any real penetration, I think) then we can
>> > >>justify
>> > >> >> dropping support for it eventually. On the other hand, if the only
>> > >>thing
>> > >> >> stopping it is hardware acceleration, we could easily turn hardware
>> > >> >> acceleration back on and have a "how to fix Honeycomb" doc as
>> Andrew
>> > >> >> suggested.
>> > >> >>
>> > >> >> +1 to dropping 2.1
>> > >> >>
>> > >> >>
>> > >> >> On Tue, Sep 18, 2012 at 7:24 AM, Brian LeRoux <b...@brian.io> wrote:
>> > >> >>
>> > >> >> > +1 for dropping 2.1
>> > >> >> > +1 for dropping 3.whatever-it-was honeycomb
>> > >> >> >
>> > >> >> > ...in 2.2 or should we issue a general warning and wait a couple
>> of
>> > >> >> > releases?
>> > >> >> >
>> > >> >> >
>> > >> >> > On Tue, Sep 18, 2012 at 4:41 AM, Shazron <sh...@gmail.com>
>> > wrote:
>> > >> >> > > Apparently the wifi tablets were only updated last week to ICS
>> > >>(the
>> > >> 3G
>> > >> >> > > updates came first). Also, manual update:
>> > >> >> > >
>> > >> >> >
>> > >> >>
>> > >>
>> > >>
>> >
>> http://www.androidauthority.com/galaxy-tab-10-1-p7510-android-4-0-4-ics-u
>> > >>elpl-update-official-110369/
>> > >> >> > >
>> > >> >> > > On Mon, Sep 17, 2012 at 7:36 PM, Shazron <sh...@gmail.com>
>> > >>wrote:
>> > >> >> > >> Verizon just announced today (yes today!):
>> > >> >> > >>
>> > >> >> >
>> > >> >>
>> > >>
>> > >>
>> >
>> http://www.gottabemobile.com/2012/09/17/verizon-galaxy-tab-10-1-ice-cream
>> > >>-sandwich-update-rolling-out-now/
>> > >> >> > >>
>> > >> >> > >> T-mobile announced 2 weeks back:
>> > >> >> > >>
>> > >> >> >
>> > >> >>
>> > >>
>> > >>
>> >
>> http://www.engadget.com/2012/09/03/t-mobile-samsung-galaxy-tab-10-1-andro
>> > >>id-ics-update/
>> > >> >> > >>
>> > >> >> > >> Apparently its available in Canada since end of August 2012:
>> > >> >> > >>
>> > >> >> >
>> > >> >>
>> > >>
>> > >>
>> >
>> http://www.androidcentral.com/telus-bell-and-rogers-samsung-galaxy-tab-10
>> > >>1-andoid-404-updates-now-available
>> > >> >> > >>
>> > >> >> >
>> > >> >>
>> > >>
>> > >>
>> >
>> http://communityforums.rogers.com/t5/forums/forumtopicpage/board-id/Gener
>> > >>alCareSupport/message-id/355
>> > >> >> > >>
>> > >> >> > >> On Mon, Sep 17, 2012 at 7:20 PM, Simon MacDonald
>> > >> >> > >> <si...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> > >> >> > >>> Me either. My Galaxy 10.1 Tab is still running 3.1.
>> > >> >> > >>>
>> > >> >> > >>> Simon Mac Donald
>> > >> >> > >>> http://hi.im/simonmacdonald
>> > >> >> > >>>
>> > >> >> > >>>
>> > >> >> > >>> On Mon, Sep 17, 2012 at 8:39 PM, Joe Bowser <
>> bowserj@gmail.com
>> > >
>> > >> >> wrote:
>> > >> >> > >>>> Funny, I never got that update.
>> > >> >> > >>>> On Sep 17, 2012 5:34 PM, "Anis KADRI" <anis.kadri@gmail.com
>> >
>> > >> wrote:
>> > >> >> > >>>>
>> > >> >> > >>>>> Talking about the Samsung Galaxy Tab 10.1
>> > >> >> > >>>>>
>> > >> >> > >>>>> On Mon, Sep 17, 2012 at 5:33 PM, Anis KADRI <
>> > >> anis.kadri@gmail.com>
>> > >> >> > wrote:
>> > >> >> > >>>>>
>> > >> >> > >>>>> > That was last year and Samsung has updated them to 4.0.3
>> > >>:-)
>> > >> >> > >>>>> >
>> > >> >> > >>>>> >
>> > >> >> > >>>>> > On Mon, Sep 17, 2012 at 2:29 PM, Joe Bowser <
>> > >> bowserj@gmail.com>
>> > >> >> > wrote:
>> > >> >> > >>>>> >
>> > >> >> > >>>>> >> On Mon, Sep 17, 2012 at 2:22 PM, Brion Vibber <
>> > >> >> > bvibber@wikimedia.org>
>> > >> >> > >>>>> >> wrote:
>> > >> >> > >>>>> >> >
>> > >> >> > >>>>> >> > I would not mind dropping 2.1; our apps for Wikipedia
>> > >>have
>> > >> >> been
>> > >> >> > 2.2+
>> > >> >> > >>>>> >> anyway
>> > >> >> > >>>>> >> > due to breakages in the 2.1 browser.
>> > >> >> > >>>>> >> >
>> > >> >> > >>>>> >> > 3/3.2 would be slightly sad to miss only because there
>> > >>are
>> > >> >> > Honeycomb
>> > >> >> > >>>>> >> > tablets that haven't received ICS updates, including
>> my
>> > >> Galaxy
>> > >> >> > Tab
>> > >> >> > >>>>> 10.1
>> > >> >> > >>>>> >> but
>> > >> >> > >>>>> >> > ... let's be honest there's not a lot of them out
>> there.
>> > >> I'm
>> > >> >> > not sure
>> > >> >> > >>>>> >> how
>> > >> >> > >>>>> >> > to blacklist those particular versions in the
>> > >> AndroidManifest
>> > >> >> > however
>> > >> >> > >>>>> >> while
>> > >> >> > >>>>> >> > still being compatible with 2.2/2.3...
>> > >> >> > >>>>> >> >
>> > >> >> > >>>>> >>
>> > >> >> > >>>>> >> That's a very good point. I'm almost convinced that the
>> > >>3.1
>> > >> on
>> > >> >> > >>>>> >> Google's dashboard is literally the Samsung Galaxy Tab
>> > >>10.1
>> > >> >> > devices
>> > >> >> > >>>>> >> that Google gave away at IO a couple of years ago that
>> > >>were
>> > >> >> pretty
>> > >> >> > >>>>> >> much orphaned by Samsung because they had a broken
>> build.
>> > >> >> > >>>>> >>
>> > >> >> > >>>>> >> By far, Honeycomb was probably the worst version of
>> > >>Android
>> > >> >> ever,
>> > >> >> > and
>> > >> >> > >>>>> >> I've been using it since 1.0 and remember how bad 2.0
>> was
>> > >> when
>> > >> >> it
>> > >> >> > >>>>> >> first came out on the Droid/Milestone. We can't even
>> > >> deprecate
>> > >> >> it
>> > >> >> > >>>>> >> cleanly.
>> > >> >> > >>>>> >>
>> > >> >> > >>>>> >
>> > >> >> > >>>>> >
>> > >> >> > >>>>>
>> > >> >> >
>> > >> >>
>> > >>
>> >
>> >
>>
Re: [Android] Android versioning phase-out (2.1 and 3.x)??
Posted by Anis KADRI <an...@gmail.com>.
Again if we're talking about the Galaxy Tab 10.1 P7510 (including the
special Google IO 2011 one). Samsung updated it last month [1]. If you
didn't get the OTA (not likely for the Google IO one) you can manually
update it. That wikipedia page is likely out of date.
I don't think 3.x is relevant anymore.
I am also in favor of dropping 2.1. I say we support 2.3 and above (yeah
skip 2.2).
[1]
http://www.samsung.com/us/support/SupportOwnersFAQPopup.do?faq_id=FAQ00046726&fm_seq=49755
On Tue, Sep 18, 2012 at 11:51 AM, Michal Mocny <mm...@chromium.org> wrote:
> According to http://developer.android.com/about/dashboards/index.html 3.x
> has around 2.1% market share, which is not insignificant.
>
> However, according to
> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Comparison_of_Android_devices the only
> *popular
> * devices that haven't been upgraded to 4.x yet are the initial samsung
> galaxy tabs, and those are dated devices now and it is widely rumored they
> may also see updates to 4.x (wishful thinking?)
>
> Anyway, I had a galaxy tab 10, and I think cordova support is the least of
> its problems ;)
>
> Big +1 on deprecating 3.x from me.
>
>
> On Tue, Sep 18, 2012 at 2:32 PM, Filip Maj <fi...@adobe.com> wrote:
>
> > Pre-emptive deprecation! I like it!
> >
> > On 9/18/12 11:27 AM, "Andrew Grieve" <ag...@chromium.org> wrote:
> >
> > >I think if we're waiting 6 months, it would be good to deprecate 3.x
> now.
> > >That way in 6 months if we want to drop it, we can.
> > >
> > >
> > >On Tue, Sep 18, 2012 at 2:23 PM, Joe Bowser <bo...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > >
> > >> OK, How about we do the following:
> > >>
> > >> 1. Announce that 2.1 will be dropped six months from now, as per our
> > >> deprecation policy
> > >> 2. Keep support for Android 3.x for the time being and watch to see
> > >> the percentages drop
> > >>
> > >> Honestly, I think our deprecation policy is far too long, but given
> > >> how it was created, I understand the reason for it. What do people
> > >> think?
> > >>
> > >> Joe
> > >>
> > >> On Tue, Sep 18, 2012 at 10:20 AM, Michael Brooks
> > >> <mi...@michaelbrooks.ca> wrote:
> > >> >>
> > >> >> 1. We are having a tough time finding and keeping Android 2.1
> devices
> > >> >> (most get upgraded to 2.3 or just die)
> > >> >
> > >> >
> > >> > This is a pain-point that I've felt many times. When I have found a
> > >> device,
> > >> > there are enough "quirks" on the browser that it's not worth the
> > >> > development time to support the small percentage of users. Usually,
> > >>I've
> > >> > end up supporting 2.3+.
> > >> >
> > >> > +1 for dropping 2.1.
> > >> >
> > >> > I'll abstain from voting on Honeycomb because I have very little
> > >> experience
> > >> > with that tablet / Android OS.
> > >> >
> > >> > Michael
> > >> >
> > >> > On Tue, Sep 18, 2012 at 8:06 AM, Braden Shepherdson
> > >><braden@chromium.org
> > >> >wrote:
> > >> >
> > >> >> If manufacturers and carriers are rescuing the Galaxy Tabs (the
> only
> > >> >> Honeycomb device with any real penetration, I think) then we can
> > >>justify
> > >> >> dropping support for it eventually. On the other hand, if the only
> > >>thing
> > >> >> stopping it is hardware acceleration, we could easily turn hardware
> > >> >> acceleration back on and have a "how to fix Honeycomb" doc as
> Andrew
> > >> >> suggested.
> > >> >>
> > >> >> +1 to dropping 2.1
> > >> >>
> > >> >>
> > >> >> On Tue, Sep 18, 2012 at 7:24 AM, Brian LeRoux <b...@brian.io> wrote:
> > >> >>
> > >> >> > +1 for dropping 2.1
> > >> >> > +1 for dropping 3.whatever-it-was honeycomb
> > >> >> >
> > >> >> > ...in 2.2 or should we issue a general warning and wait a couple
> of
> > >> >> > releases?
> > >> >> >
> > >> >> >
> > >> >> > On Tue, Sep 18, 2012 at 4:41 AM, Shazron <sh...@gmail.com>
> > wrote:
> > >> >> > > Apparently the wifi tablets were only updated last week to ICS
> > >>(the
> > >> 3G
> > >> >> > > updates came first). Also, manual update:
> > >> >> > >
> > >> >> >
> > >> >>
> > >>
> > >>
> >
> http://www.androidauthority.com/galaxy-tab-10-1-p7510-android-4-0-4-ics-u
> > >>elpl-update-official-110369/
> > >> >> > >
> > >> >> > > On Mon, Sep 17, 2012 at 7:36 PM, Shazron <sh...@gmail.com>
> > >>wrote:
> > >> >> > >> Verizon just announced today (yes today!):
> > >> >> > >>
> > >> >> >
> > >> >>
> > >>
> > >>
> >
> http://www.gottabemobile.com/2012/09/17/verizon-galaxy-tab-10-1-ice-cream
> > >>-sandwich-update-rolling-out-now/
> > >> >> > >>
> > >> >> > >> T-mobile announced 2 weeks back:
> > >> >> > >>
> > >> >> >
> > >> >>
> > >>
> > >>
> >
> http://www.engadget.com/2012/09/03/t-mobile-samsung-galaxy-tab-10-1-andro
> > >>id-ics-update/
> > >> >> > >>
> > >> >> > >> Apparently its available in Canada since end of August 2012:
> > >> >> > >>
> > >> >> >
> > >> >>
> > >>
> > >>
> >
> http://www.androidcentral.com/telus-bell-and-rogers-samsung-galaxy-tab-10
> > >>1-andoid-404-updates-now-available
> > >> >> > >>
> > >> >> >
> > >> >>
> > >>
> > >>
> >
> http://communityforums.rogers.com/t5/forums/forumtopicpage/board-id/Gener
> > >>alCareSupport/message-id/355
> > >> >> > >>
> > >> >> > >> On Mon, Sep 17, 2012 at 7:20 PM, Simon MacDonald
> > >> >> > >> <si...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > >> >> > >>> Me either. My Galaxy 10.1 Tab is still running 3.1.
> > >> >> > >>>
> > >> >> > >>> Simon Mac Donald
> > >> >> > >>> http://hi.im/simonmacdonald
> > >> >> > >>>
> > >> >> > >>>
> > >> >> > >>> On Mon, Sep 17, 2012 at 8:39 PM, Joe Bowser <
> bowserj@gmail.com
> > >
> > >> >> wrote:
> > >> >> > >>>> Funny, I never got that update.
> > >> >> > >>>> On Sep 17, 2012 5:34 PM, "Anis KADRI" <anis.kadri@gmail.com
> >
> > >> wrote:
> > >> >> > >>>>
> > >> >> > >>>>> Talking about the Samsung Galaxy Tab 10.1
> > >> >> > >>>>>
> > >> >> > >>>>> On Mon, Sep 17, 2012 at 5:33 PM, Anis KADRI <
> > >> anis.kadri@gmail.com>
> > >> >> > wrote:
> > >> >> > >>>>>
> > >> >> > >>>>> > That was last year and Samsung has updated them to 4.0.3
> > >>:-)
> > >> >> > >>>>> >
> > >> >> > >>>>> >
> > >> >> > >>>>> > On Mon, Sep 17, 2012 at 2:29 PM, Joe Bowser <
> > >> bowserj@gmail.com>
> > >> >> > wrote:
> > >> >> > >>>>> >
> > >> >> > >>>>> >> On Mon, Sep 17, 2012 at 2:22 PM, Brion Vibber <
> > >> >> > bvibber@wikimedia.org>
> > >> >> > >>>>> >> wrote:
> > >> >> > >>>>> >> >
> > >> >> > >>>>> >> > I would not mind dropping 2.1; our apps for Wikipedia
> > >>have
> > >> >> been
> > >> >> > 2.2+
> > >> >> > >>>>> >> anyway
> > >> >> > >>>>> >> > due to breakages in the 2.1 browser.
> > >> >> > >>>>> >> >
> > >> >> > >>>>> >> > 3/3.2 would be slightly sad to miss only because there
> > >>are
> > >> >> > Honeycomb
> > >> >> > >>>>> >> > tablets that haven't received ICS updates, including
> my
> > >> Galaxy
> > >> >> > Tab
> > >> >> > >>>>> 10.1
> > >> >> > >>>>> >> but
> > >> >> > >>>>> >> > ... let's be honest there's not a lot of them out
> there.
> > >> I'm
> > >> >> > not sure
> > >> >> > >>>>> >> how
> > >> >> > >>>>> >> > to blacklist those particular versions in the
> > >> AndroidManifest
> > >> >> > however
> > >> >> > >>>>> >> while
> > >> >> > >>>>> >> > still being compatible with 2.2/2.3...
> > >> >> > >>>>> >> >
> > >> >> > >>>>> >>
> > >> >> > >>>>> >> That's a very good point. I'm almost convinced that the
> > >>3.1
> > >> on
> > >> >> > >>>>> >> Google's dashboard is literally the Samsung Galaxy Tab
> > >>10.1
> > >> >> > devices
> > >> >> > >>>>> >> that Google gave away at IO a couple of years ago that
> > >>were
> > >> >> pretty
> > >> >> > >>>>> >> much orphaned by Samsung because they had a broken
> build.
> > >> >> > >>>>> >>
> > >> >> > >>>>> >> By far, Honeycomb was probably the worst version of
> > >>Android
> > >> >> ever,
> > >> >> > and
> > >> >> > >>>>> >> I've been using it since 1.0 and remember how bad 2.0
> was
> > >> when
> > >> >> it
> > >> >> > >>>>> >> first came out on the Droid/Milestone. We can't even
> > >> deprecate
> > >> >> it
> > >> >> > >>>>> >> cleanly.
> > >> >> > >>>>> >>
> > >> >> > >>>>> >
> > >> >> > >>>>> >
> > >> >> > >>>>>
> > >> >> >
> > >> >>
> > >>
> >
> >
>
Re: [Android] Android versioning phase-out (2.1 and 3.x)??
Posted by Michal Mocny <mm...@chromium.org>.
According to http://developer.android.com/about/dashboards/index.html 3.x
has around 2.1% market share, which is not insignificant.
However, according to
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Comparison_of_Android_devices the only *popular
* devices that haven't been upgraded to 4.x yet are the initial samsung
galaxy tabs, and those are dated devices now and it is widely rumored they
may also see updates to 4.x (wishful thinking?)
Anyway, I had a galaxy tab 10, and I think cordova support is the least of
its problems ;)
Big +1 on deprecating 3.x from me.
On Tue, Sep 18, 2012 at 2:32 PM, Filip Maj <fi...@adobe.com> wrote:
> Pre-emptive deprecation! I like it!
>
> On 9/18/12 11:27 AM, "Andrew Grieve" <ag...@chromium.org> wrote:
>
> >I think if we're waiting 6 months, it would be good to deprecate 3.x now.
> >That way in 6 months if we want to drop it, we can.
> >
> >
> >On Tue, Sep 18, 2012 at 2:23 PM, Joe Bowser <bo...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >
> >> OK, How about we do the following:
> >>
> >> 1. Announce that 2.1 will be dropped six months from now, as per our
> >> deprecation policy
> >> 2. Keep support for Android 3.x for the time being and watch to see
> >> the percentages drop
> >>
> >> Honestly, I think our deprecation policy is far too long, but given
> >> how it was created, I understand the reason for it. What do people
> >> think?
> >>
> >> Joe
> >>
> >> On Tue, Sep 18, 2012 at 10:20 AM, Michael Brooks
> >> <mi...@michaelbrooks.ca> wrote:
> >> >>
> >> >> 1. We are having a tough time finding and keeping Android 2.1 devices
> >> >> (most get upgraded to 2.3 or just die)
> >> >
> >> >
> >> > This is a pain-point that I've felt many times. When I have found a
> >> device,
> >> > there are enough "quirks" on the browser that it's not worth the
> >> > development time to support the small percentage of users. Usually,
> >>I've
> >> > end up supporting 2.3+.
> >> >
> >> > +1 for dropping 2.1.
> >> >
> >> > I'll abstain from voting on Honeycomb because I have very little
> >> experience
> >> > with that tablet / Android OS.
> >> >
> >> > Michael
> >> >
> >> > On Tue, Sep 18, 2012 at 8:06 AM, Braden Shepherdson
> >><braden@chromium.org
> >> >wrote:
> >> >
> >> >> If manufacturers and carriers are rescuing the Galaxy Tabs (the only
> >> >> Honeycomb device with any real penetration, I think) then we can
> >>justify
> >> >> dropping support for it eventually. On the other hand, if the only
> >>thing
> >> >> stopping it is hardware acceleration, we could easily turn hardware
> >> >> acceleration back on and have a "how to fix Honeycomb" doc as Andrew
> >> >> suggested.
> >> >>
> >> >> +1 to dropping 2.1
> >> >>
> >> >>
> >> >> On Tue, Sep 18, 2012 at 7:24 AM, Brian LeRoux <b...@brian.io> wrote:
> >> >>
> >> >> > +1 for dropping 2.1
> >> >> > +1 for dropping 3.whatever-it-was honeycomb
> >> >> >
> >> >> > ...in 2.2 or should we issue a general warning and wait a couple of
> >> >> > releases?
> >> >> >
> >> >> >
> >> >> > On Tue, Sep 18, 2012 at 4:41 AM, Shazron <sh...@gmail.com>
> wrote:
> >> >> > > Apparently the wifi tablets were only updated last week to ICS
> >>(the
> >> 3G
> >> >> > > updates came first). Also, manual update:
> >> >> > >
> >> >> >
> >> >>
> >>
> >>
> http://www.androidauthority.com/galaxy-tab-10-1-p7510-android-4-0-4-ics-u
> >>elpl-update-official-110369/
> >> >> > >
> >> >> > > On Mon, Sep 17, 2012 at 7:36 PM, Shazron <sh...@gmail.com>
> >>wrote:
> >> >> > >> Verizon just announced today (yes today!):
> >> >> > >>
> >> >> >
> >> >>
> >>
> >>
> http://www.gottabemobile.com/2012/09/17/verizon-galaxy-tab-10-1-ice-cream
> >>-sandwich-update-rolling-out-now/
> >> >> > >>
> >> >> > >> T-mobile announced 2 weeks back:
> >> >> > >>
> >> >> >
> >> >>
> >>
> >>
> http://www.engadget.com/2012/09/03/t-mobile-samsung-galaxy-tab-10-1-andro
> >>id-ics-update/
> >> >> > >>
> >> >> > >> Apparently its available in Canada since end of August 2012:
> >> >> > >>
> >> >> >
> >> >>
> >>
> >>
> http://www.androidcentral.com/telus-bell-and-rogers-samsung-galaxy-tab-10
> >>1-andoid-404-updates-now-available
> >> >> > >>
> >> >> >
> >> >>
> >>
> >>
> http://communityforums.rogers.com/t5/forums/forumtopicpage/board-id/Gener
> >>alCareSupport/message-id/355
> >> >> > >>
> >> >> > >> On Mon, Sep 17, 2012 at 7:20 PM, Simon MacDonald
> >> >> > >> <si...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >> >> > >>> Me either. My Galaxy 10.1 Tab is still running 3.1.
> >> >> > >>>
> >> >> > >>> Simon Mac Donald
> >> >> > >>> http://hi.im/simonmacdonald
> >> >> > >>>
> >> >> > >>>
> >> >> > >>> On Mon, Sep 17, 2012 at 8:39 PM, Joe Bowser <bowserj@gmail.com
> >
> >> >> wrote:
> >> >> > >>>> Funny, I never got that update.
> >> >> > >>>> On Sep 17, 2012 5:34 PM, "Anis KADRI" <an...@gmail.com>
> >> wrote:
> >> >> > >>>>
> >> >> > >>>>> Talking about the Samsung Galaxy Tab 10.1
> >> >> > >>>>>
> >> >> > >>>>> On Mon, Sep 17, 2012 at 5:33 PM, Anis KADRI <
> >> anis.kadri@gmail.com>
> >> >> > wrote:
> >> >> > >>>>>
> >> >> > >>>>> > That was last year and Samsung has updated them to 4.0.3
> >>:-)
> >> >> > >>>>> >
> >> >> > >>>>> >
> >> >> > >>>>> > On Mon, Sep 17, 2012 at 2:29 PM, Joe Bowser <
> >> bowserj@gmail.com>
> >> >> > wrote:
> >> >> > >>>>> >
> >> >> > >>>>> >> On Mon, Sep 17, 2012 at 2:22 PM, Brion Vibber <
> >> >> > bvibber@wikimedia.org>
> >> >> > >>>>> >> wrote:
> >> >> > >>>>> >> >
> >> >> > >>>>> >> > I would not mind dropping 2.1; our apps for Wikipedia
> >>have
> >> >> been
> >> >> > 2.2+
> >> >> > >>>>> >> anyway
> >> >> > >>>>> >> > due to breakages in the 2.1 browser.
> >> >> > >>>>> >> >
> >> >> > >>>>> >> > 3/3.2 would be slightly sad to miss only because there
> >>are
> >> >> > Honeycomb
> >> >> > >>>>> >> > tablets that haven't received ICS updates, including my
> >> Galaxy
> >> >> > Tab
> >> >> > >>>>> 10.1
> >> >> > >>>>> >> but
> >> >> > >>>>> >> > ... let's be honest there's not a lot of them out there.
> >> I'm
> >> >> > not sure
> >> >> > >>>>> >> how
> >> >> > >>>>> >> > to blacklist those particular versions in the
> >> AndroidManifest
> >> >> > however
> >> >> > >>>>> >> while
> >> >> > >>>>> >> > still being compatible with 2.2/2.3...
> >> >> > >>>>> >> >
> >> >> > >>>>> >>
> >> >> > >>>>> >> That's a very good point. I'm almost convinced that the
> >>3.1
> >> on
> >> >> > >>>>> >> Google's dashboard is literally the Samsung Galaxy Tab
> >>10.1
> >> >> > devices
> >> >> > >>>>> >> that Google gave away at IO a couple of years ago that
> >>were
> >> >> pretty
> >> >> > >>>>> >> much orphaned by Samsung because they had a broken build.
> >> >> > >>>>> >>
> >> >> > >>>>> >> By far, Honeycomb was probably the worst version of
> >>Android
> >> >> ever,
> >> >> > and
> >> >> > >>>>> >> I've been using it since 1.0 and remember how bad 2.0 was
> >> when
> >> >> it
> >> >> > >>>>> >> first came out on the Droid/Milestone. We can't even
> >> deprecate
> >> >> it
> >> >> > >>>>> >> cleanly.
> >> >> > >>>>> >>
> >> >> > >>>>> >
> >> >> > >>>>> >
> >> >> > >>>>>
> >> >> >
> >> >>
> >>
>
>
Re: [Android] Android versioning phase-out (2.1 and 3.x)??
Posted by Filip Maj <fi...@adobe.com>.
Pre-emptive deprecation! I like it!
On 9/18/12 11:27 AM, "Andrew Grieve" <ag...@chromium.org> wrote:
>I think if we're waiting 6 months, it would be good to deprecate 3.x now.
>That way in 6 months if we want to drop it, we can.
>
>
>On Tue, Sep 18, 2012 at 2:23 PM, Joe Bowser <bo...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> OK, How about we do the following:
>>
>> 1. Announce that 2.1 will be dropped six months from now, as per our
>> deprecation policy
>> 2. Keep support for Android 3.x for the time being and watch to see
>> the percentages drop
>>
>> Honestly, I think our deprecation policy is far too long, but given
>> how it was created, I understand the reason for it. What do people
>> think?
>>
>> Joe
>>
>> On Tue, Sep 18, 2012 at 10:20 AM, Michael Brooks
>> <mi...@michaelbrooks.ca> wrote:
>> >>
>> >> 1. We are having a tough time finding and keeping Android 2.1 devices
>> >> (most get upgraded to 2.3 or just die)
>> >
>> >
>> > This is a pain-point that I've felt many times. When I have found a
>> device,
>> > there are enough "quirks" on the browser that it's not worth the
>> > development time to support the small percentage of users. Usually,
>>I've
>> > end up supporting 2.3+.
>> >
>> > +1 for dropping 2.1.
>> >
>> > I'll abstain from voting on Honeycomb because I have very little
>> experience
>> > with that tablet / Android OS.
>> >
>> > Michael
>> >
>> > On Tue, Sep 18, 2012 at 8:06 AM, Braden Shepherdson
>><braden@chromium.org
>> >wrote:
>> >
>> >> If manufacturers and carriers are rescuing the Galaxy Tabs (the only
>> >> Honeycomb device with any real penetration, I think) then we can
>>justify
>> >> dropping support for it eventually. On the other hand, if the only
>>thing
>> >> stopping it is hardware acceleration, we could easily turn hardware
>> >> acceleration back on and have a "how to fix Honeycomb" doc as Andrew
>> >> suggested.
>> >>
>> >> +1 to dropping 2.1
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> On Tue, Sep 18, 2012 at 7:24 AM, Brian LeRoux <b...@brian.io> wrote:
>> >>
>> >> > +1 for dropping 2.1
>> >> > +1 for dropping 3.whatever-it-was honeycomb
>> >> >
>> >> > ...in 2.2 or should we issue a general warning and wait a couple of
>> >> > releases?
>> >> >
>> >> >
>> >> > On Tue, Sep 18, 2012 at 4:41 AM, Shazron <sh...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> >> > > Apparently the wifi tablets were only updated last week to ICS
>>(the
>> 3G
>> >> > > updates came first). Also, manual update:
>> >> > >
>> >> >
>> >>
>>
>>http://www.androidauthority.com/galaxy-tab-10-1-p7510-android-4-0-4-ics-u
>>elpl-update-official-110369/
>> >> > >
>> >> > > On Mon, Sep 17, 2012 at 7:36 PM, Shazron <sh...@gmail.com>
>>wrote:
>> >> > >> Verizon just announced today (yes today!):
>> >> > >>
>> >> >
>> >>
>>
>>http://www.gottabemobile.com/2012/09/17/verizon-galaxy-tab-10-1-ice-cream
>>-sandwich-update-rolling-out-now/
>> >> > >>
>> >> > >> T-mobile announced 2 weeks back:
>> >> > >>
>> >> >
>> >>
>>
>>http://www.engadget.com/2012/09/03/t-mobile-samsung-galaxy-tab-10-1-andro
>>id-ics-update/
>> >> > >>
>> >> > >> Apparently its available in Canada since end of August 2012:
>> >> > >>
>> >> >
>> >>
>>
>>http://www.androidcentral.com/telus-bell-and-rogers-samsung-galaxy-tab-10
>>1-andoid-404-updates-now-available
>> >> > >>
>> >> >
>> >>
>>
>>http://communityforums.rogers.com/t5/forums/forumtopicpage/board-id/Gener
>>alCareSupport/message-id/355
>> >> > >>
>> >> > >> On Mon, Sep 17, 2012 at 7:20 PM, Simon MacDonald
>> >> > >> <si...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> >> > >>> Me either. My Galaxy 10.1 Tab is still running 3.1.
>> >> > >>>
>> >> > >>> Simon Mac Donald
>> >> > >>> http://hi.im/simonmacdonald
>> >> > >>>
>> >> > >>>
>> >> > >>> On Mon, Sep 17, 2012 at 8:39 PM, Joe Bowser <bo...@gmail.com>
>> >> wrote:
>> >> > >>>> Funny, I never got that update.
>> >> > >>>> On Sep 17, 2012 5:34 PM, "Anis KADRI" <an...@gmail.com>
>> wrote:
>> >> > >>>>
>> >> > >>>>> Talking about the Samsung Galaxy Tab 10.1
>> >> > >>>>>
>> >> > >>>>> On Mon, Sep 17, 2012 at 5:33 PM, Anis KADRI <
>> anis.kadri@gmail.com>
>> >> > wrote:
>> >> > >>>>>
>> >> > >>>>> > That was last year and Samsung has updated them to 4.0.3
>>:-)
>> >> > >>>>> >
>> >> > >>>>> >
>> >> > >>>>> > On Mon, Sep 17, 2012 at 2:29 PM, Joe Bowser <
>> bowserj@gmail.com>
>> >> > wrote:
>> >> > >>>>> >
>> >> > >>>>> >> On Mon, Sep 17, 2012 at 2:22 PM, Brion Vibber <
>> >> > bvibber@wikimedia.org>
>> >> > >>>>> >> wrote:
>> >> > >>>>> >> >
>> >> > >>>>> >> > I would not mind dropping 2.1; our apps for Wikipedia
>>have
>> >> been
>> >> > 2.2+
>> >> > >>>>> >> anyway
>> >> > >>>>> >> > due to breakages in the 2.1 browser.
>> >> > >>>>> >> >
>> >> > >>>>> >> > 3/3.2 would be slightly sad to miss only because there
>>are
>> >> > Honeycomb
>> >> > >>>>> >> > tablets that haven't received ICS updates, including my
>> Galaxy
>> >> > Tab
>> >> > >>>>> 10.1
>> >> > >>>>> >> but
>> >> > >>>>> >> > ... let's be honest there's not a lot of them out there.
>> I'm
>> >> > not sure
>> >> > >>>>> >> how
>> >> > >>>>> >> > to blacklist those particular versions in the
>> AndroidManifest
>> >> > however
>> >> > >>>>> >> while
>> >> > >>>>> >> > still being compatible with 2.2/2.3...
>> >> > >>>>> >> >
>> >> > >>>>> >>
>> >> > >>>>> >> That's a very good point. I'm almost convinced that the
>>3.1
>> on
>> >> > >>>>> >> Google's dashboard is literally the Samsung Galaxy Tab
>>10.1
>> >> > devices
>> >> > >>>>> >> that Google gave away at IO a couple of years ago that
>>were
>> >> pretty
>> >> > >>>>> >> much orphaned by Samsung because they had a broken build.
>> >> > >>>>> >>
>> >> > >>>>> >> By far, Honeycomb was probably the worst version of
>>Android
>> >> ever,
>> >> > and
>> >> > >>>>> >> I've been using it since 1.0 and remember how bad 2.0 was
>> when
>> >> it
>> >> > >>>>> >> first came out on the Droid/Milestone. We can't even
>> deprecate
>> >> it
>> >> > >>>>> >> cleanly.
>> >> > >>>>> >>
>> >> > >>>>> >
>> >> > >>>>> >
>> >> > >>>>>
>> >> >
>> >>
>>
Re: [Android] Android versioning phase-out (2.1 and 3.x)??
Posted by Andrew Grieve <ag...@chromium.org>.
I think if we're waiting 6 months, it would be good to deprecate 3.x now.
That way in 6 months if we want to drop it, we can.
On Tue, Sep 18, 2012 at 2:23 PM, Joe Bowser <bo...@gmail.com> wrote:
> OK, How about we do the following:
>
> 1. Announce that 2.1 will be dropped six months from now, as per our
> deprecation policy
> 2. Keep support for Android 3.x for the time being and watch to see
> the percentages drop
>
> Honestly, I think our deprecation policy is far too long, but given
> how it was created, I understand the reason for it. What do people
> think?
>
> Joe
>
> On Tue, Sep 18, 2012 at 10:20 AM, Michael Brooks
> <mi...@michaelbrooks.ca> wrote:
> >>
> >> 1. We are having a tough time finding and keeping Android 2.1 devices
> >> (most get upgraded to 2.3 or just die)
> >
> >
> > This is a pain-point that I've felt many times. When I have found a
> device,
> > there are enough "quirks" on the browser that it's not worth the
> > development time to support the small percentage of users. Usually, I've
> > end up supporting 2.3+.
> >
> > +1 for dropping 2.1.
> >
> > I'll abstain from voting on Honeycomb because I have very little
> experience
> > with that tablet / Android OS.
> >
> > Michael
> >
> > On Tue, Sep 18, 2012 at 8:06 AM, Braden Shepherdson <braden@chromium.org
> >wrote:
> >
> >> If manufacturers and carriers are rescuing the Galaxy Tabs (the only
> >> Honeycomb device with any real penetration, I think) then we can justify
> >> dropping support for it eventually. On the other hand, if the only thing
> >> stopping it is hardware acceleration, we could easily turn hardware
> >> acceleration back on and have a "how to fix Honeycomb" doc as Andrew
> >> suggested.
> >>
> >> +1 to dropping 2.1
> >>
> >>
> >> On Tue, Sep 18, 2012 at 7:24 AM, Brian LeRoux <b...@brian.io> wrote:
> >>
> >> > +1 for dropping 2.1
> >> > +1 for dropping 3.whatever-it-was honeycomb
> >> >
> >> > ...in 2.2 or should we issue a general warning and wait a couple of
> >> > releases?
> >> >
> >> >
> >> > On Tue, Sep 18, 2012 at 4:41 AM, Shazron <sh...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >> > > Apparently the wifi tablets were only updated last week to ICS (the
> 3G
> >> > > updates came first). Also, manual update:
> >> > >
> >> >
> >>
> http://www.androidauthority.com/galaxy-tab-10-1-p7510-android-4-0-4-ics-uelpl-update-official-110369/
> >> > >
> >> > > On Mon, Sep 17, 2012 at 7:36 PM, Shazron <sh...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >> > >> Verizon just announced today (yes today!):
> >> > >>
> >> >
> >>
> http://www.gottabemobile.com/2012/09/17/verizon-galaxy-tab-10-1-ice-cream-sandwich-update-rolling-out-now/
> >> > >>
> >> > >> T-mobile announced 2 weeks back:
> >> > >>
> >> >
> >>
> http://www.engadget.com/2012/09/03/t-mobile-samsung-galaxy-tab-10-1-android-ics-update/
> >> > >>
> >> > >> Apparently its available in Canada since end of August 2012:
> >> > >>
> >> >
> >>
> http://www.androidcentral.com/telus-bell-and-rogers-samsung-galaxy-tab-101-andoid-404-updates-now-available
> >> > >>
> >> >
> >>
> http://communityforums.rogers.com/t5/forums/forumtopicpage/board-id/GeneralCareSupport/message-id/355
> >> > >>
> >> > >> On Mon, Sep 17, 2012 at 7:20 PM, Simon MacDonald
> >> > >> <si...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >> > >>> Me either. My Galaxy 10.1 Tab is still running 3.1.
> >> > >>>
> >> > >>> Simon Mac Donald
> >> > >>> http://hi.im/simonmacdonald
> >> > >>>
> >> > >>>
> >> > >>> On Mon, Sep 17, 2012 at 8:39 PM, Joe Bowser <bo...@gmail.com>
> >> wrote:
> >> > >>>> Funny, I never got that update.
> >> > >>>> On Sep 17, 2012 5:34 PM, "Anis KADRI" <an...@gmail.com>
> wrote:
> >> > >>>>
> >> > >>>>> Talking about the Samsung Galaxy Tab 10.1
> >> > >>>>>
> >> > >>>>> On Mon, Sep 17, 2012 at 5:33 PM, Anis KADRI <
> anis.kadri@gmail.com>
> >> > wrote:
> >> > >>>>>
> >> > >>>>> > That was last year and Samsung has updated them to 4.0.3 :-)
> >> > >>>>> >
> >> > >>>>> >
> >> > >>>>> > On Mon, Sep 17, 2012 at 2:29 PM, Joe Bowser <
> bowserj@gmail.com>
> >> > wrote:
> >> > >>>>> >
> >> > >>>>> >> On Mon, Sep 17, 2012 at 2:22 PM, Brion Vibber <
> >> > bvibber@wikimedia.org>
> >> > >>>>> >> wrote:
> >> > >>>>> >> >
> >> > >>>>> >> > I would not mind dropping 2.1; our apps for Wikipedia have
> >> been
> >> > 2.2+
> >> > >>>>> >> anyway
> >> > >>>>> >> > due to breakages in the 2.1 browser.
> >> > >>>>> >> >
> >> > >>>>> >> > 3/3.2 would be slightly sad to miss only because there are
> >> > Honeycomb
> >> > >>>>> >> > tablets that haven't received ICS updates, including my
> Galaxy
> >> > Tab
> >> > >>>>> 10.1
> >> > >>>>> >> but
> >> > >>>>> >> > ... let's be honest there's not a lot of them out there.
> I'm
> >> > not sure
> >> > >>>>> >> how
> >> > >>>>> >> > to blacklist those particular versions in the
> AndroidManifest
> >> > however
> >> > >>>>> >> while
> >> > >>>>> >> > still being compatible with 2.2/2.3...
> >> > >>>>> >> >
> >> > >>>>> >>
> >> > >>>>> >> That's a very good point. I'm almost convinced that the 3.1
> on
> >> > >>>>> >> Google's dashboard is literally the Samsung Galaxy Tab 10.1
> >> > devices
> >> > >>>>> >> that Google gave away at IO a couple of years ago that were
> >> pretty
> >> > >>>>> >> much orphaned by Samsung because they had a broken build.
> >> > >>>>> >>
> >> > >>>>> >> By far, Honeycomb was probably the worst version of Android
> >> ever,
> >> > and
> >> > >>>>> >> I've been using it since 1.0 and remember how bad 2.0 was
> when
> >> it
> >> > >>>>> >> first came out on the Droid/Milestone. We can't even
> deprecate
> >> it
> >> > >>>>> >> cleanly.
> >> > >>>>> >>
> >> > >>>>> >
> >> > >>>>> >
> >> > >>>>>
> >> >
> >>
>
Re: [Android] Android versioning phase-out (2.1 and 3.x)??
Posted by Filip Maj <fi...@adobe.com>.
Sounds like a new thread :)
On 9/18/12 11:23 AM, "Joe Bowser" <bo...@gmail.com> wrote:
>OK, How about we do the following:
>
>1. Announce that 2.1 will be dropped six months from now, as per our
>deprecation policy
>2. Keep support for Android 3.x for the time being and watch to see
>the percentages drop
>
>Honestly, I think our deprecation policy is far too long, but given
>how it was created, I understand the reason for it. What do people
>think?
>
>Joe
>
>On Tue, Sep 18, 2012 at 10:20 AM, Michael Brooks
><mi...@michaelbrooks.ca> wrote:
>>>
>>> 1. We are having a tough time finding and keeping Android 2.1 devices
>>> (most get upgraded to 2.3 or just die)
>>
>>
>> This is a pain-point that I've felt many times. When I have found a
>>device,
>> there are enough "quirks" on the browser that it's not worth the
>> development time to support the small percentage of users. Usually, I've
>> end up supporting 2.3+.
>>
>> +1 for dropping 2.1.
>>
>> I'll abstain from voting on Honeycomb because I have very little
>>experience
>> with that tablet / Android OS.
>>
>> Michael
>>
>> On Tue, Sep 18, 2012 at 8:06 AM, Braden Shepherdson
>><br...@chromium.org>wrote:
>>
>>> If manufacturers and carriers are rescuing the Galaxy Tabs (the only
>>> Honeycomb device with any real penetration, I think) then we can
>>>justify
>>> dropping support for it eventually. On the other hand, if the only
>>>thing
>>> stopping it is hardware acceleration, we could easily turn hardware
>>> acceleration back on and have a "how to fix Honeycomb" doc as Andrew
>>> suggested.
>>>
>>> +1 to dropping 2.1
>>>
>>>
>>> On Tue, Sep 18, 2012 at 7:24 AM, Brian LeRoux <b...@brian.io> wrote:
>>>
>>> > +1 for dropping 2.1
>>> > +1 for dropping 3.whatever-it-was honeycomb
>>> >
>>> > ...in 2.2 or should we issue a general warning and wait a couple of
>>> > releases?
>>> >
>>> >
>>> > On Tue, Sep 18, 2012 at 4:41 AM, Shazron <sh...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>> > > Apparently the wifi tablets were only updated last week to ICS
>>>(the 3G
>>> > > updates came first). Also, manual update:
>>> > >
>>> >
>>>
>>>http://www.androidauthority.com/galaxy-tab-10-1-p7510-android-4-0-4-ics-
>>>uelpl-update-official-110369/
>>> > >
>>> > > On Mon, Sep 17, 2012 at 7:36 PM, Shazron <sh...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>> > >> Verizon just announced today (yes today!):
>>> > >>
>>> >
>>>
>>>http://www.gottabemobile.com/2012/09/17/verizon-galaxy-tab-10-1-ice-crea
>>>m-sandwich-update-rolling-out-now/
>>> > >>
>>> > >> T-mobile announced 2 weeks back:
>>> > >>
>>> >
>>>
>>>http://www.engadget.com/2012/09/03/t-mobile-samsung-galaxy-tab-10-1-andr
>>>oid-ics-update/
>>> > >>
>>> > >> Apparently its available in Canada since end of August 2012:
>>> > >>
>>> >
>>>
>>>http://www.androidcentral.com/telus-bell-and-rogers-samsung-galaxy-tab-1
>>>01-andoid-404-updates-now-available
>>> > >>
>>> >
>>>
>>>http://communityforums.rogers.com/t5/forums/forumtopicpage/board-id/Gene
>>>ralCareSupport/message-id/355
>>> > >>
>>> > >> On Mon, Sep 17, 2012 at 7:20 PM, Simon MacDonald
>>> > >> <si...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>> > >>> Me either. My Galaxy 10.1 Tab is still running 3.1.
>>> > >>>
>>> > >>> Simon Mac Donald
>>> > >>> http://hi.im/simonmacdonald
>>> > >>>
>>> > >>>
>>> > >>> On Mon, Sep 17, 2012 at 8:39 PM, Joe Bowser <bo...@gmail.com>
>>> wrote:
>>> > >>>> Funny, I never got that update.
>>> > >>>> On Sep 17, 2012 5:34 PM, "Anis KADRI" <an...@gmail.com>
>>>wrote:
>>> > >>>>
>>> > >>>>> Talking about the Samsung Galaxy Tab 10.1
>>> > >>>>>
>>> > >>>>> On Mon, Sep 17, 2012 at 5:33 PM, Anis KADRI
>>><an...@gmail.com>
>>> > wrote:
>>> > >>>>>
>>> > >>>>> > That was last year and Samsung has updated them to 4.0.3 :-)
>>> > >>>>> >
>>> > >>>>> >
>>> > >>>>> > On Mon, Sep 17, 2012 at 2:29 PM, Joe Bowser
>>><bo...@gmail.com>
>>> > wrote:
>>> > >>>>> >
>>> > >>>>> >> On Mon, Sep 17, 2012 at 2:22 PM, Brion Vibber <
>>> > bvibber@wikimedia.org>
>>> > >>>>> >> wrote:
>>> > >>>>> >> >
>>> > >>>>> >> > I would not mind dropping 2.1; our apps for Wikipedia have
>>> been
>>> > 2.2+
>>> > >>>>> >> anyway
>>> > >>>>> >> > due to breakages in the 2.1 browser.
>>> > >>>>> >> >
>>> > >>>>> >> > 3/3.2 would be slightly sad to miss only because there are
>>> > Honeycomb
>>> > >>>>> >> > tablets that haven't received ICS updates, including my
>>>Galaxy
>>> > Tab
>>> > >>>>> 10.1
>>> > >>>>> >> but
>>> > >>>>> >> > ... let's be honest there's not a lot of them out there.
>>>I'm
>>> > not sure
>>> > >>>>> >> how
>>> > >>>>> >> > to blacklist those particular versions in the
>>>AndroidManifest
>>> > however
>>> > >>>>> >> while
>>> > >>>>> >> > still being compatible with 2.2/2.3...
>>> > >>>>> >> >
>>> > >>>>> >>
>>> > >>>>> >> That's a very good point. I'm almost convinced that the
>>>3.1 on
>>> > >>>>> >> Google's dashboard is literally the Samsung Galaxy Tab 10.1
>>> > devices
>>> > >>>>> >> that Google gave away at IO a couple of years ago that were
>>> pretty
>>> > >>>>> >> much orphaned by Samsung because they had a broken build.
>>> > >>>>> >>
>>> > >>>>> >> By far, Honeycomb was probably the worst version of Android
>>> ever,
>>> > and
>>> > >>>>> >> I've been using it since 1.0 and remember how bad 2.0 was
>>>when
>>> it
>>> > >>>>> >> first came out on the Droid/Milestone. We can't even
>>>deprecate
>>> it
>>> > >>>>> >> cleanly.
>>> > >>>>> >>
>>> > >>>>> >
>>> > >>>>> >
>>> > >>>>>
>>> >
>>>
Re: [Android] Android versioning phase-out (2.1 and 3.x)??
Posted by Joe Bowser <bo...@gmail.com>.
OK, How about we do the following:
1. Announce that 2.1 will be dropped six months from now, as per our
deprecation policy
2. Keep support for Android 3.x for the time being and watch to see
the percentages drop
Honestly, I think our deprecation policy is far too long, but given
how it was created, I understand the reason for it. What do people
think?
Joe
On Tue, Sep 18, 2012 at 10:20 AM, Michael Brooks
<mi...@michaelbrooks.ca> wrote:
>>
>> 1. We are having a tough time finding and keeping Android 2.1 devices
>> (most get upgraded to 2.3 or just die)
>
>
> This is a pain-point that I've felt many times. When I have found a device,
> there are enough "quirks" on the browser that it's not worth the
> development time to support the small percentage of users. Usually, I've
> end up supporting 2.3+.
>
> +1 for dropping 2.1.
>
> I'll abstain from voting on Honeycomb because I have very little experience
> with that tablet / Android OS.
>
> Michael
>
> On Tue, Sep 18, 2012 at 8:06 AM, Braden Shepherdson <br...@chromium.org>wrote:
>
>> If manufacturers and carriers are rescuing the Galaxy Tabs (the only
>> Honeycomb device with any real penetration, I think) then we can justify
>> dropping support for it eventually. On the other hand, if the only thing
>> stopping it is hardware acceleration, we could easily turn hardware
>> acceleration back on and have a "how to fix Honeycomb" doc as Andrew
>> suggested.
>>
>> +1 to dropping 2.1
>>
>>
>> On Tue, Sep 18, 2012 at 7:24 AM, Brian LeRoux <b...@brian.io> wrote:
>>
>> > +1 for dropping 2.1
>> > +1 for dropping 3.whatever-it-was honeycomb
>> >
>> > ...in 2.2 or should we issue a general warning and wait a couple of
>> > releases?
>> >
>> >
>> > On Tue, Sep 18, 2012 at 4:41 AM, Shazron <sh...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> > > Apparently the wifi tablets were only updated last week to ICS (the 3G
>> > > updates came first). Also, manual update:
>> > >
>> >
>> http://www.androidauthority.com/galaxy-tab-10-1-p7510-android-4-0-4-ics-uelpl-update-official-110369/
>> > >
>> > > On Mon, Sep 17, 2012 at 7:36 PM, Shazron <sh...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> > >> Verizon just announced today (yes today!):
>> > >>
>> >
>> http://www.gottabemobile.com/2012/09/17/verizon-galaxy-tab-10-1-ice-cream-sandwich-update-rolling-out-now/
>> > >>
>> > >> T-mobile announced 2 weeks back:
>> > >>
>> >
>> http://www.engadget.com/2012/09/03/t-mobile-samsung-galaxy-tab-10-1-android-ics-update/
>> > >>
>> > >> Apparently its available in Canada since end of August 2012:
>> > >>
>> >
>> http://www.androidcentral.com/telus-bell-and-rogers-samsung-galaxy-tab-101-andoid-404-updates-now-available
>> > >>
>> >
>> http://communityforums.rogers.com/t5/forums/forumtopicpage/board-id/GeneralCareSupport/message-id/355
>> > >>
>> > >> On Mon, Sep 17, 2012 at 7:20 PM, Simon MacDonald
>> > >> <si...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> > >>> Me either. My Galaxy 10.1 Tab is still running 3.1.
>> > >>>
>> > >>> Simon Mac Donald
>> > >>> http://hi.im/simonmacdonald
>> > >>>
>> > >>>
>> > >>> On Mon, Sep 17, 2012 at 8:39 PM, Joe Bowser <bo...@gmail.com>
>> wrote:
>> > >>>> Funny, I never got that update.
>> > >>>> On Sep 17, 2012 5:34 PM, "Anis KADRI" <an...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> > >>>>
>> > >>>>> Talking about the Samsung Galaxy Tab 10.1
>> > >>>>>
>> > >>>>> On Mon, Sep 17, 2012 at 5:33 PM, Anis KADRI <an...@gmail.com>
>> > wrote:
>> > >>>>>
>> > >>>>> > That was last year and Samsung has updated them to 4.0.3 :-)
>> > >>>>> >
>> > >>>>> >
>> > >>>>> > On Mon, Sep 17, 2012 at 2:29 PM, Joe Bowser <bo...@gmail.com>
>> > wrote:
>> > >>>>> >
>> > >>>>> >> On Mon, Sep 17, 2012 at 2:22 PM, Brion Vibber <
>> > bvibber@wikimedia.org>
>> > >>>>> >> wrote:
>> > >>>>> >> >
>> > >>>>> >> > I would not mind dropping 2.1; our apps for Wikipedia have
>> been
>> > 2.2+
>> > >>>>> >> anyway
>> > >>>>> >> > due to breakages in the 2.1 browser.
>> > >>>>> >> >
>> > >>>>> >> > 3/3.2 would be slightly sad to miss only because there are
>> > Honeycomb
>> > >>>>> >> > tablets that haven't received ICS updates, including my Galaxy
>> > Tab
>> > >>>>> 10.1
>> > >>>>> >> but
>> > >>>>> >> > ... let's be honest there's not a lot of them out there. I'm
>> > not sure
>> > >>>>> >> how
>> > >>>>> >> > to blacklist those particular versions in the AndroidManifest
>> > however
>> > >>>>> >> while
>> > >>>>> >> > still being compatible with 2.2/2.3...
>> > >>>>> >> >
>> > >>>>> >>
>> > >>>>> >> That's a very good point. I'm almost convinced that the 3.1 on
>> > >>>>> >> Google's dashboard is literally the Samsung Galaxy Tab 10.1
>> > devices
>> > >>>>> >> that Google gave away at IO a couple of years ago that were
>> pretty
>> > >>>>> >> much orphaned by Samsung because they had a broken build.
>> > >>>>> >>
>> > >>>>> >> By far, Honeycomb was probably the worst version of Android
>> ever,
>> > and
>> > >>>>> >> I've been using it since 1.0 and remember how bad 2.0 was when
>> it
>> > >>>>> >> first came out on the Droid/Milestone. We can't even deprecate
>> it
>> > >>>>> >> cleanly.
>> > >>>>> >>
>> > >>>>> >
>> > >>>>> >
>> > >>>>>
>> >
>>
Re: [Android] Android versioning phase-out (2.1 and 3.x)??
Posted by Michael Brooks <mi...@michaelbrooks.ca>.
>
> 1. We are having a tough time finding and keeping Android 2.1 devices
> (most get upgraded to 2.3 or just die)
This is a pain-point that I've felt many times. When I have found a device,
there are enough "quirks" on the browser that it's not worth the
development time to support the small percentage of users. Usually, I've
end up supporting 2.3+.
+1 for dropping 2.1.
I'll abstain from voting on Honeycomb because I have very little experience
with that tablet / Android OS.
Michael
On Tue, Sep 18, 2012 at 8:06 AM, Braden Shepherdson <br...@chromium.org>wrote:
> If manufacturers and carriers are rescuing the Galaxy Tabs (the only
> Honeycomb device with any real penetration, I think) then we can justify
> dropping support for it eventually. On the other hand, if the only thing
> stopping it is hardware acceleration, we could easily turn hardware
> acceleration back on and have a "how to fix Honeycomb" doc as Andrew
> suggested.
>
> +1 to dropping 2.1
>
>
> On Tue, Sep 18, 2012 at 7:24 AM, Brian LeRoux <b...@brian.io> wrote:
>
> > +1 for dropping 2.1
> > +1 for dropping 3.whatever-it-was honeycomb
> >
> > ...in 2.2 or should we issue a general warning and wait a couple of
> > releases?
> >
> >
> > On Tue, Sep 18, 2012 at 4:41 AM, Shazron <sh...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > > Apparently the wifi tablets were only updated last week to ICS (the 3G
> > > updates came first). Also, manual update:
> > >
> >
> http://www.androidauthority.com/galaxy-tab-10-1-p7510-android-4-0-4-ics-uelpl-update-official-110369/
> > >
> > > On Mon, Sep 17, 2012 at 7:36 PM, Shazron <sh...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > >> Verizon just announced today (yes today!):
> > >>
> >
> http://www.gottabemobile.com/2012/09/17/verizon-galaxy-tab-10-1-ice-cream-sandwich-update-rolling-out-now/
> > >>
> > >> T-mobile announced 2 weeks back:
> > >>
> >
> http://www.engadget.com/2012/09/03/t-mobile-samsung-galaxy-tab-10-1-android-ics-update/
> > >>
> > >> Apparently its available in Canada since end of August 2012:
> > >>
> >
> http://www.androidcentral.com/telus-bell-and-rogers-samsung-galaxy-tab-101-andoid-404-updates-now-available
> > >>
> >
> http://communityforums.rogers.com/t5/forums/forumtopicpage/board-id/GeneralCareSupport/message-id/355
> > >>
> > >> On Mon, Sep 17, 2012 at 7:20 PM, Simon MacDonald
> > >> <si...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > >>> Me either. My Galaxy 10.1 Tab is still running 3.1.
> > >>>
> > >>> Simon Mac Donald
> > >>> http://hi.im/simonmacdonald
> > >>>
> > >>>
> > >>> On Mon, Sep 17, 2012 at 8:39 PM, Joe Bowser <bo...@gmail.com>
> wrote:
> > >>>> Funny, I never got that update.
> > >>>> On Sep 17, 2012 5:34 PM, "Anis KADRI" <an...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > >>>>
> > >>>>> Talking about the Samsung Galaxy Tab 10.1
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>> On Mon, Sep 17, 2012 at 5:33 PM, Anis KADRI <an...@gmail.com>
> > wrote:
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>> > That was last year and Samsung has updated them to 4.0.3 :-)
> > >>>>> >
> > >>>>> >
> > >>>>> > On Mon, Sep 17, 2012 at 2:29 PM, Joe Bowser <bo...@gmail.com>
> > wrote:
> > >>>>> >
> > >>>>> >> On Mon, Sep 17, 2012 at 2:22 PM, Brion Vibber <
> > bvibber@wikimedia.org>
> > >>>>> >> wrote:
> > >>>>> >> >
> > >>>>> >> > I would not mind dropping 2.1; our apps for Wikipedia have
> been
> > 2.2+
> > >>>>> >> anyway
> > >>>>> >> > due to breakages in the 2.1 browser.
> > >>>>> >> >
> > >>>>> >> > 3/3.2 would be slightly sad to miss only because there are
> > Honeycomb
> > >>>>> >> > tablets that haven't received ICS updates, including my Galaxy
> > Tab
> > >>>>> 10.1
> > >>>>> >> but
> > >>>>> >> > ... let's be honest there's not a lot of them out there. I'm
> > not sure
> > >>>>> >> how
> > >>>>> >> > to blacklist those particular versions in the AndroidManifest
> > however
> > >>>>> >> while
> > >>>>> >> > still being compatible with 2.2/2.3...
> > >>>>> >> >
> > >>>>> >>
> > >>>>> >> That's a very good point. I'm almost convinced that the 3.1 on
> > >>>>> >> Google's dashboard is literally the Samsung Galaxy Tab 10.1
> > devices
> > >>>>> >> that Google gave away at IO a couple of years ago that were
> pretty
> > >>>>> >> much orphaned by Samsung because they had a broken build.
> > >>>>> >>
> > >>>>> >> By far, Honeycomb was probably the worst version of Android
> ever,
> > and
> > >>>>> >> I've been using it since 1.0 and remember how bad 2.0 was when
> it
> > >>>>> >> first came out on the Droid/Milestone. We can't even deprecate
> it
> > >>>>> >> cleanly.
> > >>>>> >>
> > >>>>> >
> > >>>>> >
> > >>>>>
> >
>
Re: [Android] Android versioning phase-out (2.1 and 3.x)??
Posted by Braden Shepherdson <br...@chromium.org>.
If manufacturers and carriers are rescuing the Galaxy Tabs (the only
Honeycomb device with any real penetration, I think) then we can justify
dropping support for it eventually. On the other hand, if the only thing
stopping it is hardware acceleration, we could easily turn hardware
acceleration back on and have a "how to fix Honeycomb" doc as Andrew
suggested.
+1 to dropping 2.1
On Tue, Sep 18, 2012 at 7:24 AM, Brian LeRoux <b...@brian.io> wrote:
> +1 for dropping 2.1
> +1 for dropping 3.whatever-it-was honeycomb
>
> ...in 2.2 or should we issue a general warning and wait a couple of
> releases?
>
>
> On Tue, Sep 18, 2012 at 4:41 AM, Shazron <sh...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > Apparently the wifi tablets were only updated last week to ICS (the 3G
> > updates came first). Also, manual update:
> >
> http://www.androidauthority.com/galaxy-tab-10-1-p7510-android-4-0-4-ics-uelpl-update-official-110369/
> >
> > On Mon, Sep 17, 2012 at 7:36 PM, Shazron <sh...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >> Verizon just announced today (yes today!):
> >>
> http://www.gottabemobile.com/2012/09/17/verizon-galaxy-tab-10-1-ice-cream-sandwich-update-rolling-out-now/
> >>
> >> T-mobile announced 2 weeks back:
> >>
> http://www.engadget.com/2012/09/03/t-mobile-samsung-galaxy-tab-10-1-android-ics-update/
> >>
> >> Apparently its available in Canada since end of August 2012:
> >>
> http://www.androidcentral.com/telus-bell-and-rogers-samsung-galaxy-tab-101-andoid-404-updates-now-available
> >>
> http://communityforums.rogers.com/t5/forums/forumtopicpage/board-id/GeneralCareSupport/message-id/355
> >>
> >> On Mon, Sep 17, 2012 at 7:20 PM, Simon MacDonald
> >> <si...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >>> Me either. My Galaxy 10.1 Tab is still running 3.1.
> >>>
> >>> Simon Mac Donald
> >>> http://hi.im/simonmacdonald
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> On Mon, Sep 17, 2012 at 8:39 PM, Joe Bowser <bo...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >>>> Funny, I never got that update.
> >>>> On Sep 17, 2012 5:34 PM, "Anis KADRI" <an...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >>>>
> >>>>> Talking about the Samsung Galaxy Tab 10.1
> >>>>>
> >>>>> On Mon, Sep 17, 2012 at 5:33 PM, Anis KADRI <an...@gmail.com>
> wrote:
> >>>>>
> >>>>> > That was last year and Samsung has updated them to 4.0.3 :-)
> >>>>> >
> >>>>> >
> >>>>> > On Mon, Sep 17, 2012 at 2:29 PM, Joe Bowser <bo...@gmail.com>
> wrote:
> >>>>> >
> >>>>> >> On Mon, Sep 17, 2012 at 2:22 PM, Brion Vibber <
> bvibber@wikimedia.org>
> >>>>> >> wrote:
> >>>>> >> >
> >>>>> >> > I would not mind dropping 2.1; our apps for Wikipedia have been
> 2.2+
> >>>>> >> anyway
> >>>>> >> > due to breakages in the 2.1 browser.
> >>>>> >> >
> >>>>> >> > 3/3.2 would be slightly sad to miss only because there are
> Honeycomb
> >>>>> >> > tablets that haven't received ICS updates, including my Galaxy
> Tab
> >>>>> 10.1
> >>>>> >> but
> >>>>> >> > ... let's be honest there's not a lot of them out there. I'm
> not sure
> >>>>> >> how
> >>>>> >> > to blacklist those particular versions in the AndroidManifest
> however
> >>>>> >> while
> >>>>> >> > still being compatible with 2.2/2.3...
> >>>>> >> >
> >>>>> >>
> >>>>> >> That's a very good point. I'm almost convinced that the 3.1 on
> >>>>> >> Google's dashboard is literally the Samsung Galaxy Tab 10.1
> devices
> >>>>> >> that Google gave away at IO a couple of years ago that were pretty
> >>>>> >> much orphaned by Samsung because they had a broken build.
> >>>>> >>
> >>>>> >> By far, Honeycomb was probably the worst version of Android ever,
> and
> >>>>> >> I've been using it since 1.0 and remember how bad 2.0 was when it
> >>>>> >> first came out on the Droid/Milestone. We can't even deprecate it
> >>>>> >> cleanly.
> >>>>> >>
> >>>>> >
> >>>>> >
> >>>>>
>
Re: [Android] Android versioning phase-out (2.1 and 3.x)??
Posted by Brian LeRoux <b...@brian.io>.
+1 for dropping 2.1
+1 for dropping 3.whatever-it-was honeycomb
...in 2.2 or should we issue a general warning and wait a couple of releases?
On Tue, Sep 18, 2012 at 4:41 AM, Shazron <sh...@gmail.com> wrote:
> Apparently the wifi tablets were only updated last week to ICS (the 3G
> updates came first). Also, manual update:
> http://www.androidauthority.com/galaxy-tab-10-1-p7510-android-4-0-4-ics-uelpl-update-official-110369/
>
> On Mon, Sep 17, 2012 at 7:36 PM, Shazron <sh...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> Verizon just announced today (yes today!):
>> http://www.gottabemobile.com/2012/09/17/verizon-galaxy-tab-10-1-ice-cream-sandwich-update-rolling-out-now/
>>
>> T-mobile announced 2 weeks back:
>> http://www.engadget.com/2012/09/03/t-mobile-samsung-galaxy-tab-10-1-android-ics-update/
>>
>> Apparently its available in Canada since end of August 2012:
>> http://www.androidcentral.com/telus-bell-and-rogers-samsung-galaxy-tab-101-andoid-404-updates-now-available
>> http://communityforums.rogers.com/t5/forums/forumtopicpage/board-id/GeneralCareSupport/message-id/355
>>
>> On Mon, Sep 17, 2012 at 7:20 PM, Simon MacDonald
>> <si...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>> Me either. My Galaxy 10.1 Tab is still running 3.1.
>>>
>>> Simon Mac Donald
>>> http://hi.im/simonmacdonald
>>>
>>>
>>> On Mon, Sep 17, 2012 at 8:39 PM, Joe Bowser <bo...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>> Funny, I never got that update.
>>>> On Sep 17, 2012 5:34 PM, "Anis KADRI" <an...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Talking about the Samsung Galaxy Tab 10.1
>>>>>
>>>>> On Mon, Sep 17, 2012 at 5:33 PM, Anis KADRI <an...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> > That was last year and Samsung has updated them to 4.0.3 :-)
>>>>> >
>>>>> >
>>>>> > On Mon, Sep 17, 2012 at 2:29 PM, Joe Bowser <bo...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>> >
>>>>> >> On Mon, Sep 17, 2012 at 2:22 PM, Brion Vibber <bv...@wikimedia.org>
>>>>> >> wrote:
>>>>> >> >
>>>>> >> > I would not mind dropping 2.1; our apps for Wikipedia have been 2.2+
>>>>> >> anyway
>>>>> >> > due to breakages in the 2.1 browser.
>>>>> >> >
>>>>> >> > 3/3.2 would be slightly sad to miss only because there are Honeycomb
>>>>> >> > tablets that haven't received ICS updates, including my Galaxy Tab
>>>>> 10.1
>>>>> >> but
>>>>> >> > ... let's be honest there's not a lot of them out there. I'm not sure
>>>>> >> how
>>>>> >> > to blacklist those particular versions in the AndroidManifest however
>>>>> >> while
>>>>> >> > still being compatible with 2.2/2.3...
>>>>> >> >
>>>>> >>
>>>>> >> That's a very good point. I'm almost convinced that the 3.1 on
>>>>> >> Google's dashboard is literally the Samsung Galaxy Tab 10.1 devices
>>>>> >> that Google gave away at IO a couple of years ago that were pretty
>>>>> >> much orphaned by Samsung because they had a broken build.
>>>>> >>
>>>>> >> By far, Honeycomb was probably the worst version of Android ever, and
>>>>> >> I've been using it since 1.0 and remember how bad 2.0 was when it
>>>>> >> first came out on the Droid/Milestone. We can't even deprecate it
>>>>> >> cleanly.
>>>>> >>
>>>>> >
>>>>> >
>>>>>
Re: [Android] Android versioning phase-out (2.1 and 3.x)??
Posted by Shazron <sh...@gmail.com>.
Apparently the wifi tablets were only updated last week to ICS (the 3G
updates came first). Also, manual update:
http://www.androidauthority.com/galaxy-tab-10-1-p7510-android-4-0-4-ics-uelpl-update-official-110369/
On Mon, Sep 17, 2012 at 7:36 PM, Shazron <sh...@gmail.com> wrote:
> Verizon just announced today (yes today!):
> http://www.gottabemobile.com/2012/09/17/verizon-galaxy-tab-10-1-ice-cream-sandwich-update-rolling-out-now/
>
> T-mobile announced 2 weeks back:
> http://www.engadget.com/2012/09/03/t-mobile-samsung-galaxy-tab-10-1-android-ics-update/
>
> Apparently its available in Canada since end of August 2012:
> http://www.androidcentral.com/telus-bell-and-rogers-samsung-galaxy-tab-101-andoid-404-updates-now-available
> http://communityforums.rogers.com/t5/forums/forumtopicpage/board-id/GeneralCareSupport/message-id/355
>
> On Mon, Sep 17, 2012 at 7:20 PM, Simon MacDonald
> <si...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> Me either. My Galaxy 10.1 Tab is still running 3.1.
>>
>> Simon Mac Donald
>> http://hi.im/simonmacdonald
>>
>>
>> On Mon, Sep 17, 2012 at 8:39 PM, Joe Bowser <bo...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>> Funny, I never got that update.
>>> On Sep 17, 2012 5:34 PM, "Anis KADRI" <an...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>> Talking about the Samsung Galaxy Tab 10.1
>>>>
>>>> On Mon, Sep 17, 2012 at 5:33 PM, Anis KADRI <an...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> > That was last year and Samsung has updated them to 4.0.3 :-)
>>>> >
>>>> >
>>>> > On Mon, Sep 17, 2012 at 2:29 PM, Joe Bowser <bo...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>> >
>>>> >> On Mon, Sep 17, 2012 at 2:22 PM, Brion Vibber <bv...@wikimedia.org>
>>>> >> wrote:
>>>> >> >
>>>> >> > I would not mind dropping 2.1; our apps for Wikipedia have been 2.2+
>>>> >> anyway
>>>> >> > due to breakages in the 2.1 browser.
>>>> >> >
>>>> >> > 3/3.2 would be slightly sad to miss only because there are Honeycomb
>>>> >> > tablets that haven't received ICS updates, including my Galaxy Tab
>>>> 10.1
>>>> >> but
>>>> >> > ... let's be honest there's not a lot of them out there. I'm not sure
>>>> >> how
>>>> >> > to blacklist those particular versions in the AndroidManifest however
>>>> >> while
>>>> >> > still being compatible with 2.2/2.3...
>>>> >> >
>>>> >>
>>>> >> That's a very good point. I'm almost convinced that the 3.1 on
>>>> >> Google's dashboard is literally the Samsung Galaxy Tab 10.1 devices
>>>> >> that Google gave away at IO a couple of years ago that were pretty
>>>> >> much orphaned by Samsung because they had a broken build.
>>>> >>
>>>> >> By far, Honeycomb was probably the worst version of Android ever, and
>>>> >> I've been using it since 1.0 and remember how bad 2.0 was when it
>>>> >> first came out on the Droid/Milestone. We can't even deprecate it
>>>> >> cleanly.
>>>> >>
>>>> >
>>>> >
>>>>
Re: [Android] Android versioning phase-out (2.1 and 3.x)??
Posted by Shazron <sh...@gmail.com>.
Verizon just announced today (yes today!):
http://www.gottabemobile.com/2012/09/17/verizon-galaxy-tab-10-1-ice-cream-sandwich-update-rolling-out-now/
T-mobile announced 2 weeks back:
http://www.engadget.com/2012/09/03/t-mobile-samsung-galaxy-tab-10-1-android-ics-update/
Apparently its available in Canada since end of August 2012:
http://www.androidcentral.com/telus-bell-and-rogers-samsung-galaxy-tab-101-andoid-404-updates-now-available
http://communityforums.rogers.com/t5/forums/forumtopicpage/board-id/GeneralCareSupport/message-id/355
On Mon, Sep 17, 2012 at 7:20 PM, Simon MacDonald
<si...@gmail.com> wrote:
> Me either. My Galaxy 10.1 Tab is still running 3.1.
>
> Simon Mac Donald
> http://hi.im/simonmacdonald
>
>
> On Mon, Sep 17, 2012 at 8:39 PM, Joe Bowser <bo...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> Funny, I never got that update.
>> On Sep 17, 2012 5:34 PM, "Anis KADRI" <an...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>> Talking about the Samsung Galaxy Tab 10.1
>>>
>>> On Mon, Sep 17, 2012 at 5:33 PM, Anis KADRI <an...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>
>>> > That was last year and Samsung has updated them to 4.0.3 :-)
>>> >
>>> >
>>> > On Mon, Sep 17, 2012 at 2:29 PM, Joe Bowser <bo...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>> >
>>> >> On Mon, Sep 17, 2012 at 2:22 PM, Brion Vibber <bv...@wikimedia.org>
>>> >> wrote:
>>> >> >
>>> >> > I would not mind dropping 2.1; our apps for Wikipedia have been 2.2+
>>> >> anyway
>>> >> > due to breakages in the 2.1 browser.
>>> >> >
>>> >> > 3/3.2 would be slightly sad to miss only because there are Honeycomb
>>> >> > tablets that haven't received ICS updates, including my Galaxy Tab
>>> 10.1
>>> >> but
>>> >> > ... let's be honest there's not a lot of them out there. I'm not sure
>>> >> how
>>> >> > to blacklist those particular versions in the AndroidManifest however
>>> >> while
>>> >> > still being compatible with 2.2/2.3...
>>> >> >
>>> >>
>>> >> That's a very good point. I'm almost convinced that the 3.1 on
>>> >> Google's dashboard is literally the Samsung Galaxy Tab 10.1 devices
>>> >> that Google gave away at IO a couple of years ago that were pretty
>>> >> much orphaned by Samsung because they had a broken build.
>>> >>
>>> >> By far, Honeycomb was probably the worst version of Android ever, and
>>> >> I've been using it since 1.0 and remember how bad 2.0 was when it
>>> >> first came out on the Droid/Milestone. We can't even deprecate it
>>> >> cleanly.
>>> >>
>>> >
>>> >
>>>
Re: [Android] Android versioning phase-out (2.1 and 3.x)??
Posted by Simon MacDonald <si...@gmail.com>.
Me either. My Galaxy 10.1 Tab is still running 3.1.
Simon Mac Donald
http://hi.im/simonmacdonald
On Mon, Sep 17, 2012 at 8:39 PM, Joe Bowser <bo...@gmail.com> wrote:
> Funny, I never got that update.
> On Sep 17, 2012 5:34 PM, "Anis KADRI" <an...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> Talking about the Samsung Galaxy Tab 10.1
>>
>> On Mon, Sep 17, 2012 at 5:33 PM, Anis KADRI <an...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>> > That was last year and Samsung has updated them to 4.0.3 :-)
>> >
>> >
>> > On Mon, Sep 17, 2012 at 2:29 PM, Joe Bowser <bo...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> >
>> >> On Mon, Sep 17, 2012 at 2:22 PM, Brion Vibber <bv...@wikimedia.org>
>> >> wrote:
>> >> >
>> >> > I would not mind dropping 2.1; our apps for Wikipedia have been 2.2+
>> >> anyway
>> >> > due to breakages in the 2.1 browser.
>> >> >
>> >> > 3/3.2 would be slightly sad to miss only because there are Honeycomb
>> >> > tablets that haven't received ICS updates, including my Galaxy Tab
>> 10.1
>> >> but
>> >> > ... let's be honest there's not a lot of them out there. I'm not sure
>> >> how
>> >> > to blacklist those particular versions in the AndroidManifest however
>> >> while
>> >> > still being compatible with 2.2/2.3...
>> >> >
>> >>
>> >> That's a very good point. I'm almost convinced that the 3.1 on
>> >> Google's dashboard is literally the Samsung Galaxy Tab 10.1 devices
>> >> that Google gave away at IO a couple of years ago that were pretty
>> >> much orphaned by Samsung because they had a broken build.
>> >>
>> >> By far, Honeycomb was probably the worst version of Android ever, and
>> >> I've been using it since 1.0 and remember how bad 2.0 was when it
>> >> first came out on the Droid/Milestone. We can't even deprecate it
>> >> cleanly.
>> >>
>> >
>> >
>>
Re: [Android] Android versioning phase-out (2.1 and 3.x)??
Posted by Joe Bowser <bo...@gmail.com>.
Funny, I never got that update.
On Sep 17, 2012 5:34 PM, "Anis KADRI" <an...@gmail.com> wrote:
> Talking about the Samsung Galaxy Tab 10.1
>
> On Mon, Sep 17, 2012 at 5:33 PM, Anis KADRI <an...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > That was last year and Samsung has updated them to 4.0.3 :-)
> >
> >
> > On Mon, Sep 17, 2012 at 2:29 PM, Joe Bowser <bo...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >
> >> On Mon, Sep 17, 2012 at 2:22 PM, Brion Vibber <bv...@wikimedia.org>
> >> wrote:
> >> >
> >> > I would not mind dropping 2.1; our apps for Wikipedia have been 2.2+
> >> anyway
> >> > due to breakages in the 2.1 browser.
> >> >
> >> > 3/3.2 would be slightly sad to miss only because there are Honeycomb
> >> > tablets that haven't received ICS updates, including my Galaxy Tab
> 10.1
> >> but
> >> > ... let's be honest there's not a lot of them out there. I'm not sure
> >> how
> >> > to blacklist those particular versions in the AndroidManifest however
> >> while
> >> > still being compatible with 2.2/2.3...
> >> >
> >>
> >> That's a very good point. I'm almost convinced that the 3.1 on
> >> Google's dashboard is literally the Samsung Galaxy Tab 10.1 devices
> >> that Google gave away at IO a couple of years ago that were pretty
> >> much orphaned by Samsung because they had a broken build.
> >>
> >> By far, Honeycomb was probably the worst version of Android ever, and
> >> I've been using it since 1.0 and remember how bad 2.0 was when it
> >> first came out on the Droid/Milestone. We can't even deprecate it
> >> cleanly.
> >>
> >
> >
>
Re: [Android] Android versioning phase-out (2.1 and 3.x)??
Posted by Anis KADRI <an...@gmail.com>.
Talking about the Samsung Galaxy Tab 10.1
On Mon, Sep 17, 2012 at 5:33 PM, Anis KADRI <an...@gmail.com> wrote:
> That was last year and Samsung has updated them to 4.0.3 :-)
>
>
> On Mon, Sep 17, 2012 at 2:29 PM, Joe Bowser <bo...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> On Mon, Sep 17, 2012 at 2:22 PM, Brion Vibber <bv...@wikimedia.org>
>> wrote:
>> >
>> > I would not mind dropping 2.1; our apps for Wikipedia have been 2.2+
>> anyway
>> > due to breakages in the 2.1 browser.
>> >
>> > 3/3.2 would be slightly sad to miss only because there are Honeycomb
>> > tablets that haven't received ICS updates, including my Galaxy Tab 10.1
>> but
>> > ... let's be honest there's not a lot of them out there. I'm not sure
>> how
>> > to blacklist those particular versions in the AndroidManifest however
>> while
>> > still being compatible with 2.2/2.3...
>> >
>>
>> That's a very good point. I'm almost convinced that the 3.1 on
>> Google's dashboard is literally the Samsung Galaxy Tab 10.1 devices
>> that Google gave away at IO a couple of years ago that were pretty
>> much orphaned by Samsung because they had a broken build.
>>
>> By far, Honeycomb was probably the worst version of Android ever, and
>> I've been using it since 1.0 and remember how bad 2.0 was when it
>> first came out on the Droid/Milestone. We can't even deprecate it
>> cleanly.
>>
>
>
Re: [Android] Android versioning phase-out (2.1 and 3.x)??
Posted by Anis KADRI <an...@gmail.com>.
That was last year and Samsung has updated them to 4.0.3 :-)
On Mon, Sep 17, 2012 at 2:29 PM, Joe Bowser <bo...@gmail.com> wrote:
> On Mon, Sep 17, 2012 at 2:22 PM, Brion Vibber <bv...@wikimedia.org>
> wrote:
> >
> > I would not mind dropping 2.1; our apps for Wikipedia have been 2.2+
> anyway
> > due to breakages in the 2.1 browser.
> >
> > 3/3.2 would be slightly sad to miss only because there are Honeycomb
> > tablets that haven't received ICS updates, including my Galaxy Tab 10.1
> but
> > ... let's be honest there's not a lot of them out there. I'm not sure how
> > to blacklist those particular versions in the AndroidManifest however
> while
> > still being compatible with 2.2/2.3...
> >
>
> That's a very good point. I'm almost convinced that the 3.1 on
> Google's dashboard is literally the Samsung Galaxy Tab 10.1 devices
> that Google gave away at IO a couple of years ago that were pretty
> much orphaned by Samsung because they had a broken build.
>
> By far, Honeycomb was probably the worst version of Android ever, and
> I've been using it since 1.0 and remember how bad 2.0 was when it
> first came out on the Droid/Milestone. We can't even deprecate it
> cleanly.
>
Re: [Android] Android versioning phase-out (2.1 and 3.x)??
Posted by Andrew Grieve <ag...@chromium.org>.
+1 to dropping 2.1. It's unlikely that people with 2.1 find much at all in
the Play Store that is up-to-date, and they can always use older versions
of apps that did support them.
+1 to dropping Honeycomb in terms of there are very few devices out there.
Although maybe if it's just that hardware accelerated flag that's the
issue, we could add a "How to add support for HC" in the wiki explaining
the issue.
On Mon, Sep 17, 2012 at 5:29 PM, Joe Bowser <bo...@gmail.com> wrote:
> On Mon, Sep 17, 2012 at 2:22 PM, Brion Vibber <bv...@wikimedia.org>
> wrote:
> >
> > I would not mind dropping 2.1; our apps for Wikipedia have been 2.2+
> anyway
> > due to breakages in the 2.1 browser.
> >
> > 3/3.2 would be slightly sad to miss only because there are Honeycomb
> > tablets that haven't received ICS updates, including my Galaxy Tab 10.1
> but
> > ... let's be honest there's not a lot of them out there. I'm not sure how
> > to blacklist those particular versions in the AndroidManifest however
> while
> > still being compatible with 2.2/2.3...
> >
>
> That's a very good point. I'm almost convinced that the 3.1 on
> Google's dashboard is literally the Samsung Galaxy Tab 10.1 devices
> that Google gave away at IO a couple of years ago that were pretty
> much orphaned by Samsung because they had a broken build.
>
> By far, Honeycomb was probably the worst version of Android ever, and
> I've been using it since 1.0 and remember how bad 2.0 was when it
> first came out on the Droid/Milestone. We can't even deprecate it
> cleanly.
>
Re: [Android] Android versioning phase-out (2.1 and 3.x)??
Posted by Joe Bowser <bo...@gmail.com>.
On Mon, Sep 17, 2012 at 2:22 PM, Brion Vibber <bv...@wikimedia.org> wrote:
>
> I would not mind dropping 2.1; our apps for Wikipedia have been 2.2+ anyway
> due to breakages in the 2.1 browser.
>
> 3/3.2 would be slightly sad to miss only because there are Honeycomb
> tablets that haven't received ICS updates, including my Galaxy Tab 10.1 but
> ... let's be honest there's not a lot of them out there. I'm not sure how
> to blacklist those particular versions in the AndroidManifest however while
> still being compatible with 2.2/2.3...
>
That's a very good point. I'm almost convinced that the 3.1 on
Google's dashboard is literally the Samsung Galaxy Tab 10.1 devices
that Google gave away at IO a couple of years ago that were pretty
much orphaned by Samsung because they had a broken build.
By far, Honeycomb was probably the worst version of Android ever, and
I've been using it since 1.0 and remember how bad 2.0 was when it
first came out on the Droid/Milestone. We can't even deprecate it
cleanly.
Re: [Android] Android versioning phase-out (2.1 and 3.x)??
Posted by Brion Vibber <bv...@wikimedia.org>.
On Mon, Sep 17, 2012 at 1:57 PM, Joe Bowser <bo...@gmail.com> wrote:
> So, if we remove support for Honeycomb and Eclair and stick to Froyo,
> Gingerbread, ICS and Jellybean, we should be able to eliminate most of
> our pain points, and only not support 5.8% of Android users. I don't
> know if this is acceptable, and whether we should continue supporting
> 2.1 and 3.x forever, but given that we deprecated support for 1.x, I
> think there's precedent for it.
>
I would not mind dropping 2.1; our apps for Wikipedia have been 2.2+ anyway
due to breakages in the 2.1 browser.
3/3.2 would be slightly sad to miss only because there are Honeycomb
tablets that haven't received ICS updates, including my Galaxy Tab 10.1 but
... let's be honest there's not a lot of them out there. I'm not sure how
to blacklist those particular versions in the AndroidManifest however while
still being compatible with 2.2/2.3...
-- brion vibber (brion @ pobox.com / bvibber @ wikimedia.org)
Re: [Android] Android versioning phase-out (2.1 and 3.x)??
Posted by Filip Maj <fi...@adobe.com>.
I think keeping it above 95% is good.. Not sure. I will abstain from this
vote.
On 9/17/12 1:57 PM, "Joe Bowser" <bo...@gmail.com> wrote:
>Hey
>
>Currently, we support 99.4% of all Android devices out in the wild.
>That's great, but in reality we're having the following problems with
>this approach:
>
>1. We are having a tough time finding and keeping Android 2.1 devices
>(most get upgraded to 2.3 or just die)
>2. The devices we do have are over three years old and/or are total
>garbage
>3. We have a dependency, commons-codec, which we have to currently
>track so that it doesn't break the script. This JAR is so we can
>support Base64 on Android 2.1. (on 3.7% of all Android devices)
>
>And those are the problems with supporting Android 2.1 off the top of
>my head, not even getting into the crap state of the Android browser.
>Then there's the Honeycomb tablets:
>
>1. Hardware acceleration is broken
>
>So, if we remove support for Honeycomb and Eclair and stick to Froyo,
>Gingerbread, ICS and Jellybean, we should be able to eliminate most of
>our pain points, and only not support 5.8% of Android users. I don't
>know if this is acceptable, and whether we should continue supporting
>2.1 and 3.x forever, but given that we deprecated support for 1.x, I
>think there's precedent for it.
>
>Thoughts?
>
>Joe