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Posted to dev@cloudstack.apache.org by Sebastien Goasguen <ru...@gmail.com> on 2016/01/12 17:20:44 UTC
Thoughts on Citrix announcement yesterday
Hi everyone (cross-posting),
Yesterday Citrix announced that it sold its CloudPlatform business to Accelerite from Persistent Systems [1]
As you know CloudPlatform is Citrix’s commercial distribution of Apache CloudStack. I wanted to share a few thoughts on what this means for CloudStack.
One of the core tenet of the Apache Software Foundation is non-affiliation to companies, as such all of us on these lists participate and contribute to CloudStack as individuals. While the majority of us who are contributing daily to CloudStack are actually doing it as part of our day jobs we still voice our opinions as individuals and companies do not (and should not) have influence on what we do. This is one of the things that makes ASF great. This is also one of the reasons why the ASF and us as a project will not comment on this announcement. It is Citrix’s business, not ours.
That said, Citrix gave CloudStack to the ASF back in 2012 and contributed heavily in the early days to its development and maintenance. We should be thankful to Citrix for donating this software and helping the community grow. Giving it to the ASF was also the move that allows us to keep on going like “business” as usual. We as a project do not depend on Citrix. Hence Citrix selling its CloudPlatform business does not change our day to day.
Over the years it is fair to say that Citrix involvement through the many individuals participating on these lists as diminished, with the vast majority of the work now carried on by others. If we were to do a ASF “faux-pas” and actually check affiliation of the folks that are doing most of the development and release work, we would see other companies than Citrix. Companies offering CloudStack services but also and mostly CloudStack users, a few doing it as a hobby and most because their company uses it. This is open source at its core, folks using a software, loving it, loving their peers, and contributing back for the benefit of everyone.
It is impossible for me to say what Accelerite will do, I have had no contact with them so far and did not know this sale was coming. Neither do I know what will happen to all the fine Citrix engineers that were still working on CloudStack. Whatever they do, I wish them the best and thank them for the dedication to our project over the years. Early indication from the press release seems to indicate that Accelerite will engage with us. If they do, we will welcome them like any contributors to an ASF project. With openness, transparency and respect (the Apache way).
I do want to mention that I think this may be an opportunity for CloudStack. Observers might think that our project is dead because of Citrix selling its business, but they would be mis-informed about the nature of ASF projects. I actually believe the contrary and think this will be a time where more users and potentially companies will engage more actively. They will see that the route to a successful Cloud is through engaging and becoming part of our community. They will also finally stop thinking that CloudStack is a Citrix product and that might be the kicker that brings them on board.
Finally, being a technical guy, I like to focus on technical things. We have done some great strides over the past 8 months, we have stabilized CloudStack and are now releasing faster than ever, we have dockerized, we have pluginized, we have had several events... In september we will go to Brazil for CCC. Brazil is seeing a huge growth in CloudStack adoption.
We still have a ton to do, from removing technical debt, fixing security issues, improving packaging, making CloudStack ever more easier to develop and use. This has not changed. We have some very important discussions going on around LTS and GitHub hosting. If anything I think the container movement is a bigger threat to our project than Citrix’s announcement. As companies start to embrace the container ecosystem and building containerized applications, what happens to CloudStack ? How does CloudStack work in a container world ? The same question are valid for OpenStack by the way, I just don’t buy into the Magnum effort, but I digress :)
So thank you Citrix, we hope to welcome Accelerite and let’s keep on Stacking,
[1] https://www.citrix.com/blogs/2016/01/11/a-new-home-accelerite-to-acquire-cloudplatform/
-Sebastien
VP Apache CloudStack
AW: Thoughts on Citrix announcement yesterday
Posted by Walter,
André <An...@bitgroup.de>.
Being quite new to the community, it is hard for me to judge on this announcement/change.
But anyway, for me and my colleagues this does not change our (hopefully growing ;-)) engagement and I cannot see any negative impact.
I am just looking forward for contributing for a good thing (therefore we choose ASF and not “Citrix Cloud Stack” ;-))
Best regards.
André Walter
Area Manager- Cloud Services
BIT.Group GmbH
T +49 3591 5253 1415
F +49 3591 5253 9999
M +49 160 90822573
E andre.walter@bitgroup.de<ma...@bitgroup.de>
Von: Giles Sirett [mailto:giles.sirett@shapeblue.com]
Gesendet: Mittwoch, 13. Januar 2016 17:48
An: dev@cloudstack.apache.org
Cc: private@cloudstack.apache.org; users@cloudstack.apache.org; marketing@cloudstack.apache.org
Betreff: RE: Thoughts on Citrix announcement yesterday
Sebastien - thanks for your message
I also echo your thoughts: I agree this is not an issue for the project or ASF to comment on but hopefully, at long last this, *may* stop people referring to "Citrix CloudStack" !
I hope that the individual contributors who are affected by this news are able to continue being part of this - and I really hope that they can bring some new colleagues with them.
Like Ian, the people we work with here greatly value ACS and recognise its true value.
So, the outside world may see this as a major change, but here in the community I see business as usual, I see things being in really good shape, I see healthy collaboration and debate......and great software being created. Long may that continue
Kind Regards
Giles
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From: Ian Rae [mailto:irae@cloudops.com]
Sent: 13 January 2016 11:39
To: dev@cloudstack.apache.org<ma...@cloudstack.apache.org>
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Subject: Re: Thoughts on Citrix announcement yesterday
Sebastien, echoing your comments and sentiments. We understand Citrix has a market driven imperative to focus on their core products and services, and thank them for kickstarting and enabling this awesome Apache community that represents an end-user driven cloud orchestration tool of great value, that is relatively simple to install and operate allowing people to focus on consuming cloud resources instead of building and babysitting them. There is a sustainable market in solving for easy, cheap and reliable.
Consider that in many tales, the hero being discounted as dead is often a key advantage, and emerges from a plot twist to “win" the day. What that will be is up to the community, old and new, to determine. I am happy to share the excitement and optimism of the many end users CloudOps works with every day who value Apache CloudStack for “just working”.
On Tue, Jan 12, 2016 at 8:36 AM, Nux! <nu...@li.nux.ro>> wrote:
> Hi Sebastien,
>
> Thanks for your thoughts! I for one am being optimistic about this change.
>
> I'm also not worried about containers, I think you've spent too much
> time among hammers and now everything looks like a nail. :-)
>
> There is a massive load of stuff that at the moment needs (data
> centre) virtualisation and Cloudstack is in a better shape than ever
> to take care of that.
>
> So long Citrix and thanks for all the fish!
> Hello Accelerite!
>
> My 2 pence,
> Lucian
>
> --
> Sent from the Delta quadrant using Borg technology!
>
> Nux!
> www.nux.ro<http://www.nux.ro>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "Sebastien Goasguen" <ru...@gmail.com>>
> > To: dev@cloudstack.apache.org<ma...@cloudstack.apache.org>, users@cloudstack.apache.org<ma...@cloudstack.apache.org>,
> marketing@cloudstack.apache.org<ma...@cloudstack.apache.org>,
> > private@cloudstack.apache.org<ma...@cloudstack.apache.org>
> > Sent: Tuesday, 12 January, 2016 16:20:44
> > Subject: Thoughts on Citrix announcement yesterday
>
> > Hi everyone (cross-posting),
> >
> > Yesterday Citrix announced that it sold its CloudPlatform business
> > to
> Accelerite
> > from Persistent Systems [1]
> >
> > As you know CloudPlatform is Citrix’s commercial distribution of
> > Apache CloudStack. I wanted to share a few thoughts on what this
> > means for
> CloudStack.
> >
> > One of the core tenet of the Apache Software Foundation is
> non-affiliation to
> > companies, as such all of us on these lists participate and
> > contribute to CloudStack as individuals. While the majority of us
> > who are contributing
> daily
> > to CloudStack are actually doing it as part of our day jobs we still
> voice our
> > opinions as individuals and companies do not (and should not) have
> influence on
> > what we do. This is one of the things that makes ASF great. This is
> > also
> one of
> > the reasons why the ASF and us as a project will not comment on
> > this announcement. It is Citrix’s business, not ours.
> >
> > That said, Citrix gave CloudStack to the ASF back in 2012 and
> > contributed heavily in the early days to its development and
> > maintenance. We should
> be
> > thankful to Citrix for donating this software and helping the
> > community
> grow.
> > Giving it to the ASF was also the move that allows us to keep on
> > going
> like
> > “business” as usual. We as a project do not depend on Citrix. Hence
> Citrix
> > selling its CloudPlatform business does not change our day to day.
> >
> > Over the years it is fair to say that Citrix involvement through the
> > many individuals participating on these lists as diminished, with
> > the vast
> majority
> > of the work now carried on by others. If we were to do a ASF “faux-pas”
> and
> > actually check affiliation of the folks that are doing most of the
> development
> > and release work, we would see other companies than Citrix.
> > Companies
> offering
> > CloudStack services but also and mostly CloudStack users, a few
> > doing it
> as a
> > hobby and most because their company uses it. This is open source at
> > its
> core,
> > folks using a software, loving it, loving their peers, and
> > contributing
> back
> > for the benefit of everyone.
> >
> > It is impossible for me to say what Accelerite will do, I have had
> > no
> contact
> > with them so far and did not know this sale was coming. Neither do I
> know what
> > will happen to all the fine Citrix engineers that were still working
> > on CloudStack. Whatever they do, I wish them the best and thank them
> > for the dedication to our project over the years. Early indication
> > from the press release seems to indicate that Accelerite will engage
> > with us. If they
> do, we
> > will welcome them like any contributors to an ASF project. With
> > openness, transparency and respect (the Apache way).
> >
> > I do want to mention that I think this may be an opportunity for
> CloudStack.
> > Observers might think that our project is dead because of Citrix
> > selling
> its
> > business, but they would be mis-informed about the nature of ASF
> projects. I
> > actually believe the contrary and think this will be a time where
> > more
> users
> > and potentially companies will engage more actively. They will see
> > that
> the
> > route to a successful Cloud is through engaging and becoming part of
> > our community. They will also finally stop thinking that CloudStack
> > is a
> Citrix
> > product and that might be the kicker that brings them on board.
> >
> > Finally, being a technical guy, I like to focus on technical things.
> > We
> have
> > done some great strides over the past 8 months, we have stabilized
> CloudStack
> > and are now releasing faster than ever, we have dockerized, we have
> pluginized,
> > we have had several events... In september we will go to Brazil for CCC.
> Brazil
> > is seeing a huge growth in CloudStack adoption.
> >
> > We still have a ton to do, from removing technical debt, fixing
> > security
> issues,
> > improving packaging, making CloudStack ever more easier to develop
> > and
> use.
> > This has not changed. We have some very important discussions going
> > on
> around
> > LTS and GitHub hosting. If anything I think the container movement
> > is a
> bigger
> > threat to our project than Citrix’s announcement. As companies start
> > to
> embrace
> > the container ecosystem and building containerized applications,
> > what
> happens
> > to CloudStack ? How does CloudStack work in a container world ? The
> > same question are valid for OpenStack by the way, I just don’t buy
> > into the
> Magnum
> > effort, but I digress :)
> >
> > So thank you Citrix, we hope to welcome Accelerite and let’s keep on
> Stacking,
> >
> > [1]
> >
> https://www.citrix.com/blogs/2016/01/11/a-new-home-accelerite-to-acqui
> re-cloudplatform/
> >
> > -Sebastien
> > VP Apache CloudStack
>
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AW: Thoughts on Citrix announcement yesterday
Posted by Walter,
André <An...@bitgroup.de>.
Being quite new to the community, it is hard for me to judge on this announcement/change.
But anyway, for me and my colleagues this does not change our (hopefully growing ;-)) engagement and I cannot see any negative impact.
I am just looking forward for contributing for a good thing (therefore we choose ASF and not “Citrix Cloud Stack” ;-))
Best regards.
André Walter
Area Manager- Cloud Services
BIT.Group GmbH
T +49 3591 5253 1415
F +49 3591 5253 9999
M +49 160 90822573
E andre.walter@bitgroup.de<ma...@bitgroup.de>
Von: Giles Sirett [mailto:giles.sirett@shapeblue.com]
Gesendet: Mittwoch, 13. Januar 2016 17:48
An: dev@cloudstack.apache.org
Cc: private@cloudstack.apache.org; users@cloudstack.apache.org; marketing@cloudstack.apache.org
Betreff: RE: Thoughts on Citrix announcement yesterday
Sebastien - thanks for your message
I also echo your thoughts: I agree this is not an issue for the project or ASF to comment on but hopefully, at long last this, *may* stop people referring to "Citrix CloudStack" !
I hope that the individual contributors who are affected by this news are able to continue being part of this - and I really hope that they can bring some new colleagues with them.
Like Ian, the people we work with here greatly value ACS and recognise its true value.
So, the outside world may see this as a major change, but here in the community I see business as usual, I see things being in really good shape, I see healthy collaboration and debate......and great software being created. Long may that continue
Kind Regards
Giles
[ShapeBlue]<http://www.shapeblue.com>
Giles Sirett
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-----Original Message-----
From: Ian Rae [mailto:irae@cloudops.com]
Sent: 13 January 2016 11:39
To: dev@cloudstack.apache.org<ma...@cloudstack.apache.org>
Cc: private@cloudstack.apache.org<ma...@cloudstack.apache.org>; users@cloudstack.apache.org<ma...@cloudstack.apache.org>; marketing@cloudstack.apache.org<ma...@cloudstack.apache.org>
Subject: Re: Thoughts on Citrix announcement yesterday
Sebastien, echoing your comments and sentiments. We understand Citrix has a market driven imperative to focus on their core products and services, and thank them for kickstarting and enabling this awesome Apache community that represents an end-user driven cloud orchestration tool of great value, that is relatively simple to install and operate allowing people to focus on consuming cloud resources instead of building and babysitting them. There is a sustainable market in solving for easy, cheap and reliable.
Consider that in many tales, the hero being discounted as dead is often a key advantage, and emerges from a plot twist to “win" the day. What that will be is up to the community, old and new, to determine. I am happy to share the excitement and optimism of the many end users CloudOps works with every day who value Apache CloudStack for “just working”.
On Tue, Jan 12, 2016 at 8:36 AM, Nux! <nu...@li.nux.ro>> wrote:
> Hi Sebastien,
>
> Thanks for your thoughts! I for one am being optimistic about this change.
>
> I'm also not worried about containers, I think you've spent too much
> time among hammers and now everything looks like a nail. :-)
>
> There is a massive load of stuff that at the moment needs (data
> centre) virtualisation and Cloudstack is in a better shape than ever
> to take care of that.
>
> So long Citrix and thanks for all the fish!
> Hello Accelerite!
>
> My 2 pence,
> Lucian
>
> --
> Sent from the Delta quadrant using Borg technology!
>
> Nux!
> www.nux.ro<http://www.nux.ro>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "Sebastien Goasguen" <ru...@gmail.com>>
> > To: dev@cloudstack.apache.org<ma...@cloudstack.apache.org>, users@cloudstack.apache.org<ma...@cloudstack.apache.org>,
> marketing@cloudstack.apache.org<ma...@cloudstack.apache.org>,
> > private@cloudstack.apache.org<ma...@cloudstack.apache.org>
> > Sent: Tuesday, 12 January, 2016 16:20:44
> > Subject: Thoughts on Citrix announcement yesterday
>
> > Hi everyone (cross-posting),
> >
> > Yesterday Citrix announced that it sold its CloudPlatform business
> > to
> Accelerite
> > from Persistent Systems [1]
> >
> > As you know CloudPlatform is Citrix’s commercial distribution of
> > Apache CloudStack. I wanted to share a few thoughts on what this
> > means for
> CloudStack.
> >
> > One of the core tenet of the Apache Software Foundation is
> non-affiliation to
> > companies, as such all of us on these lists participate and
> > contribute to CloudStack as individuals. While the majority of us
> > who are contributing
> daily
> > to CloudStack are actually doing it as part of our day jobs we still
> voice our
> > opinions as individuals and companies do not (and should not) have
> influence on
> > what we do. This is one of the things that makes ASF great. This is
> > also
> one of
> > the reasons why the ASF and us as a project will not comment on
> > this announcement. It is Citrix’s business, not ours.
> >
> > That said, Citrix gave CloudStack to the ASF back in 2012 and
> > contributed heavily in the early days to its development and
> > maintenance. We should
> be
> > thankful to Citrix for donating this software and helping the
> > community
> grow.
> > Giving it to the ASF was also the move that allows us to keep on
> > going
> like
> > “business” as usual. We as a project do not depend on Citrix. Hence
> Citrix
> > selling its CloudPlatform business does not change our day to day.
> >
> > Over the years it is fair to say that Citrix involvement through the
> > many individuals participating on these lists as diminished, with
> > the vast
> majority
> > of the work now carried on by others. If we were to do a ASF “faux-pas”
> and
> > actually check affiliation of the folks that are doing most of the
> development
> > and release work, we would see other companies than Citrix.
> > Companies
> offering
> > CloudStack services but also and mostly CloudStack users, a few
> > doing it
> as a
> > hobby and most because their company uses it. This is open source at
> > its
> core,
> > folks using a software, loving it, loving their peers, and
> > contributing
> back
> > for the benefit of everyone.
> >
> > It is impossible for me to say what Accelerite will do, I have had
> > no
> contact
> > with them so far and did not know this sale was coming. Neither do I
> know what
> > will happen to all the fine Citrix engineers that were still working
> > on CloudStack. Whatever they do, I wish them the best and thank them
> > for the dedication to our project over the years. Early indication
> > from the press release seems to indicate that Accelerite will engage
> > with us. If they
> do, we
> > will welcome them like any contributors to an ASF project. With
> > openness, transparency and respect (the Apache way).
> >
> > I do want to mention that I think this may be an opportunity for
> CloudStack.
> > Observers might think that our project is dead because of Citrix
> > selling
> its
> > business, but they would be mis-informed about the nature of ASF
> projects. I
> > actually believe the contrary and think this will be a time where
> > more
> users
> > and potentially companies will engage more actively. They will see
> > that
> the
> > route to a successful Cloud is through engaging and becoming part of
> > our community. They will also finally stop thinking that CloudStack
> > is a
> Citrix
> > product and that might be the kicker that brings them on board.
> >
> > Finally, being a technical guy, I like to focus on technical things.
> > We
> have
> > done some great strides over the past 8 months, we have stabilized
> CloudStack
> > and are now releasing faster than ever, we have dockerized, we have
> pluginized,
> > we have had several events... In september we will go to Brazil for CCC.
> Brazil
> > is seeing a huge growth in CloudStack adoption.
> >
> > We still have a ton to do, from removing technical debt, fixing
> > security
> issues,
> > improving packaging, making CloudStack ever more easier to develop
> > and
> use.
> > This has not changed. We have some very important discussions going
> > on
> around
> > LTS and GitHub hosting. If anything I think the container movement
> > is a
> bigger
> > threat to our project than Citrix’s announcement. As companies start
> > to
> embrace
> > the container ecosystem and building containerized applications,
> > what
> happens
> > to CloudStack ? How does CloudStack work in a container world ? The
> > same question are valid for OpenStack by the way, I just don’t buy
> > into the
> Magnum
> > effort, but I digress :)
> >
> > So thank you Citrix, we hope to welcome Accelerite and let’s keep on
> Stacking,
> >
> > [1]
> >
> https://www.citrix.com/blogs/2016/01/11/a-new-home-accelerite-to-acqui
> re-cloudplatform/
> >
> > -Sebastien
> > VP Apache CloudStack
>
--
Ian Rae
CEO | PDG
c: 514.944.4008
CloudOps | Cloud Infrastructure and Networking Solutions www.cloudops.com<http://www.cloudops.com> | 420 rue Guy | Montreal | Canada | H3J 1S6
Find out more about ShapeBlue and our range of CloudStack related services:
IaaS Cloud Design & Build<http://shapeblue.com/iaas-cloud-design-and-build/> | CSForge – rapid IaaS deployment framework<http://shapeblue.com/csforge/>
CloudStack Consulting<http://shapeblue.com/cloudstack-consultancy/> | CloudStack Software Engineering<http://shapeblue.com/cloudstack-software-engineering/>
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AW: Thoughts on Citrix announcement yesterday
Posted by Walter,
André <An...@bitgroup.de>.
Being quite new to the community, it is hard for me to judge on this announcement/change.
But anyway, for me and my colleagues this does not change our (hopefully growing ;-)) engagement and I cannot see any negative impact.
I am just looking forward for contributing for a good thing (therefore we choose ASF and not “Citrix Cloud Stack” ;-))
Best regards.
André Walter
Area Manager- Cloud Services
BIT.Group GmbH
T +49 3591 5253 1415
F +49 3591 5253 9999
M +49 160 90822573
E andre.walter@bitgroup.de<ma...@bitgroup.de>
Von: Giles Sirett [mailto:giles.sirett@shapeblue.com]
Gesendet: Mittwoch, 13. Januar 2016 17:48
An: dev@cloudstack.apache.org
Cc: private@cloudstack.apache.org; users@cloudstack.apache.org; marketing@cloudstack.apache.org
Betreff: RE: Thoughts on Citrix announcement yesterday
Sebastien - thanks for your message
I also echo your thoughts: I agree this is not an issue for the project or ASF to comment on but hopefully, at long last this, *may* stop people referring to "Citrix CloudStack" !
I hope that the individual contributors who are affected by this news are able to continue being part of this - and I really hope that they can bring some new colleagues with them.
Like Ian, the people we work with here greatly value ACS and recognise its true value.
So, the outside world may see this as a major change, but here in the community I see business as usual, I see things being in really good shape, I see healthy collaboration and debate......and great software being created. Long may that continue
Kind Regards
Giles
[ShapeBlue]<http://www.shapeblue.com>
Giles Sirett
CEO
,
ShapeBlue
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+44 20 3603 0541 | s: +44 203 603 0540<tel:+44%20%2020%203603%200541%20|%20s:%20+44%20203%20603%200540>
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-----Original Message-----
From: Ian Rae [mailto:irae@cloudops.com]
Sent: 13 January 2016 11:39
To: dev@cloudstack.apache.org<ma...@cloudstack.apache.org>
Cc: private@cloudstack.apache.org<ma...@cloudstack.apache.org>; users@cloudstack.apache.org<ma...@cloudstack.apache.org>; marketing@cloudstack.apache.org<ma...@cloudstack.apache.org>
Subject: Re: Thoughts on Citrix announcement yesterday
Sebastien, echoing your comments and sentiments. We understand Citrix has a market driven imperative to focus on their core products and services, and thank them for kickstarting and enabling this awesome Apache community that represents an end-user driven cloud orchestration tool of great value, that is relatively simple to install and operate allowing people to focus on consuming cloud resources instead of building and babysitting them. There is a sustainable market in solving for easy, cheap and reliable.
Consider that in many tales, the hero being discounted as dead is often a key advantage, and emerges from a plot twist to “win" the day. What that will be is up to the community, old and new, to determine. I am happy to share the excitement and optimism of the many end users CloudOps works with every day who value Apache CloudStack for “just working”.
On Tue, Jan 12, 2016 at 8:36 AM, Nux! <nu...@li.nux.ro>> wrote:
> Hi Sebastien,
>
> Thanks for your thoughts! I for one am being optimistic about this change.
>
> I'm also not worried about containers, I think you've spent too much
> time among hammers and now everything looks like a nail. :-)
>
> There is a massive load of stuff that at the moment needs (data
> centre) virtualisation and Cloudstack is in a better shape than ever
> to take care of that.
>
> So long Citrix and thanks for all the fish!
> Hello Accelerite!
>
> My 2 pence,
> Lucian
>
> --
> Sent from the Delta quadrant using Borg technology!
>
> Nux!
> www.nux.ro<http://www.nux.ro>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "Sebastien Goasguen" <ru...@gmail.com>>
> > To: dev@cloudstack.apache.org<ma...@cloudstack.apache.org>, users@cloudstack.apache.org<ma...@cloudstack.apache.org>,
> marketing@cloudstack.apache.org<ma...@cloudstack.apache.org>,
> > private@cloudstack.apache.org<ma...@cloudstack.apache.org>
> > Sent: Tuesday, 12 January, 2016 16:20:44
> > Subject: Thoughts on Citrix announcement yesterday
>
> > Hi everyone (cross-posting),
> >
> > Yesterday Citrix announced that it sold its CloudPlatform business
> > to
> Accelerite
> > from Persistent Systems [1]
> >
> > As you know CloudPlatform is Citrix’s commercial distribution of
> > Apache CloudStack. I wanted to share a few thoughts on what this
> > means for
> CloudStack.
> >
> > One of the core tenet of the Apache Software Foundation is
> non-affiliation to
> > companies, as such all of us on these lists participate and
> > contribute to CloudStack as individuals. While the majority of us
> > who are contributing
> daily
> > to CloudStack are actually doing it as part of our day jobs we still
> voice our
> > opinions as individuals and companies do not (and should not) have
> influence on
> > what we do. This is one of the things that makes ASF great. This is
> > also
> one of
> > the reasons why the ASF and us as a project will not comment on
> > this announcement. It is Citrix’s business, not ours.
> >
> > That said, Citrix gave CloudStack to the ASF back in 2012 and
> > contributed heavily in the early days to its development and
> > maintenance. We should
> be
> > thankful to Citrix for donating this software and helping the
> > community
> grow.
> > Giving it to the ASF was also the move that allows us to keep on
> > going
> like
> > “business” as usual. We as a project do not depend on Citrix. Hence
> Citrix
> > selling its CloudPlatform business does not change our day to day.
> >
> > Over the years it is fair to say that Citrix involvement through the
> > many individuals participating on these lists as diminished, with
> > the vast
> majority
> > of the work now carried on by others. If we were to do a ASF “faux-pas”
> and
> > actually check affiliation of the folks that are doing most of the
> development
> > and release work, we would see other companies than Citrix.
> > Companies
> offering
> > CloudStack services but also and mostly CloudStack users, a few
> > doing it
> as a
> > hobby and most because their company uses it. This is open source at
> > its
> core,
> > folks using a software, loving it, loving their peers, and
> > contributing
> back
> > for the benefit of everyone.
> >
> > It is impossible for me to say what Accelerite will do, I have had
> > no
> contact
> > with them so far and did not know this sale was coming. Neither do I
> know what
> > will happen to all the fine Citrix engineers that were still working
> > on CloudStack. Whatever they do, I wish them the best and thank them
> > for the dedication to our project over the years. Early indication
> > from the press release seems to indicate that Accelerite will engage
> > with us. If they
> do, we
> > will welcome them like any contributors to an ASF project. With
> > openness, transparency and respect (the Apache way).
> >
> > I do want to mention that I think this may be an opportunity for
> CloudStack.
> > Observers might think that our project is dead because of Citrix
> > selling
> its
> > business, but they would be mis-informed about the nature of ASF
> projects. I
> > actually believe the contrary and think this will be a time where
> > more
> users
> > and potentially companies will engage more actively. They will see
> > that
> the
> > route to a successful Cloud is through engaging and becoming part of
> > our community. They will also finally stop thinking that CloudStack
> > is a
> Citrix
> > product and that might be the kicker that brings them on board.
> >
> > Finally, being a technical guy, I like to focus on technical things.
> > We
> have
> > done some great strides over the past 8 months, we have stabilized
> CloudStack
> > and are now releasing faster than ever, we have dockerized, we have
> pluginized,
> > we have had several events... In september we will go to Brazil for CCC.
> Brazil
> > is seeing a huge growth in CloudStack adoption.
> >
> > We still have a ton to do, from removing technical debt, fixing
> > security
> issues,
> > improving packaging, making CloudStack ever more easier to develop
> > and
> use.
> > This has not changed. We have some very important discussions going
> > on
> around
> > LTS and GitHub hosting. If anything I think the container movement
> > is a
> bigger
> > threat to our project than Citrix’s announcement. As companies start
> > to
> embrace
> > the container ecosystem and building containerized applications,
> > what
> happens
> > to CloudStack ? How does CloudStack work in a container world ? The
> > same question are valid for OpenStack by the way, I just don’t buy
> > into the
> Magnum
> > effort, but I digress :)
> >
> > So thank you Citrix, we hope to welcome Accelerite and let’s keep on
> Stacking,
> >
> > [1]
> >
> https://www.citrix.com/blogs/2016/01/11/a-new-home-accelerite-to-acqui
> re-cloudplatform/
> >
> > -Sebastien
> > VP Apache CloudStack
>
--
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RE: Thoughts on Citrix announcement yesterday
Posted by Giles Sirett <gi...@shapeblue.com>.
Sebastien - thanks for your message
I also echo your thoughts: I agree this is not an issue for the project or ASF to comment on but hopefully, at long last this, *may* stop people referring to "Citrix CloudStack" !
I hope that the individual contributors who are affected by this news are able to continue being part of this - and I really hope that they can bring some new colleagues with them.
Like Ian, the people we work with here greatly value ACS and recognise its true value.
So, the outside world may see this as a major change, but here in the community I see business as usual, I see things being in really good shape, I see healthy collaboration and debate......and great software being created. Long may that continue
Kind Regards
Giles
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-----Original Message-----
From: Ian Rae [mailto:irae@cloudops.com]
Sent: 13 January 2016 11:39
To: dev@cloudstack.apache.org
Cc: private@cloudstack.apache.org; users@cloudstack.apache.org; marketing@cloudstack.apache.org
Subject: Re: Thoughts on Citrix announcement yesterday
Sebastien, echoing your comments and sentiments. We understand Citrix has a market driven imperative to focus on their core products and services, and thank them for kickstarting and enabling this awesome Apache community that represents an end-user driven cloud orchestration tool of great value, that is relatively simple to install and operate allowing people to focus on consuming cloud resources instead of building and babysitting them. There is a sustainable market in solving for easy, cheap and reliable.
Consider that in many tales, the hero being discounted as dead is often a key advantage, and emerges from a plot twist to “win" the day. What that will be is up to the community, old and new, to determine. I am happy to share the excitement and optimism of the many end users CloudOps works with every day who value Apache CloudStack for “just working”.
On Tue, Jan 12, 2016 at 8:36 AM, Nux! <nu...@li.nux.ro> wrote:
> Hi Sebastien,
>
> Thanks for your thoughts! I for one am being optimistic about this change.
>
> I'm also not worried about containers, I think you've spent too much
> time among hammers and now everything looks like a nail. :-)
>
> There is a massive load of stuff that at the moment needs (data
> centre) virtualisation and Cloudstack is in a better shape than ever
> to take care of that.
>
> So long Citrix and thanks for all the fish!
> Hello Accelerite!
>
> My 2 pence,
> Lucian
>
> --
> Sent from the Delta quadrant using Borg technology!
>
> Nux!
> www.nux.ro
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "Sebastien Goasguen" <ru...@gmail.com>
> > To: dev@cloudstack.apache.org, users@cloudstack.apache.org,
> marketing@cloudstack.apache.org,
> > private@cloudstack.apache.org
> > Sent: Tuesday, 12 January, 2016 16:20:44
> > Subject: Thoughts on Citrix announcement yesterday
>
> > Hi everyone (cross-posting),
> >
> > Yesterday Citrix announced that it sold its CloudPlatform business
> > to
> Accelerite
> > from Persistent Systems [1]
> >
> > As you know CloudPlatform is Citrix’s commercial distribution of
> > Apache CloudStack. I wanted to share a few thoughts on what this
> > means for
> CloudStack.
> >
> > One of the core tenet of the Apache Software Foundation is
> non-affiliation to
> > companies, as such all of us on these lists participate and
> > contribute to CloudStack as individuals. While the majority of us
> > who are contributing
> daily
> > to CloudStack are actually doing it as part of our day jobs we still
> voice our
> > opinions as individuals and companies do not (and should not) have
> influence on
> > what we do. This is one of the things that makes ASF great. This is
> > also
> one of
> > the reasons why the ASF and us as a project will not comment on
> > this announcement. It is Citrix’s business, not ours.
> >
> > That said, Citrix gave CloudStack to the ASF back in 2012 and
> > contributed heavily in the early days to its development and
> > maintenance. We should
> be
> > thankful to Citrix for donating this software and helping the
> > community
> grow.
> > Giving it to the ASF was also the move that allows us to keep on
> > going
> like
> > “business” as usual. We as a project do not depend on Citrix. Hence
> Citrix
> > selling its CloudPlatform business does not change our day to day.
> >
> > Over the years it is fair to say that Citrix involvement through the
> > many individuals participating on these lists as diminished, with
> > the vast
> majority
> > of the work now carried on by others. If we were to do a ASF “faux-pas”
> and
> > actually check affiliation of the folks that are doing most of the
> development
> > and release work, we would see other companies than Citrix.
> > Companies
> offering
> > CloudStack services but also and mostly CloudStack users, a few
> > doing it
> as a
> > hobby and most because their company uses it. This is open source at
> > its
> core,
> > folks using a software, loving it, loving their peers, and
> > contributing
> back
> > for the benefit of everyone.
> >
> > It is impossible for me to say what Accelerite will do, I have had
> > no
> contact
> > with them so far and did not know this sale was coming. Neither do I
> know what
> > will happen to all the fine Citrix engineers that were still working
> > on CloudStack. Whatever they do, I wish them the best and thank them
> > for the dedication to our project over the years. Early indication
> > from the press release seems to indicate that Accelerite will engage
> > with us. If they
> do, we
> > will welcome them like any contributors to an ASF project. With
> > openness, transparency and respect (the Apache way).
> >
> > I do want to mention that I think this may be an opportunity for
> CloudStack.
> > Observers might think that our project is dead because of Citrix
> > selling
> its
> > business, but they would be mis-informed about the nature of ASF
> projects. I
> > actually believe the contrary and think this will be a time where
> > more
> users
> > and potentially companies will engage more actively. They will see
> > that
> the
> > route to a successful Cloud is through engaging and becoming part of
> > our community. They will also finally stop thinking that CloudStack
> > is a
> Citrix
> > product and that might be the kicker that brings them on board.
> >
> > Finally, being a technical guy, I like to focus on technical things.
> > We
> have
> > done some great strides over the past 8 months, we have stabilized
> CloudStack
> > and are now releasing faster than ever, we have dockerized, we have
> pluginized,
> > we have had several events... In september we will go to Brazil for CCC.
> Brazil
> > is seeing a huge growth in CloudStack adoption.
> >
> > We still have a ton to do, from removing technical debt, fixing
> > security
> issues,
> > improving packaging, making CloudStack ever more easier to develop
> > and
> use.
> > This has not changed. We have some very important discussions going
> > on
> around
> > LTS and GitHub hosting. If anything I think the container movement
> > is a
> bigger
> > threat to our project than Citrix’s announcement. As companies start
> > to
> embrace
> > the container ecosystem and building containerized applications,
> > what
> happens
> > to CloudStack ? How does CloudStack work in a container world ? The
> > same question are valid for OpenStack by the way, I just don’t buy
> > into the
> Magnum
> > effort, but I digress :)
> >
> > So thank you Citrix, we hope to welcome Accelerite and let’s keep on
> Stacking,
> >
> > [1]
> >
> https://www.citrix.com/blogs/2016/01/11/a-new-home-accelerite-to-acqui
> re-cloudplatform/
> >
> > -Sebastien
> > VP Apache CloudStack
>
--
Ian Rae
CEO | PDG
c: 514.944.4008
CloudOps | Cloud Infrastructure and Networking Solutions www.cloudops.com | 420 rue Guy | Montreal | Canada | H3J 1S6
Find out more about ShapeBlue and our range of CloudStack related services:
IaaS Cloud Design & Build<http://shapeblue.com/iaas-cloud-design-and-build//> | CSForge – rapid IaaS deployment framework<http://shapeblue.com/csforge/>
CloudStack Consulting<http://shapeblue.com/cloudstack-consultancy/> | CloudStack Software Engineering<http://shapeblue.com/cloudstack-software-engineering/>
CloudStack Infrastructure Support<http://shapeblue.com/cloudstack-infrastructure-support/> | CloudStack Bootcamp Training Courses<http://shapeblue.com/cloudstack-training/>
RE: Thoughts on Citrix announcement yesterday
Posted by Giles Sirett <gi...@shapeblue.com>.
Sebastien - thanks for your message
I also echo your thoughts: I agree this is not an issue for the project or ASF to comment on but hopefully, at long last this, *may* stop people referring to "Citrix CloudStack" !
I hope that the individual contributors who are affected by this news are able to continue being part of this - and I really hope that they can bring some new colleagues with them.
Like Ian, the people we work with here greatly value ACS and recognise its true value.
So, the outside world may see this as a major change, but here in the community I see business as usual, I see things being in really good shape, I see healthy collaboration and debate......and great software being created. Long may that continue
Kind Regards
Giles
[ShapeBlue]<http://www.shapeblue.com>
Giles Sirett
CEO , ShapeBlue
d: +44 20 3603 0541 | s: +44 203 603 0540<tel:+44%20%2020%203603%200541%20|%20s:%20+44%20203%20603%200540> | m: +44 7961112055<tel:+44%207961112055>
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-----Original Message-----
From: Ian Rae [mailto:irae@cloudops.com]
Sent: 13 January 2016 11:39
To: dev@cloudstack.apache.org
Cc: private@cloudstack.apache.org; users@cloudstack.apache.org; marketing@cloudstack.apache.org
Subject: Re: Thoughts on Citrix announcement yesterday
Sebastien, echoing your comments and sentiments. We understand Citrix has a market driven imperative to focus on their core products and services, and thank them for kickstarting and enabling this awesome Apache community that represents an end-user driven cloud orchestration tool of great value, that is relatively simple to install and operate allowing people to focus on consuming cloud resources instead of building and babysitting them. There is a sustainable market in solving for easy, cheap and reliable.
Consider that in many tales, the hero being discounted as dead is often a key advantage, and emerges from a plot twist to “win" the day. What that will be is up to the community, old and new, to determine. I am happy to share the excitement and optimism of the many end users CloudOps works with every day who value Apache CloudStack for “just working”.
On Tue, Jan 12, 2016 at 8:36 AM, Nux! <nu...@li.nux.ro> wrote:
> Hi Sebastien,
>
> Thanks for your thoughts! I for one am being optimistic about this change.
>
> I'm also not worried about containers, I think you've spent too much
> time among hammers and now everything looks like a nail. :-)
>
> There is a massive load of stuff that at the moment needs (data
> centre) virtualisation and Cloudstack is in a better shape than ever
> to take care of that.
>
> So long Citrix and thanks for all the fish!
> Hello Accelerite!
>
> My 2 pence,
> Lucian
>
> --
> Sent from the Delta quadrant using Borg technology!
>
> Nux!
> www.nux.ro
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "Sebastien Goasguen" <ru...@gmail.com>
> > To: dev@cloudstack.apache.org, users@cloudstack.apache.org,
> marketing@cloudstack.apache.org,
> > private@cloudstack.apache.org
> > Sent: Tuesday, 12 January, 2016 16:20:44
> > Subject: Thoughts on Citrix announcement yesterday
>
> > Hi everyone (cross-posting),
> >
> > Yesterday Citrix announced that it sold its CloudPlatform business
> > to
> Accelerite
> > from Persistent Systems [1]
> >
> > As you know CloudPlatform is Citrix’s commercial distribution of
> > Apache CloudStack. I wanted to share a few thoughts on what this
> > means for
> CloudStack.
> >
> > One of the core tenet of the Apache Software Foundation is
> non-affiliation to
> > companies, as such all of us on these lists participate and
> > contribute to CloudStack as individuals. While the majority of us
> > who are contributing
> daily
> > to CloudStack are actually doing it as part of our day jobs we still
> voice our
> > opinions as individuals and companies do not (and should not) have
> influence on
> > what we do. This is one of the things that makes ASF great. This is
> > also
> one of
> > the reasons why the ASF and us as a project will not comment on
> > this announcement. It is Citrix’s business, not ours.
> >
> > That said, Citrix gave CloudStack to the ASF back in 2012 and
> > contributed heavily in the early days to its development and
> > maintenance. We should
> be
> > thankful to Citrix for donating this software and helping the
> > community
> grow.
> > Giving it to the ASF was also the move that allows us to keep on
> > going
> like
> > “business” as usual. We as a project do not depend on Citrix. Hence
> Citrix
> > selling its CloudPlatform business does not change our day to day.
> >
> > Over the years it is fair to say that Citrix involvement through the
> > many individuals participating on these lists as diminished, with
> > the vast
> majority
> > of the work now carried on by others. If we were to do a ASF “faux-pas”
> and
> > actually check affiliation of the folks that are doing most of the
> development
> > and release work, we would see other companies than Citrix.
> > Companies
> offering
> > CloudStack services but also and mostly CloudStack users, a few
> > doing it
> as a
> > hobby and most because their company uses it. This is open source at
> > its
> core,
> > folks using a software, loving it, loving their peers, and
> > contributing
> back
> > for the benefit of everyone.
> >
> > It is impossible for me to say what Accelerite will do, I have had
> > no
> contact
> > with them so far and did not know this sale was coming. Neither do I
> know what
> > will happen to all the fine Citrix engineers that were still working
> > on CloudStack. Whatever they do, I wish them the best and thank them
> > for the dedication to our project over the years. Early indication
> > from the press release seems to indicate that Accelerite will engage
> > with us. If they
> do, we
> > will welcome them like any contributors to an ASF project. With
> > openness, transparency and respect (the Apache way).
> >
> > I do want to mention that I think this may be an opportunity for
> CloudStack.
> > Observers might think that our project is dead because of Citrix
> > selling
> its
> > business, but they would be mis-informed about the nature of ASF
> projects. I
> > actually believe the contrary and think this will be a time where
> > more
> users
> > and potentially companies will engage more actively. They will see
> > that
> the
> > route to a successful Cloud is through engaging and becoming part of
> > our community. They will also finally stop thinking that CloudStack
> > is a
> Citrix
> > product and that might be the kicker that brings them on board.
> >
> > Finally, being a technical guy, I like to focus on technical things.
> > We
> have
> > done some great strides over the past 8 months, we have stabilized
> CloudStack
> > and are now releasing faster than ever, we have dockerized, we have
> pluginized,
> > we have had several events... In september we will go to Brazil for CCC.
> Brazil
> > is seeing a huge growth in CloudStack adoption.
> >
> > We still have a ton to do, from removing technical debt, fixing
> > security
> issues,
> > improving packaging, making CloudStack ever more easier to develop
> > and
> use.
> > This has not changed. We have some very important discussions going
> > on
> around
> > LTS and GitHub hosting. If anything I think the container movement
> > is a
> bigger
> > threat to our project than Citrix’s announcement. As companies start
> > to
> embrace
> > the container ecosystem and building containerized applications,
> > what
> happens
> > to CloudStack ? How does CloudStack work in a container world ? The
> > same question are valid for OpenStack by the way, I just don’t buy
> > into the
> Magnum
> > effort, but I digress :)
> >
> > So thank you Citrix, we hope to welcome Accelerite and let’s keep on
> Stacking,
> >
> > [1]
> >
> https://www.citrix.com/blogs/2016/01/11/a-new-home-accelerite-to-acqui
> re-cloudplatform/
> >
> > -Sebastien
> > VP Apache CloudStack
>
--
Ian Rae
CEO | PDG
c: 514.944.4008
CloudOps | Cloud Infrastructure and Networking Solutions www.cloudops.com | 420 rue Guy | Montreal | Canada | H3J 1S6
Find out more about ShapeBlue and our range of CloudStack related services:
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RE: Thoughts on Citrix announcement yesterday
Posted by Giles Sirett <gi...@shapeblue.com>.
Sebastien - thanks for your message
I also echo your thoughts: I agree this is not an issue for the project or ASF to comment on but hopefully, at long last this, *may* stop people referring to "Citrix CloudStack" !
I hope that the individual contributors who are affected by this news are able to continue being part of this - and I really hope that they can bring some new colleagues with them.
Like Ian, the people we work with here greatly value ACS and recognise its true value.
So, the outside world may see this as a major change, but here in the community I see business as usual, I see things being in really good shape, I see healthy collaboration and debate......and great software being created. Long may that continue
Kind Regards
Giles
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-----Original Message-----
From: Ian Rae [mailto:irae@cloudops.com]
Sent: 13 January 2016 11:39
To: dev@cloudstack.apache.org
Cc: private@cloudstack.apache.org; users@cloudstack.apache.org; marketing@cloudstack.apache.org
Subject: Re: Thoughts on Citrix announcement yesterday
Sebastien, echoing your comments and sentiments. We understand Citrix has a market driven imperative to focus on their core products and services, and thank them for kickstarting and enabling this awesome Apache community that represents an end-user driven cloud orchestration tool of great value, that is relatively simple to install and operate allowing people to focus on consuming cloud resources instead of building and babysitting them. There is a sustainable market in solving for easy, cheap and reliable.
Consider that in many tales, the hero being discounted as dead is often a key advantage, and emerges from a plot twist to “win" the day. What that will be is up to the community, old and new, to determine. I am happy to share the excitement and optimism of the many end users CloudOps works with every day who value Apache CloudStack for “just working”.
On Tue, Jan 12, 2016 at 8:36 AM, Nux! <nu...@li.nux.ro> wrote:
> Hi Sebastien,
>
> Thanks for your thoughts! I for one am being optimistic about this change.
>
> I'm also not worried about containers, I think you've spent too much
> time among hammers and now everything looks like a nail. :-)
>
> There is a massive load of stuff that at the moment needs (data
> centre) virtualisation and Cloudstack is in a better shape than ever
> to take care of that.
>
> So long Citrix and thanks for all the fish!
> Hello Accelerite!
>
> My 2 pence,
> Lucian
>
> --
> Sent from the Delta quadrant using Borg technology!
>
> Nux!
> www.nux.ro
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "Sebastien Goasguen" <ru...@gmail.com>
> > To: dev@cloudstack.apache.org, users@cloudstack.apache.org,
> marketing@cloudstack.apache.org,
> > private@cloudstack.apache.org
> > Sent: Tuesday, 12 January, 2016 16:20:44
> > Subject: Thoughts on Citrix announcement yesterday
>
> > Hi everyone (cross-posting),
> >
> > Yesterday Citrix announced that it sold its CloudPlatform business
> > to
> Accelerite
> > from Persistent Systems [1]
> >
> > As you know CloudPlatform is Citrix’s commercial distribution of
> > Apache CloudStack. I wanted to share a few thoughts on what this
> > means for
> CloudStack.
> >
> > One of the core tenet of the Apache Software Foundation is
> non-affiliation to
> > companies, as such all of us on these lists participate and
> > contribute to CloudStack as individuals. While the majority of us
> > who are contributing
> daily
> > to CloudStack are actually doing it as part of our day jobs we still
> voice our
> > opinions as individuals and companies do not (and should not) have
> influence on
> > what we do. This is one of the things that makes ASF great. This is
> > also
> one of
> > the reasons why the ASF and us as a project will not comment on
> > this announcement. It is Citrix’s business, not ours.
> >
> > That said, Citrix gave CloudStack to the ASF back in 2012 and
> > contributed heavily in the early days to its development and
> > maintenance. We should
> be
> > thankful to Citrix for donating this software and helping the
> > community
> grow.
> > Giving it to the ASF was also the move that allows us to keep on
> > going
> like
> > “business” as usual. We as a project do not depend on Citrix. Hence
> Citrix
> > selling its CloudPlatform business does not change our day to day.
> >
> > Over the years it is fair to say that Citrix involvement through the
> > many individuals participating on these lists as diminished, with
> > the vast
> majority
> > of the work now carried on by others. If we were to do a ASF “faux-pas”
> and
> > actually check affiliation of the folks that are doing most of the
> development
> > and release work, we would see other companies than Citrix.
> > Companies
> offering
> > CloudStack services but also and mostly CloudStack users, a few
> > doing it
> as a
> > hobby and most because their company uses it. This is open source at
> > its
> core,
> > folks using a software, loving it, loving their peers, and
> > contributing
> back
> > for the benefit of everyone.
> >
> > It is impossible for me to say what Accelerite will do, I have had
> > no
> contact
> > with them so far and did not know this sale was coming. Neither do I
> know what
> > will happen to all the fine Citrix engineers that were still working
> > on CloudStack. Whatever they do, I wish them the best and thank them
> > for the dedication to our project over the years. Early indication
> > from the press release seems to indicate that Accelerite will engage
> > with us. If they
> do, we
> > will welcome them like any contributors to an ASF project. With
> > openness, transparency and respect (the Apache way).
> >
> > I do want to mention that I think this may be an opportunity for
> CloudStack.
> > Observers might think that our project is dead because of Citrix
> > selling
> its
> > business, but they would be mis-informed about the nature of ASF
> projects. I
> > actually believe the contrary and think this will be a time where
> > more
> users
> > and potentially companies will engage more actively. They will see
> > that
> the
> > route to a successful Cloud is through engaging and becoming part of
> > our community. They will also finally stop thinking that CloudStack
> > is a
> Citrix
> > product and that might be the kicker that brings them on board.
> >
> > Finally, being a technical guy, I like to focus on technical things.
> > We
> have
> > done some great strides over the past 8 months, we have stabilized
> CloudStack
> > and are now releasing faster than ever, we have dockerized, we have
> pluginized,
> > we have had several events... In september we will go to Brazil for CCC.
> Brazil
> > is seeing a huge growth in CloudStack adoption.
> >
> > We still have a ton to do, from removing technical debt, fixing
> > security
> issues,
> > improving packaging, making CloudStack ever more easier to develop
> > and
> use.
> > This has not changed. We have some very important discussions going
> > on
> around
> > LTS and GitHub hosting. If anything I think the container movement
> > is a
> bigger
> > threat to our project than Citrix’s announcement. As companies start
> > to
> embrace
> > the container ecosystem and building containerized applications,
> > what
> happens
> > to CloudStack ? How does CloudStack work in a container world ? The
> > same question are valid for OpenStack by the way, I just don’t buy
> > into the
> Magnum
> > effort, but I digress :)
> >
> > So thank you Citrix, we hope to welcome Accelerite and let’s keep on
> Stacking,
> >
> > [1]
> >
> https://www.citrix.com/blogs/2016/01/11/a-new-home-accelerite-to-acqui
> re-cloudplatform/
> >
> > -Sebastien
> > VP Apache CloudStack
>
--
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c: 514.944.4008
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Re: Thoughts on Citrix announcement yesterday
Posted by Ian Rae <ir...@cloudops.com>.
Sebastien, echoing your comments and sentiments. We understand Citrix has a
market driven imperative to focus on their core products and services, and
thank them for kickstarting and enabling this awesome Apache community that
represents an end-user driven cloud orchestration tool of great value, that
is relatively simple to install and operate allowing people to focus on
consuming cloud resources instead of building and babysitting them. There
is a sustainable market in solving for easy, cheap and reliable.
Consider that in many tales, the hero being discounted as dead is often a
key advantage, and emerges from a plot twist to “win" the day. What that
will be is up to the community, old and new, to determine. I am happy to
share the excitement and optimism of the many end users CloudOps works with
every day who value Apache CloudStack for “just working”.
On Tue, Jan 12, 2016 at 8:36 AM, Nux! <nu...@li.nux.ro> wrote:
> Hi Sebastien,
>
> Thanks for your thoughts! I for one am being optimistic about this change.
>
> I'm also not worried about containers, I think you've spent too much time
> among hammers and now everything looks like a nail. :-)
>
> There is a massive load of stuff that at the moment needs (data centre)
> virtualisation and Cloudstack is in a better shape than ever to take care
> of that.
>
> So long Citrix and thanks for all the fish!
> Hello Accelerite!
>
> My 2 pence,
> Lucian
>
> --
> Sent from the Delta quadrant using Borg technology!
>
> Nux!
> www.nux.ro
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "Sebastien Goasguen" <ru...@gmail.com>
> > To: dev@cloudstack.apache.org, users@cloudstack.apache.org,
> marketing@cloudstack.apache.org,
> > private@cloudstack.apache.org
> > Sent: Tuesday, 12 January, 2016 16:20:44
> > Subject: Thoughts on Citrix announcement yesterday
>
> > Hi everyone (cross-posting),
> >
> > Yesterday Citrix announced that it sold its CloudPlatform business to
> Accelerite
> > from Persistent Systems [1]
> >
> > As you know CloudPlatform is Citrix’s commercial distribution of Apache
> > CloudStack. I wanted to share a few thoughts on what this means for
> CloudStack.
> >
> > One of the core tenet of the Apache Software Foundation is
> non-affiliation to
> > companies, as such all of us on these lists participate and contribute to
> > CloudStack as individuals. While the majority of us who are contributing
> daily
> > to CloudStack are actually doing it as part of our day jobs we still
> voice our
> > opinions as individuals and companies do not (and should not) have
> influence on
> > what we do. This is one of the things that makes ASF great. This is also
> one of
> > the reasons why the ASF and us as a project will not comment on this
> > announcement. It is Citrix’s business, not ours.
> >
> > That said, Citrix gave CloudStack to the ASF back in 2012 and contributed
> > heavily in the early days to its development and maintenance. We should
> be
> > thankful to Citrix for donating this software and helping the community
> grow.
> > Giving it to the ASF was also the move that allows us to keep on going
> like
> > “business” as usual. We as a project do not depend on Citrix. Hence
> Citrix
> > selling its CloudPlatform business does not change our day to day.
> >
> > Over the years it is fair to say that Citrix involvement through the many
> > individuals participating on these lists as diminished, with the vast
> majority
> > of the work now carried on by others. If we were to do a ASF “faux-pas”
> and
> > actually check affiliation of the folks that are doing most of the
> development
> > and release work, we would see other companies than Citrix. Companies
> offering
> > CloudStack services but also and mostly CloudStack users, a few doing it
> as a
> > hobby and most because their company uses it. This is open source at its
> core,
> > folks using a software, loving it, loving their peers, and contributing
> back
> > for the benefit of everyone.
> >
> > It is impossible for me to say what Accelerite will do, I have had no
> contact
> > with them so far and did not know this sale was coming. Neither do I
> know what
> > will happen to all the fine Citrix engineers that were still working on
> > CloudStack. Whatever they do, I wish them the best and thank them for the
> > dedication to our project over the years. Early indication from the press
> > release seems to indicate that Accelerite will engage with us. If they
> do, we
> > will welcome them like any contributors to an ASF project. With openness,
> > transparency and respect (the Apache way).
> >
> > I do want to mention that I think this may be an opportunity for
> CloudStack.
> > Observers might think that our project is dead because of Citrix selling
> its
> > business, but they would be mis-informed about the nature of ASF
> projects. I
> > actually believe the contrary and think this will be a time where more
> users
> > and potentially companies will engage more actively. They will see that
> the
> > route to a successful Cloud is through engaging and becoming part of our
> > community. They will also finally stop thinking that CloudStack is a
> Citrix
> > product and that might be the kicker that brings them on board.
> >
> > Finally, being a technical guy, I like to focus on technical things. We
> have
> > done some great strides over the past 8 months, we have stabilized
> CloudStack
> > and are now releasing faster than ever, we have dockerized, we have
> pluginized,
> > we have had several events... In september we will go to Brazil for CCC.
> Brazil
> > is seeing a huge growth in CloudStack adoption.
> >
> > We still have a ton to do, from removing technical debt, fixing security
> issues,
> > improving packaging, making CloudStack ever more easier to develop and
> use.
> > This has not changed. We have some very important discussions going on
> around
> > LTS and GitHub hosting. If anything I think the container movement is a
> bigger
> > threat to our project than Citrix’s announcement. As companies start to
> embrace
> > the container ecosystem and building containerized applications, what
> happens
> > to CloudStack ? How does CloudStack work in a container world ? The same
> > question are valid for OpenStack by the way, I just don’t buy into the
> Magnum
> > effort, but I digress :)
> >
> > So thank you Citrix, we hope to welcome Accelerite and let’s keep on
> Stacking,
> >
> > [1]
> >
> https://www.citrix.com/blogs/2016/01/11/a-new-home-accelerite-to-acquire-cloudplatform/
> >
> > -Sebastien
> > VP Apache CloudStack
>
--
Ian Rae
CEO | PDG
c: 514.944.4008
CloudOps | Cloud Infrastructure and Networking Solutions
www.cloudops.com | 420 rue Guy | Montreal | Canada | H3J 1S6
Re: Thoughts on Citrix announcement yesterday
Posted by Ian Rae <ir...@cloudops.com>.
Sebastien, echoing your comments and sentiments. We understand Citrix has a
market driven imperative to focus on their core products and services, and
thank them for kickstarting and enabling this awesome Apache community that
represents an end-user driven cloud orchestration tool of great value, that
is relatively simple to install and operate allowing people to focus on
consuming cloud resources instead of building and babysitting them. There
is a sustainable market in solving for easy, cheap and reliable.
Consider that in many tales, the hero being discounted as dead is often a
key advantage, and emerges from a plot twist to “win" the day. What that
will be is up to the community, old and new, to determine. I am happy to
share the excitement and optimism of the many end users CloudOps works with
every day who value Apache CloudStack for “just working”.
On Tue, Jan 12, 2016 at 8:36 AM, Nux! <nu...@li.nux.ro> wrote:
> Hi Sebastien,
>
> Thanks for your thoughts! I for one am being optimistic about this change.
>
> I'm also not worried about containers, I think you've spent too much time
> among hammers and now everything looks like a nail. :-)
>
> There is a massive load of stuff that at the moment needs (data centre)
> virtualisation and Cloudstack is in a better shape than ever to take care
> of that.
>
> So long Citrix and thanks for all the fish!
> Hello Accelerite!
>
> My 2 pence,
> Lucian
>
> --
> Sent from the Delta quadrant using Borg technology!
>
> Nux!
> www.nux.ro
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "Sebastien Goasguen" <ru...@gmail.com>
> > To: dev@cloudstack.apache.org, users@cloudstack.apache.org,
> marketing@cloudstack.apache.org,
> > private@cloudstack.apache.org
> > Sent: Tuesday, 12 January, 2016 16:20:44
> > Subject: Thoughts on Citrix announcement yesterday
>
> > Hi everyone (cross-posting),
> >
> > Yesterday Citrix announced that it sold its CloudPlatform business to
> Accelerite
> > from Persistent Systems [1]
> >
> > As you know CloudPlatform is Citrix’s commercial distribution of Apache
> > CloudStack. I wanted to share a few thoughts on what this means for
> CloudStack.
> >
> > One of the core tenet of the Apache Software Foundation is
> non-affiliation to
> > companies, as such all of us on these lists participate and contribute to
> > CloudStack as individuals. While the majority of us who are contributing
> daily
> > to CloudStack are actually doing it as part of our day jobs we still
> voice our
> > opinions as individuals and companies do not (and should not) have
> influence on
> > what we do. This is one of the things that makes ASF great. This is also
> one of
> > the reasons why the ASF and us as a project will not comment on this
> > announcement. It is Citrix’s business, not ours.
> >
> > That said, Citrix gave CloudStack to the ASF back in 2012 and contributed
> > heavily in the early days to its development and maintenance. We should
> be
> > thankful to Citrix for donating this software and helping the community
> grow.
> > Giving it to the ASF was also the move that allows us to keep on going
> like
> > “business” as usual. We as a project do not depend on Citrix. Hence
> Citrix
> > selling its CloudPlatform business does not change our day to day.
> >
> > Over the years it is fair to say that Citrix involvement through the many
> > individuals participating on these lists as diminished, with the vast
> majority
> > of the work now carried on by others. If we were to do a ASF “faux-pas”
> and
> > actually check affiliation of the folks that are doing most of the
> development
> > and release work, we would see other companies than Citrix. Companies
> offering
> > CloudStack services but also and mostly CloudStack users, a few doing it
> as a
> > hobby and most because their company uses it. This is open source at its
> core,
> > folks using a software, loving it, loving their peers, and contributing
> back
> > for the benefit of everyone.
> >
> > It is impossible for me to say what Accelerite will do, I have had no
> contact
> > with them so far and did not know this sale was coming. Neither do I
> know what
> > will happen to all the fine Citrix engineers that were still working on
> > CloudStack. Whatever they do, I wish them the best and thank them for the
> > dedication to our project over the years. Early indication from the press
> > release seems to indicate that Accelerite will engage with us. If they
> do, we
> > will welcome them like any contributors to an ASF project. With openness,
> > transparency and respect (the Apache way).
> >
> > I do want to mention that I think this may be an opportunity for
> CloudStack.
> > Observers might think that our project is dead because of Citrix selling
> its
> > business, but they would be mis-informed about the nature of ASF
> projects. I
> > actually believe the contrary and think this will be a time where more
> users
> > and potentially companies will engage more actively. They will see that
> the
> > route to a successful Cloud is through engaging and becoming part of our
> > community. They will also finally stop thinking that CloudStack is a
> Citrix
> > product and that might be the kicker that brings them on board.
> >
> > Finally, being a technical guy, I like to focus on technical things. We
> have
> > done some great strides over the past 8 months, we have stabilized
> CloudStack
> > and are now releasing faster than ever, we have dockerized, we have
> pluginized,
> > we have had several events... In september we will go to Brazil for CCC.
> Brazil
> > is seeing a huge growth in CloudStack adoption.
> >
> > We still have a ton to do, from removing technical debt, fixing security
> issues,
> > improving packaging, making CloudStack ever more easier to develop and
> use.
> > This has not changed. We have some very important discussions going on
> around
> > LTS and GitHub hosting. If anything I think the container movement is a
> bigger
> > threat to our project than Citrix’s announcement. As companies start to
> embrace
> > the container ecosystem and building containerized applications, what
> happens
> > to CloudStack ? How does CloudStack work in a container world ? The same
> > question are valid for OpenStack by the way, I just don’t buy into the
> Magnum
> > effort, but I digress :)
> >
> > So thank you Citrix, we hope to welcome Accelerite and let’s keep on
> Stacking,
> >
> > [1]
> >
> https://www.citrix.com/blogs/2016/01/11/a-new-home-accelerite-to-acquire-cloudplatform/
> >
> > -Sebastien
> > VP Apache CloudStack
>
--
Ian Rae
CEO | PDG
c: 514.944.4008
CloudOps | Cloud Infrastructure and Networking Solutions
www.cloudops.com | 420 rue Guy | Montreal | Canada | H3J 1S6
Re: Thoughts on Citrix announcement yesterday
Posted by Ian Rae <ir...@cloudops.com>.
Sebastien, echoing your comments and sentiments. We understand Citrix has a
market driven imperative to focus on their core products and services, and
thank them for kickstarting and enabling this awesome Apache community that
represents an end-user driven cloud orchestration tool of great value, that
is relatively simple to install and operate allowing people to focus on
consuming cloud resources instead of building and babysitting them. There
is a sustainable market in solving for easy, cheap and reliable.
Consider that in many tales, the hero being discounted as dead is often a
key advantage, and emerges from a plot twist to “win" the day. What that
will be is up to the community, old and new, to determine. I am happy to
share the excitement and optimism of the many end users CloudOps works with
every day who value Apache CloudStack for “just working”.
On Tue, Jan 12, 2016 at 8:36 AM, Nux! <nu...@li.nux.ro> wrote:
> Hi Sebastien,
>
> Thanks for your thoughts! I for one am being optimistic about this change.
>
> I'm also not worried about containers, I think you've spent too much time
> among hammers and now everything looks like a nail. :-)
>
> There is a massive load of stuff that at the moment needs (data centre)
> virtualisation and Cloudstack is in a better shape than ever to take care
> of that.
>
> So long Citrix and thanks for all the fish!
> Hello Accelerite!
>
> My 2 pence,
> Lucian
>
> --
> Sent from the Delta quadrant using Borg technology!
>
> Nux!
> www.nux.ro
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "Sebastien Goasguen" <ru...@gmail.com>
> > To: dev@cloudstack.apache.org, users@cloudstack.apache.org,
> marketing@cloudstack.apache.org,
> > private@cloudstack.apache.org
> > Sent: Tuesday, 12 January, 2016 16:20:44
> > Subject: Thoughts on Citrix announcement yesterday
>
> > Hi everyone (cross-posting),
> >
> > Yesterday Citrix announced that it sold its CloudPlatform business to
> Accelerite
> > from Persistent Systems [1]
> >
> > As you know CloudPlatform is Citrix’s commercial distribution of Apache
> > CloudStack. I wanted to share a few thoughts on what this means for
> CloudStack.
> >
> > One of the core tenet of the Apache Software Foundation is
> non-affiliation to
> > companies, as such all of us on these lists participate and contribute to
> > CloudStack as individuals. While the majority of us who are contributing
> daily
> > to CloudStack are actually doing it as part of our day jobs we still
> voice our
> > opinions as individuals and companies do not (and should not) have
> influence on
> > what we do. This is one of the things that makes ASF great. This is also
> one of
> > the reasons why the ASF and us as a project will not comment on this
> > announcement. It is Citrix’s business, not ours.
> >
> > That said, Citrix gave CloudStack to the ASF back in 2012 and contributed
> > heavily in the early days to its development and maintenance. We should
> be
> > thankful to Citrix for donating this software and helping the community
> grow.
> > Giving it to the ASF was also the move that allows us to keep on going
> like
> > “business” as usual. We as a project do not depend on Citrix. Hence
> Citrix
> > selling its CloudPlatform business does not change our day to day.
> >
> > Over the years it is fair to say that Citrix involvement through the many
> > individuals participating on these lists as diminished, with the vast
> majority
> > of the work now carried on by others. If we were to do a ASF “faux-pas”
> and
> > actually check affiliation of the folks that are doing most of the
> development
> > and release work, we would see other companies than Citrix. Companies
> offering
> > CloudStack services but also and mostly CloudStack users, a few doing it
> as a
> > hobby and most because their company uses it. This is open source at its
> core,
> > folks using a software, loving it, loving their peers, and contributing
> back
> > for the benefit of everyone.
> >
> > It is impossible for me to say what Accelerite will do, I have had no
> contact
> > with them so far and did not know this sale was coming. Neither do I
> know what
> > will happen to all the fine Citrix engineers that were still working on
> > CloudStack. Whatever they do, I wish them the best and thank them for the
> > dedication to our project over the years. Early indication from the press
> > release seems to indicate that Accelerite will engage with us. If they
> do, we
> > will welcome them like any contributors to an ASF project. With openness,
> > transparency and respect (the Apache way).
> >
> > I do want to mention that I think this may be an opportunity for
> CloudStack.
> > Observers might think that our project is dead because of Citrix selling
> its
> > business, but they would be mis-informed about the nature of ASF
> projects. I
> > actually believe the contrary and think this will be a time where more
> users
> > and potentially companies will engage more actively. They will see that
> the
> > route to a successful Cloud is through engaging and becoming part of our
> > community. They will also finally stop thinking that CloudStack is a
> Citrix
> > product and that might be the kicker that brings them on board.
> >
> > Finally, being a technical guy, I like to focus on technical things. We
> have
> > done some great strides over the past 8 months, we have stabilized
> CloudStack
> > and are now releasing faster than ever, we have dockerized, we have
> pluginized,
> > we have had several events... In september we will go to Brazil for CCC.
> Brazil
> > is seeing a huge growth in CloudStack adoption.
> >
> > We still have a ton to do, from removing technical debt, fixing security
> issues,
> > improving packaging, making CloudStack ever more easier to develop and
> use.
> > This has not changed. We have some very important discussions going on
> around
> > LTS and GitHub hosting. If anything I think the container movement is a
> bigger
> > threat to our project than Citrix’s announcement. As companies start to
> embrace
> > the container ecosystem and building containerized applications, what
> happens
> > to CloudStack ? How does CloudStack work in a container world ? The same
> > question are valid for OpenStack by the way, I just don’t buy into the
> Magnum
> > effort, but I digress :)
> >
> > So thank you Citrix, we hope to welcome Accelerite and let’s keep on
> Stacking,
> >
> > [1]
> >
> https://www.citrix.com/blogs/2016/01/11/a-new-home-accelerite-to-acquire-cloudplatform/
> >
> > -Sebastien
> > VP Apache CloudStack
>
--
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Re: Thoughts on Citrix announcement yesterday
Posted by Nux! <nu...@li.nux.ro>.
Hi Sebastien,
Thanks for your thoughts! I for one am being optimistic about this change.
I'm also not worried about containers, I think you've spent too much time among hammers and now everything looks like a nail. :-)
There is a massive load of stuff that at the moment needs (data centre) virtualisation and Cloudstack is in a better shape than ever to take care of that.
So long Citrix and thanks for all the fish!
Hello Accelerite!
My 2 pence,
Lucian
--
Sent from the Delta quadrant using Borg technology!
Nux!
www.nux.ro
----- Original Message -----
> From: "Sebastien Goasguen" <ru...@gmail.com>
> To: dev@cloudstack.apache.org, users@cloudstack.apache.org, marketing@cloudstack.apache.org,
> private@cloudstack.apache.org
> Sent: Tuesday, 12 January, 2016 16:20:44
> Subject: Thoughts on Citrix announcement yesterday
> Hi everyone (cross-posting),
>
> Yesterday Citrix announced that it sold its CloudPlatform business to Accelerite
> from Persistent Systems [1]
>
> As you know CloudPlatform is Citrix’s commercial distribution of Apache
> CloudStack. I wanted to share a few thoughts on what this means for CloudStack.
>
> One of the core tenet of the Apache Software Foundation is non-affiliation to
> companies, as such all of us on these lists participate and contribute to
> CloudStack as individuals. While the majority of us who are contributing daily
> to CloudStack are actually doing it as part of our day jobs we still voice our
> opinions as individuals and companies do not (and should not) have influence on
> what we do. This is one of the things that makes ASF great. This is also one of
> the reasons why the ASF and us as a project will not comment on this
> announcement. It is Citrix’s business, not ours.
>
> That said, Citrix gave CloudStack to the ASF back in 2012 and contributed
> heavily in the early days to its development and maintenance. We should be
> thankful to Citrix for donating this software and helping the community grow.
> Giving it to the ASF was also the move that allows us to keep on going like
> “business” as usual. We as a project do not depend on Citrix. Hence Citrix
> selling its CloudPlatform business does not change our day to day.
>
> Over the years it is fair to say that Citrix involvement through the many
> individuals participating on these lists as diminished, with the vast majority
> of the work now carried on by others. If we were to do a ASF “faux-pas” and
> actually check affiliation of the folks that are doing most of the development
> and release work, we would see other companies than Citrix. Companies offering
> CloudStack services but also and mostly CloudStack users, a few doing it as a
> hobby and most because their company uses it. This is open source at its core,
> folks using a software, loving it, loving their peers, and contributing back
> for the benefit of everyone.
>
> It is impossible for me to say what Accelerite will do, I have had no contact
> with them so far and did not know this sale was coming. Neither do I know what
> will happen to all the fine Citrix engineers that were still working on
> CloudStack. Whatever they do, I wish them the best and thank them for the
> dedication to our project over the years. Early indication from the press
> release seems to indicate that Accelerite will engage with us. If they do, we
> will welcome them like any contributors to an ASF project. With openness,
> transparency and respect (the Apache way).
>
> I do want to mention that I think this may be an opportunity for CloudStack.
> Observers might think that our project is dead because of Citrix selling its
> business, but they would be mis-informed about the nature of ASF projects. I
> actually believe the contrary and think this will be a time where more users
> and potentially companies will engage more actively. They will see that the
> route to a successful Cloud is through engaging and becoming part of our
> community. They will also finally stop thinking that CloudStack is a Citrix
> product and that might be the kicker that brings them on board.
>
> Finally, being a technical guy, I like to focus on technical things. We have
> done some great strides over the past 8 months, we have stabilized CloudStack
> and are now releasing faster than ever, we have dockerized, we have pluginized,
> we have had several events... In september we will go to Brazil for CCC. Brazil
> is seeing a huge growth in CloudStack adoption.
>
> We still have a ton to do, from removing technical debt, fixing security issues,
> improving packaging, making CloudStack ever more easier to develop and use.
> This has not changed. We have some very important discussions going on around
> LTS and GitHub hosting. If anything I think the container movement is a bigger
> threat to our project than Citrix’s announcement. As companies start to embrace
> the container ecosystem and building containerized applications, what happens
> to CloudStack ? How does CloudStack work in a container world ? The same
> question are valid for OpenStack by the way, I just don’t buy into the Magnum
> effort, but I digress :)
>
> So thank you Citrix, we hope to welcome Accelerite and let’s keep on Stacking,
>
> [1]
> https://www.citrix.com/blogs/2016/01/11/a-new-home-accelerite-to-acquire-cloudplatform/
>
> -Sebastien
> VP Apache CloudStack
Re: Thoughts on Citrix announcement yesterday
Posted by Nux! <nu...@li.nux.ro>.
Hi Sebastien,
Thanks for your thoughts! I for one am being optimistic about this change.
I'm also not worried about containers, I think you've spent too much time among hammers and now everything looks like a nail. :-)
There is a massive load of stuff that at the moment needs (data centre) virtualisation and Cloudstack is in a better shape than ever to take care of that.
So long Citrix and thanks for all the fish!
Hello Accelerite!
My 2 pence,
Lucian
--
Sent from the Delta quadrant using Borg technology!
Nux!
www.nux.ro
----- Original Message -----
> From: "Sebastien Goasguen" <ru...@gmail.com>
> To: dev@cloudstack.apache.org, users@cloudstack.apache.org, marketing@cloudstack.apache.org,
> private@cloudstack.apache.org
> Sent: Tuesday, 12 January, 2016 16:20:44
> Subject: Thoughts on Citrix announcement yesterday
> Hi everyone (cross-posting),
>
> Yesterday Citrix announced that it sold its CloudPlatform business to Accelerite
> from Persistent Systems [1]
>
> As you know CloudPlatform is Citrix’s commercial distribution of Apache
> CloudStack. I wanted to share a few thoughts on what this means for CloudStack.
>
> One of the core tenet of the Apache Software Foundation is non-affiliation to
> companies, as such all of us on these lists participate and contribute to
> CloudStack as individuals. While the majority of us who are contributing daily
> to CloudStack are actually doing it as part of our day jobs we still voice our
> opinions as individuals and companies do not (and should not) have influence on
> what we do. This is one of the things that makes ASF great. This is also one of
> the reasons why the ASF and us as a project will not comment on this
> announcement. It is Citrix’s business, not ours.
>
> That said, Citrix gave CloudStack to the ASF back in 2012 and contributed
> heavily in the early days to its development and maintenance. We should be
> thankful to Citrix for donating this software and helping the community grow.
> Giving it to the ASF was also the move that allows us to keep on going like
> “business” as usual. We as a project do not depend on Citrix. Hence Citrix
> selling its CloudPlatform business does not change our day to day.
>
> Over the years it is fair to say that Citrix involvement through the many
> individuals participating on these lists as diminished, with the vast majority
> of the work now carried on by others. If we were to do a ASF “faux-pas” and
> actually check affiliation of the folks that are doing most of the development
> and release work, we would see other companies than Citrix. Companies offering
> CloudStack services but also and mostly CloudStack users, a few doing it as a
> hobby and most because their company uses it. This is open source at its core,
> folks using a software, loving it, loving their peers, and contributing back
> for the benefit of everyone.
>
> It is impossible for me to say what Accelerite will do, I have had no contact
> with them so far and did not know this sale was coming. Neither do I know what
> will happen to all the fine Citrix engineers that were still working on
> CloudStack. Whatever they do, I wish them the best and thank them for the
> dedication to our project over the years. Early indication from the press
> release seems to indicate that Accelerite will engage with us. If they do, we
> will welcome them like any contributors to an ASF project. With openness,
> transparency and respect (the Apache way).
>
> I do want to mention that I think this may be an opportunity for CloudStack.
> Observers might think that our project is dead because of Citrix selling its
> business, but they would be mis-informed about the nature of ASF projects. I
> actually believe the contrary and think this will be a time where more users
> and potentially companies will engage more actively. They will see that the
> route to a successful Cloud is through engaging and becoming part of our
> community. They will also finally stop thinking that CloudStack is a Citrix
> product and that might be the kicker that brings them on board.
>
> Finally, being a technical guy, I like to focus on technical things. We have
> done some great strides over the past 8 months, we have stabilized CloudStack
> and are now releasing faster than ever, we have dockerized, we have pluginized,
> we have had several events... In september we will go to Brazil for CCC. Brazil
> is seeing a huge growth in CloudStack adoption.
>
> We still have a ton to do, from removing technical debt, fixing security issues,
> improving packaging, making CloudStack ever more easier to develop and use.
> This has not changed. We have some very important discussions going on around
> LTS and GitHub hosting. If anything I think the container movement is a bigger
> threat to our project than Citrix’s announcement. As companies start to embrace
> the container ecosystem and building containerized applications, what happens
> to CloudStack ? How does CloudStack work in a container world ? The same
> question are valid for OpenStack by the way, I just don’t buy into the Magnum
> effort, but I digress :)
>
> So thank you Citrix, we hope to welcome Accelerite and let’s keep on Stacking,
>
> [1]
> https://www.citrix.com/blogs/2016/01/11/a-new-home-accelerite-to-acquire-cloudplatform/
>
> -Sebastien
> VP Apache CloudStack
Re: Thoughts on Citrix announcement yesterday
Posted by ilya <il...@gmail.com>.
I agree. I think Citrix ramped down the activity in the last year+ as
well (i can only assume it was due to pending sale), hopefully
Accelerite folks will bring new energy...
On 1/12/16 11:05 PM, Wei ZHOU wrote:
> Thanks Citrix for the large contributions !
>
> As far as I know, some core members left Citrix in the last two years. I
> think this deal does not have big impact for us.
>
> -Wei
>
>
> 2016-01-12 17:20 GMT+01:00 Sebastien Goasguen <ru...@gmail.com>:
>
>> Hi everyone (cross-posting),
>>
>> Yesterday Citrix announced that it sold its CloudPlatform business to
>> Accelerite from Persistent Systems [1]
>>
>> As you know CloudPlatform is Citrix’s commercial distribution of Apache
>> CloudStack. I wanted to share a few thoughts on what this means for
>> CloudStack.
>>
>> One of the core tenet of the Apache Software Foundation is non-affiliation
>> to companies, as such all of us on these lists participate and contribute
>> to CloudStack as individuals. While the majority of us who are contributing
>> daily to CloudStack are actually doing it as part of our day jobs we still
>> voice our opinions as individuals and companies do not (and should not)
>> have influence on what we do. This is one of the things that makes ASF
>> great. This is also one of the reasons why the ASF and us as a project
>> will not comment on this announcement. It is Citrix’s business, not ours.
>>
>> That said, Citrix gave CloudStack to the ASF back in 2012 and contributed
>> heavily in the early days to its development and maintenance. We should be
>> thankful to Citrix for donating this software and helping the community
>> grow. Giving it to the ASF was also the move that allows us to keep on
>> going like “business” as usual. We as a project do not depend on Citrix.
>> Hence Citrix selling its CloudPlatform business does not change our day to
>> day.
>>
>> Over the years it is fair to say that Citrix involvement through the many
>> individuals participating on these lists as diminished, with the vast
>> majority of the work now carried on by others. If we were to do a ASF
>> “faux-pas” and actually check affiliation of the folks that are doing most
>> of the development and release work, we would see other companies than
>> Citrix. Companies offering CloudStack services but also and mostly
>> CloudStack users, a few doing it as a hobby and most because their company
>> uses it. This is open source at its core, folks using a software, loving
>> it, loving their peers, and contributing back for the benefit of everyone.
>>
>> It is impossible for me to say what Accelerite will do, I have had no
>> contact with them so far and did not know this sale was coming. Neither do
>> I know what will happen to all the fine Citrix engineers that were still
>> working on CloudStack. Whatever they do, I wish them the best and thank
>> them for the dedication to our project over the years. Early indication
>> from the press release seems to indicate that Accelerite will engage with
>> us. If they do, we will welcome them like any contributors to an ASF
>> project. With openness, transparency and respect (the Apache way).
>>
>> I do want to mention that I think this may be an opportunity for
>> CloudStack. Observers might think that our project is dead because of
>> Citrix selling its business, but they would be mis-informed about the
>> nature of ASF projects. I actually believe the contrary and think this will
>> be a time where more users and potentially companies will engage more
>> actively. They will see that the route to a successful Cloud is through
>> engaging and becoming part of our community. They will also finally stop
>> thinking that CloudStack is a Citrix product and that might be the kicker
>> that brings them on board.
>>
>> Finally, being a technical guy, I like to focus on technical things. We
>> have done some great strides over the past 8 months, we have stabilized
>> CloudStack and are now releasing faster than ever, we have dockerized, we
>> have pluginized, we have had several events... In september we will go to
>> Brazil for CCC. Brazil is seeing a huge growth in CloudStack adoption.
>>
>> We still have a ton to do, from removing technical debt, fixing security
>> issues, improving packaging, making CloudStack ever more easier to develop
>> and use. This has not changed. We have some very important discussions
>> going on around LTS and GitHub hosting. If anything I think the container
>> movement is a bigger threat to our project than Citrix’s announcement. As
>> companies start to embrace the container ecosystem and building
>> containerized applications, what happens to CloudStack ? How does
>> CloudStack work in a container world ? The same question are valid for
>> OpenStack by the way, I just don’t buy into the Magnum effort, but I
>> digress :)
>>
>> So thank you Citrix, we hope to welcome Accelerite and let’s keep on
>> Stacking,
>>
>> [1]
>> https://www.citrix.com/blogs/2016/01/11/a-new-home-accelerite-to-acquire-cloudplatform/
>>
>> -Sebastien
>> VP Apache CloudStack
>
Re: Thoughts on Citrix announcement yesterday
Posted by Wei ZHOU <us...@gmail.com>.
Thanks Citrix for the large contributions !
As far as I know, some core members left Citrix in the last two years. I
think this deal does not have big impact for us.
-Wei
2016-01-12 17:20 GMT+01:00 Sebastien Goasguen <ru...@gmail.com>:
> Hi everyone (cross-posting),
>
> Yesterday Citrix announced that it sold its CloudPlatform business to
> Accelerite from Persistent Systems [1]
>
> As you know CloudPlatform is Citrix’s commercial distribution of Apache
> CloudStack. I wanted to share a few thoughts on what this means for
> CloudStack.
>
> One of the core tenet of the Apache Software Foundation is non-affiliation
> to companies, as such all of us on these lists participate and contribute
> to CloudStack as individuals. While the majority of us who are contributing
> daily to CloudStack are actually doing it as part of our day jobs we still
> voice our opinions as individuals and companies do not (and should not)
> have influence on what we do. This is one of the things that makes ASF
> great. This is also one of the reasons why the ASF and us as a project
> will not comment on this announcement. It is Citrix’s business, not ours.
>
> That said, Citrix gave CloudStack to the ASF back in 2012 and contributed
> heavily in the early days to its development and maintenance. We should be
> thankful to Citrix for donating this software and helping the community
> grow. Giving it to the ASF was also the move that allows us to keep on
> going like “business” as usual. We as a project do not depend on Citrix.
> Hence Citrix selling its CloudPlatform business does not change our day to
> day.
>
> Over the years it is fair to say that Citrix involvement through the many
> individuals participating on these lists as diminished, with the vast
> majority of the work now carried on by others. If we were to do a ASF
> “faux-pas” and actually check affiliation of the folks that are doing most
> of the development and release work, we would see other companies than
> Citrix. Companies offering CloudStack services but also and mostly
> CloudStack users, a few doing it as a hobby and most because their company
> uses it. This is open source at its core, folks using a software, loving
> it, loving their peers, and contributing back for the benefit of everyone.
>
> It is impossible for me to say what Accelerite will do, I have had no
> contact with them so far and did not know this sale was coming. Neither do
> I know what will happen to all the fine Citrix engineers that were still
> working on CloudStack. Whatever they do, I wish them the best and thank
> them for the dedication to our project over the years. Early indication
> from the press release seems to indicate that Accelerite will engage with
> us. If they do, we will welcome them like any contributors to an ASF
> project. With openness, transparency and respect (the Apache way).
>
> I do want to mention that I think this may be an opportunity for
> CloudStack. Observers might think that our project is dead because of
> Citrix selling its business, but they would be mis-informed about the
> nature of ASF projects. I actually believe the contrary and think this will
> be a time where more users and potentially companies will engage more
> actively. They will see that the route to a successful Cloud is through
> engaging and becoming part of our community. They will also finally stop
> thinking that CloudStack is a Citrix product and that might be the kicker
> that brings them on board.
>
> Finally, being a technical guy, I like to focus on technical things. We
> have done some great strides over the past 8 months, we have stabilized
> CloudStack and are now releasing faster than ever, we have dockerized, we
> have pluginized, we have had several events... In september we will go to
> Brazil for CCC. Brazil is seeing a huge growth in CloudStack adoption.
>
> We still have a ton to do, from removing technical debt, fixing security
> issues, improving packaging, making CloudStack ever more easier to develop
> and use. This has not changed. We have some very important discussions
> going on around LTS and GitHub hosting. If anything I think the container
> movement is a bigger threat to our project than Citrix’s announcement. As
> companies start to embrace the container ecosystem and building
> containerized applications, what happens to CloudStack ? How does
> CloudStack work in a container world ? The same question are valid for
> OpenStack by the way, I just don’t buy into the Magnum effort, but I
> digress :)
>
> So thank you Citrix, we hope to welcome Accelerite and let’s keep on
> Stacking,
>
> [1]
> https://www.citrix.com/blogs/2016/01/11/a-new-home-accelerite-to-acquire-cloudplatform/
>
> -Sebastien
> VP Apache CloudStack
Re: Thoughts on Citrix announcement yesterday
Posted by Madan Ganesh Velayudham <ma...@actonmagic.com>.
Hi Sebastien,
Thanks for sharing your thoughts. I concur with your thoughts.
I was part of both of these teams earlier, in my opinion, this is the best
thing that could have happened for CCP product and team.
We look forward to extend our support the new Accelerite to our community.
Thank you Citrix and team.
*Action speaks more than words*,
Lets continue to rock with solid ACS and enable more enterprises/SMBs to
adopt the ACS technology.
Happy Cloudstacking,
Cheers,
Madan
On Tue, Jan 12, 2016 at 9:51 PM Sebastien Goasguen <ru...@gmail.com> wrote:
> Hi everyone (cross-posting),
>
> Yesterday Citrix announced that it sold its CloudPlatform business to
> Accelerite from Persistent Systems [1]
>
> As you know CloudPlatform is Citrix’s commercial distribution of Apache
> CloudStack. I wanted to share a few thoughts on what this means for
> CloudStack.
>
> One of the core tenet of the Apache Software Foundation is non-affiliation
> to companies, as such all of us on these lists participate and contribute
> to CloudStack as individuals. While the majority of us who are contributing
> daily to CloudStack are actually doing it as part of our day jobs we still
> voice our opinions as individuals and companies do not (and should not)
> have influence on what we do. This is one of the things that makes ASF
> great. This is also one of the reasons why the ASF and us as a project
> will not comment on this announcement. It is Citrix’s business, not ours.
>
> That said, Citrix gave CloudStack to the ASF back in 2012 and contributed
> heavily in the early days to its development and maintenance. We should be
> thankful to Citrix for donating this software and helping the community
> grow. Giving it to the ASF was also the move that allows us to keep on
> going like “business” as usual. We as a project do not depend on Citrix.
> Hence Citrix selling its CloudPlatform business does not change our day to
> day.
>
> Over the years it is fair to say that Citrix involvement through the many
> individuals participating on these lists as diminished, with the vast
> majority of the work now carried on by others. If we were to do a ASF
> “faux-pas” and actually check affiliation of the folks that are doing most
> of the development and release work, we would see other companies than
> Citrix. Companies offering CloudStack services but also and mostly
> CloudStack users, a few doing it as a hobby and most because their company
> uses it. This is open source at its core, folks using a software, loving
> it, loving their peers, and contributing back for the benefit of everyone.
>
> It is impossible for me to say what Accelerite will do, I have had no
> contact with them so far and did not know this sale was coming. Neither do
> I know what will happen to all the fine Citrix engineers that were still
> working on CloudStack. Whatever they do, I wish them the best and thank
> them for the dedication to our project over the years. Early indication
> from the press release seems to indicate that Accelerite will engage with
> us. If they do, we will welcome them like any contributors to an ASF
> project. With openness, transparency and respect (the Apache way).
>
> I do want to mention that I think this may be an opportunity for
> CloudStack. Observers might think that our project is dead because of
> Citrix selling its business, but they would be mis-informed about the
> nature of ASF projects. I actually believe the contrary and think this will
> be a time where more users and potentially companies will engage more
> actively. They will see that the route to a successful Cloud is through
> engaging and becoming part of our community. They will also finally stop
> thinking that CloudStack is a Citrix product and that might be the kicker
> that brings them on board.
>
> Finally, being a technical guy, I like to focus on technical things. We
> have done some great strides over the past 8 months, we have stabilized
> CloudStack and are now releasing faster than ever, we have dockerized, we
> have pluginized, we have had several events... In september we will go to
> Brazil for CCC. Brazil is seeing a huge growth in CloudStack adoption.
>
> We still have a ton to do, from removing technical debt, fixing security
> issues, improving packaging, making CloudStack ever more easier to develop
> and use. This has not changed. We have some very important discussions
> going on around LTS and GitHub hosting. If anything I think the container
> movement is a bigger threat to our project than Citrix’s announcement. As
> companies start to embrace the container ecosystem and building
> containerized applications, what happens to CloudStack ? How does
> CloudStack work in a container world ? The same question are valid for
> OpenStack by the way, I just don’t buy into the Magnum effort, but I
> digress :)
>
> So thank you Citrix, we hope to welcome Accelerite and let’s keep on
> Stacking,
>
> [1]
> https://www.citrix.com/blogs/2016/01/11/a-new-home-accelerite-to-acquire-cloudplatform/
>
> -Sebastien
> VP Apache CloudStack
--
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Founder & CEO
ActOnMagic
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*www.actoncloud.com <http://www.actoncloud.com>*
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Re: Thoughts on Citrix announcement yesterday
Posted by Nux! <nu...@li.nux.ro>.
Hi Sebastien,
Thanks for your thoughts! I for one am being optimistic about this change.
I'm also not worried about containers, I think you've spent too much time among hammers and now everything looks like a nail. :-)
There is a massive load of stuff that at the moment needs (data centre) virtualisation and Cloudstack is in a better shape than ever to take care of that.
So long Citrix and thanks for all the fish!
Hello Accelerite!
My 2 pence,
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----- Original Message -----
> From: "Sebastien Goasguen" <ru...@gmail.com>
> To: dev@cloudstack.apache.org, users@cloudstack.apache.org, marketing@cloudstack.apache.org,
> private@cloudstack.apache.org
> Sent: Tuesday, 12 January, 2016 16:20:44
> Subject: Thoughts on Citrix announcement yesterday
> Hi everyone (cross-posting),
>
> Yesterday Citrix announced that it sold its CloudPlatform business to Accelerite
> from Persistent Systems [1]
>
> As you know CloudPlatform is Citrix’s commercial distribution of Apache
> CloudStack. I wanted to share a few thoughts on what this means for CloudStack.
>
> One of the core tenet of the Apache Software Foundation is non-affiliation to
> companies, as such all of us on these lists participate and contribute to
> CloudStack as individuals. While the majority of us who are contributing daily
> to CloudStack are actually doing it as part of our day jobs we still voice our
> opinions as individuals and companies do not (and should not) have influence on
> what we do. This is one of the things that makes ASF great. This is also one of
> the reasons why the ASF and us as a project will not comment on this
> announcement. It is Citrix’s business, not ours.
>
> That said, Citrix gave CloudStack to the ASF back in 2012 and contributed
> heavily in the early days to its development and maintenance. We should be
> thankful to Citrix for donating this software and helping the community grow.
> Giving it to the ASF was also the move that allows us to keep on going like
> “business” as usual. We as a project do not depend on Citrix. Hence Citrix
> selling its CloudPlatform business does not change our day to day.
>
> Over the years it is fair to say that Citrix involvement through the many
> individuals participating on these lists as diminished, with the vast majority
> of the work now carried on by others. If we were to do a ASF “faux-pas” and
> actually check affiliation of the folks that are doing most of the development
> and release work, we would see other companies than Citrix. Companies offering
> CloudStack services but also and mostly CloudStack users, a few doing it as a
> hobby and most because their company uses it. This is open source at its core,
> folks using a software, loving it, loving their peers, and contributing back
> for the benefit of everyone.
>
> It is impossible for me to say what Accelerite will do, I have had no contact
> with them so far and did not know this sale was coming. Neither do I know what
> will happen to all the fine Citrix engineers that were still working on
> CloudStack. Whatever they do, I wish them the best and thank them for the
> dedication to our project over the years. Early indication from the press
> release seems to indicate that Accelerite will engage with us. If they do, we
> will welcome them like any contributors to an ASF project. With openness,
> transparency and respect (the Apache way).
>
> I do want to mention that I think this may be an opportunity for CloudStack.
> Observers might think that our project is dead because of Citrix selling its
> business, but they would be mis-informed about the nature of ASF projects. I
> actually believe the contrary and think this will be a time where more users
> and potentially companies will engage more actively. They will see that the
> route to a successful Cloud is through engaging and becoming part of our
> community. They will also finally stop thinking that CloudStack is a Citrix
> product and that might be the kicker that brings them on board.
>
> Finally, being a technical guy, I like to focus on technical things. We have
> done some great strides over the past 8 months, we have stabilized CloudStack
> and are now releasing faster than ever, we have dockerized, we have pluginized,
> we have had several events... In september we will go to Brazil for CCC. Brazil
> is seeing a huge growth in CloudStack adoption.
>
> We still have a ton to do, from removing technical debt, fixing security issues,
> improving packaging, making CloudStack ever more easier to develop and use.
> This has not changed. We have some very important discussions going on around
> LTS and GitHub hosting. If anything I think the container movement is a bigger
> threat to our project than Citrix’s announcement. As companies start to embrace
> the container ecosystem and building containerized applications, what happens
> to CloudStack ? How does CloudStack work in a container world ? The same
> question are valid for OpenStack by the way, I just don’t buy into the Magnum
> effort, but I digress :)
>
> So thank you Citrix, we hope to welcome Accelerite and let’s keep on Stacking,
>
> [1]
> https://www.citrix.com/blogs/2016/01/11/a-new-home-accelerite-to-acquire-cloudplatform/
>
> -Sebastien
> VP Apache CloudStack