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Posted to user@nutch.apache.org by Santosh Mahto <sa...@gmail.com> on 2012/10/19 23:48:53 UTC
Image search engine based on nutch/solr
Hi all
I was trying to make search engine based on nutch/solr/cassandra. I was
succesful in configuring text based search
engine.
But I had problem in configuring image search engine(text based search but
result should be images e.g google images).
I was checking the nutch reference but got completely confused. from some
link i got the info that nutch doesnot support
image indexing. but as I enabled the regex-urlfilter.txt or other xml file
then it seemed that nutch was crawling(fetching) the
image site data. but I am still not sure whether it does indexing on images
or not.
I am using latest nutch 2.1 . and solr4.1...
I have few question:
1. Does nutch support images crawling and indexing(or how much support is
there)
2. As I got some link where apache-tika plugin is used to make image search
engine, with little exploration i found
tikka is defaulted in nutch(as I think ,not sure) . so is image seaching
also happens by default.
3. As I think i also need to configure solr to show the image result .
could you guide me what extra configuration need to be set in solr side
Note: If anyone could guide me to enable image based search engine from
basic(nutch side + solr side) then it would be great.
please dont explain in short otherwise I would not understand anythin
Re: Image search engine based on nutch/solr
Posted by Lewis John Mcgibbney <le...@gmail.com>.
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Re: Image search engine based on nutch/solr
Posted by Paul Nigi <pa...@gmail.com>.
For Christ sake can somebody unsubscribe my email.
On Thu, Jan 10, 2013 at 1:42 PM, Gora Mohanty <go...@mimirtech.com> wrote:
> On 10 January 2013 23:52, alxsss <al...@aim.com> wrote:
> > Hi,
> >
> > One advantage of storing thumbnails in a separate folder is that the
> index
> > size will be much less. However, I recently have heard that linux systems
> > have problem storing millions of files under a folder?
>
> Haven't had occasion to try it, but my understanding was that
> new file systems like ext4 support billions of files per directory,
> and that the size of the inode table can be tuned. Here is one
> supporting link:
>
> http://serverfault.com/questions/104986/what-is-the-maximum-number-of-files-a-file-system-can-contain
> What might be problematic on a directory with a large number
> of files is "ls", and certain other coreutils programs.
>
> >
> Also, I checked
> > google and yandex image search and it seems that both of them store files
> > under a folder, since their src links for images are
> >
> https://encrypted-tbn3.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcSGL7cSq_9YwSB3sUc6p2CcjioRrtYxouBcgVbo_063ghF8DODZ
> ,
> > http://im0-tub-ru.yandex.net/i?id=209844222-71-72&n=21 respectively.
>
> Sorry, how do you conclude from the URLs that the files are
> stored in a single folder?
>
> In general, I would think that storing files on the filesystem,
> with a path stored in the Solr index makes sense. There has
> been a lot of work put into efficiently reading static files by a
> web server from a filesystem. This should also be easy to test.
>
> Regards,
> Gora
>
Re: Image search engine based on nutch/solr
Posted by Gora Mohanty <go...@mimirtech.com>.
On 10 January 2013 23:52, alxsss <al...@aim.com> wrote:
> Hi,
>
> One advantage of storing thumbnails in a separate folder is that the index
> size will be much less. However, I recently have heard that linux systems
> have problem storing millions of files under a folder?
Haven't had occasion to try it, but my understanding was that
new file systems like ext4 support billions of files per directory,
and that the size of the inode table can be tuned. Here is one
supporting link:
http://serverfault.com/questions/104986/what-is-the-maximum-number-of-files-a-file-system-can-contain
What might be problematic on a directory with a large number
of files is "ls", and certain other coreutils programs.
> Also, I checked
> google and yandex image search and it seems that both of them store files
> under a folder, since their src links for images are
> https://encrypted-tbn3.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcSGL7cSq_9YwSB3sUc6p2CcjioRrtYxouBcgVbo_063ghF8DODZ,
> http://im0-tub-ru.yandex.net/i?id=209844222-71-72&n=21 respectively.
Sorry, how do you conclude from the URLs that the files are
stored in a single folder?
In general, I would think that storing files on the filesystem,
with a path stored in the Solr index makes sense. There has
been a lot of work put into efficiently reading static files by a
web server from a filesystem. This should also be easy to test.
Regards,
Gora
Re: Image search engine based on nutch/solr
Posted by alxsss <al...@aim.com>.
Hi,
One advantage of storing thumbnails in a separate folder is that the index
size will be much less. However, I recently have heard that linux systems
have problem storing millions of files under a folder? Also, I checked
google and yandex image search and it seems that both of them store files
under a folder, since their src links for images are
https://encrypted-tbn3.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcSGL7cSq_9YwSB3sUc6p2CcjioRrtYxouBcgVbo_063ghF8DODZ,
http://im0-tub-ru.yandex.net/i?id=209844222-71-72&n=21 respectively.
Can anyone comment on this problem?
Thanks.
Alex.
Jorge Luis Betancourt Gonzalez wrote
> Hi Alex:
>
> For us was just a question of taste, if you like. We keep 2 different solr
> cores in our configuration one to store all kind of documents, from HTML,
> PDF, DOC, etc. and other for images, we decided this because the
> difference between the 2 schemas were big and of course its "cleaner" to
> keep this things separated. Inside the image index in our solr
> configuration we store the thumbnail, which is only a base64 encoded
> string. I think that one plus of this approach is that when we do queries
> against the solr index (in which we store the images) with one query we
> get all the data required to display the results page (built using
> symfony2 and solarium), if we store the images as files in a normal
> filesystem, we also need to request the web server for the thumbnails,
> which could slow down the render of the page. Again this is not bullet
> proof, in this approach we reduce the number of requests, but increase the
> network traffic per request to solr and eventually to the client, which
> depending on the environment could not bet acceptable.
>
> Another plus could be the simplicity gained when deploying our stack,
> right now we just need to deploy the solr index into a shiny new server,
> if we keep the images in the filesystem have to deploy also some NFS
> infrastructure to keep the image available an any time, and perhaps we
> should consider using a separated server just for storing the thumbnails
> and configuring a lightweight web server with a special configuration for
> serve this.
>
> Any way I don't think this is "silver bullets" to storing thumbnails, this
> are just the considerations that lead us into this approach, any comments
> or suggestions are welcome from Alex or anyone else.
>
> Greetings,
>
> On Oct 21, 2012, at 10:51 PM,
> alxsss@
> wrote:
>
>> Hello,
>>
>> I have also written this kind of plugin. But instead of putting thumbnail
>> files in solr index they are put in a folder. Only, filenames are kept in
>> the solr index.
>>
>> I wondered what is the advantage of putting thumbnail files in the solr
>> index?
>>
>> Thanks in advance.
>> Alex.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: Jorge Luis Betancourt Gonzalez <
> jlbetancourt@
> >
>> To: user <
> user@.apache
> >
>> Sent: Sun, Oct 21, 2012 7:26 pm
>> Subject: Re: Image search engine based on nutch/solr
>>
>>
>> Hi,
>>
>> As Lewis say before, if you are going to use nutch for image retrieval
>> and
>> indexing in solr, you'll need to invest some time writing some tools
>> depending
>> on your needs. I've been working on a search engine using nutch for the
>> crawling
>> process and solr as an indexing server, the typical use, when we start
>> dealing
>> with images we became aware that nutch (through the tike project) extract
>> to few
>> information about the image "per se" (basically only metadata, gets
>> extracted),
>> I think that this is the biggest problem with nutch. One particular
>> requirement
>> for me was to show a thumbnail of the image, so I wrote a plugin that
>> generates
>> the thumbnail, then encode it using base64 and store it in the solr
>> index. Other
>> need was to annotate the image with the surrounding text to improve the
>> search,
>> I also write a plugin for this.
>>
>> Summarizing, nutch it's a very good start point, but depending on your
>> particular needs you'll have to write some plugins on your own.
>>
>> Greetings
>>
>> On Oct 20, 2012, at 10:02 AM, Lewis John Mcgibbney <
> lewis.mcgibbney@
> >
>> wrote:
>>
>>> Hi,
>>>
>>> On Fri, Oct 19, 2012 at 10:48 PM, Santosh Mahto
>>> <
> santosh.inbox7@
> > wrote:
>>>> Hi all
>>>
>>>> I have few question:
>>>> 1. Does nutch support images crawling and indexing(or how much support
>>>> is
>>>> there)
>>>
>>> Depending on how you wish to process and then present your images e.g.
>>> as thumbnails for example, I would say you need to invest some time
>>> writing a custom parser for images. You can read a pretty thorough and
>>> comprehensive thread [0] on this topic.
>>>
>>>> 2. As I got some link where apache-tika plugin is used to make image
>>>> search
>>>> engine, with little exploration i found
>>>> tikka is defaulted in nutch(as I think ,not sure) . so is image
>>>> seaching
>>>> also happens by default.
>>>
>>> Image processing and indexing is not enabled my default in the above
>>> context
>>>
>>>> 3. As I think i also need to configure solr to show the image result .
>>>> could you guide me what extra configuration need to be set in solr side
>>>
>>> Unless someone here who has worked with image indexing in Solr can
>>> help you in a more verbose manner than me, I would certainly direct
>>> you to thee solr-user@ list archives [1]. There appears to be plenty
>>> there.
>>>
>>> hth
>>>
>>> Lewis
>>>
>>> [0] http://www.mail-archive.com/
> user@.apache
> /msg06758.html
>>> [1]
>>> http://www.mail-archive.com/search?q=image&l=solr-user%40lucene.apache.org
>>>
>>> 10mo. ANIVERSARIO DE LA CREACION DE LA UNIVERSIDAD DE LAS CIENCIAS
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>>
>>
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Re: Image search engine based on nutch/solr
Posted by Jorge Luis Betancourt Gonzalez <jl...@uci.cu>.
Hi Alex:
For us was just a question of taste, if you like. We keep 2 different solr cores in our configuration one to store all kind of documents, from HTML, PDF, DOC, etc. and other for images, we decided this because the difference between the 2 schemas were big and of course its "cleaner" to keep this things separated. Inside the image index in our solr configuration we store the thumbnail, which is only a base64 encoded string. I think that one plus of this approach is that when we do queries against the solr index (in which we store the images) with one query we get all the data required to display the results page (built using symfony2 and solarium), if we store the images as files in a normal filesystem, we also need to request the web server for the thumbnails, which could slow down the render of the page. Again this is not bullet proof, in this approach we reduce the number of requests, but increase the network traffic per request to solr and eventually to the client, which depending on the environment could not bet acceptable.
Another plus could be the simplicity gained when deploying our stack, right now we just need to deploy the solr index into a shiny new server, if we keep the images in the filesystem have to deploy also some NFS infrastructure to keep the image available an any time, and perhaps we should consider using a separated server just for storing the thumbnails and configuring a lightweight web server with a special configuration for serve this.
Any way I don't think this is "silver bullets" to storing thumbnails, this are just the considerations that lead us into this approach, any comments or suggestions are welcome from Alex or anyone else.
Greetings,
On Oct 21, 2012, at 10:51 PM, alxsss@aim.com wrote:
> Hello,
>
> I have also written this kind of plugin. But instead of putting thumbnail files in solr index they are put in a folder. Only, filenames are kept in the solr index.
>
> I wondered what is the advantage of putting thumbnail files in the solr index?
>
> Thanks in advance.
> Alex.
>
>
>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Jorge Luis Betancourt Gonzalez <jl...@uci.cu>
> To: user <us...@nutch.apache.org>
> Sent: Sun, Oct 21, 2012 7:26 pm
> Subject: Re: Image search engine based on nutch/solr
>
>
> Hi,
>
> As Lewis say before, if you are going to use nutch for image retrieval and
> indexing in solr, you'll need to invest some time writing some tools depending
> on your needs. I've been working on a search engine using nutch for the crawling
> process and solr as an indexing server, the typical use, when we start dealing
> with images we became aware that nutch (through the tike project) extract to few
> information about the image "per se" (basically only metadata, gets extracted),
> I think that this is the biggest problem with nutch. One particular requirement
> for me was to show a thumbnail of the image, so I wrote a plugin that generates
> the thumbnail, then encode it using base64 and store it in the solr index. Other
> need was to annotate the image with the surrounding text to improve the search,
> I also write a plugin for this.
>
> Summarizing, nutch it's a very good start point, but depending on your
> particular needs you'll have to write some plugins on your own.
>
> Greetings
>
> On Oct 20, 2012, at 10:02 AM, Lewis John Mcgibbney <le...@gmail.com>
> wrote:
>
>> Hi,
>>
>> On Fri, Oct 19, 2012 at 10:48 PM, Santosh Mahto
>> <sa...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>> Hi all
>>
>>> I have few question:
>>> 1. Does nutch support images crawling and indexing(or how much support is
>>> there)
>>
>> Depending on how you wish to process and then present your images e.g.
>> as thumbnails for example, I would say you need to invest some time
>> writing a custom parser for images. You can read a pretty thorough and
>> comprehensive thread [0] on this topic.
>>
>>> 2. As I got some link where apache-tika plugin is used to make image search
>>> engine, with little exploration i found
>>> tikka is defaulted in nutch(as I think ,not sure) . so is image seaching
>>> also happens by default.
>>
>> Image processing and indexing is not enabled my default in the above context
>>
>>> 3. As I think i also need to configure solr to show the image result .
>>> could you guide me what extra configuration need to be set in solr side
>>
>> Unless someone here who has worked with image indexing in Solr can
>> help you in a more verbose manner than me, I would certainly direct
>> you to thee solr-user@ list archives [1]. There appears to be plenty
>> there.
>>
>> hth
>>
>> Lewis
>>
>> [0] http://www.mail-archive.com/user@nutch.apache.org/msg06758.html
>> [1] http://www.mail-archive.com/search?q=image&l=solr-user%40lucene.apache.org
>>
>> 10mo. ANIVERSARIO DE LA CREACION DE LA UNIVERSIDAD DE LAS CIENCIAS
> INFORMATICAS...
>> CONECTADOS AL FUTURO, CONECTADOS A LA REVOLUCION
>>
>> http://www.uci.cu
>> http://www.facebook.com/universidad.uci
>> http://www.flickr.com/photos/universidad_uci
>
>
> 10mo. ANIVERSARIO DE LA CREACION DE LA UNIVERSIDAD DE LAS CIENCIAS
> INFORMATICAS...
> CONECTADOS AL FUTURO, CONECTADOS A LA REVOLUCION
>
> http://www.uci.cu
> http://www.facebook.com/universidad.uci
> http://www.flickr.com/photos/universidad_uci
>
>
>
>
> 10mo. ANIVERSARIO DE LA CREACION DE LA UNIVERSIDAD DE LAS CIENCIAS INFORMATICAS...
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Re: Image search engine based on nutch/solr
Posted by al...@aim.com.
Hello,
I have also written this kind of plugin. But instead of putting thumbnail files in solr index they are put in a folder. Only, filenames are kept in the solr index.
I wondered what is the advantage of putting thumbnail files in the solr index?
Thanks in advance.
Alex.
-----Original Message-----
From: Jorge Luis Betancourt Gonzalez <jl...@uci.cu>
To: user <us...@nutch.apache.org>
Sent: Sun, Oct 21, 2012 7:26 pm
Subject: Re: Image search engine based on nutch/solr
Hi,
As Lewis say before, if you are going to use nutch for image retrieval and
indexing in solr, you'll need to invest some time writing some tools depending
on your needs. I've been working on a search engine using nutch for the crawling
process and solr as an indexing server, the typical use, when we start dealing
with images we became aware that nutch (through the tike project) extract to few
information about the image "per se" (basically only metadata, gets extracted),
I think that this is the biggest problem with nutch. One particular requirement
for me was to show a thumbnail of the image, so I wrote a plugin that generates
the thumbnail, then encode it using base64 and store it in the solr index. Other
need was to annotate the image with the surrounding text to improve the search,
I also write a plugin for this.
Summarizing, nutch it's a very good start point, but depending on your
particular needs you'll have to write some plugins on your own.
Greetings
On Oct 20, 2012, at 10:02 AM, Lewis John Mcgibbney <le...@gmail.com>
wrote:
> Hi,
>
> On Fri, Oct 19, 2012 at 10:48 PM, Santosh Mahto
> <sa...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> Hi all
>
>> I have few question:
>> 1. Does nutch support images crawling and indexing(or how much support is
>> there)
>
> Depending on how you wish to process and then present your images e.g.
> as thumbnails for example, I would say you need to invest some time
> writing a custom parser for images. You can read a pretty thorough and
> comprehensive thread [0] on this topic.
>
>> 2. As I got some link where apache-tika plugin is used to make image search
>> engine, with little exploration i found
>> tikka is defaulted in nutch(as I think ,not sure) . so is image seaching
>> also happens by default.
>
> Image processing and indexing is not enabled my default in the above context
>
>> 3. As I think i also need to configure solr to show the image result .
>> could you guide me what extra configuration need to be set in solr side
>
> Unless someone here who has worked with image indexing in Solr can
> help you in a more verbose manner than me, I would certainly direct
> you to thee solr-user@ list archives [1]. There appears to be plenty
> there.
>
> hth
>
> Lewis
>
> [0] http://www.mail-archive.com/user@nutch.apache.org/msg06758.html
> [1] http://www.mail-archive.com/search?q=image&l=solr-user%40lucene.apache.org
>
> 10mo. ANIVERSARIO DE LA CREACION DE LA UNIVERSIDAD DE LAS CIENCIAS
INFORMATICAS...
> CONECTADOS AL FUTURO, CONECTADOS A LA REVOLUCION
>
> http://www.uci.cu
> http://www.facebook.com/universidad.uci
> http://www.flickr.com/photos/universidad_uci
10mo. ANIVERSARIO DE LA CREACION DE LA UNIVERSIDAD DE LAS CIENCIAS
INFORMATICAS...
CONECTADOS AL FUTURO, CONECTADOS A LA REVOLUCION
http://www.uci.cu
http://www.facebook.com/universidad.uci
http://www.flickr.com/photos/universidad_uci
Re: Image search engine based on nutch/solr
Posted by Jorge Luis Betancourt Gonzalez <jl...@uci.cu>.
Hi,
As Lewis say before, if you are going to use nutch for image retrieval and indexing in solr, you'll need to invest some time writing some tools depending on your needs. I've been working on a search engine using nutch for the crawling process and solr as an indexing server, the typical use, when we start dealing with images we became aware that nutch (through the tike project) extract to few information about the image "per se" (basically only metadata, gets extracted), I think that this is the biggest problem with nutch. One particular requirement for me was to show a thumbnail of the image, so I wrote a plugin that generates the thumbnail, then encode it using base64 and store it in the solr index. Other need was to annotate the image with the surrounding text to improve the search, I also write a plugin for this.
Summarizing, nutch it's a very good start point, but depending on your particular needs you'll have to write some plugins on your own.
Greetings
On Oct 20, 2012, at 10:02 AM, Lewis John Mcgibbney <le...@gmail.com> wrote:
> Hi,
>
> On Fri, Oct 19, 2012 at 10:48 PM, Santosh Mahto
> <sa...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> Hi all
>
>> I have few question:
>> 1. Does nutch support images crawling and indexing(or how much support is
>> there)
>
> Depending on how you wish to process and then present your images e.g.
> as thumbnails for example, I would say you need to invest some time
> writing a custom parser for images. You can read a pretty thorough and
> comprehensive thread [0] on this topic.
>
>> 2. As I got some link where apache-tika plugin is used to make image search
>> engine, with little exploration i found
>> tikka is defaulted in nutch(as I think ,not sure) . so is image seaching
>> also happens by default.
>
> Image processing and indexing is not enabled my default in the above context
>
>> 3. As I think i also need to configure solr to show the image result .
>> could you guide me what extra configuration need to be set in solr side
>
> Unless someone here who has worked with image indexing in Solr can
> help you in a more verbose manner than me, I would certainly direct
> you to thee solr-user@ list archives [1]. There appears to be plenty
> there.
>
> hth
>
> Lewis
>
> [0] http://www.mail-archive.com/user@nutch.apache.org/msg06758.html
> [1] http://www.mail-archive.com/search?q=image&l=solr-user%40lucene.apache.org
>
> 10mo. ANIVERSARIO DE LA CREACION DE LA UNIVERSIDAD DE LAS CIENCIAS INFORMATICAS...
> CONECTADOS AL FUTURO, CONECTADOS A LA REVOLUCION
>
> http://www.uci.cu
> http://www.facebook.com/universidad.uci
> http://www.flickr.com/photos/universidad_uci
10mo. ANIVERSARIO DE LA CREACION DE LA UNIVERSIDAD DE LAS CIENCIAS INFORMATICAS...
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http://www.facebook.com/universidad.uci
http://www.flickr.com/photos/universidad_uci
Re: Image search engine based on nutch/solr
Posted by Lewis John Mcgibbney <le...@gmail.com>.
Hi,
On Fri, Oct 19, 2012 at 10:48 PM, Santosh Mahto
<sa...@gmail.com> wrote:
> Hi all
> I have few question:
> 1. Does nutch support images crawling and indexing(or how much support is
> there)
Depending on how you wish to process and then present your images e.g.
as thumbnails for example, I would say you need to invest some time
writing a custom parser for images. You can read a pretty thorough and
comprehensive thread [0] on this topic.
> 2. As I got some link where apache-tika plugin is used to make image search
> engine, with little exploration i found
> tikka is defaulted in nutch(as I think ,not sure) . so is image seaching
> also happens by default.
Image processing and indexing is not enabled my default in the above context
> 3. As I think i also need to configure solr to show the image result .
> could you guide me what extra configuration need to be set in solr side
Unless someone here who has worked with image indexing in Solr can
help you in a more verbose manner than me, I would certainly direct
you to thee solr-user@ list archives [1]. There appears to be plenty
there.
hth
Lewis
[0] http://www.mail-archive.com/user@nutch.apache.org/msg06758.html
[1] http://www.mail-archive.com/search?q=image&l=solr-user%40lucene.apache.org