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Posted to dev@apr.apache.org by Jeff Trawick <tr...@gmail.com> on 2012/04/08 15:48:55 UTC
modes of discussion
Some of the behavior here is embarrassing. Yelling about not
following procedures that nobody else even follows as stated,
threatening, whining, crudity or at least making fun of objections to
crudity, extreme defensiveness, etc. do not reflect well on us or our
ability to do anything together. Even without staking out extreme
positions, attempts to communicate concerns in the simplest manner can
elicit very strong emotional reactions which feed the frenzy. Some
less active participants must see it as a poor statement on the human
condition that there can be such fireworks about such a simple little
project.
We need to try harder to avoid the extreme offensive and defensive
positions and acknowledge that e-mail is a limited tool in the best of
circumstances, and that some of us are enigmas to each other even in
the best of circumstances.
Re: modes of discussion
Posted by Rainer Jung <ra...@kippdata.de>.
On 08.04.2012 15:48, Jeff Trawick wrote:
> Some of the behavior here is embarrassing. Yelling about not
> following procedures that nobody else even follows as stated,
> threatening, whining, crudity or at least making fun of objections to
> crudity, extreme defensiveness, etc. do not reflect well on us or our
> ability to do anything together. Even without staking out extreme
> positions, attempts to communicate concerns in the simplest manner can
> elicit very strong emotional reactions which feed the frenzy. Some
> less active participants must see it as a poor statement on the human
> condition that there can be such fireworks about such a simple little
> project.
>
> We need to try harder to avoid the extreme offensive and defensive
> positions and acknowledge that e-mail is a limited tool in the best of
> circumstances, and that some of us are enigmas to each other even in
> the best of circumstances.
+1, thank you Jeff.
Regards,
Rainer
Re: modes of discussion
Posted by Ruediger Pluem <rp...@apache.org>.
Jeff Trawick wrote:
> Some of the behavior here is embarrassing. Yelling about not
> following procedures that nobody else even follows as stated,
> threatening, whining, crudity or at least making fun of objections to
> crudity, extreme defensiveness, etc. do not reflect well on us or our
> ability to do anything together. Even without staking out extreme
> positions, attempts to communicate concerns in the simplest manner can
> elicit very strong emotional reactions which feed the frenzy. Some
> less active participants must see it as a poor statement on the human
> condition that there can be such fireworks about such a simple little
> project.
>
> We need to try harder to avoid the extreme offensive and defensive
> positions and acknowledge that e-mail is a limited tool in the best of
> circumstances, and that some of us are enigmas to each other even in
> the best of circumstances.
>
+1. Well put.
Regards
Rüdiger
Re: modes of discussion
Posted by Stefan Fritsch <sf...@sfritsch.de>.
On Sunday 08 April 2012, Jeff Trawick wrote:
> Some of the behavior here is embarrassing. Yelling about not
> following procedures that nobody else even follows as stated,
> threatening, whining, crudity or at least making fun of objections
> to crudity, extreme defensiveness, etc. do not reflect well on us
> or our ability to do anything together. Even without staking out
> extreme positions, attempts to communicate concerns in the
> simplest manner can elicit very strong emotional reactions which
> feed the frenzy. Some less active participants must see it as a
> poor statement on the human condition that there can be such
> fireworks about such a simple little project.
>
> We need to try harder to avoid the extreme offensive and defensive
> positions and acknowledge that e-mail is a limited tool in the best
> of circumstances, and that some of us are enigmas to each other
> even in the best of circumstances.
+1