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Posted to dev@cayenne.apache.org by Andrus Adamchik <an...@objectstyle.org> on 2018/01/12 06:34:19 UTC
Re: New Cayenne website design
> On Dec 29, 2017, at 6:57 PM, Michael Gentry <bl...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> On Wed, Dec 27, 2017 at 11:20 AM, Andrus Adamchik <an...@objectstyle.org>
> wrote:
>
>> Also anyone remembers, did we come up with a better slogan to replace "ORM
>> with character"?
>>
>
> "Persist your world"?
I like the sound of it, but would like the slogan to be more ORM specific.
> "Relational persistence and modeling for Java"?
That's descriptive.
A few more random thoughts:
"ORM - the good parts"
"ORM .. the way it was meant to be" (too pretentious?)
"smooth Java ORM"
Andrus
Re: New Cayenne website design
Posted by Andrus Adamchik <an...@objectstyle.org>.
Another one suggested by a colleague: "Your ORM superpower".
I kinda like it compared to other options. It is non-confrontational and to the point :)
Andrus
> On Jan 12, 2018, at 9:34 AM, Andrus Adamchik <an...@objectstyle.org> wrote:
>
>
>
>> On Dec 29, 2017, at 6:57 PM, Michael Gentry <bl...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>> On Wed, Dec 27, 2017 at 11:20 AM, Andrus Adamchik <an...@objectstyle.org>
>> wrote:
>>
>>> Also anyone remembers, did we come up with a better slogan to replace "ORM
>>> with character"?
>>>
>>
>> "Persist your world"?
>
> I like the sound of it, but would like the slogan to be more ORM specific.
>
>> "Relational persistence and modeling for Java"?
>
> That's descriptive.
>
> A few more random thoughts:
>
> "ORM - the good parts"
> "ORM .. the way it was meant to be" (too pretentious?)
> "smooth Java ORM"
>
> Andrus
>
Re: New Cayenne website design
Posted by Lon Varscsak <lo...@gmail.com>.
"pretentious and judgmental" is my middle name! ;)
On Fri, Jan 12, 2018 at 7:57 PM, Michael Gentry <bl...@gmail.com> wrote:
> On Fri, Jan 12, 2018 at 1:34 AM, Andrus Adamchik <an...@objectstyle.org>
> wrote:
> >
> > > On Dec 29, 2017, at 6:57 PM, Michael Gentry <bl...@gmail.com>
> wrote:
> > > "Persist your world"?
> >
> > I like the sound of it, but would like the slogan to be more ORM
> specific.
> >
>
> Yeah, I was just thinking something short and simple, but it isn't terribly
> descriptive.
>
>
> > > "Relational persistence and modeling for Java"?
> >
> > That's descriptive.
> >
>
> And here I was trying to be more descriptive to give someone a clue as to
> what it was about. :-) Could shorten it a bit, perhaps, with something
> like, "Java persistence and modeling" or "Java ORM persistence and
> modeling."
>
>
> > A few more random thoughts:
> >
> > "ORM .. the way it was meant to be" (too pretentious?)
> >
>
> Yeah, that one seems too pretentious and judgmental.
>
Re: New Cayenne website design
Posted by Andrus Adamchik <an...@objectstyle.org>.
> Possible tagline: "A data oriented Java ORM that people love"
This is actually a good one. I'd use it when we get tired of the current "superpower" tagline :)
Andrus
> On Jan 22, 2018, at 1:45 PM, Malcolm Edgar <ma...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> The sign looks awsome, well done.
>
> Possible tagline: "A data oriented Java ORM that people love"
>
> regards Malcolm
>
> On Mon, Jan 22, 2018 at 6:50 PM, Nikita Timofeev <nt...@objectstyle.com>
> wrote:
>
>> Congratulations to all, new site is live now at cayenne.apache.org :)
>> Thanks for all your help and ideas!
>>
>> P.S. Here is instruction how to work with the new site:
>> https://cayenne.apache.org/dev/cms-guide.html
>>
>> On Wed, Jan 17, 2018 at 6:01 PM, Andrus Adamchik <an...@objectstyle.org>
>> wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>>> On Jan 15, 2018, at 5:42 PM, Michael Gentry <bl...@gmail.com>
>> wrote:
>>>> Can we fold the Apache branding into the red
>>>
>>> [...]
>>>
>>>> The dark bar is taking up a lot of space without adding a lot of value.
>>>
>>> I'd say it is in a good place. Underscoring that Cayenne is an Apache
>> subproject, but isolating Foundation-related concerns in its own visual
>> area. I'd keep it.
>>>
>>>> bar and then get rid of the redundant "Apache Cayenne" text?
>>>
>>> +1
>>>
>>> Andrus
>>>
>>
>>
>>
>> --
>> Best regards,
>> Nikita Timofeev
>>
Re: New Cayenne website design
Posted by Michael Gentry <bl...@gmail.com>.
Sure, but then I have to specifically type "site:cayenne.apache.org" in
addition to my search terms. It is just a user-convenience.
On Tue, Feb 6, 2018 at 10:08 AM, Andrus Adamchik <an...@objectstyle.org>
wrote:
>
>
> > On Feb 6, 2018, at 5:54 PM, Michael Gentry <bl...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >
> > Should we have a "search" box on the site? It can be linked to a Google
> > site-search.
>
> I thought about it when we prototyped the site, and decided against it.
> Without Cayenne-specific functionality behind the search (like e.g.
> integrated UI, the ability to select/switch a version of the docs you are
> searching for, etc.), it seems pointless. People can use Google without our
> help.
>
> Andrus
Re: New Cayenne website design
Posted by Andrus Adamchik <an...@objectstyle.org>.
> On Feb 6, 2018, at 5:54 PM, Michael Gentry <bl...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> Should we have a "search" box on the site? It can be linked to a Google
> site-search.
I thought about it when we prototyped the site, and decided against it. Without Cayenne-specific functionality behind the search (like e.g. integrated UI, the ability to select/switch a version of the docs you are searching for, etc.), it seems pointless. People can use Google without our help.
Andrus
Re: New Cayenne website design
Posted by Michael Gentry <bl...@gmail.com>.
Should we have a "search" box on the site? It can be linked to a Google
site-search.
Re: New Cayenne website design
Posted by Andrus Adamchik <an...@objectstyle.org>.
> Just a little thing (unrelated to website design), the 3.1.2 is out since a while, but the release notes says that is not yet released
Yeah, that's an artifact of the release process workflow. When we create a Git tag, we don't yet know the official release date which would happen a week or two in the future. Of course the date eventually added to the branch: https://github.com/apache/cayenne/blob/STABLE-3.1/docs/doc/src/main/resources/RELEASE-NOTES.txt . Other branches have the same issue.
I guess we can use the tag date as the release date in the RELEASE-NOTES and add this step to the release guide (?)
Andrus
> On Jan 22, 2018, at 1:47 PM, Amedeo Mantica <am...@me.com> wrote:
>
> really cool!
>
> Congrats
>
> Just a little thing (unrelated to website design), the 3.1.2 is out since a while, but the release notes says that is not yet released
>
> Amedeo
>
>> On 22 Jan 2018, at 11:45, Malcolm Edgar <ma...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>> The sign looks awsome, well done.
>>
>> Possible tagline: "A data oriented Java ORM that people love"
>>
>> regards Malcolm
>>
>> On Mon, Jan 22, 2018 at 6:50 PM, Nikita Timofeev <nt...@objectstyle.com>
>> wrote:
>>
>>> Congratulations to all, new site is live now at cayenne.apache.org :)
>>> Thanks for all your help and ideas!
>>>
>>> P.S. Here is instruction how to work with the new site:
>>> https://cayenne.apache.org/dev/cms-guide.html
>>>
>>> On Wed, Jan 17, 2018 at 6:01 PM, Andrus Adamchik <an...@objectstyle.org>
>>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>> On Jan 15, 2018, at 5:42 PM, Michael Gentry <bl...@gmail.com>
>>> wrote:
>>>>> Can we fold the Apache branding into the red
>>>>
>>>> [...]
>>>>
>>>>> The dark bar is taking up a lot of space without adding a lot of value.
>>>>
>>>> I'd say it is in a good place. Underscoring that Cayenne is an Apache
>>> subproject, but isolating Foundation-related concerns in its own visual
>>> area. I'd keep it.
>>>>
>>>>> bar and then get rid of the redundant "Apache Cayenne" text?
>>>>
>>>> +1
>>>>
>>>> Andrus
>>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> --
>>> Best regards,
>>> Nikita Timofeev
>>>
>
Re: New Cayenne website design
Posted by Amedeo Mantica <am...@me.com>.
really cool!
Congrats
Just a little thing (unrelated to website design), the 3.1.2 is out since a while, but the release notes says that is not yet released
Amedeo
> On 22 Jan 2018, at 11:45, Malcolm Edgar <ma...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> The sign looks awsome, well done.
>
> Possible tagline: "A data oriented Java ORM that people love"
>
> regards Malcolm
>
> On Mon, Jan 22, 2018 at 6:50 PM, Nikita Timofeev <nt...@objectstyle.com>
> wrote:
>
>> Congratulations to all, new site is live now at cayenne.apache.org :)
>> Thanks for all your help and ideas!
>>
>> P.S. Here is instruction how to work with the new site:
>> https://cayenne.apache.org/dev/cms-guide.html
>>
>> On Wed, Jan 17, 2018 at 6:01 PM, Andrus Adamchik <an...@objectstyle.org>
>> wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>>> On Jan 15, 2018, at 5:42 PM, Michael Gentry <bl...@gmail.com>
>> wrote:
>>>> Can we fold the Apache branding into the red
>>>
>>> [...]
>>>
>>>> The dark bar is taking up a lot of space without adding a lot of value.
>>>
>>> I'd say it is in a good place. Underscoring that Cayenne is an Apache
>> subproject, but isolating Foundation-related concerns in its own visual
>> area. I'd keep it.
>>>
>>>> bar and then get rid of the redundant "Apache Cayenne" text?
>>>
>>> +1
>>>
>>> Andrus
>>>
>>
>>
>>
>> --
>> Best regards,
>> Nikita Timofeev
>>
Re: New Cayenne website design
Posted by Malcolm Edgar <ma...@gmail.com>.
The sign looks awsome, well done.
Possible tagline: "A data oriented Java ORM that people love"
regards Malcolm
On Mon, Jan 22, 2018 at 6:50 PM, Nikita Timofeev <nt...@objectstyle.com>
wrote:
> Congratulations to all, new site is live now at cayenne.apache.org :)
> Thanks for all your help and ideas!
>
> P.S. Here is instruction how to work with the new site:
> https://cayenne.apache.org/dev/cms-guide.html
>
> On Wed, Jan 17, 2018 at 6:01 PM, Andrus Adamchik <an...@objectstyle.org>
> wrote:
> >
> >
> >> On Jan 15, 2018, at 5:42 PM, Michael Gentry <bl...@gmail.com>
> wrote:
> >> Can we fold the Apache branding into the red
> >
> > [...]
> >
> >> The dark bar is taking up a lot of space without adding a lot of value.
> >
> > I'd say it is in a good place. Underscoring that Cayenne is an Apache
> subproject, but isolating Foundation-related concerns in its own visual
> area. I'd keep it.
> >
> >> bar and then get rid of the redundant "Apache Cayenne" text?
> >
> > +1
> >
> > Andrus
> >
>
>
>
> --
> Best regards,
> Nikita Timofeev
>
Re: New Cayenne website design
Posted by Nikita Timofeev <nt...@objectstyle.com>.
Congratulations to all, new site is live now at cayenne.apache.org :)
Thanks for all your help and ideas!
P.S. Here is instruction how to work with the new site:
https://cayenne.apache.org/dev/cms-guide.html
On Wed, Jan 17, 2018 at 6:01 PM, Andrus Adamchik <an...@objectstyle.org> wrote:
>
>
>> On Jan 15, 2018, at 5:42 PM, Michael Gentry <bl...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> Can we fold the Apache branding into the red
>
> [...]
>
>> The dark bar is taking up a lot of space without adding a lot of value.
>
> I'd say it is in a good place. Underscoring that Cayenne is an Apache subproject, but isolating Foundation-related concerns in its own visual area. I'd keep it.
>
>> bar and then get rid of the redundant "Apache Cayenne" text?
>
> +1
>
> Andrus
>
--
Best regards,
Nikita Timofeev
Re: New Cayenne website design
Posted by Andrus Adamchik <an...@objectstyle.org>.
> On Jan 15, 2018, at 5:42 PM, Michael Gentry <bl...@gmail.com> wrote:
> Can we fold the Apache branding into the red
[...]
> The dark bar is taking up a lot of space without adding a lot of value.
I'd say it is in a good place. Underscoring that Cayenne is an Apache subproject, but isolating Foundation-related concerns in its own visual area. I'd keep it.
> bar and then get rid of the redundant "Apache Cayenne" text?
+1
Andrus
Re: New Cayenne website design
Posted by Michael Gentry <bl...@gmail.com>.
Finally built/ran the new web site design. I really like the overall look
and functionality except for...
At the top is a dark bar with "Apache Software Foundation v / Apache
Cayenne" and then immediately below it in the red bar is "APACHE CAYENNE".
Seems a bit redundant to me. Can we fold the Apache branding into the red
bar and then get rid of the redundant "Apache Cayenne" text? The dark bar
is taking up a lot of space without adding a lot of value.
Also, under the key features, if you click on a topic, such as "Extension
API", it doesn't update the browser's URL, but hovering over it does show a
"#extension-api" link. However, if you right-click it and open in a new
tab/window, it doesn't take you to the extension API even though the URL
has the anchor segment.
mrg
Re: New Cayenne website design
Posted by Michael Gentry <bl...@gmail.com>.
On Fri, Jan 12, 2018 at 1:34 AM, Andrus Adamchik <an...@objectstyle.org>
wrote:
>
> > On Dec 29, 2017, at 6:57 PM, Michael Gentry <bl...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > "Persist your world"?
>
> I like the sound of it, but would like the slogan to be more ORM specific.
>
Yeah, I was just thinking something short and simple, but it isn't terribly
descriptive.
> > "Relational persistence and modeling for Java"?
>
> That's descriptive.
>
And here I was trying to be more descriptive to give someone a clue as to
what it was about. :-) Could shorten it a bit, perhaps, with something
like, "Java persistence and modeling" or "Java ORM persistence and
modeling."
> A few more random thoughts:
>
> "ORM .. the way it was meant to be" (too pretentious?)
>
Yeah, that one seems too pretentious and judgmental.