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[Bug 7949] New: SpamAssassin & .online domains
https://bz.apache.org/SpamAssassin/show_bug.cgi?id=7949
Bug ID: 7949
Summary: SpamAssassin & .online domains
Product: Spamassassin
Version: unspecified
Hardware: PC
OS: Windows NT
Status: NEW
Severity: normal
Priority: P2
Component: spamassassin
Assignee: dev@spamassassin.apache.org
Reporter: sikro94@gmail.com
Target Milestone: Undefined
Hello! I don't know if this is the right place, but I see that your
SpamAssassin filter gives my domain name a bad reputation. Here is what I could
list:
-0.499 FROM_SUSPICIOUS_NTLD From abused NTLD
-0.001 FROM_SUSPICIOUS_NTLD_FP From abused NTLD
-0.249 HEADER_FROM_DIFFERENT_DOMAINS From and EnvelopeFrom 2nd level mail
domains are different
-0.001 MIME_QP_LONG_LINE Quoted-printable line longer than 76 chars
-1.725 PDS_OTHER_BAD_TLD Untrustworthy TLDs
URI: combien.online (online)
Do you know how to avoid this by keeping the same domain name so that I don't
end up spamming my recipients?
Thank you in advance
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--- Comment #17 from Benny Pedersen <me...@junc.eu> ---
this thread is begin to be very funny :=)
gmail.com is freemail, and in same time copyrighted matrial from the owner
writhing here, hmm
report spam if its being big problems with disclosure here
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--- Comment #16 from multu14200 <si...@gmail.com> ---
open
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--- Comment #18 from multu14200 <si...@gmail.com> ---
Hey! Still waiting for someone to delete this topic or the posts that contain
my email address. :)
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--- Comment #2 from sikro94@gmail.com ---
Hello, how can I delete this topic?
Because it contains my email address "sikro94@gmail.com"
Thanks in advance
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Posted by bu...@spamassassin.apache.org.
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--- Comment #10 from multu14200 <si...@gmail.com> ---
(In reply to Bill Cole from comment #9)
> (In reply to multu14200 from comment #8)
> [...]
> > I can't edit my messages and someone quoted me and the message also contains
> > my email address.
> To be clear: "someone" was you.
>
> > Can anyone do anything? I have no rights of my own and I just want my
> > contact information removed from this page, I don't ask for more.
> See https://www.apache.org/foundation/public-archives.html
>
> Messages documenting all the activity in this Bugzilla instance is emailed
> to the dev@spamassassin.apache.org mailing list. The subscribers to that
> mailing list include multiple public archives that are entirely outside of
> our control, as well as an unknowable number of private archives. Even if we
> were to modify the comments in Bugzilla to remove your email address, it
> would be still be visible and searchable in places we can't touch.
>
> In short: whatever damage might be done by posting your email address in
> this *public* system has already been done and is not reversible.
I already know all this, I find this answer impertinent. This page exists and
it's the only one that comes up when I type my email on a search engine. I
don't care what's going on behind it, I'm only talking about this page.
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Bill Cole <bi...@apache.org> changed:
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Resolution|--- |INVALID
Status|REOPENED |RESOLVED
--- Comment #9 from Bill Cole <bi...@apache.org> ---
(In reply to multu14200 from comment #8)
[...]
> I can't edit my messages and someone quoted me and the message also contains
> my email address.
To be clear: "someone" was you.
> Can anyone do anything? I have no rights of my own and I just want my
> contact information removed from this page, I don't ask for more.
See https://www.apache.org/foundation/public-archives.html
Messages documenting all the activity in this Bugzilla instance is emailed to
the dev@spamassassin.apache.org mailing list. The subscribers to that mailing
list include multiple public archives that are entirely outside of our control,
as well as an unknowable number of private archives. Even if we were to modify
the comments in Bugzilla to remove your email address, it would be still be
visible and searchable in places we can't touch.
In short: whatever damage might be done by posting your email address in this
*public* system has already been done and is not reversible.
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AXB <ax...@gmail.com> changed:
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Status|REOPENED |RESOLVED
Resolution|--- |INVALID
--- Comment #20 from AXB <ax...@gmail.com> ---
Not a bug
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--- Comment #4 from sikro94@gmail.com ---
Hey! My email is visible even without being logged in. I just typed it into
google and it came up here! :D
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multu14200 <si...@gmail.com> changed:
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--- Comment #13 from multu14200 <si...@gmail.com> ---
(In reply to AXB from comment #12)
> Nothing to fix.
The problem to be fixed is that I wish to see my personal details (email
address in this case) disappear from this page. Please do not intervene on this
subject unless it is to solve the problem.
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AXB <ax...@gmail.com> changed:
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--- Comment #14 from AXB <ax...@gmail.com> ---
this will be addressed when the dev team has spare resources
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--- Comment #12 from AXB <ax...@gmail.com> ---
Nothing to fix.
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multu14200 <si...@gmail.com> changed:
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Resolution|INVALID |---
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--- Comment #8 from multu14200 <si...@gmail.com> ---
(In reply to Bill Cole from comment #7)
> (In reply to multu14200 from comment #6)
> > Hello! I'm coming back to you because I'd like to erase all traces of this
> > topic. Who should I contact?
>
> It is not common to remove bug reports. They are part of the development
> history of the project. Even when a report is determined to not be a bug, it
> is useful to retain the record of the interaction to help prevent repeated
> reports of the same issue.
>
> As the bottom of all pages here says:
>
> In case of problems with the functioning of SA Bugzilla,
> please contact bugzilla-admin@apache.org.
>
> The SA development team does not administer Bugzilla, but our colleagues at
> ASF who do may be able to remove your email from public display. It also MAY
> be possible for you to do that yourself by changing your Bugzilla account
> preferences (e.g. you could change the email address for the account to
> something meaningless, with a domain ending in .invalid.)
I can't edit my messages and someone quoted me and the message also contains my
email address.
Can anyone do anything? I have no rights of my own and I just want my contact
information removed from this page, I don't ask for more.
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--- Comment #15 from multu14200 <si...@gmail.com> ---
(In reply to AXB from comment #14)
> this will be addressed when the dev team has spare resources
OK. In the meantime, I still want this page to be removed or my email address
to be removed from this page.
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--- Comment #19 from multu14200 <si...@gmail.com> ---
Hello, up!
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Bill Cole <bi...@apache.org> changed:
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Resolution|--- |INVALID
--- Comment #7 from Bill Cole <bi...@apache.org> ---
(In reply to multu14200 from comment #6)
> Hello! I'm coming back to you because I'd like to erase all traces of this
> topic. Who should I contact?
It is not common to remove bug reports. They are part of the development
history of the project. Even when a report is determined to not be a bug, it is
useful to retain the record of the interaction to help prevent repeated reports
of the same issue.
As the bottom of all pages here says:
In case of problems with the functioning of SA Bugzilla,
please contact bugzilla-admin@apache.org.
The SA development team does not administer Bugzilla, but our colleagues at ASF
who do may be able to remove your email from public display. It also MAY be
possible for you to do that yourself by changing your Bugzilla account
preferences (e.g. you could change the email address for the account to
something meaningless, with a domain ending in .invalid.)
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Bill Cole <bi...@apache.org> changed:
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CC| |billcole@apache.org
Resolution|--- |WORKSFORME
--- Comment #1 from Bill Cole <bi...@apache.org> ---
(In reply to sikro94 from comment #0)
> Hello! I don't know if this is the right place, but I see that your
> SpamAssassin filter gives my domain name a bad reputation.
No, the past users of the same gTLD have given it a bad reputation.
SpamAssassin merely reports that.
[...]
NOTE: whatever you're using to get a SpamAssassin score is broken. It seems to
be showing negative scores for rules that should have positive (spammy) scores
and the score values do not match recent versions of the standard ruleset.
> -0.249 HEADER_FROM_DIFFERENT_DOMAINS From and EnvelopeFrom 2nd level mail
> domains are different
That's not specific to your domain or TLD, it is a result of the addressing of
your email: different domains in the From header and SMTP envelope.
> -0.001 MIME_QP_LONG_LINE Quoted-printable line longer than 76 chars
That's entirely unrelated to domains, it's a quirk of your email's transport
encoding which is formally improper but not *per se* significantly correlated
to a message being spam or non-spam.
> -0.499 FROM_SUSPICIOUS_NTLD From abused NTLD
> -0.001 FROM_SUSPICIOUS_NTLD_FP From abused NTLD
> -1.725 PDS_OTHER_BAD_TLD Untrustworthy TLDs
> URI: combien.online (online)
Total score: 2.225 as shown, 2.800 by current release scoring. Most of that is
from the last rule, which checks domains found in the body of mail: in theory
just from URLs, but that's loosely parsed.
To be deemed "spam" by SpamAssassin using the default configuration, you'd need
a score over 5.
> Do you know how to avoid this by keeping the same domain name so that I
> don't end up spamming my recipients?
Whether you are spamming or not isn't determined by a SA score, it's determined
by whether you have the consent of the people you're mailing. We assume that no
one filing a bug here is actually spamming unless they say so. :)
Note that the inclusion and scoring of rules in the default ruleset is
controlled by a daily automated process that uses submitted corpora of "spam"
and "ham" mail
and their scoring. By design, every message will match some SA rules that have
positive (spammy) scores and some that have negative (hammy) scores. If your
mail scores below 5 IN TOTAL then SpamAssassin is saying that it is probably
not spam. It's not critical to minimize your SA score, it only matters that you
don't score too high (i.e. definitely below 5.) Some sites set their thresholds
lower, but very rarely lower than 4.
There is nothing about this that is addressable as a "bug" in SA. The inclusion
of the 'online' TLD in the "suspicious" list is grounded in observed empirical
fact, and the scoring of the rules using that list is constrained to limit the
potential for broad damage (i.e. actually marking legitimate mail as spam.)
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Hello! I'm coming back to you because I'd like to erase all traces of this
topic. Who should I contact?
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--- Comment #5 from Benny Pedersen <me...@junc.eu> ---
(In reply to sikro94 from comment #4)
> Hey! My email is visible even without being logged in. I just typed it into
> google and it came up here! :D
your real name is your email that is shown ?
change your realname to a real name, and problem is gone
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--- Comment #3 from Benny Pedersen <me...@junc.eu> ---
(In reply to sikro94 from comment #2)
> Hello, how can I delete this topic?
> Because it contains my email address "sikro94@gmail.com"
>
> Thanks in advance
afraid of spam on gmail ?, note the email is not shown to users that is not
logged in, so now you added it here to all users not logged in :(
dont do this anymore
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