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I think it's time for a new book.... Igor and Co ?
The title would be ... 'Wicket Internals' ...
Dive DEEPER into the parts other programmers never reach....
The inner workings of response cycles... what really happens ...
Oh and esp the Ajax stuff... jQuery integration ... etc...
TIA
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Re: I think it's time for a new book.... Igor and Co ?
Posted by Igor Vaynberg <ig...@gmail.com>.
lol. my thoughts exactly :)
-igor
On Sun, Jul 22, 2012 at 12:53 PM, Josh Kamau <jo...@gmail.com> wrote:
> Who will bell <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Belling_the_cat> the cat ?
>
> On Sun, Jul 22, 2012 at 12:51 PM, Michael Mosmann <mi...@mosmann.de>wrote:
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>> Had the same idea...
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>> mlabs <ml...@gmail.com> schrieb:
>>
>> The title would be ... 'Wicket Internals' ...
>> Dive DEEPER into the parts other programmers never reach....
>> The inner workings of response cycles... what really happens ...
>> Oh and esp the Ajax stuff... jQuery integration ... etc...
>>
>> TIA
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Re: I think it's time for a new book.... Igor and Co ?
Posted by Josh Kamau <jo...@gmail.com>.
Who will bell <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Belling_the_cat> the cat ?
On Sun, Jul 22, 2012 at 12:51 PM, Michael Mosmann <mi...@mosmann.de>wrote:
> Had the same idea...
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> gesendet.
>
>
>
> mlabs <ml...@gmail.com> schrieb:
>
> The title would be ... 'Wicket Internals' ...
> Dive DEEPER into the parts other programmers never reach....
> The inner workings of response cycles... what really happens ...
> Oh and esp the Ajax stuff... jQuery integration ... etc...
>
> TIA
>
>
>
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Re: I think it's time for a new book.... Igor and Co ?
Posted by Michael Mosmann <mi...@mosmann.de>.
Had the same idea...
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mlabs <ml...@gmail.com> schrieb:
The title would be ... 'Wicket Internals' ...
Dive DEEPER into the parts other programmers never reach....
The inner workings of response cycles... what really happens ...
Oh and esp the Ajax stuff... jQuery integration ... etc...
TIA
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Re: I think it's time for a new book.... Igor and Co ?
Posted by Stefan Moises <be...@gmx.de>.
+1 :)
Cheers,
Stefan
Am 27.07.2012 09:27, schrieb Josh Kamau:
> What if the developers donate (or do a fund raising... ) to fund the
> writing of the book?
>
> We could set a budget ... then start pledging for the same.. when the
> pledge amount is enough, we pay and the work begins.
>
> Then we get the book for free ..... or something like that.
>
> Josh
>
> On Fri, Jul 27, 2012 at 10:23 AM, Michael Mosmann <mi...@mosmann.de>wrote:
>
>> Am 27.07.2012 00:16, schrieb Igor Vaynberg:
>>
>> On Fri, Jul 27, 2012 at 12:20 AM, Bertrand Guay-Paquet
>>> <be...@step.polymtl.ca> wrote:
>>>
>>>> Seeing how the previous book authors became less active after writing
>>>>> a book I think this is not a very good idea... :-/
>>>>>
>>>> Is this because the books didn't sell well enough?
>>>>
>>> i can only speak for myself,
>>>
>>> define enough :) i agreed to work on the book knowing full well it was
>>> not going to sell a million copies. i wrote it so the community has an
>>> easily accessible resource.
>>>
>> same for me.. but a german market differ from a more global one:)
>>
>> I don't know the authors
>>>> personally and I don't know much about the publishing world so it could
>>>> very
>>>> well be another reason altogether.
>>>>
>>> writing the book was a very long and a very exhausting effort, much
>>> much more then i thought it would be. when i was done the book was
>>> actually twice as long as what was published, but the publisher wanted
>>> me to trim it down to keep the cost low... they would have to charge
>>> more if the book had more pages :/
>>>
>> I had to come upfront with how much pages it would be in the end. The
>> publisher made their calculation based on it, so the page count is more
>> strict than some one may think.
>>
>>
>>> the combination of those two things has burned me out somewhat. at
>>> least enough to make me want to go play with other things for a while.
>>>
>>> -igor
>>>
>> same for me, but more time has passed, so i would take the pain again:)
>> maybe i am a fool:)
>>
>> Michael:)
>>
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Re: I think it's time for a new book.... Igor and Co ?
Posted by Josh Kamau <jo...@gmail.com>.
As a motivation .... everyone or probably top donnors could have their
names somewhere on the book.... ;)
j
On Fri, Jul 27, 2012 at 11:12 AM, Sebastien <se...@gmail.com> wrote:
> +1 too
>
> About the found raising, maybe could it be a book project in My Major
> Company or Kickstarter for instance...
>
> Regards,
> Sebastien.
>
> On Fri, Jul 27, 2012 at 9:27 AM, Josh Kamau <jo...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > What if the developers donate (or do a fund raising... ) to fund the
> > writing of the book?
> >
> > We could set a budget ... then start pledging for the same.. when the
> > pledge amount is enough, we pay and the work begins.
> >
> > Then we get the book for free ..... or something like that.
> >
> > Josh
> >
> > On Fri, Jul 27, 2012 at 10:23 AM, Michael Mosmann <michael@mosmann.de
> > >wrote:
> >
> > > Am 27.07.2012 00:16, schrieb Igor Vaynberg:
> > >
> > > On Fri, Jul 27, 2012 at 12:20 AM, Bertrand Guay-Paquet
> > >> <be...@step.polymtl.ca> wrote:
> > >>
> > >>> Seeing how the previous book authors became less active after writing
> > >>>> a book I think this is not a very good idea... :-/
> > >>>>
> > >>> Is this because the books didn't sell well enough?
> > >>>
> > >> i can only speak for myself,
> > >>
> > >> define enough :) i agreed to work on the book knowing full well it was
> > >> not going to sell a million copies. i wrote it so the community has an
> > >> easily accessible resource.
> > >>
> > > same for me.. but a german market differ from a more global one:)
> > >
> > > I don't know the authors
> > >>> personally and I don't know much about the publishing world so it
> could
> > >>> very
> > >>> well be another reason altogether.
> > >>>
> > >> writing the book was a very long and a very exhausting effort, much
> > >> much more then i thought it would be. when i was done the book was
> > >> actually twice as long as what was published, but the publisher wanted
> > >> me to trim it down to keep the cost low... they would have to charge
> > >> more if the book had more pages :/
> > >>
> > > I had to come upfront with how much pages it would be in the end. The
> > > publisher made their calculation based on it, so the page count is more
> > > strict than some one may think.
> > >
> > >
> > >> the combination of those two things has burned me out somewhat. at
> > >> least enough to make me want to go play with other things for a while.
> > >>
> > >> -igor
> > >>
> > > same for me, but more time has passed, so i would take the pain again:)
> > > maybe i am a fool:)
> > >
> > > Michael:)
> > >
> > >
> > >
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Re: I think it's time for a new book.... Igor and Co ?
Posted by Sebastien <se...@gmail.com>.
+1 too
About the found raising, maybe could it be a book project in My Major
Company or Kickstarter for instance...
Regards,
Sebastien.
On Fri, Jul 27, 2012 at 9:27 AM, Josh Kamau <jo...@gmail.com> wrote:
> What if the developers donate (or do a fund raising... ) to fund the
> writing of the book?
>
> We could set a budget ... then start pledging for the same.. when the
> pledge amount is enough, we pay and the work begins.
>
> Then we get the book for free ..... or something like that.
>
> Josh
>
> On Fri, Jul 27, 2012 at 10:23 AM, Michael Mosmann <michael@mosmann.de
> >wrote:
>
> > Am 27.07.2012 00:16, schrieb Igor Vaynberg:
> >
> > On Fri, Jul 27, 2012 at 12:20 AM, Bertrand Guay-Paquet
> >> <be...@step.polymtl.ca> wrote:
> >>
> >>> Seeing how the previous book authors became less active after writing
> >>>> a book I think this is not a very good idea... :-/
> >>>>
> >>> Is this because the books didn't sell well enough?
> >>>
> >> i can only speak for myself,
> >>
> >> define enough :) i agreed to work on the book knowing full well it was
> >> not going to sell a million copies. i wrote it so the community has an
> >> easily accessible resource.
> >>
> > same for me.. but a german market differ from a more global one:)
> >
> > I don't know the authors
> >>> personally and I don't know much about the publishing world so it could
> >>> very
> >>> well be another reason altogether.
> >>>
> >> writing the book was a very long and a very exhausting effort, much
> >> much more then i thought it would be. when i was done the book was
> >> actually twice as long as what was published, but the publisher wanted
> >> me to trim it down to keep the cost low... they would have to charge
> >> more if the book had more pages :/
> >>
> > I had to come upfront with how much pages it would be in the end. The
> > publisher made their calculation based on it, so the page count is more
> > strict than some one may think.
> >
> >
> >> the combination of those two things has burned me out somewhat. at
> >> least enough to make me want to go play with other things for a while.
> >>
> >> -igor
> >>
> > same for me, but more time has passed, so i would take the pain again:)
> > maybe i am a fool:)
> >
> > Michael:)
> >
> >
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Re: I think it's time for a new book.... Igor and Co ?
Posted by Josh Kamau <jo...@gmail.com>.
What if the developers donate (or do a fund raising... ) to fund the
writing of the book?
We could set a budget ... then start pledging for the same.. when the
pledge amount is enough, we pay and the work begins.
Then we get the book for free ..... or something like that.
Josh
On Fri, Jul 27, 2012 at 10:23 AM, Michael Mosmann <mi...@mosmann.de>wrote:
> Am 27.07.2012 00:16, schrieb Igor Vaynberg:
>
> On Fri, Jul 27, 2012 at 12:20 AM, Bertrand Guay-Paquet
>> <be...@step.polymtl.ca> wrote:
>>
>>> Seeing how the previous book authors became less active after writing
>>>> a book I think this is not a very good idea... :-/
>>>>
>>> Is this because the books didn't sell well enough?
>>>
>> i can only speak for myself,
>>
>> define enough :) i agreed to work on the book knowing full well it was
>> not going to sell a million copies. i wrote it so the community has an
>> easily accessible resource.
>>
> same for me.. but a german market differ from a more global one:)
>
> I don't know the authors
>>> personally and I don't know much about the publishing world so it could
>>> very
>>> well be another reason altogether.
>>>
>> writing the book was a very long and a very exhausting effort, much
>> much more then i thought it would be. when i was done the book was
>> actually twice as long as what was published, but the publisher wanted
>> me to trim it down to keep the cost low... they would have to charge
>> more if the book had more pages :/
>>
> I had to come upfront with how much pages it would be in the end. The
> publisher made their calculation based on it, so the page count is more
> strict than some one may think.
>
>
>> the combination of those two things has burned me out somewhat. at
>> least enough to make me want to go play with other things for a while.
>>
>> -igor
>>
> same for me, but more time has passed, so i would take the pain again:)
> maybe i am a fool:)
>
> Michael:)
>
>
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Re: I think it's time for a new book.... Igor and Co ?
Posted by Michael Mosmann <mi...@mosmann.de>.
Am 27.07.2012 00:16, schrieb Igor Vaynberg:
> On Fri, Jul 27, 2012 at 12:20 AM, Bertrand Guay-Paquet
> <be...@step.polymtl.ca> wrote:
>>> Seeing how the previous book authors became less active after writing
>>> a book I think this is not a very good idea... :-/
>> Is this because the books didn't sell well enough?
> i can only speak for myself,
>
> define enough :) i agreed to work on the book knowing full well it was
> not going to sell a million copies. i wrote it so the community has an
> easily accessible resource.
same for me.. but a german market differ from a more global one:)
>> I don't know the authors
>> personally and I don't know much about the publishing world so it could very
>> well be another reason altogether.
> writing the book was a very long and a very exhausting effort, much
> much more then i thought it would be. when i was done the book was
> actually twice as long as what was published, but the publisher wanted
> me to trim it down to keep the cost low... they would have to charge
> more if the book had more pages :/
I had to come upfront with how much pages it would be in the end. The
publisher made their calculation based on it, so the page count is more
strict than some one may think.
>
> the combination of those two things has burned me out somewhat. at
> least enough to make me want to go play with other things for a while.
>
> -igor
same for me, but more time has passed, so i would take the pain again:)
maybe i am a fool:)
Michael:)
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Re: I think it's time for a new book.... Igor and Co ?
Posted by Bertrand Guay-Paquet <be...@step.polymtl.ca>.
> writing the book was a very long and a very exhausting effort, much
> much more then i thought it would be. when i was done the book was
> actually twice as long as what was published, but the publisher wanted
> me to trim it down to keep the cost low... they would have to charge
> more if the book had more pages :/ the combination of those two things
> has burned me out somewhat. at least enough to make me want to go play
> with other things for a while. -igor
Well thanks for your book (and all your other work as well)! I hope you
have fun with these other things and perhaps someday your interest for
Wicket will be rekindled! :)
Cheers,
Bertrand
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Re: I think it's time for a new book.... Igor and Co ?
Posted by Igor Vaynberg <ig...@gmail.com>.
On Fri, Jul 27, 2012 at 12:20 AM, Bertrand Guay-Paquet
<be...@step.polymtl.ca> wrote:
>
>> Seeing how the previous book authors became less active after writing
>> a book I think this is not a very good idea... :-/
>
> Is this because the books didn't sell well enough?
i can only speak for myself,
define enough :) i agreed to work on the book knowing full well it was
not going to sell a million copies. i wrote it so the community has an
easily accessible resource.
> I don't know the authors
> personally and I don't know much about the publishing world so it could very
> well be another reason altogether.
writing the book was a very long and a very exhausting effort, much
much more then i thought it would be. when i was done the book was
actually twice as long as what was published, but the publisher wanted
me to trim it down to keep the cost low... they would have to charge
more if the book had more pages :/
the combination of those two things has burned me out somewhat. at
least enough to make me want to go play with other things for a while.
-igor
>
>> Here is what I suggest: create a page in Wiki that lists the more
>> interesting topics. Then we (the people who know more about Wicket
>> internals) will try to fill the gaps by creating a separate Wiki page
>> for each topic, slowly, one at a time, without the pressure of the
>> publishers, etc. This way hopefully the community can help too by
>> keeping them up-to-date.
>
> This seems to me like a good approach. Perhaps a good starting point would
> be the table of contents of Wicket in Action.
>
>
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Re: I think it's time for a new book.... Igor and Co ?
Posted by Bertrand Guay-Paquet <be...@step.polymtl.ca>.
> Seeing how the previous book authors became less active after writing
> a book I think this is not a very good idea... :-/
Is this because the books didn't sell well enough? I don't know the
authors personally and I don't know much about the publishing world so
it could very well be another reason altogether.
> Here is what I suggest: create a page in Wiki that lists the more
> interesting topics. Then we (the people who know more about Wicket
> internals) will try to fill the gaps by creating a separate Wiki page
> for each topic, slowly, one at a time, without the pressure of the
> publishers, etc. This way hopefully the community can help too by
> keeping them up-to-date.
This seems to me like a good approach. Perhaps a good starting point
would be the table of contents of Wicket in Action.
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Re: I think it's time for a new book.... Igor and Co ?
Posted by Martin Grigorov <mg...@apache.org>.
On Thu, Jul 26, 2012 at 10:08 AM, mlabs <ml...@gmail.com> wrote:
> I'm all for improving the javadocs... oh yes... but in my experience with
> javadocs, the context is too limited.. to the class or interface in
> question.. there is rarely the more important 'bigger picture' information
> that you need as a developer diving into something new...
> Wicket is a fantastic framework .. it encapsulates so much ... but in doing
> that, it hides so much...
> I have been using tit for a couple of years now...
> The initial learning path is easy .. (by design)
> But we eventually need to step outside of the box... and that's where the
> encapsulation bites most of us...
> Ajax... jQuery... Response cycles, page caching.....
> We need to know how it all works and yes we have the source code... but...
> Back to my initial request...
>
> Wicket Internals... !!!!
>
> :)
Seeing how the previous book authors became less active after writing
a book I think this is not a very good idea... :-/
Here is what I suggest: create a page in Wiki that lists the more
interesting topics. Then we (the people who know more about Wicket
internals) will try to fill the gaps by creating a separate Wiki page
for each topic, slowly, one at a time, without the pressure of the
publishers, etc. This way hopefully the community can help too by
keeping them up-to-date.
P.S. I still wait for your javadoc Pull Requests.
>
>
>
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RE: I think it's time for a new book.... Igor and Co ?
Posted by mlabs <ml...@gmail.com>.
I'm all for improving the javadocs... oh yes... but in my experience with
javadocs, the context is too limited.. to the class or interface in
question.. there is rarely the more important 'bigger picture' information
that you need as a developer diving into something new...
Wicket is a fantastic framework .. it encapsulates so much ... but in doing
that, it hides so much...
I have been using tit for a couple of years now...
The initial learning path is easy .. (by design)
But we eventually need to step outside of the box... and that's where the
encapsulation bites most of us...
Ajax... jQuery... Response cycles, page caching.....
We need to know how it all works and yes we have the source code... but...
Back to my initial request...
Wicket Internals... !!!!
:)
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