Re: Comments on IAccessible2 Implementation with Screen Readers

[Steve Yin <st...@gmail.com>]

Forwarding to David.

Welcome David!

I am a developer for IA2 implementation in AOO. During IAccessible2
development, James Teh and Michael Curran filed a lot of critical issues,
gave great support on technical and even delivered patches for this issue.
That is we got a great support from NVDA.

The problems you mentioned about JAWS, I think maybe the current version of
JAWS does not "know" AOO" as an IA2 application.We can involve JAWS by
giving them feedback on that.

About ZoomText and Window-eyes, we did not test IA2 with them, maybe they
got a problem like JAWS. Because AT tools need to apply different
specific strategies to different applications. So if AOO and AT tools want
to get a better compatibility, they need to collaborate on IA2
implementation.


On Mon, Mar 24, 2014 at 6:09 PM, Yuzhen Fan <fa...@gmail.com> wrote:

> Hi David,
>
> Thanks for your help offering on tests. Currently, we have 2 major testing
> work:
>
> 1. Full Regression Testing on AOO 4.1 - Led by me (need your assistance on
> IA2 related testing)
> 2. Regression bug checking - Led by Rainer Bielefeld (need your assistance
> on IA2 related bugs' checking)
>
> Please let me know if you are interested for any of above work, or both,
> then we will send you detail information and instruction. Thanks again!
>
>
> On Fri, Mar 21, 2014 at 11:21 PM, David Goldfield <dg...@asb.org>
> wrote:
>
> >  Hello.
> > I am new to this list and I hope that my comments are being directed to
> > the right group.  If they should be directed to another list, please let
> me
> > know and I will comply with the proper guidelines.
> > First, I'll introduce myself by telling you that I'm visually impaired,
> am
> > a user and teacher of several screen readers and I have been in the
> > assistive technology field, providing training and support to blind and
> > visually impaired computer users for over twenty years.
> > I'm a big fan and advocate of open source software.  At home, I use NVDA
> > as my screen reader.  At work, I also use JAWS, Window-eyes, MAGic and
> > Zoomtext.  I've been working on and off with various versions of
> OpenOffice
> > for some time, doing some accessibility testing with screen readers and
> > wanted to report on how the latest 4.1 beta is working with today's
> screen
> > readers.
> > First, I'll tell you that I've been doing my testing on a Windows 7 Pro
> > 32-bit system.  We have NVDA 2014.1, the latest build of JAWS 15 and
> > Window-eyes 8.4.  As of this writing, these are the latest publicly
> > available versions of these programs.  I suppose that NVDA is an
> exception,
> > since they release master and next builds of current snapshots but I have
> > not tested the latest versions of these snapshots.
> > First, I am absolutely thrilled that OpenOffice is implementing
> > IAccessible2.  In theory, this should make the programs extremely
> > compatible with today's screen readers.
> > The two programs I've been working with are Writer and Calc.  I have not
> > done extensive testing yet but just want to make sure I can easily track
> > documents, menus and dialogs without any real drama.  So far, NVDA
> handles
> > OO4.1 the best, tracking the caret with no issues and reading cell
> > coordinates in Calc.
> > Window-eyes 8.4 consistently crashes whenever I try to open Writer or
> > Calc.  I wrote to GW Micro's support.  They wrote back, asking how they
> > could duplicate the problem and soon afterward they told me that a post
> 8.4
> > build was not experiencing any issues.  It is likely that I will have to
> > wait for the next public beta of Window-eyes to be posted before I can do
> > any further testing.
> > JAWS 15 was totally unreliable in Calc, not reading most of the cells as
> I
> > use arrow keys to move through them.  Occasionally, cell info was read
> but
> > not most of the time.
> > Writer's performance with JAWS was a bit better but still inconsistent.
> > Here are the comments I sent to Freedom Scientific.
> >
> > 1.      When in Writer, when I type the first line of text in a document
> > and press enter, JAWS says "edit Has Flows From."  This does not seem to
> > happen when pressing enter for subsequent lines.
> > 2.      When reviewing a document in Writer 4.1, sometimes one line will
> > be read when I'm actually reading another.  As an example, if I move from
> > the second line down to the third line, JAWS sometimes still reads the
> > second line.  This behavior does not always occur but it happens
> regularly
> > enough that I felt it should be reported.  Once, while reviewing a
> document
> > character by character, JAWS says "blank" instead of the actual character
> > under the cursor and I had to perform a screen refresh.
> >
> > Freedom Scientific's initial response was disappointing, indicating that
> > JAWS currently does not support OpenOffice and then I was told about
> their
> > support for Microsoft Office.  While I have nothing against screen
> readers
> > supporting Microsoft Office, many of my consumers can't easily afford
> > another expensive piece of software and they deserve a good, solid,
> robust
> > alternative.  I attempted to convey this in my reply and later spoke with
> > John Carson in their escalation department about this, who told me that
> he
> > would report it to the appropriate people in product development.  I
> don't
> > necessarily think that what I'm finding are OpenOffice bugs, which is
> why I
> > haven't filed any tickets as bug reports.  I just wanted to give those
> > interested on the list a report about my initial findings.
> > If there are specific things you'd like me to test or play with, please
> > let me know as I'd be happy and honored to assist.
> >
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> Yu Zhen
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Steve Yin