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Posted to dev@cloudstack.apache.org by Joe Brockmeier <jz...@zonker.net> on 2012/09/06 21:34:17 UTC
IRC Meeting Times
Hi all,
Last week, Wido raised a good point - that Friday 19:00UTC was not
working out for folks in Europe, as "that's normally the time when you
start to attend to your social life." He proposed moving the meetings to
Wednesdays or Thursdays, and at 21:00UTC instead.
(That'd be 2 p.m. Pacific, 5 p.m. Eastern)
Moving the meeting to Wednesday or Thursday, and alternating between
19:00 and 21:00 UTC seems reasonable to me. (Note - pick Wednesday *or*
Thursday, please)
Thoughts, comments, etc.?
--
Joe Brockmeier
jzb@zonker.net
Twitter: @jzb
http://www.dissociatedpress.net/
RE: IRC Meeting Times
Posted by Alex Huang <Al...@citrix.com>.
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Robert Schweikert [mailto:rjschwei@suse.com]
> Sent: Thursday, September 06, 2012 1:00 PM
> To: cloudstack-dev@incubator.apache.org
> Subject: Re: IRC Meeting Times
>
> On 09/06/2012 03:34 PM, Joe Brockmeier wrote:
> > Hi all,
> >
> > Last week, Wido raised a good point - that Friday 19:00UTC was not
> > working out for folks in Europe, as "that's normally the time when you
> > start to attend to your social life." He proposed moving the meetings
> > to Wednesdays or Thursdays, and at 21:00UTC instead.
> >
> > (That'd be 2 p.m. Pacific, 5 p.m. Eastern)
> >
> > Moving the meeting to Wednesday or Thursday, and alternating between
> > 19:00 and 21:00 UTC seems reasonable to me. (Note - pick Wednesday
> > *or* Thursday, please)
> >
> > Thoughts, comments, etc.?
> >
>
> In the openSUSE project we've come to the realization that alternate times
> did not work as people could never reliably remember at what time the
> meeting was being held in any given week.
>
> One thing to combat this issue would be to set up a calendar on the project
> web site that people can import into their calendar client via ICS (iCalendar).
> The calendar would be useful even if we just stick to one time slot instead of
> alternating.
>
> My $0.02
+1 on set time rather than alternate. Fine with moving to Wednesday or Thursday. In fact I think Wednesday give us more time to attend to the todo list generated from the meeting so I vote for Wednesday.
--Alex
Re: IRC Meeting Times
Posted by Robert Schweikert <rj...@suse.com>.
On 09/06/2012 03:34 PM, Joe Brockmeier wrote:
> Hi all,
>
> Last week, Wido raised a good point - that Friday 19:00UTC was not
> working out for folks in Europe, as "that's normally the time when you
> start to attend to your social life." He proposed moving the meetings to
> Wednesdays or Thursdays, and at 21:00UTC instead.
>
> (That'd be 2 p.m. Pacific, 5 p.m. Eastern)
>
> Moving the meeting to Wednesday or Thursday, and alternating between
> 19:00 and 21:00 UTC seems reasonable to me. (Note - pick Wednesday *or*
> Thursday, please)
>
> Thoughts, comments, etc.?
>
In the openSUSE project we've come to the realization that alternate
times did not work as people could never reliably remember at what time
the meeting was being held in any given week.
One thing to combat this issue would be to set up a calendar on the
project web site that people can import into their calendar client via
ICS (iCalendar). The calendar would be useful even if we just stick to
one time slot instead of alternating.
My $0.02
Robert
--
Robert Schweikert MAY THE SOURCE BE WITH YOU
SUSE-IBM Software Integration Center LINUX
Tech Lead
rjschwei@suse.com
rschweik@ca.ibm.com
781-464-8147
Re: IRC Meeting Times
Posted by Joe Brockmeier <jz...@zonker.net>.
I totally agree - the better we can do at setting an agenda, the better.
On Thu, Sep 6, 2012, at 04:55 PM, Mohammad Nour El-Din wrote:
> Hi...
>
> Will not be able to have a times that suits all, try to get a time
> that suits most of people for that time and they can attend next time,
> taking into account having ASF rules when it comes to off the mailing
> list communications.
>
> An idea I would like to propose is to have a certain list of topics
> (agenda) for a specific IRC meeting so different people can evaluate
> whether they should/shoudn't attend that meeting and hence you get
> only the people interested and less people means agreeing on time
> easier I believe.
>
> On Thu, Sep 6, 2012 at 11:34 PM, Joe Brockmeier <jz...@zonker.net> wrote:
> > On Thu, Sep 6, 2012, at 04:21 PM, Wido den Hollander wrote:
> >> The reason I'm opting for 21:00 UTC is that it's after dinner.
> >
> > That's totally reasonable... but 21:00 UTC is 17:00 for folks on Eastern
> > time in the U.S., which is usually the end of the work day for folks who
> > actually clock out at 5. (Actually, it's 17:00 part of the year, 16:00
> > part of the year since UTC is constant but you have daylight savings to
> > figure in for many timezones.)
> >
> >> I'd not rotate times, as that will confuse people.
> >
> > I agree with this - but if we go with a single time, it's going to be
> > inconvenient for someone all of the time. So in that case, I guess we're
> > going to be stuck with deciding who gets stuck with an inconvenient time
> > all the time.
> > --
> > Joe Brockmeier
> > jzb@zonker.net
> > Twitter: @jzb
> > http://www.dissociatedpress.net/
>
>
>
> --
> Thanks
> - Mohammad Nour
> ----
> "Life is like riding a bicycle. To keep your balance you must keep
> moving"
> - Albert Einstein
--
Joe Brockmeier
jzb@zonker.net
Twitter: @jzb
http://www.dissociatedpress.net/
Re: IRC Meeting Times
Posted by Mohammad Nour El-Din <no...@gmail.com>.
Oooops a writing mistake, see below
On Sat, Sep 8, 2012 at 7:06 PM, Mohammad Nour El-Din
<no...@gmail.com> wrote:
> Hi Noah...
>
> On Sat, Sep 8, 2012 at 6:58 PM, Noah Slater <ns...@tumbolia.org> wrote:
>> My apologies, Mohammad.
>
> 1st of all no apologies are needed at Noah :), your concern was
1st of all no apologies are needed at all Noah :), your concern was
> totally correct and actually it shows the sense of awareness about
> open communities :)
>
>>
>> Just getting up to speed on CloudStack. (My first time being a mentor.) I
>> shall take care to read the older threads. :)
>
> It would be nice for sure, but I know it is sometimes hard to dig into
> old e-mails more specifically for a very active community like ACS.
>
> But again don't feel reluctant at all sending any concerns, ideas,
> comments, feedback, etc... . My point was that this kind of concerns
> like the ones you already expressed were already discussed and hence
> there is no reason to re-discuss them again :)
>
> Cya around in the mailing lists :)
>
>>
>> On Sat, Sep 8, 2012 at 5:56 PM, Mohammad Nour El-Din <
>> nour.mohammad@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>> Hi Noah...
>>>
>>> Please read my feedback inline
>>>
>>> On Sat, Sep 8, 2012 at 6:48 PM, Noah Slater <ns...@tumbolia.org> wrote:
>>> > How can people who do not use IRC participate in these meetings, or the
>>> > discussions held at them?
>>> >
>>> > It is important that community discussions take place on the mailing
>>> list.
>>> > And where they take place off the mailing list, that they are summarised
>>> on
>>> > the mailing list. It is also important that people who do not use IRC are
>>> > able to partake in discussions.
>>>
>>> Totally agree, and again, we have already discussed that. It is
>>> already ASF rules and these rules have been conducted already on other
>>> mailing threads.
>>>
>>> But IM sometimes give better chances to discuss things in details in
>>> a way that might be better than having the same discussion over
>>> e-mail.
>>>
>>> But no decisions will/should be made with bringing them back to the
>>> mailing list and give all ppl involved the opportunity to give their
>>> opinion and participate in the decision making.
>>>
>>> >
>>> > One option is to hold meetings on IRC, post a summary of what was
>>> > discussed, and then invite people on the mailing list to continue the
>>> > discussion. But discussions must be copied to the mailing list, and
>>> people
>>> > must have a chance to participate.
>>> >
>>> > On Thu, Sep 6, 2012 at 10:55 PM, Mohammad Nour El-Din <
>>> > nour.mohammad@gmail.com> wrote:
>>> >
>>> >> Hi...
>>> >>
>>> >> Will not be able to have a times that suits all, try to get a time
>>> >> that suits most of people for that time and they can attend next time,
>>> >> taking into account having ASF rules when it comes to off the mailing
>>> >> list communications.
>>> >>
>>> >> An idea I would like to propose is to have a certain list of topics
>>> >> (agenda) for a specific IRC meeting so different people can evaluate
>>> >> whether they should/shoudn't attend that meeting and hence you get
>>> >> only the people interested and less people means agreeing on time
>>> >> easier I believe.
>>> >>
>>> >> On Thu, Sep 6, 2012 at 11:34 PM, Joe Brockmeier <jz...@zonker.net> wrote:
>>> >> > On Thu, Sep 6, 2012, at 04:21 PM, Wido den Hollander wrote:
>>> >> >> The reason I'm opting for 21:00 UTC is that it's after dinner.
>>> >> >
>>> >> > That's totally reasonable... but 21:00 UTC is 17:00 for folks on
>>> Eastern
>>> >> > time in the U.S., which is usually the end of the work day for folks
>>> who
>>> >> > actually clock out at 5. (Actually, it's 17:00 part of the year, 16:00
>>> >> > part of the year since UTC is constant but you have daylight savings
>>> to
>>> >> > figure in for many timezones.)
>>> >> >
>>> >> >> I'd not rotate times, as that will confuse people.
>>> >> >
>>> >> > I agree with this - but if we go with a single time, it's going to be
>>> >> > inconvenient for someone all of the time. So in that case, I guess
>>> we're
>>> >> > going to be stuck with deciding who gets stuck with an inconvenient
>>> time
>>> >> > all the time.
>>> >> > --
>>> >> > Joe Brockmeier
>>> >> > jzb@zonker.net
>>> >> > Twitter: @jzb
>>> >> > http://www.dissociatedpress.net/
>>> >>
>>> >>
>>> >>
>>> >> --
>>> >> Thanks
>>> >> - Mohammad Nour
>>> >> ----
>>> >> "Life is like riding a bicycle. To keep your balance you must keep
>>> moving"
>>> >> - Albert Einstein
>>> >>
>>> >
>>> >
>>> >
>>> > --
>>> > NS
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> --
>>> Thanks
>>> - Mohammad Nour
>>> ----
>>> "Life is like riding a bicycle. To keep your balance you must keep moving"
>>> - Albert Einstein
>>>
>>
>>
>>
>> --
>> NS
>
>
>
> --
> Thanks
> - Mohammad Nour
> ----
> "Life is like riding a bicycle. To keep your balance you must keep moving"
> - Albert Einstein
--
Thanks
- Mohammad Nour
----
"Life is like riding a bicycle. To keep your balance you must keep moving"
- Albert Einstein
RE: ant clean-all build-all error.
org.apache.axis2.tool.ant.AntCodegenTask cannot be found
Posted by Edison Su <Ed...@citrix.com>.
There are two steps:
1. mvn -P deps
2. ant build-all
We will fully migrate to maven in the next few weeks.
> -----Original Message-----
> From: yueluck@163.com [mailto:yueluck@163.com] On Behalf Of
> cloudstacks@163.com
> Sent: Saturday, September 08, 2012 10:32 AM
> To: cloudstack-dev@incubator.apache.org
> Subject: ant clean-all build-all error.
> org.apache.axis2.tool.ant.AntCodegenTask cannot be found
>
> mavan can not configurate build-environment correctly.
>
>
>
> [root@xxxxxxx xxxxxxxxx]# ant clean-all
> Buildfile: build.xml
> [echo] Using build parameters from /mnt/cloudstack/build/build-
> cloud.properties
> [echo] Using company info from
> /mnt/cloudstack/build/cloud.properties
> [echo] Using override file from
> /mnt/cloudstack/build/replace.properties
> [echo] Using build parameters from /mnt/cloudstack/build/build-
> cloud.properties
> [echo] Using company info from
> /mnt/cloudstack/build/cloud.properties
> [echo] Using override file from
> /mnt/cloudstack/build/replace.properties
>
> BUILD FAILED
> /mnt/cloudstack/build.xml:48: The following error occurred while
> executing this line:
> /mnt/cloudstack/build/build-aws-api.xml:34: taskdef class
> org.apache.axis2.tool.ant.AntCodegenTask cannot be found
>
> Total time: 1 second
Re: ant clean-all build-all error. org.apache.axis2.tool.ant.AntCodegenTask
cannot be found
Posted by Wido den Hollander <wi...@widodh.nl>.
On 09/10/2012 07:50 AM, coudstacks wrote:
> [root@cloudstack incubator-cloudstack]# mvn -P deps -pl deps
Could you try:
$ mvn install -P deps
And make sure you are using at least maven 3!
Wido
> [INFO] Scanning for projects...
> [INFO] ------------------------------------------------------------------------
> [INFO] Building Apache CloudStack Dependencies
> [INFO] task-segment: [install]
> [INFO] ------------------------------------------------------------------------
> [WARNING] The parameter expression: 'project.build.resources' used in mojo: 'process' has been deprecated. Use 'project.resources' instead.
> [INFO] [remote-resources:process {execution: default}]
> Downloading: http://libvirt.org/maven2/org/libvirt/libvirt/0.4.8/libvirt-0.4.8.pom
> 1K downloaded (libvirt-0.4.8.pom)
> Downloading: http://repo1.maven.org/maven2/com/caringo/client/CAStorSDK/1.3.1-CS40/CAStorSDK-1.3.1-CS40.pom
> 3K downloaded (CAStorSDK-1.3.1-CS40.pom)
> Downloading: http://repo1.maven.org/maven2/org/sonatype/oss/oss-parent/7/oss-parent-7.pom
> 4K downloaded (oss-parent-7.pom)
> Downloading: http://repo1.maven.org/maven2/org/jvnet/hudson/jmdns/2.1/jmdns-2.1.pom
> 2K downloaded (jmdns-2.1.pom)
> Downloading: http://repo1.maven.org/maven2/log4j/log4j/1.2.14/log4j-1.2.14.pom
> 2K downloaded (log4j-1.2.14.pom)
> Downloading: http://ws.zones.apache.org/repository2/org/apache/woden/woden/1.0M8/woden-1.0M8.pom
> [WARNING] Unable to get resource 'org.apache.woden:woden:pom:1.0M8' from repository apache-ws-snapshots2 (http://ws.zones.apache.org/repository2): Error transferring file: Connection timed out
> Downloading: http://tomcat.apache.org/dev/dist/m2-repository/org/apache/woden/woden/1.0M8/woden-1.0M8.pom
> [INFO] Unable to find resource 'org.apache.woden:woden:pom:1.0M8' in repository tomcat-repository (http://tomcat.apache.org/dev/dist/m2-repository)
> Downloading: http://repo1.maven.org/eclipse/org/apache/woden/woden/1.0M8/woden-1.0M8.pom
> [INFO] Unable to find resource 'org.apache.woden:woden:pom:1.0M8' in repository eclipse-repo (http://repo1.maven.org/eclipse)
> Downloading: https://maven-repository.dev.java.net/nonav/repository//org.apache.woden/poms/woden-1.0M8.pom
> [WARNING] Unable to get resource 'org.apache.woden:woden:pom:1.0M8' from repository java.net (https://maven-repository.dev.java.net/nonav/repository/): Error transferring file: maven-repository.dev.java.net
> Downloading: http://repo1.maven.org/maven2/org/apache/woden/woden/1.0M8/woden-1.0M8.pom
> [WARNING] Unable to get resource 'org.apache.woden:woden:pom:1.0M8' from repository central (http://repo1.maven.org/maven2): Error transferring file: Connection reset
> [INFO] ------------------------------------------------------------------------
> [ERROR] BUILD ERROR
> [INFO] ------------------------------------------------------------------------
> [INFO] Failed to resolve dependencies for one or more projects in the reactor. Reason: Unable to get dependency information: Unable to read the metadata file for artifact 'org.apache.woden:woden-api:jar': Cannot find parent: org.apache.woden:woden for project: null:woden-api:jar:null for project null:woden-api:jar:null
> org.apache.woden:woden-api:jar:1.0M8
> from the specified remote repositories:
> eclipse-repo (http://repo1.maven.org/eclipse),
> apache.snapshots (http://repository.apache.org/snapshots),
> central (http://repo1.maven.org/maven2),
> tomcat-repository (http://tomcat.apache.org/dev/dist/m2-repository),
> java.net (https://maven-repository.dev.java.net/nonav/repository/),
> apache-ws-snapshots2 (http://ws.zones.apache.org/repository2)
> Path to dependency:
> 1) org.apache.cloudstack:cloud-deps:jar:4.0.0-SNAPSHOT
> 2) org.apache.axis2:axis2-ant-plugin:jar:1.4.1
> 3) org.apache.axis2:axis2-codegen:jar:1.4.1
> 4) org.apache.axis2:axis2-kernel:jar:1.4.1
>
> Unable to download the artifact from any repository
> [INFO] ------------------------------------------------------------------------
> [INFO] For more information, run Maven with the -e switch
> [INFO] ------------------------------------------------------------------------
> [INFO] Total time: 38 seconds
> [INFO] Finished at: Mon Sep 10 13:48:03 CST 2012
> [INFO] Final Memory: 26M/63M
> [INFO] ------------------------------------------------------------------------
>
>
> At 2012-09-09 02:17:37,"Chip Childers" <ch...@sungard.com> wrote:
>>From the project root dir:
>>
>> mvn -P deps -pl deps
>>
>> That will get you the required dependencies.
>>
>> On Sat, Sep 8, 2012 at 1:31 PM, <cl...@163.com> wrote:
>>> mavan can not configurate build-environment correctly.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> [root@xxxxxxx xxxxxxxxx]# ant clean-all
>>> Buildfile: build.xml
>>> [echo] Using build parameters from /mnt/cloudstack/build/build-cloud.properties
>>> [echo] Using company info from /mnt/cloudstack/build/cloud.properties
>>> [echo] Using override file from /mnt/cloudstack/build/replace.properties
>>> [echo] Using build parameters from /mnt/cloudstack/build/build-cloud.properties
>>> [echo] Using company info from /mnt/cloudstack/build/cloud.properties
>>> [echo] Using override file from /mnt/cloudstack/build/replace.properties
>>>
>>> BUILD FAILED
>>> /mnt/cloudstack/build.xml:48: The following error occurred while executing this line:
>>> /mnt/cloudstack/build/build-aws-api.xml:34: taskdef class org.apache.axis2.tool.ant.AntCodegenTask cannot be found
>>>
>>> Total time: 1 second
>
Re:Re: ant clean-all build-all error.
org.apache.axis2.tool.ant.AntCodegenTask cannot be found
Posted by coudstacks <cl...@163.com>.
[root@cloudstack incubator-cloudstack]# mvn -P deps -pl deps
[INFO] Scanning for projects...
[INFO] ------------------------------------------------------------------------
[INFO] Building Apache CloudStack Dependencies
[INFO] task-segment: [install]
[INFO] ------------------------------------------------------------------------
[WARNING] The parameter expression: 'project.build.resources' used in mojo: 'process' has been deprecated. Use 'project.resources' instead.
[INFO] [remote-resources:process {execution: default}]
Downloading: http://libvirt.org/maven2/org/libvirt/libvirt/0.4.8/libvirt-0.4.8.pom
1K downloaded (libvirt-0.4.8.pom)
Downloading: http://repo1.maven.org/maven2/com/caringo/client/CAStorSDK/1.3.1-CS40/CAStorSDK-1.3.1-CS40.pom
3K downloaded (CAStorSDK-1.3.1-CS40.pom)
Downloading: http://repo1.maven.org/maven2/org/sonatype/oss/oss-parent/7/oss-parent-7.pom
4K downloaded (oss-parent-7.pom)
Downloading: http://repo1.maven.org/maven2/org/jvnet/hudson/jmdns/2.1/jmdns-2.1.pom
2K downloaded (jmdns-2.1.pom)
Downloading: http://repo1.maven.org/maven2/log4j/log4j/1.2.14/log4j-1.2.14.pom
2K downloaded (log4j-1.2.14.pom)
Downloading: http://ws.zones.apache.org/repository2/org/apache/woden/woden/1.0M8/woden-1.0M8.pom
[WARNING] Unable to get resource 'org.apache.woden:woden:pom:1.0M8' from repository apache-ws-snapshots2 (http://ws.zones.apache.org/repository2): Error transferring file: Connection timed out
Downloading: http://tomcat.apache.org/dev/dist/m2-repository/org/apache/woden/woden/1.0M8/woden-1.0M8.pom
[INFO] Unable to find resource 'org.apache.woden:woden:pom:1.0M8' in repository tomcat-repository (http://tomcat.apache.org/dev/dist/m2-repository)
Downloading: http://repo1.maven.org/eclipse/org/apache/woden/woden/1.0M8/woden-1.0M8.pom
[INFO] Unable to find resource 'org.apache.woden:woden:pom:1.0M8' in repository eclipse-repo (http://repo1.maven.org/eclipse)
Downloading: https://maven-repository.dev.java.net/nonav/repository//org.apache.woden/poms/woden-1.0M8.pom
[WARNING] Unable to get resource 'org.apache.woden:woden:pom:1.0M8' from repository java.net (https://maven-repository.dev.java.net/nonav/repository/): Error transferring file: maven-repository.dev.java.net
Downloading: http://repo1.maven.org/maven2/org/apache/woden/woden/1.0M8/woden-1.0M8.pom
[WARNING] Unable to get resource 'org.apache.woden:woden:pom:1.0M8' from repository central (http://repo1.maven.org/maven2): Error transferring file: Connection reset
[INFO] ------------------------------------------------------------------------
[ERROR] BUILD ERROR
[INFO] ------------------------------------------------------------------------
[INFO] Failed to resolve dependencies for one or more projects in the reactor. Reason: Unable to get dependency information: Unable to read the metadata file for artifact 'org.apache.woden:woden-api:jar': Cannot find parent: org.apache.woden:woden for project: null:woden-api:jar:null for project null:woden-api:jar:null
org.apache.woden:woden-api:jar:1.0M8
from the specified remote repositories:
eclipse-repo (http://repo1.maven.org/eclipse),
apache.snapshots (http://repository.apache.org/snapshots),
central (http://repo1.maven.org/maven2),
tomcat-repository (http://tomcat.apache.org/dev/dist/m2-repository),
java.net (https://maven-repository.dev.java.net/nonav/repository/),
apache-ws-snapshots2 (http://ws.zones.apache.org/repository2)
Path to dependency:
1) org.apache.cloudstack:cloud-deps:jar:4.0.0-SNAPSHOT
2) org.apache.axis2:axis2-ant-plugin:jar:1.4.1
3) org.apache.axis2:axis2-codegen:jar:1.4.1
4) org.apache.axis2:axis2-kernel:jar:1.4.1
Unable to download the artifact from any repository
[INFO] ------------------------------------------------------------------------
[INFO] For more information, run Maven with the -e switch
[INFO] ------------------------------------------------------------------------
[INFO] Total time: 38 seconds
[INFO] Finished at: Mon Sep 10 13:48:03 CST 2012
[INFO] Final Memory: 26M/63M
[INFO] ------------------------------------------------------------------------
At 2012-09-09 02:17:37,"Chip Childers" <ch...@sungard.com> wrote:
>From the project root dir:
>
>mvn -P deps -pl deps
>
>That will get you the required dependencies.
>
>On Sat, Sep 8, 2012 at 1:31 PM, <cl...@163.com> wrote:
>> mavan can not configurate build-environment correctly.
>>
>>
>>
>> [root@xxxxxxx xxxxxxxxx]# ant clean-all
>> Buildfile: build.xml
>> [echo] Using build parameters from /mnt/cloudstack/build/build-cloud.properties
>> [echo] Using company info from /mnt/cloudstack/build/cloud.properties
>> [echo] Using override file from /mnt/cloudstack/build/replace.properties
>> [echo] Using build parameters from /mnt/cloudstack/build/build-cloud.properties
>> [echo] Using company info from /mnt/cloudstack/build/cloud.properties
>> [echo] Using override file from /mnt/cloudstack/build/replace.properties
>>
>> BUILD FAILED
>> /mnt/cloudstack/build.xml:48: The following error occurred while executing this line:
>> /mnt/cloudstack/build/build-aws-api.xml:34: taskdef class org.apache.axis2.tool.ant.AntCodegenTask cannot be found
>>
>> Total time: 1 second
Re: ant clean-all build-all error. org.apache.axis2.tool.ant.AntCodegenTask
cannot be found
Posted by Chip Childers <ch...@sungard.com>.
>From the project root dir:
mvn -P deps -pl deps
That will get you the required dependencies.
On Sat, Sep 8, 2012 at 1:31 PM, <cl...@163.com> wrote:
> mavan can not configurate build-environment correctly.
>
>
>
> [root@xxxxxxx xxxxxxxxx]# ant clean-all
> Buildfile: build.xml
> [echo] Using build parameters from /mnt/cloudstack/build/build-cloud.properties
> [echo] Using company info from /mnt/cloudstack/build/cloud.properties
> [echo] Using override file from /mnt/cloudstack/build/replace.properties
> [echo] Using build parameters from /mnt/cloudstack/build/build-cloud.properties
> [echo] Using company info from /mnt/cloudstack/build/cloud.properties
> [echo] Using override file from /mnt/cloudstack/build/replace.properties
>
> BUILD FAILED
> /mnt/cloudstack/build.xml:48: The following error occurred while executing this line:
> /mnt/cloudstack/build/build-aws-api.xml:34: taskdef class org.apache.axis2.tool.ant.AntCodegenTask cannot be found
>
> Total time: 1 second
ant clean-all build-all error.
org.apache.axis2.tool.ant.AntCodegenTask cannot be found
Posted by cl...@163.com.
mavan can not configurate build-environment correctly.
[root@xxxxxxx xxxxxxxxx]# ant clean-all
Buildfile: build.xml
[echo] Using build parameters from /mnt/cloudstack/build/build-cloud.properties
[echo] Using company info from /mnt/cloudstack/build/cloud.properties
[echo] Using override file from /mnt/cloudstack/build/replace.properties
[echo] Using build parameters from /mnt/cloudstack/build/build-cloud.properties
[echo] Using company info from /mnt/cloudstack/build/cloud.properties
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Re: IRC Meeting Times
Posted by Noah Slater <ns...@tumbolia.org>.
Heh. Thanks. See you around. :)
On Sat, Sep 8, 2012 at 6:06 PM, Mohammad Nour El-Din <
nour.mohammad@gmail.com> wrote:
> Hi Noah...
>
> On Sat, Sep 8, 2012 at 6:58 PM, Noah Slater <ns...@tumbolia.org> wrote:
> > My apologies, Mohammad.
>
> 1st of all no apologies are needed at Noah :), your concern was
> totally correct and actually it shows the sense of awareness about
> open communities :)
>
> >
> > Just getting up to speed on CloudStack. (My first time being a mentor.) I
> > shall take care to read the older threads. :)
>
> It would be nice for sure, but I know it is sometimes hard to dig into
> old e-mails more specifically for a very active community like ACS.
>
> But again don't feel reluctant at all sending any concerns, ideas,
> comments, feedback, etc... . My point was that this kind of concerns
> like the ones you already expressed were already discussed and hence
> there is no reason to re-discuss them again :)
>
> Cya around in the mailing lists :)
>
> >
> > On Sat, Sep 8, 2012 at 5:56 PM, Mohammad Nour El-Din <
> > nour.mohammad@gmail.com> wrote:
> >
> >> Hi Noah...
> >>
> >> Please read my feedback inline
> >>
> >> On Sat, Sep 8, 2012 at 6:48 PM, Noah Slater <ns...@tumbolia.org>
> wrote:
> >> > How can people who do not use IRC participate in these meetings, or
> the
> >> > discussions held at them?
> >> >
> >> > It is important that community discussions take place on the mailing
> >> list.
> >> > And where they take place off the mailing list, that they are
> summarised
> >> on
> >> > the mailing list. It is also important that people who do not use IRC
> are
> >> > able to partake in discussions.
> >>
> >> Totally agree, and again, we have already discussed that. It is
> >> already ASF rules and these rules have been conducted already on other
> >> mailing threads.
> >>
> >> But IM sometimes give better chances to discuss things in details in
> >> a way that might be better than having the same discussion over
> >> e-mail.
> >>
> >> But no decisions will/should be made with bringing them back to the
> >> mailing list and give all ppl involved the opportunity to give their
> >> opinion and participate in the decision making.
> >>
> >> >
> >> > One option is to hold meetings on IRC, post a summary of what was
> >> > discussed, and then invite people on the mailing list to continue the
> >> > discussion. But discussions must be copied to the mailing list, and
> >> people
> >> > must have a chance to participate.
> >> >
> >> > On Thu, Sep 6, 2012 at 10:55 PM, Mohammad Nour El-Din <
> >> > nour.mohammad@gmail.com> wrote:
> >> >
> >> >> Hi...
> >> >>
> >> >> Will not be able to have a times that suits all, try to get a time
> >> >> that suits most of people for that time and they can attend next
> time,
> >> >> taking into account having ASF rules when it comes to off the mailing
> >> >> list communications.
> >> >>
> >> >> An idea I would like to propose is to have a certain list of topics
> >> >> (agenda) for a specific IRC meeting so different people can evaluate
> >> >> whether they should/shoudn't attend that meeting and hence you get
> >> >> only the people interested and less people means agreeing on time
> >> >> easier I believe.
> >> >>
> >> >> On Thu, Sep 6, 2012 at 11:34 PM, Joe Brockmeier <jz...@zonker.net>
> wrote:
> >> >> > On Thu, Sep 6, 2012, at 04:21 PM, Wido den Hollander wrote:
> >> >> >> The reason I'm opting for 21:00 UTC is that it's after dinner.
> >> >> >
> >> >> > That's totally reasonable... but 21:00 UTC is 17:00 for folks on
> >> Eastern
> >> >> > time in the U.S., which is usually the end of the work day for
> folks
> >> who
> >> >> > actually clock out at 5. (Actually, it's 17:00 part of the year,
> 16:00
> >> >> > part of the year since UTC is constant but you have daylight
> savings
> >> to
> >> >> > figure in for many timezones.)
> >> >> >
> >> >> >> I'd not rotate times, as that will confuse people.
> >> >> >
> >> >> > I agree with this - but if we go with a single time, it's going to
> be
> >> >> > inconvenient for someone all of the time. So in that case, I guess
> >> we're
> >> >> > going to be stuck with deciding who gets stuck with an inconvenient
> >> time
> >> >> > all the time.
> >> >> > --
> >> >> > Joe Brockmeier
> >> >> > jzb@zonker.net
> >> >> > Twitter: @jzb
> >> >> > http://www.dissociatedpress.net/
> >> >>
> >> >>
> >> >>
> >> >> --
> >> >> Thanks
> >> >> - Mohammad Nour
> >> >> ----
> >> >> "Life is like riding a bicycle. To keep your balance you must keep
> >> moving"
> >> >> - Albert Einstein
> >> >>
> >> >
> >> >
> >> >
> >> > --
> >> > NS
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> --
> >> Thanks
> >> - Mohammad Nour
> >> ----
> >> "Life is like riding a bicycle. To keep your balance you must keep
> moving"
> >> - Albert Einstein
> >>
> >
> >
> >
> > --
> > NS
>
>
>
> --
> Thanks
> - Mohammad Nour
> ----
> "Life is like riding a bicycle. To keep your balance you must keep moving"
> - Albert Einstein
>
--
NS
Re: IRC Meeting Times
Posted by Mohammad Nour El-Din <no...@gmail.com>.
Hi Noah...
On Sat, Sep 8, 2012 at 6:58 PM, Noah Slater <ns...@tumbolia.org> wrote:
> My apologies, Mohammad.
1st of all no apologies are needed at Noah :), your concern was
totally correct and actually it shows the sense of awareness about
open communities :)
>
> Just getting up to speed on CloudStack. (My first time being a mentor.) I
> shall take care to read the older threads. :)
It would be nice for sure, but I know it is sometimes hard to dig into
old e-mails more specifically for a very active community like ACS.
But again don't feel reluctant at all sending any concerns, ideas,
comments, feedback, etc... . My point was that this kind of concerns
like the ones you already expressed were already discussed and hence
there is no reason to re-discuss them again :)
Cya around in the mailing lists :)
>
> On Sat, Sep 8, 2012 at 5:56 PM, Mohammad Nour El-Din <
> nour.mohammad@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> Hi Noah...
>>
>> Please read my feedback inline
>>
>> On Sat, Sep 8, 2012 at 6:48 PM, Noah Slater <ns...@tumbolia.org> wrote:
>> > How can people who do not use IRC participate in these meetings, or the
>> > discussions held at them?
>> >
>> > It is important that community discussions take place on the mailing
>> list.
>> > And where they take place off the mailing list, that they are summarised
>> on
>> > the mailing list. It is also important that people who do not use IRC are
>> > able to partake in discussions.
>>
>> Totally agree, and again, we have already discussed that. It is
>> already ASF rules and these rules have been conducted already on other
>> mailing threads.
>>
>> But IM sometimes give better chances to discuss things in details in
>> a way that might be better than having the same discussion over
>> e-mail.
>>
>> But no decisions will/should be made with bringing them back to the
>> mailing list and give all ppl involved the opportunity to give their
>> opinion and participate in the decision making.
>>
>> >
>> > One option is to hold meetings on IRC, post a summary of what was
>> > discussed, and then invite people on the mailing list to continue the
>> > discussion. But discussions must be copied to the mailing list, and
>> people
>> > must have a chance to participate.
>> >
>> > On Thu, Sep 6, 2012 at 10:55 PM, Mohammad Nour El-Din <
>> > nour.mohammad@gmail.com> wrote:
>> >
>> >> Hi...
>> >>
>> >> Will not be able to have a times that suits all, try to get a time
>> >> that suits most of people for that time and they can attend next time,
>> >> taking into account having ASF rules when it comes to off the mailing
>> >> list communications.
>> >>
>> >> An idea I would like to propose is to have a certain list of topics
>> >> (agenda) for a specific IRC meeting so different people can evaluate
>> >> whether they should/shoudn't attend that meeting and hence you get
>> >> only the people interested and less people means agreeing on time
>> >> easier I believe.
>> >>
>> >> On Thu, Sep 6, 2012 at 11:34 PM, Joe Brockmeier <jz...@zonker.net> wrote:
>> >> > On Thu, Sep 6, 2012, at 04:21 PM, Wido den Hollander wrote:
>> >> >> The reason I'm opting for 21:00 UTC is that it's after dinner.
>> >> >
>> >> > That's totally reasonable... but 21:00 UTC is 17:00 for folks on
>> Eastern
>> >> > time in the U.S., which is usually the end of the work day for folks
>> who
>> >> > actually clock out at 5. (Actually, it's 17:00 part of the year, 16:00
>> >> > part of the year since UTC is constant but you have daylight savings
>> to
>> >> > figure in for many timezones.)
>> >> >
>> >> >> I'd not rotate times, as that will confuse people.
>> >> >
>> >> > I agree with this - but if we go with a single time, it's going to be
>> >> > inconvenient for someone all of the time. So in that case, I guess
>> we're
>> >> > going to be stuck with deciding who gets stuck with an inconvenient
>> time
>> >> > all the time.
>> >> > --
>> >> > Joe Brockmeier
>> >> > jzb@zonker.net
>> >> > Twitter: @jzb
>> >> > http://www.dissociatedpress.net/
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> --
>> >> Thanks
>> >> - Mohammad Nour
>> >> ----
>> >> "Life is like riding a bicycle. To keep your balance you must keep
>> moving"
>> >> - Albert Einstein
>> >>
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > --
>> > NS
>>
>>
>>
>> --
>> Thanks
>> - Mohammad Nour
>> ----
>> "Life is like riding a bicycle. To keep your balance you must keep moving"
>> - Albert Einstein
>>
>
>
>
> --
> NS
--
Thanks
- Mohammad Nour
----
"Life is like riding a bicycle. To keep your balance you must keep moving"
- Albert Einstein
Re: IRC Meeting Times
Posted by Noah Slater <ns...@tumbolia.org>.
My apologies, Mohammad.
Just getting up to speed on CloudStack. (My first time being a mentor.) I
shall take care to read the older threads. :)
On Sat, Sep 8, 2012 at 5:56 PM, Mohammad Nour El-Din <
nour.mohammad@gmail.com> wrote:
> Hi Noah...
>
> Please read my feedback inline
>
> On Sat, Sep 8, 2012 at 6:48 PM, Noah Slater <ns...@tumbolia.org> wrote:
> > How can people who do not use IRC participate in these meetings, or the
> > discussions held at them?
> >
> > It is important that community discussions take place on the mailing
> list.
> > And where they take place off the mailing list, that they are summarised
> on
> > the mailing list. It is also important that people who do not use IRC are
> > able to partake in discussions.
>
> Totally agree, and again, we have already discussed that. It is
> already ASF rules and these rules have been conducted already on other
> mailing threads.
>
> But IM sometimes give better chances to discuss things in details in
> a way that might be better than having the same discussion over
> e-mail.
>
> But no decisions will/should be made with bringing them back to the
> mailing list and give all ppl involved the opportunity to give their
> opinion and participate in the decision making.
>
> >
> > One option is to hold meetings on IRC, post a summary of what was
> > discussed, and then invite people on the mailing list to continue the
> > discussion. But discussions must be copied to the mailing list, and
> people
> > must have a chance to participate.
> >
> > On Thu, Sep 6, 2012 at 10:55 PM, Mohammad Nour El-Din <
> > nour.mohammad@gmail.com> wrote:
> >
> >> Hi...
> >>
> >> Will not be able to have a times that suits all, try to get a time
> >> that suits most of people for that time and they can attend next time,
> >> taking into account having ASF rules when it comes to off the mailing
> >> list communications.
> >>
> >> An idea I would like to propose is to have a certain list of topics
> >> (agenda) for a specific IRC meeting so different people can evaluate
> >> whether they should/shoudn't attend that meeting and hence you get
> >> only the people interested and less people means agreeing on time
> >> easier I believe.
> >>
> >> On Thu, Sep 6, 2012 at 11:34 PM, Joe Brockmeier <jz...@zonker.net> wrote:
> >> > On Thu, Sep 6, 2012, at 04:21 PM, Wido den Hollander wrote:
> >> >> The reason I'm opting for 21:00 UTC is that it's after dinner.
> >> >
> >> > That's totally reasonable... but 21:00 UTC is 17:00 for folks on
> Eastern
> >> > time in the U.S., which is usually the end of the work day for folks
> who
> >> > actually clock out at 5. (Actually, it's 17:00 part of the year, 16:00
> >> > part of the year since UTC is constant but you have daylight savings
> to
> >> > figure in for many timezones.)
> >> >
> >> >> I'd not rotate times, as that will confuse people.
> >> >
> >> > I agree with this - but if we go with a single time, it's going to be
> >> > inconvenient for someone all of the time. So in that case, I guess
> we're
> >> > going to be stuck with deciding who gets stuck with an inconvenient
> time
> >> > all the time.
> >> > --
> >> > Joe Brockmeier
> >> > jzb@zonker.net
> >> > Twitter: @jzb
> >> > http://www.dissociatedpress.net/
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> --
> >> Thanks
> >> - Mohammad Nour
> >> ----
> >> "Life is like riding a bicycle. To keep your balance you must keep
> moving"
> >> - Albert Einstein
> >>
> >
> >
> >
> > --
> > NS
>
>
>
> --
> Thanks
> - Mohammad Nour
> ----
> "Life is like riding a bicycle. To keep your balance you must keep moving"
> - Albert Einstein
>
--
NS
Re: IRC Meeting Times
Posted by Mohammad Nour El-Din <no...@gmail.com>.
Hi Noah...
Please read my feedback inline
On Sat, Sep 8, 2012 at 6:48 PM, Noah Slater <ns...@tumbolia.org> wrote:
> How can people who do not use IRC participate in these meetings, or the
> discussions held at them?
>
> It is important that community discussions take place on the mailing list.
> And where they take place off the mailing list, that they are summarised on
> the mailing list. It is also important that people who do not use IRC are
> able to partake in discussions.
Totally agree, and again, we have already discussed that. It is
already ASF rules and these rules have been conducted already on other
mailing threads.
But IM sometimes give better chances to discuss things in details in
a way that might be better than having the same discussion over
e-mail.
But no decisions will/should be made with bringing them back to the
mailing list and give all ppl involved the opportunity to give their
opinion and participate in the decision making.
>
> One option is to hold meetings on IRC, post a summary of what was
> discussed, and then invite people on the mailing list to continue the
> discussion. But discussions must be copied to the mailing list, and people
> must have a chance to participate.
>
> On Thu, Sep 6, 2012 at 10:55 PM, Mohammad Nour El-Din <
> nour.mohammad@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> Hi...
>>
>> Will not be able to have a times that suits all, try to get a time
>> that suits most of people for that time and they can attend next time,
>> taking into account having ASF rules when it comes to off the mailing
>> list communications.
>>
>> An idea I would like to propose is to have a certain list of topics
>> (agenda) for a specific IRC meeting so different people can evaluate
>> whether they should/shoudn't attend that meeting and hence you get
>> only the people interested and less people means agreeing on time
>> easier I believe.
>>
>> On Thu, Sep 6, 2012 at 11:34 PM, Joe Brockmeier <jz...@zonker.net> wrote:
>> > On Thu, Sep 6, 2012, at 04:21 PM, Wido den Hollander wrote:
>> >> The reason I'm opting for 21:00 UTC is that it's after dinner.
>> >
>> > That's totally reasonable... but 21:00 UTC is 17:00 for folks on Eastern
>> > time in the U.S., which is usually the end of the work day for folks who
>> > actually clock out at 5. (Actually, it's 17:00 part of the year, 16:00
>> > part of the year since UTC is constant but you have daylight savings to
>> > figure in for many timezones.)
>> >
>> >> I'd not rotate times, as that will confuse people.
>> >
>> > I agree with this - but if we go with a single time, it's going to be
>> > inconvenient for someone all of the time. So in that case, I guess we're
>> > going to be stuck with deciding who gets stuck with an inconvenient time
>> > all the time.
>> > --
>> > Joe Brockmeier
>> > jzb@zonker.net
>> > Twitter: @jzb
>> > http://www.dissociatedpress.net/
>>
>>
>>
>> --
>> Thanks
>> - Mohammad Nour
>> ----
>> "Life is like riding a bicycle. To keep your balance you must keep moving"
>> - Albert Einstein
>>
>
>
>
> --
> NS
--
Thanks
- Mohammad Nour
----
"Life is like riding a bicycle. To keep your balance you must keep moving"
- Albert Einstein
Re: IRC Meeting Times
Posted by Noah Slater <ns...@tumbolia.org>.
How can people who do not use IRC participate in these meetings, or the
discussions held at them?
It is important that community discussions take place on the mailing list.
And where they take place off the mailing list, that they are summarised on
the mailing list. It is also important that people who do not use IRC are
able to partake in discussions.
One option is to hold meetings on IRC, post a summary of what was
discussed, and then invite people on the mailing list to continue the
discussion. But discussions must be copied to the mailing list, and people
must have a chance to participate.
On Thu, Sep 6, 2012 at 10:55 PM, Mohammad Nour El-Din <
nour.mohammad@gmail.com> wrote:
> Hi...
>
> Will not be able to have a times that suits all, try to get a time
> that suits most of people for that time and they can attend next time,
> taking into account having ASF rules when it comes to off the mailing
> list communications.
>
> An idea I would like to propose is to have a certain list of topics
> (agenda) for a specific IRC meeting so different people can evaluate
> whether they should/shoudn't attend that meeting and hence you get
> only the people interested and less people means agreeing on time
> easier I believe.
>
> On Thu, Sep 6, 2012 at 11:34 PM, Joe Brockmeier <jz...@zonker.net> wrote:
> > On Thu, Sep 6, 2012, at 04:21 PM, Wido den Hollander wrote:
> >> The reason I'm opting for 21:00 UTC is that it's after dinner.
> >
> > That's totally reasonable... but 21:00 UTC is 17:00 for folks on Eastern
> > time in the U.S., which is usually the end of the work day for folks who
> > actually clock out at 5. (Actually, it's 17:00 part of the year, 16:00
> > part of the year since UTC is constant but you have daylight savings to
> > figure in for many timezones.)
> >
> >> I'd not rotate times, as that will confuse people.
> >
> > I agree with this - but if we go with a single time, it's going to be
> > inconvenient for someone all of the time. So in that case, I guess we're
> > going to be stuck with deciding who gets stuck with an inconvenient time
> > all the time.
> > --
> > Joe Brockmeier
> > jzb@zonker.net
> > Twitter: @jzb
> > http://www.dissociatedpress.net/
>
>
>
> --
> Thanks
> - Mohammad Nour
> ----
> "Life is like riding a bicycle. To keep your balance you must keep moving"
> - Albert Einstein
>
--
NS
Re: IRC Meeting Times
Posted by Mohammad Nour El-Din <no...@gmail.com>.
Hi...
Will not be able to have a times that suits all, try to get a time
that suits most of people for that time and they can attend next time,
taking into account having ASF rules when it comes to off the mailing
list communications.
An idea I would like to propose is to have a certain list of topics
(agenda) for a specific IRC meeting so different people can evaluate
whether they should/shoudn't attend that meeting and hence you get
only the people interested and less people means agreeing on time
easier I believe.
On Thu, Sep 6, 2012 at 11:34 PM, Joe Brockmeier <jz...@zonker.net> wrote:
> On Thu, Sep 6, 2012, at 04:21 PM, Wido den Hollander wrote:
>> The reason I'm opting for 21:00 UTC is that it's after dinner.
>
> That's totally reasonable... but 21:00 UTC is 17:00 for folks on Eastern
> time in the U.S., which is usually the end of the work day for folks who
> actually clock out at 5. (Actually, it's 17:00 part of the year, 16:00
> part of the year since UTC is constant but you have daylight savings to
> figure in for many timezones.)
>
>> I'd not rotate times, as that will confuse people.
>
> I agree with this - but if we go with a single time, it's going to be
> inconvenient for someone all of the time. So in that case, I guess we're
> going to be stuck with deciding who gets stuck with an inconvenient time
> all the time.
> --
> Joe Brockmeier
> jzb@zonker.net
> Twitter: @jzb
> http://www.dissociatedpress.net/
--
Thanks
- Mohammad Nour
----
"Life is like riding a bicycle. To keep your balance you must keep moving"
- Albert Einstein
Re: Poll (was Re: IRC Meeting Times)
Posted by Mohammad Nour El-Din <no...@gmail.com>.
Hi Noah...
Thanks for your concern and clarification :). But we already
discussed these concerns on another thread and they will be taken care
of.
On Sat, Sep 8, 2012 at 6:28 PM, Noah Slater <ns...@tumbolia.org> wrote:
> Do you have a plan for posting minutes to the mailing lists?
>
> Holding meetings on IRC is fine, but important information, discussions,
> and decisions must me taken (or announced) on the mailing lists. It is
> important to have a permanent record of project progress. Both from a
> foundation perspective, legal perspective, and community perspective. (Not
> everyone who might wish to contribute can or wishes to use IRC.)
>
> On Fri, Sep 7, 2012 at 2:20 AM, Joe Brockmeier <jz...@zonker.net> wrote:
>
>> Argh. Link here:
>>
>> http://doodle.com/65avd6m2ppmea8rz
>>
>> On Thu, Sep 6, 2012, at 05:22 PM, Joe Brockmeier wrote:
>> > Poll here, please vote! I'll leave this up for a few days.
>> >
>> > Thanks,
>> >
>> > Joe
>> > --
>> > Joe Brockmeier
>> > jzb@zonker.net
>> > Twitter: @jzb
>> > http://www.dissociatedpress.net/
>>
>> --
>> Joe Brockmeier
>> jzb@zonker.net
>> Twitter: @jzb
>> http://www.dissociatedpress.net/
>>
>
>
>
> --
> NS
--
Thanks
- Mohammad Nour
----
"Life is like riding a bicycle. To keep your balance you must keep moving"
- Albert Einstein
Re: Poll (was Re: IRC Meeting Times)
Posted by Noah Slater <ns...@tumbolia.org>.
That is a much better point than I was able to come up with. Thanks Daniel!
:D
On Mon, Sep 10, 2012 at 6:29 PM, Daniel Kulp <dk...@apache.org> wrote:
>
> On Sep 10, 2012, at 12:32 PM, Alex Huang <Al...@citrix.com> wrote:
>
> >> The main "Red Flag" to me was the line:
> >>
> >> AGREED: continue using waf to build rpm package (jlkinsel, 17:24:57)
> >>
> >> As soon as I saw "AGREED", a little red flag popped up in my head
> wondering
> >> if a decision had been made on IRC that should have been done on the
> list. I
> >> believe this had been discussed to death on the list already (need to
> double
> >> check, very busy list) and a quick link to show that would definitely
> been
> >> helpful.
> >
> > That's a really good point. Here the agreement was that waf is the
> temporary solution to continue to use to get 4.0 release out. It's not an
> agreement on long term direction of CloudStack. Does it still count as a
> decision? I mean there's tons of these types of "decisions" made during
> the IRC? For example, who's going to help with what work. Todo lists
> being generated. Etc. Do these all count as decisions?
>
>
> As Noah stated, it's kind of a gray area and is something you'll likely
> need to adjust as you move forward, learn what works and doesn't, etc… A
> lot of it can depend exactly on how it's presented in the minutes/log. If
> it was presented more like:
>
> No one present has time to look at other options for RPM packaging right
> now so planning on sticking with waf for now.
>
> then it wouldn't have raised any red flags to me at all. That shows that
> its more of a "remain status quo" for now, but also allows others that were
> not on the irc chat to say "hey, I have some time, can I help out with
> that" or something. Keeps the door open. The "AGREED" wording just
> seems to imply "we're doing this, discussion closed" type thing which
> really isn't the case.
>
>
> --
> Daniel Kulp
> dkulp@apache.org - http://dankulp.com/blog
> Talend Community Coder - http://coders.talend.com
>
>
--
NS
RE: Poll (was Re: IRC Meeting Times)
Posted by Alex Huang <Al...@citrix.com>.
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Daniel Kulp [mailto:dkulp@apache.org]
> Sent: Monday, September 10, 2012 10:29 AM
> To: cloudstack-dev@incubator.apache.org
> Subject: Re: Poll (was Re: IRC Meeting Times)
>
>
> On Sep 10, 2012, at 12:32 PM, Alex Huang <Al...@citrix.com> wrote:
>
> >> The main "Red Flag" to me was the line:
> >>
> >> AGREED: continue using waf to build rpm package (jlkinsel, 17:24:57)
> >>
> >> As soon as I saw "AGREED", a little red flag popped up in my head
> wondering
> >> if a decision had been made on IRC that should have been done on the list.
> I
> >> believe this had been discussed to death on the list already (need to
> >> double check, very busy list) and a quick link to show that would
> >> definitely been helpful.
> >
> > That's a really good point. Here the agreement was that waf is the
> temporary solution to continue to use to get 4.0 release out. It's not an
> agreement on long term direction of CloudStack. Does it still count as a
> decision? I mean there's tons of these types of "decisions" made during the
> IRC? For example, who's going to help with what work. Todo lists being
> generated. Etc. Do these all count as decisions?
>
>
> As Noah stated, it's kind of a gray area and is something you'll likely need to
> adjust as you move forward, learn what works and doesn't, etc... A lot of it
> can depend exactly on how it's presented in the minutes/log. If it was
> presented more like:
>
> No one present has time to look at other options for RPM packaging right
> now so planning on sticking with waf for now.
>
> then it wouldn't have raised any red flags to me at all. That shows that its
> more of a "remain status quo" for now, but also allows others that were not
> on the irc chat to say "hey, I have some time, can I help out with that" or
> something. Keeps the door open. The "AGREED" wording just seems to
> imply "we're doing this, discussion closed" type thing which really isn't the
> case.
>
OK. That makes it very clear. Thanks, Daniel. I thought it might have just been the wording on that statement and it's good to get a confirmation.
--Alex
Re: Poll (was Re: IRC Meeting Times)
Posted by Daniel Kulp <dk...@apache.org>.
On Sep 10, 2012, at 12:32 PM, Alex Huang <Al...@citrix.com> wrote:
>> The main "Red Flag" to me was the line:
>>
>> AGREED: continue using waf to build rpm package (jlkinsel, 17:24:57)
>>
>> As soon as I saw "AGREED", a little red flag popped up in my head wondering
>> if a decision had been made on IRC that should have been done on the list. I
>> believe this had been discussed to death on the list already (need to double
>> check, very busy list) and a quick link to show that would definitely been
>> helpful.
>
> That's a really good point. Here the agreement was that waf is the temporary solution to continue to use to get 4.0 release out. It's not an agreement on long term direction of CloudStack. Does it still count as a decision? I mean there's tons of these types of "decisions" made during the IRC? For example, who's going to help with what work. Todo lists being generated. Etc. Do these all count as decisions?
As Noah stated, it's kind of a gray area and is something you'll likely need to adjust as you move forward, learn what works and doesn't, etc… A lot of it can depend exactly on how it's presented in the minutes/log. If it was presented more like:
No one present has time to look at other options for RPM packaging right now so planning on sticking with waf for now.
then it wouldn't have raised any red flags to me at all. That shows that its more of a "remain status quo" for now, but also allows others that were not on the irc chat to say "hey, I have some time, can I help out with that" or something. Keeps the door open. The "AGREED" wording just seems to imply "we're doing this, discussion closed" type thing which really isn't the case.
--
Daniel Kulp
dkulp@apache.org - http://dankulp.com/blog
Talend Community Coder - http://coders.talend.com
Re: Poll (was Re: IRC Meeting Times)
Posted by Noah Slater <ns...@tumbolia.org>.
There are no hard and fast rules. (Which makes it tricky to get right.)
The goal here is to make the project transparent (permanent mail archives,
posting IRC logs) and open (the most amount of people can contribute). The
problem with IRC is that usually works against those goals.
The logs sidestep that, partly. It would be better if you posted your logs
to the mailing list though. (So there is a permanent record of them.) The
wiki is good (at least it is on ASF infra) but I believe (and I may be
wrong) that the mailing list is preferred for conversational items.
The open thing is problematic. People must be able to interact with the
project via the mailing list. And they must be able to weigh in on topics,
and help to make decisions. We cannot put barriers up that exclude them.
(Either by choosing specific time to meet, or a specific location.) That's
why important (stress on "important") decisions must not be made on IRC.
So it comes down to a judgement call, I guess.
If you're sorting out task lists, and somebody is saying that they will do
X or Y, then that is obviously fine. But if you're deciding on features, or
tickets, or patches, then it should be brought to the mailing list. That
doesn't mean you can't talk about it on IRC. Or even come to a conclusion
on IRC. But it must be presented to the mailing list as the outcome of a
discussion which has been brought to the list.
Bad:
- Agreed we would not accept the patch on CLOUDSTACK-4566
Good:
- Concerns raised about CLOUDSTACK-4566, noted on the ticket
Another thing that might help is the distinction between a project decision
and a person decision. A project decision might start with "CloudStack will
not..." A personal decision might start with "I will..."
This is an important distinction, because most of the things committers
will be doing will be personal decisions. Whether to merge a patch, work on
a feature, and so on. For things like that, consider the principals of lazy
consensus and assent through silence. [1] That is, assume what you're about
to do is okay, announce it, and then do it. No need to *ask permission* for
stuff.
So, for your meetings. It's fine if you're reporting that people are
intending to DO stuff. But probably not too great if you are announcing
that project level decisions are being made. (Remember that project level
decisions might, in fact, include stuff like merging patches, or adding
features. While it is generally favourable to operate according to "it's
easier to ask for forgiveness than permission", sometimes commits, or
tickets, or whatever, will be challenged, and that's when it needs to come
to the lists.)
Sorry if this isn't as terse as you were hoping. It's a complex issue. We
struggled with it for years with CouchDB. It's more of an art than a
science. We actually have a collection of very active IRC channels. And we
discuss things frequently. But we will usually summarise what was
discussed, and lay out a plan of action for individual committers. (As
opposed to, for example, saying "CouchDB has decided to...")
Keep the goals in mind, and try to do the right thing.
[1] http://www.apache.org/foundation/voting.html
On Mon, Sep 10, 2012 at 5:32 PM, Alex Huang <Al...@citrix.com> wrote:
> > The main "Red Flag" to me was the line:
> >
> > AGREED: continue using waf to build rpm package (jlkinsel, 17:24:57)
> >
> > As soon as I saw "AGREED", a little red flag popped up in my head
> wondering
> > if a decision had been made on IRC that should have been done on the
> list. I
> > believe this had been discussed to death on the list already (need to
> double
> > check, very busy list) and a quick link to show that would definitely
> been
> > helpful.
>
> Daniel,
>
> That's a really good point. Here the agreement was that waf is the
> temporary solution to continue to use to get 4.0 release out. It's not an
> agreement on long term direction of CloudStack. Does it still count as a
> decision? I mean there's tons of these types of "decisions" made during
> the IRC? For example, who's going to help with what work. Todo lists
> being generated. Etc. Do these all count as decisions?
>
> --Alex
>
--
NS
RE: Poll (was Re: IRC Meeting Times)
Posted by Alex Huang <Al...@citrix.com>.
> The main "Red Flag" to me was the line:
>
> AGREED: continue using waf to build rpm package (jlkinsel, 17:24:57)
>
> As soon as I saw "AGREED", a little red flag popped up in my head wondering
> if a decision had been made on IRC that should have been done on the list. I
> believe this had been discussed to death on the list already (need to double
> check, very busy list) and a quick link to show that would definitely been
> helpful.
Daniel,
That's a really good point. Here the agreement was that waf is the temporary solution to continue to use to get 4.0 release out. It's not an agreement on long term direction of CloudStack. Does it still count as a decision? I mean there's tons of these types of "decisions" made during the IRC? For example, who's going to help with what work. Todo lists being generated. Etc. Do these all count as decisions?
--Alex
Re: Poll (was Re: IRC Meeting Times)
Posted by Daniel Kulp <dk...@apache.org>.
On Sep 8, 2012, at 12:37 PM, John Kinsella <jl...@stratosec.co> wrote:
> The minutes from each of the meetings so far have been posted to the dev list, and the minutes and full irc logs are in the wiki.
>
> https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/CLOUDSTACK/IRC+Meetings+%28Logs+and+Minutes%29
Reading through the minutes, can I make a suggestion:
It might be good to provide links from the bullets on the list to the related discussions in the mail archives so people can jump directly to the discussions. Filling in those links can also help make sure that discussions are started for anything that should have a discussion.
The main "Red Flag" to me was the line:
AGREED: continue using waf to build rpm package (jlkinsel, 17:24:57)
As soon as I saw "AGREED", a little red flag popped up in my head wondering if a decision had been made on IRC that should have been done on the list. I believe this had been discussed to death on the list already (need to double check, very busy list) and a quick link to show that would definitely been helpful.
Dan
>
> John
>
> On Sep 8, 2012, at 9:28 AM, Noah Slater <ns...@tumbolia.org>> wrote:
>
> Do you have a plan for posting minutes to the mailing lists?
>
> Holding meetings on IRC is fine, but important information, discussions,
> and decisions must me taken (or announced) on the mailing lists. It is
> important to have a permanent record of project progress. Both from a
> foundation perspective, legal perspective, and community perspective. (Not
> everyone who might wish to contribute can or wishes to use IRC.)
>
> On Fri, Sep 7, 2012 at 2:20 AM, Joe Brockmeier <jz...@zonker.net>> wrote:
>
> Argh. Link here:
>
> http://doodle.com/65avd6m2ppmea8rz
>
> On Thu, Sep 6, 2012, at 05:22 PM, Joe Brockmeier wrote:
> Poll here, please vote! I'll leave this up for a few days.
>
> Thanks,
>
> Joe
> --
> Joe Brockmeier
> jzb@zonker.net
> Twitter: @jzb
> http://www.dissociatedpress.net/
>
> --
> Joe Brockmeier
> jzb@zonker.net
> Twitter: @jzb
> http://www.dissociatedpress.net/
>
>
>
>
> --
> NS
>
> Stratosec<http://stratosec.co> - Secure Infrastructure as a Service
> o: 415.315.9385
> @johnlkinsella<http://twitter.com/johnlkinsella>
>
--
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dkulp@apache.org - http://dankulp.com/blog
Talend Community Coder - http://coders.talend.com
Re: Poll (was Re: IRC Meeting Times)
Posted by Mohammad Nour El-Din <no...@gmail.com>.
Good information John thanks :)
On Sat, Sep 8, 2012 at 6:37 PM, John Kinsella <jl...@stratosec.co> wrote:
> The minutes from each of the meetings so far have been posted to the dev list, and the minutes and full irc logs are in the wiki.
>
> https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/CLOUDSTACK/IRC+Meetings+%28Logs+and+Minutes%29
>
> John
>
> On Sep 8, 2012, at 9:28 AM, Noah Slater <ns...@tumbolia.org>> wrote:
>
> Do you have a plan for posting minutes to the mailing lists?
>
> Holding meetings on IRC is fine, but important information, discussions,
> and decisions must me taken (or announced) on the mailing lists. It is
> important to have a permanent record of project progress. Both from a
> foundation perspective, legal perspective, and community perspective. (Not
> everyone who might wish to contribute can or wishes to use IRC.)
>
> On Fri, Sep 7, 2012 at 2:20 AM, Joe Brockmeier <jz...@zonker.net>> wrote:
>
> Argh. Link here:
>
> http://doodle.com/65avd6m2ppmea8rz
>
> On Thu, Sep 6, 2012, at 05:22 PM, Joe Brockmeier wrote:
> Poll here, please vote! I'll leave this up for a few days.
>
> Thanks,
>
> Joe
> --
> Joe Brockmeier
> jzb@zonker.net
> Twitter: @jzb
> http://www.dissociatedpress.net/
>
> --
> Joe Brockmeier
> jzb@zonker.net
> Twitter: @jzb
> http://www.dissociatedpress.net/
>
>
>
>
> --
> NS
>
> Stratosec<http://stratosec.co> - Secure Infrastructure as a Service
> o: 415.315.9385
> @johnlkinsella<http://twitter.com/johnlkinsella>
>
--
Thanks
- Mohammad Nour
----
"Life is like riding a bicycle. To keep your balance you must keep moving"
- Albert Einstein
Re: Poll (was Re: IRC Meeting Times)
Posted by Noah Slater <ns...@tumbolia.org>.
Oh, this is fantastic. Thanks!
On Sat, Sep 8, 2012 at 5:37 PM, John Kinsella <jl...@stratosec.co> wrote:
> The minutes from each of the meetings so far have been posted to the dev
> list, and the minutes and full irc logs are in the wiki.
>
>
> https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/CLOUDSTACK/IRC+Meetings+%28Logs+and+Minutes%29
>
> John
>
> On Sep 8, 2012, at 9:28 AM, Noah Slater <nslater@tumbolia.org<mailto:
> nslater@tumbolia.org>> wrote:
>
> Do you have a plan for posting minutes to the mailing lists?
>
> Holding meetings on IRC is fine, but important information, discussions,
> and decisions must me taken (or announced) on the mailing lists. It is
> important to have a permanent record of project progress. Both from a
> foundation perspective, legal perspective, and community perspective. (Not
> everyone who might wish to contribute can or wishes to use IRC.)
>
> On Fri, Sep 7, 2012 at 2:20 AM, Joe Brockmeier <jzb@zonker.net<mailto:
> jzb@zonker.net>> wrote:
>
> Argh. Link here:
>
> http://doodle.com/65avd6m2ppmea8rz
>
> On Thu, Sep 6, 2012, at 05:22 PM, Joe Brockmeier wrote:
> Poll here, please vote! I'll leave this up for a few days.
>
> Thanks,
>
> Joe
> --
> Joe Brockmeier
> jzb@zonker.net
> Twitter: @jzb
> http://www.dissociatedpress.net/
>
> --
> Joe Brockmeier
> jzb@zonker.net
> Twitter: @jzb
> http://www.dissociatedpress.net/
>
>
>
>
> --
> NS
>
> Stratosec<http://stratosec.co> - Secure Infrastructure as a Service
> o: 415.315.9385
> @johnlkinsella<http://twitter.com/johnlkinsella>
>
>
--
NS
Re: Poll (was Re: IRC Meeting Times)
Posted by John Kinsella <jl...@stratosec.co>.
The minutes from each of the meetings so far have been posted to the dev list, and the minutes and full irc logs are in the wiki.
https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/CLOUDSTACK/IRC+Meetings+%28Logs+and+Minutes%29
John
On Sep 8, 2012, at 9:28 AM, Noah Slater <ns...@tumbolia.org>> wrote:
Do you have a plan for posting minutes to the mailing lists?
Holding meetings on IRC is fine, but important information, discussions,
and decisions must me taken (or announced) on the mailing lists. It is
important to have a permanent record of project progress. Both from a
foundation perspective, legal perspective, and community perspective. (Not
everyone who might wish to contribute can or wishes to use IRC.)
On Fri, Sep 7, 2012 at 2:20 AM, Joe Brockmeier <jz...@zonker.net>> wrote:
Argh. Link here:
http://doodle.com/65avd6m2ppmea8rz
On Thu, Sep 6, 2012, at 05:22 PM, Joe Brockmeier wrote:
Poll here, please vote! I'll leave this up for a few days.
Thanks,
Joe
--
Joe Brockmeier
jzb@zonker.net
Twitter: @jzb
http://www.dissociatedpress.net/
--
Joe Brockmeier
jzb@zonker.net
Twitter: @jzb
http://www.dissociatedpress.net/
--
NS
Stratosec<http://stratosec.co> - Secure Infrastructure as a Service
o: 415.315.9385
@johnlkinsella<http://twitter.com/johnlkinsella>
Re: Poll (was Re: IRC Meeting Times)
Posted by Noah Slater <ns...@tumbolia.org>.
Do you have a plan for posting minutes to the mailing lists?
Holding meetings on IRC is fine, but important information, discussions,
and decisions must me taken (or announced) on the mailing lists. It is
important to have a permanent record of project progress. Both from a
foundation perspective, legal perspective, and community perspective. (Not
everyone who might wish to contribute can or wishes to use IRC.)
On Fri, Sep 7, 2012 at 2:20 AM, Joe Brockmeier <jz...@zonker.net> wrote:
> Argh. Link here:
>
> http://doodle.com/65avd6m2ppmea8rz
>
> On Thu, Sep 6, 2012, at 05:22 PM, Joe Brockmeier wrote:
> > Poll here, please vote! I'll leave this up for a few days.
> >
> > Thanks,
> >
> > Joe
> > --
> > Joe Brockmeier
> > jzb@zonker.net
> > Twitter: @jzb
> > http://www.dissociatedpress.net/
>
> --
> Joe Brockmeier
> jzb@zonker.net
> Twitter: @jzb
> http://www.dissociatedpress.net/
>
--
NS
Re: Poll (was Re: IRC Meeting Times)
Posted by Joe Brockmeier <jz...@zonker.net>.
Argh. Link here:
http://doodle.com/65avd6m2ppmea8rz
On Thu, Sep 6, 2012, at 05:22 PM, Joe Brockmeier wrote:
> Poll here, please vote! I'll leave this up for a few days.
>
> Thanks,
>
> Joe
> --
> Joe Brockmeier
> jzb@zonker.net
> Twitter: @jzb
> http://www.dissociatedpress.net/
--
Joe Brockmeier
jzb@zonker.net
Twitter: @jzb
http://www.dissociatedpress.net/
Poll (was Re: IRC Meeting Times)
Posted by Joe Brockmeier <jz...@zonker.net>.
Poll here, please vote! I'll leave this up for a few days.
Thanks,
Joe
--
Joe Brockmeier
jzb@zonker.net
Twitter: @jzb
http://www.dissociatedpress.net/
Re: IRC Meeting Times
Posted by Joe Brockmeier <jz...@zonker.net>.
Thanks. We did initially to set the first time (Friday 19:00 UTC). I'll
go ahead and put up a doodle to get a consensus on times here.
On Thu, Sep 6, 2012, at 04:51 PM, Mohammad Nour El-Din wrote:
> Hi all
>
> Regardless the time to be used I believe it is better use something
> like Doodle, which I used in other Apache project communities and
> worked well for us.
>
> [1] http://doodle.com/
>
> On Thu, Sep 6, 2012 at 11:34 PM, Joe Brockmeier <jz...@zonker.net> wrote:
> > On Thu, Sep 6, 2012, at 04:21 PM, Wido den Hollander wrote:
> >> The reason I'm opting for 21:00 UTC is that it's after dinner.
> >
> > That's totally reasonable... but 21:00 UTC is 17:00 for folks on Eastern
> > time in the U.S., which is usually the end of the work day for folks who
> > actually clock out at 5. (Actually, it's 17:00 part of the year, 16:00
> > part of the year since UTC is constant but you have daylight savings to
> > figure in for many timezones.)
> >
> >> I'd not rotate times, as that will confuse people.
> >
> > I agree with this - but if we go with a single time, it's going to be
> > inconvenient for someone all of the time. So in that case, I guess we're
> > going to be stuck with deciding who gets stuck with an inconvenient time
> > all the time.
> > --
> > Joe Brockmeier
> > jzb@zonker.net
> > Twitter: @jzb
> > http://www.dissociatedpress.net/
>
>
>
> --
> Thanks
> - Mohammad Nour
> ----
> "Life is like riding a bicycle. To keep your balance you must keep
> moving"
> - Albert Einstein
--
Joe Brockmeier
jzb@zonker.net
Twitter: @jzb
http://www.dissociatedpress.net/
Re: IRC Meeting Times
Posted by Mohammad Nour El-Din <no...@gmail.com>.
Hi all
Regardless the time to be used I believe it is better use something
like Doodle, which I used in other Apache project communities and
worked well for us.
[1] http://doodle.com/
On Thu, Sep 6, 2012 at 11:34 PM, Joe Brockmeier <jz...@zonker.net> wrote:
> On Thu, Sep 6, 2012, at 04:21 PM, Wido den Hollander wrote:
>> The reason I'm opting for 21:00 UTC is that it's after dinner.
>
> That's totally reasonable... but 21:00 UTC is 17:00 for folks on Eastern
> time in the U.S., which is usually the end of the work day for folks who
> actually clock out at 5. (Actually, it's 17:00 part of the year, 16:00
> part of the year since UTC is constant but you have daylight savings to
> figure in for many timezones.)
>
>> I'd not rotate times, as that will confuse people.
>
> I agree with this - but if we go with a single time, it's going to be
> inconvenient for someone all of the time. So in that case, I guess we're
> going to be stuck with deciding who gets stuck with an inconvenient time
> all the time.
> --
> Joe Brockmeier
> jzb@zonker.net
> Twitter: @jzb
> http://www.dissociatedpress.net/
--
Thanks
- Mohammad Nour
----
"Life is like riding a bicycle. To keep your balance you must keep moving"
- Albert Einstein
Re: IRC Meeting Times
Posted by Joe Brockmeier <jz...@zonker.net>.
On Thu, Sep 6, 2012, at 04:21 PM, Wido den Hollander wrote:
> The reason I'm opting for 21:00 UTC is that it's after dinner.
That's totally reasonable... but 21:00 UTC is 17:00 for folks on Eastern
time in the U.S., which is usually the end of the work day for folks who
actually clock out at 5. (Actually, it's 17:00 part of the year, 16:00
part of the year since UTC is constant but you have daylight savings to
figure in for many timezones.)
> I'd not rotate times, as that will confuse people.
I agree with this - but if we go with a single time, it's going to be
inconvenient for someone all of the time. So in that case, I guess we're
going to be stuck with deciding who gets stuck with an inconvenient time
all the time.
--
Joe Brockmeier
jzb@zonker.net
Twitter: @jzb
http://www.dissociatedpress.net/
Re: IRC Meeting Times
Posted by Wido den Hollander <wi...@widodh.nl>.
On 09/06/2012 09:34 PM, Joe Brockmeier wrote:
> Hi all,
>
> Last week, Wido raised a good point - that Friday 19:00UTC was not
> working out for folks in Europe, as "that's normally the time when you
> start to attend to your social life." He proposed moving the meetings to
> Wednesdays or Thursdays, and at 21:00UTC instead.
>
> (That'd be 2 p.m. Pacific, 5 p.m. Eastern)
>
> Moving the meeting to Wednesday or Thursday, and alternating between
> 19:00 and 21:00 UTC seems reasonable to me. (Note - pick Wednesday *or*
> Thursday, please)
>
> Thoughts, comments, etc.?
>
The reason I'm opting for 21:00 UTC is that it's after dinner.
I think most Europeans leave the office somewhere between 17:00 and
18:00, drive home and get some dinner.
That makes 19:00 difficult for me. So 21:00 is a better time.
My preference goes to Wednesday as well for the reason Alex mentioned.
I'd not rotate times, as that will confuse people.
Wido