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Posted to dev@openoffice.apache.org by D Wiemers <dg...@hotmail.com> on 2012/09/23 18:34:50 UTC
Open Office Web Developer Tool
Hello,
My name is Daniel Wiemers. I have been using Open office for the last 6 months, and I love it! I wanted to tell you how much I like it, and thank you for the time and effort you have devoted in developing it.
Have you ever thought to make a web development tool like Microsoft Front Page? I think it would be a wonderful addition to Open Office, and many people would find it very useful as Front Page seems to have been left unfinished, convoluted, confusing, and frustrating. I think a lot of people would like to make basic web pages, maybe with some buttons, a background, videos, java, stuff like that, and I have found that finding good web development tools, even if you are willing to pay a lot of money for them, is not easy. I really like Open Office, and I find it easy to use and easy to learn. I think Open Office would be a great company to make a shareware web development tool, that is easy to use and easy to learn.
Thank you,
-Daniel
Re: Open Office Web Developer Tool
Posted by Peter Junge <pe...@gmx.org>.
NOTE: The original message was moderated. The author will likely not
receive the replies.
Peter
On 9/24/2012 3:07 AM, Raphael Bircher wrote:
> Hi
>
> This is not a general answare, it's my personal option only. First of
> all, I'm happy, that you like Apache OpenOffice. Thanks for using it,
> and thanks for your feedback.
>
> Now about the Web Development Tool. For my point of view a clear no.
> First, it's not realy the task of a Office Suite to create webpages. 2.
> There are other tools who are only focused on this. For Exemple
> BlueGriffon (Open Source) or Dreamweaver (Proprietary). 3. Only a verry
> small Userbase from the over all user base will use it. You need to
> know, this is not a easy feature. A compleet WYSIWYG Web Editor is a
> very complex programm, and compleet defferent from a Office Suite. This
> means, that we have to add a load of new code wich makes our software
> fat. This can not be our goal.
>
> To make a good program, you have to concentrate on one area. With a
> Office Suite we have allready a bit area. So I see no reason, why we
> should extend it. As said, this is my personal Option. Other people
> probabily have different points of views.
>
> Greetings Raphael
>
>
> Am 23.09.12 18:34, schrieb D Wiemers:
>> Hello,
>>
>> My name is Daniel Wiemers. I have been using Open office for the last 6 months, and I love it! I wanted to tell you how much I like it, and thank you for the time and effort you have devoted in developing it.
>>
>> Have you ever thought to make a web development tool like Microsoft Front Page? I think it would be a wonderful addition to Open Office, and many people would find it very useful as Front Page seems to have been left unfinished, convoluted, confusing, and frustrating. I think a lot of people would like to make basic web pages, maybe with some buttons, a background, videos, java, stuff like that, and I have found that finding good web development tools, even if you are willing to pay a lot of money for them, is not easy. I really like Open Office, and I find it easy to use and easy to learn. I think Open Office would be a great company to make a shareware web development tool, that is easy to use and easy to learn.
>>
>> Thank you,
>>
>>
>> -Daniel
>>
>
>
Re: Open Office Web Developer Tool
Posted by David McKay <dm...@btconnect.com>.
On 23/09/12 20:07, Raphael Bircher wrote:
> Hi
>
> This is not a general answare, it's my personal option only. First of
> all, I'm happy, that you like Apache OpenOffice. Thanks for using it,
> and thanks for your feedback.
>
> Now about the Web Development Tool. For my point of view a clear no.
> First, it's not realy the task of a Office Suite to create webpages. 2.
> There are other tools who are only focused on this. For Exemple
> BlueGriffon (Open Source) or Dreamweaver (Proprietary). 3. Only a verry
> small Userbase from the over all user base will use it. You need to
> know, this is not a easy feature. A compleet WYSIWYG Web Editor is a
> very complex programm, and compleet defferent from a Office Suite. This
> means, that we have to add a load of new code wich makes our software
> fat. This can not be our goal.
>
> To make a good program, you have to concentrate on one area. With a
> Office Suite we have allready a bit area. So I see no reason, why we
> should extend it. As said, this is my personal Option. Other people
> probabily have different points of views.
>
> Greetings Raphael
>
I agree 100%. We can't keep adding in everything that someone thinks
would be cool to include in AOO, such as project planning, DTP and the
other range of things we get asked about over at the forums. It is much
better to use a dedicated program for these tasks. Good open-source
tools already exist to satisfy these needs.
Dave.
> Am 23.09.12 18:34, schrieb D Wiemers:
>> Hello,
>>
>> My name is Daniel Wiemers. I have been using Open office for the last 6 months, and I love it! I wanted to tell you how much I like it, and thank you for the time and effort you have devoted in developing it.
>>
>> Have you ever thought to make a web development tool like Microsoft Front Page? I think it would be a wonderful addition to Open Office, and many people would find it very useful as Front Page seems to have been left unfinished, convoluted, confusing, and frustrating. I think a lot of people would like to make basic web pages, maybe with some buttons, a background, videos, java, stuff like that, and I have found that finding good web development tools, even if you are willing to pay a lot of money for them, is not easy. I really like Open Office, and I find it easy to use and easy to learn. I think Open Office would be a great company to make a shareware web development tool, that is easy to use and easy to learn.
>>
>> Thank you,
>>
>>
>> -Daniel
>>
>
Re: Open Office Web Developer Tool
Posted by Regina Henschel <rb...@t-online.de>.
Hi together,
Dennis E. Hamilton schrieb:
> There is a limited web development tool built into OpenOffice.
>
> It is called Writer/Web.
>
> You can see it in action by
>
> 1. Opening an HTML file in Writer, or 2. On the Apache OpenOffice
> Start Page, Choose Templates | New Document | HTML Document, or 3.
> Start a Writer document and save it as an HTML Document (which will
> switch to Writer/Web)
I would not use it for serious work. It has not been maintained since
many years. It changes the source text when saving and overwrites your
text. It cannot handle extern css-files.
>
> You can also save an HTML document as an HTML Template (.oht) file.
> This can be used as a starter template for creating HTML pages.
If you want to use this export, you should set the type to
OpenOffice.org Writer and the character set to UTF-8 in Tools > Options
> Load/Save > HTML Compatibility
You get a better (and valid) source text, if you use the XHTML export.
But unfortunately it transforms only very simple documents.
Kind regards
Regina
RE: Open Office Web Developer Tool
Posted by "Dennis E. Hamilton" <de...@acm.org>.
There is a limited web development tool built into OpenOffice.
It is called Writer/Web.
You can see it in action by
1. Opening an HTML file in Writer, or
2. On the Apache OpenOffice Start Page,
Choose Templates | New Document | HTML Document,
or
3. Start a Writer document and save it as an
HTML Document (which will switch to Writer/Web)
You can also save an HTML document as an HTML Template (.oht) file. This can be used as a starter template for creating HTML pages.
You can get a Web Browser preview when in Writer/Web.
What is not provided is an easy way to coordinate authoring with a web server -- you can access shared folders on web servers, but there is no integration of the kind provided by FrontPage and other products. There is no integration with FrontPage Extensions, WebDAV for site authoring, or with a version control system that is tied into a web site's page management.
I imagine there are plug-ins that could help with this, but I don't know that any are particularly well-developed.
- Dennis
PS: I still use FrontPage 2003, which is pretty stable although no longer under development. Microsoft's free Visual Web Developer Express versions will also coordinate with web servers. Interoperability with Front Page extensions does not coordinate with the Front Page Extensions check-out and check-in for coordinated source-control though. If FTP deployment works for you, that might work well enough.
-----Original Message-----
From: Raphael Bircher [mailto:r.bircher@gmx.ch]
Sent: Sunday, September 23, 2012 12:07
To: ooo-dev@incubator.apache.org
Subject: Re: Open Office Web Developer Tool
Hi
This is not a general answare, it's my personal option only. First of
all, I'm happy, that you like Apache OpenOffice. Thanks for using it,
and thanks for your feedback.
Now about the Web Development Tool. For my point of view a clear no.
First, it's not realy the task of a Office Suite to create webpages. 2.
There are other tools who are only focused on this. For Exemple
BlueGriffon (Open Source) or Dreamweaver (Proprietary). 3. Only a verry
small Userbase from the over all user base will use it. You need to
know, this is not a easy feature. A compleet WYSIWYG Web Editor is a
very complex programm, and compleet defferent from a Office Suite. This
means, that we have to add a load of new code wich makes our software
fat. This can not be our goal.
To make a good program, you have to concentrate on one area. With a
Office Suite we have allready a bit area. So I see no reason, why we
should extend it. As said, this is my personal Option. Other people
probabily have different points of views.
Greetings Raphael
Am 23.09.12 18:34, schrieb D Wiemers:
> Hello,
>
> My name is Daniel Wiemers. I have been using Open office for the last 6 months, and I love it! I wanted to tell you how much I like it, and thank you for the time and effort you have devoted in developing it.
>
> Have you ever thought to make a web development tool like Microsoft Front Page? I think it would be a wonderful addition to Open Office, and many people would find it very useful as Front Page seems to have been left unfinished, convoluted, confusing, and frustrating. I think a lot of people would like to make basic web pages, maybe with some buttons, a background, videos, java, stuff like that, and I have found that finding good web development tools, even if you are willing to pay a lot of money for them, is not easy. I really like Open Office, and I find it easy to use and easy to learn. I think Open Office would be a great company to make a shareware web development tool, that is easy to use and easy to learn.
>
> Thank you,
>
>
> -Daniel
>
--
My private Homepage: http://www.raphaelbircher.ch/
Re: Open Office Web Developer Tool
Posted by Raphael Bircher <r....@gmx.ch>.
Hi
This is not a general answare, it's my personal option only. First of
all, I'm happy, that you like Apache OpenOffice. Thanks for using it,
and thanks for your feedback.
Now about the Web Development Tool. For my point of view a clear no.
First, it's not realy the task of a Office Suite to create webpages. 2.
There are other tools who are only focused on this. For Exemple
BlueGriffon (Open Source) or Dreamweaver (Proprietary). 3. Only a verry
small Userbase from the over all user base will use it. You need to
know, this is not a easy feature. A compleet WYSIWYG Web Editor is a
very complex programm, and compleet defferent from a Office Suite. This
means, that we have to add a load of new code wich makes our software
fat. This can not be our goal.
To make a good program, you have to concentrate on one area. With a
Office Suite we have allready a bit area. So I see no reason, why we
should extend it. As said, this is my personal Option. Other people
probabily have different points of views.
Greetings Raphael
Am 23.09.12 18:34, schrieb D Wiemers:
> Hello,
>
> My name is Daniel Wiemers. I have been using Open office for the last 6 months, and I love it! I wanted to tell you how much I like it, and thank you for the time and effort you have devoted in developing it.
>
> Have you ever thought to make a web development tool like Microsoft Front Page? I think it would be a wonderful addition to Open Office, and many people would find it very useful as Front Page seems to have been left unfinished, convoluted, confusing, and frustrating. I think a lot of people would like to make basic web pages, maybe with some buttons, a background, videos, java, stuff like that, and I have found that finding good web development tools, even if you are willing to pay a lot of money for them, is not easy. I really like Open Office, and I find it easy to use and easy to learn. I think Open Office would be a great company to make a shareware web development tool, that is easy to use and easy to learn.
>
> Thank you,
>
>
> -Daniel
>
--
My private Homepage: http://www.raphaelbircher.ch/
Re: Open Office Web Developer Tool
Posted by Alexandro Colorado <jz...@oooes.org>.
On 9/23/12, D Wiemers <dg...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>
> Hello,
>
> My name is Daniel Wiemers. I have been using Open office for the last 6
> months, and I love it! I wanted to tell you how much I like it, and thank
> you for the time and effort you have devoted in developing it.
>
> Have you ever thought to make a web development tool like Microsoft
> Front Page? I think it would be a wonderful addition to Open Office, and
> many people would find it very useful as Front Page seems to have been left
> unfinished, convoluted, confusing, and frustrating. I think a lot of people
> would like to make basic web pages, maybe with some buttons, a background,
> videos, java, stuff like that, and I have found that finding good web
> development tools, even if you are willing to pay a lot of money for them,
> is not easy. I really like Open Office, and I find it easy to use and easy
> to learn. I think Open Office would be a great company to make a shareware
> web development tool, that is easy to use and easy to learn.
>
> Thank you,
>
>
> -Daniel
>
There are some core challenges in achieving this from the way the OOo
is builted. One of the biggest issues is thte old HTML4 rendering
engine as well as Javascript. Is pretty outdated and a major update
should be done for these engine.
Then is also the logic which is adding a better support for
Javascript, CSS. Right now Writer (which is the base for Web) uses
some Javascrpt. you can add Javascript to the OOWriter document. But
is simply a very simple editor dialog which is less than impressive.
Finally there is the project view, which involves more than one file.
This would require OO to read folders and files to be able to 'speak'
to the server. Right now all this functionality is provided by a
sister project at Sun (back in the days) called NetBeans.
--
Alexandro Colorado
PPMC Apache OpenOffice
http://es.openoffice.org