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Posted to dev@jmeter.apache.org by Philippe Mouawad <pm...@apache.org> on 2019/09/24 19:01:54 UTC
About modernity of our mailing list and its impact on the project
Hello,
The current configuration of the user mailing list:
- Need to subscribe in a not very simple way (
https://jmeter.apache.org/mail.html)
- Images and attachments forbidden making very frequently the question
unusable and requiring user to use a 3rd party service to attach his
documents
tends IMO to lower its use in favor of more modern and user friendly
solutions:
- stackoverflow
- jmeter google group
- jmeter slack
Do you think:
- that's something that could be improved ?
- it impacts our image and our brand ?
- we can/should do something about it ?
Regards
Philippe
Re: About modernity of our mailing list and its impact on the project
Posted by Philippe Mouawad <ph...@gmail.com>.
On Monday, April 13, 2020, Vladimir Sitnikov <si...@gmail.com>
wrote:
> Philippe>I don't know. But AFAIK, every time people attach files or
> screenshot to
> Philippe>our mailing list and we get nothing, so we need to ask again and
> use 3rd
> Philippe>parties
>
> The lack of images is indeed painful for JMeter.
>
> Vladimir>Can attachments be allowed
>
> Here's a case when they ask INFRA to enable attachments:
> https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/INFRA-18262
> So it looks like it is doable. Should we ask the same?
yes IMO
>
> PS. Debian is considering to use Discourse for debian-users@...:
> https://lists.debian.org/debian-project/2020/04/msg00074.html
>
> Philippe>Would JIRA be better, I find ASF one very very slow.
>
> I'm using ASF JIRA for Apache Calcite, and it works more-or-less OK.
> Direct URLs open fast. Search performance is acceptable.
>
> Which cases are slow in JIRA in your experience?
I use httpcomponents JIRA and every time I find it rather slow.
If we migrate will we lose bugzilla history?
>
> Vladimir
>
--
Cordialement.
Philippe Mouawad.
Re: About modernity of our mailing list and its impact on the project
Posted by Vladimir Sitnikov <si...@gmail.com>.
Philippe>I don't know. But AFAIK, every time people attach files or
screenshot to
Philippe>our mailing list and we get nothing, so we need to ask again and
use 3rd
Philippe>parties
The lack of images is indeed painful for JMeter.
Vladimir>Can attachments be allowed
Here's a case when they ask INFRA to enable attachments:
https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/INFRA-18262
So it looks like it is doable. Should we ask the same?
PS. Debian is considering to use Discourse for debian-users@...:
https://lists.debian.org/debian-project/2020/04/msg00074.html
Philippe>Would JIRA be better, I find ASF one very very slow.
I'm using ASF JIRA for Apache Calcite, and it works more-or-less OK.
Direct URLs open fast. Search performance is acceptable.
Which cases are slow in JIRA in your experience?
Vladimir
Re: About modernity of our mailing list and its impact on the project
Posted by Philippe Mouawad <pm...@apache.org>.
On Tue, Sep 24, 2019 at 9:34 PM Vladimir Sitnikov <
sitnikov.vladimir@gmail.com> wrote:
> >- Need to subscribe in a not very simple way
>
> It might be a reasonable price.
> Remember, you can't ask a question on StackOverflow without registration.
>
Yes but registration on SO is very usual, registration to mailing list is
less usual nowadays.
I've seen many junior developers fail registering, because as usual, the 2
pages are not read :-)
So as a first step, maybe we can make it less verbose and only have 1 page
instead of 2.
But it's not the main problem
>
> > - Images and attachments forbidden making very frequently the question
> > unusable and requiring user to use a 3rd party service to attach his
> > documents
>
> Can attachments be allowed?
>
I don't know. But AFAIK, every time people attach files or screenshot to
our mailing list and we get nothing, so we need to ask again and use 3rd
parties
>
> Here's my recent mail to dev@maven.apache.org that includes an attachment:
>
> https://lists.apache.org/thread.html/a613ac8884e857208b5ac1dda288c8c43c03631edd4aabd58236a20d@%3Cdev.maven.apache.org%3E
>
> >- that's something that could be improved ?
>
> I don't see how Google Group would improve things.
> StackOverflow seems to be already there.
>
Well looking at traffic, it seems it does.
You can attach images, files and registration is done through your G.
account.
>
> Slack requires registration on a "per group" level, and it does not sound
> to be very productive to have a separate window for JMeter slack.
> Most of the times it would be closed as I already have 7 other Slack
> windows.
> It might be not completely related, but I would say that Bugzilla is kind
> of odd.
> In my experience, 99% of the cases I use Bugzilla are related to JMeter.
> It does allow to attach images/files, however the UI is kind of weird,
> there's no preview for images, and the formatting for messages is not
> there.
>
It's true it looks old, but it does the job .
Would JIRA be better, I find ASF one very very slow.
>
> On the other hand, issue tracker is not a place for asking questions.
>
Yes and we always direct to mailing list.
>
> >jmeter google group
>
> I don't see how Google Group would improve things.
>
>
> Vladimir
>
Re: About modernity of our mailing list and its impact on the project
Posted by Vladimir Sitnikov <si...@gmail.com>.
>- Need to subscribe in a not very simple way
It might be a reasonable price.
Remember, you can't ask a question on StackOverflow without registration.
> - Images and attachments forbidden making very frequently the question
> unusable and requiring user to use a 3rd party service to attach his
> documents
Can attachments be allowed?
Here's my recent mail to dev@maven.apache.org that includes an attachment:
https://lists.apache.org/thread.html/a613ac8884e857208b5ac1dda288c8c43c03631edd4aabd58236a20d@%3Cdev.maven.apache.org%3E
>- that's something that could be improved ?
I don't see how Google Group would improve things.
StackOverflow seems to be already there.
Slack requires registration on a "per group" level, and it does not sound
to be very productive to have a separate window for JMeter slack.
Most of the times it would be closed as I already have 7 other Slack
windows.
It might be not completely related, but I would say that Bugzilla is kind
of odd.
In my experience, 99% of the cases I use Bugzilla are related to JMeter.
It does allow to attach images/files, however the UI is kind of weird,
there's no preview for images, and the formatting for messages is not there.
On the other hand, issue tracker is not a place for asking questions.
>jmeter google group
I don't see how Google Group would improve things.
Vladimir