devs do what we can (Was: A 0.8 release? (was Re: [Proposal] rollback))

[David Crossley <cr...@apache.org>]

Ross Gardler wrote:
> I am making no cuts and no inline comments, it would be a crime to mess 
> with the message Diwaker is sending here. Thank you, Diwaker, you are 
> right on target.
> 
> Ross
> 
> ----------------------------------------
> Diwaker Gupta wrote:
> >>No offense to anyone but if somebody wants to release 0.8 as -
> >>refactored sitemaps to utilise locationmap, then we (or better this
> >>somebody) has to put some more work into it. It cannot be that we expect
> >>from the usual suspects that they now as well put more work into that
> >>part of forrest.
> >>
> >>Actually that is the point, why you only? Refactoring the sitemaps can
> >>be done by *all* committers. There is no secrets to it.
> >
> >I think this remark carries some negative connotation that bothers me.
> >I will try to be concise and objective in my statements so as to avoid
> >any confusion.
> >
> >I started using Forrest because it was a cool tool that fit my needs
> >perfectly. In using it I found some things that I needed that weren't
> >there and were not hard to fix, so I sent in the occasional patch.  I
> >like living on the bleeding edge of cool software, so when views were
> >out I was quick to put them to test and I really liked the concept.
> >
> >With every project, there comes a time when the project sort of comes
> >of age. I think Forrest is nearing that time now. There are a lot of
> >ideas, discussions, community building up -- Forrest is trying to
> >define itself, which is fantastic. But like all good things, it will
> >take its time. I try to follow the discussions as and when I can, and
> >put in my thoughts if I have something to add. Otherwise I'm happy to
> >watch.
> >
> >I don't use Forrest at work. I don't get money out of Forrest related
> >work. For me, the only interest in Forrest is personal. I try and
> >contribute when I have the time and motivation, and it doesn't help if
> >I feel there is some 'pressure' or 'expection' when I don't.
> >
> >Like Ross said, this is open source. If someone has a itch, they
> >scratch it. At the same time however, for any good and large open
> >source project to succeed it usually takes more than a passing
> >interest and commitment on the part of atleast some of the developers.
> >Typically (there are always exceptions) people who have a more
> >concrete interest (work related, for instance) in the product will be
> >the stewards of large changes and I think that works out well.
> >
> >While I really appreciate all the hard work everyone puts into
> >Forrest, getting negative vibes about the "other" developers not
> >putting in enough effort doesn't help the project or the community.
> >People do what they want to do, and the community recognizes them for
> >it. If I am unable to contribute as much as the next developer, I
> >don't want to be judged for it, nor want other developers to feel bad
> >about it.
> >
> >I have great respect for the work that people are doing here, but I
> >feel bad if they think of themselves as the "usual suspects".
> >
> >Just my 2c.
> >--
> >Web/Blog/Gallery: floatingsun.net
> >
> >

Re: devs do what we can (Was: A 0.8 release? (was Re: [Proposal] rollback))

[David Crossley <cr...@apache.org>]

You are correct. People need to do the work if they
have the energy to initiate a release. Other people
will follow and help. Same in every open source project.
And no-one needs to feel guilty for not helping.
When it happens it happens. If not then we will continue
on until the momentum gains.

-David

Ross Gardler wrote:
> I am making no cuts and no inline comments, it would be a crime to mess 
> with the message Diwaker is sending here. Thank you, Diwaker, you are 
> right on target.
> 
> Ross
> 
> ----------------------------------------
> Diwaker Gupta wrote:
> >>No offense to anyone but if somebody wants to release 0.8 as -
> >>refactored sitemaps to utilise locationmap, then we (or better this
> >>somebody) has to put some more work into it. It cannot be that we expect
> >>from the usual suspects that they now as well put more work into that
> >>part of forrest.
> >>
> >>Actually that is the point, why you only? Refactoring the sitemaps can
> >>be done by *all* committers. There is no secrets to it.
> >
> >I think this remark carries some negative connotation that bothers me.
> >I will try to be concise and objective in my statements so as to avoid
> >any confusion.
> >
> >I started using Forrest because it was a cool tool that fit my needs
> >perfectly. In using it I found some things that I needed that weren't
> >there and were not hard to fix, so I sent in the occasional patch.  I
> >like living on the bleeding edge of cool software, so when views were
> >out I was quick to put them to test and I really liked the concept.
> >
> >With every project, there comes a time when the project sort of comes
> >of age. I think Forrest is nearing that time now. There are a lot of
> >ideas, discussions, community building up -- Forrest is trying to
> >define itself, which is fantastic. But like all good things, it will
> >take its time. I try to follow the discussions as and when I can, and
> >put in my thoughts if I have something to add. Otherwise I'm happy to
> >watch.
> >
> >I don't use Forrest at work. I don't get money out of Forrest related
> >work. For me, the only interest in Forrest is personal. I try and
> >contribute when I have the time and motivation, and it doesn't help if
> >I feel there is some 'pressure' or 'expection' when I don't.
> >
> >Like Ross said, this is open source. If someone has a itch, they
> >scratch it. At the same time however, for any good and large open
> >source project to succeed it usually takes more than a passing
> >interest and commitment on the part of atleast some of the developers.
> >Typically (there are always exceptions) people who have a more
> >concrete interest (work related, for instance) in the product will be
> >the stewards of large changes and I think that works out well.
> >
> >While I really appreciate all the hard work everyone puts into
> >Forrest, getting negative vibes about the "other" developers not
> >putting in enough effort doesn't help the project or the community.
> >People do what they want to do, and the community recognizes them for
> >it. If I am unable to contribute as much as the next developer, I
> >don't want to be judged for it, nor want other developers to feel bad
> >about it.
> >
> >I have great respect for the work that people are doing here, but I
> >feel bad if they think of themselves as the "usual suspects".
> >
> >Just my 2c.
> >--
> >Web/Blog/Gallery: floatingsun.net
> >
> >