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Thoughts on Covid19
Hi,
I'm taking this opportunity to speak to this "streaming first" and
"datadriven" community to try to do a little brainstorming. I'm not
trying to create any panic, I'd like to start a serious discussion about
solving a problem. I'm well aware this is not the primary use-case for
this mailing list, but we are in a sort of special situation. I think we
might share a know-how that might help people and so we could take
advantage of that. Currently, the biggest concern (at least in Europe)
seems to be separating people as much as possible. My questions would be:
- Can we try to think of ways to help people achieve better
separation? There are places people must go to (e.g. shopping food), can
we help planning this so that there are less peaks?
- Can we find any other ways to help prevent the virus spread? Or any
other benefits we can do for people (e.g. missing medical supplies,
missing work force, ...)
- Does anyone have any infrastructure or data that can be used for this?
- Would people be interested in investing some of their (hacking) time
to implement any "global" precaution(s)? IMO there seems to be no
"local" solution to this, currently.
These are only a few questions from the top of my head, please feel free
to add any thoughts.
Cheers,
Jan
Re: Thoughts on Covid19
Posted by Jan Lukavský <je...@seznam.cz>.
Just to clarify, all these are open questions to this community, it
would be great if we can first identify (solvable) problems, and then to
think of how we can scale them, because that is the biggest benefit of
us as developers.
On 3/18/20 11:48 PM, Jan Lukavský wrote:
>
> Hi Alex,
>
> great idea, thanks for that! Can we think of a solution that would be
> a little more scalable? Can we (e.g. via a mobile app) help connect
> people who need help with people who might offer help? Can we do this
> in reasonable time?
>
> On 3/18/20 11:42 PM, Alex Amato wrote:
>> Here is one thing many people could do:
>> - Contact your neighbors (leave a note on their door with your phone
>> number) and find out if anyone is high risk and does not want to risk
>> leaving their home. If you are lower risk and willing to go out.
>> Insist that you can help them and obtain supplies for them. Or help
>> them order online if they don't know how.
>> - If there are neighbours who live along, also give them your phone
>> number. Help keep track of them incase they get sick.
>>
>> More technical and farfetched idea:
>> - Building custom ventilators. In some locations they are already out
>> of respirators, and they will need more. You could donate these to a
>> hospital, though I am not sure if they would use them (but they might
>> be willing to if there is no other option).
>> There are a few blogs on how to build these from supplies available
>> in a crisis. A little bit of DIY knowhow and it may be possible to
>> build a few. Even a few low quality ventilators could save some
>> lives. Though, it may be possible there are more skilled people or
>> local shops already doing this. Helping them get supplies and funds
>> is another option.
>> https://www.instructables.com/id/The-Pandemic-Ventilator/
>>
>>
>>
>> On Wed, Mar 18, 2020 at 3:27 PM Jan Lukavský <je.ik@seznam.cz
>> <ma...@seznam.cz>> wrote:
>>
>> Hi,
>>
>> I'm taking this opportunity to speak to this "streaming first" and
>> "datadriven" community to try to do a little brainstorming. I'm not
>> trying to create any panic, I'd like to start a serious
>> discussion about
>> solving a problem. I'm well aware this is not the primary
>> use-case for
>> this mailing list, but we are in a sort of special situation. I
>> think we
>> might share a know-how that might help people and so we could take
>> advantage of that. Currently, the biggest concern (at least in
>> Europe)
>> seems to be separating people as much as possible. My questions
>> would be:
>>
>> - Can we try to think of ways to help people achieve better
>> separation? There are places people must go to (e.g. shopping
>> food), can
>> we help planning this so that there are less peaks?
>>
>> - Can we find any other ways to help prevent the virus spread?
>> Or any
>> other benefits we can do for people (e.g. missing medical supplies,
>> missing work force, ...)
>>
>> - Does anyone have any infrastructure or data that can be used
>> for this?
>>
>> - Would people be interested in investing some of their
>> (hacking) time
>> to implement any "global" precaution(s)? IMO there seems to be no
>> "local" solution to this, currently.
>>
>> These are only a few questions from the top of my head, please
>> feel free
>> to add any thoughts.
>>
>> Cheers,
>>
>> Jan
>>
Re: Thoughts on Covid19
Posted by Jan Lukavský <je...@seznam.cz>.
Hi,
I've put down a concrete proposal [1] for a data collection platform
that could help not with the current situation, but with what might
follow. I'd appreciate any feedback from this community, as I think here
are really many people that can give their insights regarding usability
of such a concept, data security, feasibility, etc. Note again that
purpose of this proposal is not to target on current situation, but to
enable "softer" variants of quarantines after the first wave is dealt
with (if needed and I'm not implying that).
Many thanks in advance for any comments,
Jan
[1]
https://docs.google.com/document/d/1HPRV1SriRd2v95r2I_MYcRkJgiLZs27wPuowigsmO70/edit?usp=sharing
On 3/19/20 9:19 AM, Jan Lukavský wrote:
>
> Cool, thanks for the link. I had in mind a maybe smaller and more
> focused team with a reasonably small and well defined problem to
> solve, but this might be also an option.
>
> On 3/19/20 1:45 AM, Valentyn Tymofieiev wrote:
>> Saw this website on HN today, where crowdsoursing of various ideas
>> is discussed :
>>
>> https://helpwithcovid.com/
>> https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=22615453
>>
>> On Wed, Mar 18, 2020 at 4:30 PM Seetharam Venkatesh
>> <venkatesh@innerzeal.com <ma...@innerzeal.com>> wrote:
>>
>> Can we not use NextDoor that already connects communities?
>>
>> On Wed, Mar 18, 2020 at 4:01 PM Alex Amato <ajamato@google.com
>> <ma...@google.com>> wrote:
>>
>> Well, you could try scaling it as an App to connect people. A
>> simple web architecture would be fastest to setup.
>>
>> But I think a lot of people won't be able to use an app, if
>> you had a phone number with some operators to collect their
>> information, then it could be possible to get those users
>> assistance.
>> There might be some privacy and security issues too around
>> taking and publishing people's information. So I am not too
>> sure how to navigate that.
>>
>> On Wed, Mar 18, 2020 at 3:48 PM Jan Lukavský <je.ik@seznam.cz
>> <ma...@seznam.cz>> wrote:
>>
>> Hi Alex,
>>
>> great idea, thanks for that! Can we think of a solution
>> that would be a little more scalable? Can we (e.g. via a
>> mobile app) help connect people who need help with people
>> who might offer help? Can we do this in reasonable time?
>>
>> On 3/18/20 11:42 PM, Alex Amato wrote:
>>> Here is one thing many people could do:
>>> - Contact your neighbors (leave a note on their door
>>> with your phone number) and find out if anyone is high
>>> risk and does not want to risk leaving their home. If
>>> you are lower risk and willing to go out. Insist that
>>> you can help them and obtain supplies for them. Or help
>>> them order online if they don't know how.
>>> - If there are neighbours who live along, also give them
>>> your phone number. Help keep track of them incase they
>>> get sick.
>>>
>>> More technical and farfetched idea:
>>> - Building custom ventilators. In some locations they
>>> are already out of respirators, and they will need more.
>>> You could donate these to a hospital, though I am not
>>> sure if they would use them (but they might be willing
>>> to if there is no other option).
>>> There are a few blogs on how to build these from
>>> supplies available in a crisis. A little bit of DIY
>>> knowhow and it may be possible to build a few. Even a
>>> few low quality ventilators could save some lives.
>>> Though, it may be possible there are more skilled people
>>> or local shops already doing this. Helping them get
>>> supplies and funds is another option.
>>> https://www.instructables.com/id/The-Pandemic-Ventilator/
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On Wed, Mar 18, 2020 at 3:27 PM Jan Lukavský
>>> <je.ik@seznam.cz <ma...@seznam.cz>> wrote:
>>>
>>> Hi,
>>>
>>> I'm taking this opportunity to speak to this
>>> "streaming first" and
>>> "datadriven" community to try to do a little
>>> brainstorming. I'm not
>>> trying to create any panic, I'd like to start a
>>> serious discussion about
>>> solving a problem. I'm well aware this is not the
>>> primary use-case for
>>> this mailing list, but we are in a sort of special
>>> situation. I think we
>>> might share a know-how that might help people and so
>>> we could take
>>> advantage of that. Currently, the biggest concern
>>> (at least in Europe)
>>> seems to be separating people as much as possible.
>>> My questions would be:
>>>
>>> - Can we try to think of ways to help people
>>> achieve better
>>> separation? There are places people must go to (e.g.
>>> shopping food), can
>>> we help planning this so that there are less peaks?
>>>
>>> - Can we find any other ways to help prevent the
>>> virus spread? Or any
>>> other benefits we can do for people (e.g. missing
>>> medical supplies,
>>> missing work force, ...)
>>>
>>> - Does anyone have any infrastructure or data that
>>> can be used for this?
>>>
>>> - Would people be interested in investing some of
>>> their (hacking) time
>>> to implement any "global" precaution(s)? IMO there
>>> seems to be no
>>> "local" solution to this, currently.
>>>
>>> These are only a few questions from the top of my
>>> head, please feel free
>>> to add any thoughts.
>>>
>>> Cheers,
>>>
>>> Jan
>>>
>> --
>> Regards,
>> Venkatesh
>>
>> “Perfection (in design) is achieved not when there is nothing
>> more to add, but rather when there is nothing more to take away.”
>> - Antoine de Saint-Exupéry
>>
Re: Thoughts on Covid19
Posted by Jan Lukavský <je...@seznam.cz>.
Cool, thanks for the link. I had in mind a maybe smaller and more
focused team with a reasonably small and well defined problem to solve,
but this might be also an option.
On 3/19/20 1:45 AM, Valentyn Tymofieiev wrote:
> Saw this website on HN today, where crowdsoursing of various ideas is
> discussed :
>
> https://helpwithcovid.com/
> https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=22615453
>
> On Wed, Mar 18, 2020 at 4:30 PM Seetharam Venkatesh
> <venkatesh@innerzeal.com <ma...@innerzeal.com>> wrote:
>
> Can we not use NextDoor that already connects communities?
>
> On Wed, Mar 18, 2020 at 4:01 PM Alex Amato <ajamato@google.com
> <ma...@google.com>> wrote:
>
> Well, you could try scaling it as an App to connect people. A
> simple web architecture would be fastest to setup.
>
> But I think a lot of people won't be able to use an app, if
> you had a phone number with some operators to collect their
> information, then it could be possible to get those users
> assistance.
> There might be some privacy and security issues too around
> taking and publishing people's information. So I am not too
> sure how to navigate that.
>
> On Wed, Mar 18, 2020 at 3:48 PM Jan Lukavský <je.ik@seznam.cz
> <ma...@seznam.cz>> wrote:
>
> Hi Alex,
>
> great idea, thanks for that! Can we think of a solution
> that would be a little more scalable? Can we (e.g. via a
> mobile app) help connect people who need help with people
> who might offer help? Can we do this in reasonable time?
>
> On 3/18/20 11:42 PM, Alex Amato wrote:
>> Here is one thing many people could do:
>> - Contact your neighbors (leave a note on their door with
>> your phone number) and find out if anyone is high risk
>> and does not want to risk leaving their home. If you are
>> lower risk and willing to go out. Insist that you can
>> help them and obtain supplies for them. Or help them
>> order online if they don't know how.
>> - If there are neighbours who live along, also give them
>> your phone number. Help keep track of them incase they
>> get sick.
>>
>> More technical and farfetched idea:
>> - Building custom ventilators. In some locations they are
>> already out of respirators, and they will need more. You
>> could donate these to a hospital, though I am not sure if
>> they would use them (but they might be willing to if
>> there is no other option).
>> There are a few blogs on how to build these from supplies
>> available in a crisis. A little bit of DIY knowhow and it
>> may be possible to build a few. Even a few low quality
>> ventilators could save some lives. Though, it may be
>> possible there are more skilled people or local shops
>> already doing this. Helping them get supplies and funds
>> is another option.
>> https://www.instructables.com/id/The-Pandemic-Ventilator/
>>
>>
>>
>> On Wed, Mar 18, 2020 at 3:27 PM Jan Lukavský
>> <je.ik@seznam.cz <ma...@seznam.cz>> wrote:
>>
>> Hi,
>>
>> I'm taking this opportunity to speak to this
>> "streaming first" and
>> "datadriven" community to try to do a little
>> brainstorming. I'm not
>> trying to create any panic, I'd like to start a
>> serious discussion about
>> solving a problem. I'm well aware this is not the
>> primary use-case for
>> this mailing list, but we are in a sort of special
>> situation. I think we
>> might share a know-how that might help people and so
>> we could take
>> advantage of that. Currently, the biggest concern (at
>> least in Europe)
>> seems to be separating people as much as possible. My
>> questions would be:
>>
>> - Can we try to think of ways to help people
>> achieve better
>> separation? There are places people must go to (e.g.
>> shopping food), can
>> we help planning this so that there are less peaks?
>>
>> - Can we find any other ways to help prevent the
>> virus spread? Or any
>> other benefits we can do for people (e.g. missing
>> medical supplies,
>> missing work force, ...)
>>
>> - Does anyone have any infrastructure or data that
>> can be used for this?
>>
>> - Would people be interested in investing some of
>> their (hacking) time
>> to implement any "global" precaution(s)? IMO there
>> seems to be no
>> "local" solution to this, currently.
>>
>> These are only a few questions from the top of my
>> head, please feel free
>> to add any thoughts.
>>
>> Cheers,
>>
>> Jan
>>
> --
> Regards,
> Venkatesh
>
> “Perfection (in design) is achieved not when there is nothing more
> to add, but rather when there is nothing more to take away.”
> - Antoine de Saint-Exupéry
>
Re: Thoughts on Covid19
Posted by Valentyn Tymofieiev <va...@google.com>.
Saw this website on HN today, where crowdsoursing of various ideas is
discussed :
https://helpwithcovid.com/
https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=22615453
On Wed, Mar 18, 2020 at 4:30 PM Seetharam Venkatesh <ve...@innerzeal.com>
wrote:
> Can we not use NextDoor that already connects communities?
>
> On Wed, Mar 18, 2020 at 4:01 PM Alex Amato <aj...@google.com> wrote:
>
>> Well, you could try scaling it as an App to connect people. A simple web
>> architecture would be fastest to setup.
>>
>> But I think a lot of people won't be able to use an app, if you had a
>> phone number with some operators to collect their information, then it
>> could be possible to get those users assistance.
>> There might be some privacy and security issues too around taking and
>> publishing people's information. So I am not too sure how to navigate that.
>>
>> On Wed, Mar 18, 2020 at 3:48 PM Jan Lukavský <je...@seznam.cz> wrote:
>>
>>> Hi Alex,
>>>
>>> great idea, thanks for that! Can we think of a solution that would be a
>>> little more scalable? Can we (e.g. via a mobile app) help connect people
>>> who need help with people who might offer help? Can we do this in
>>> reasonable time?
>>> On 3/18/20 11:42 PM, Alex Amato wrote:
>>>
>>> Here is one thing many people could do:
>>> - Contact your neighbors (leave a note on their door with your phone
>>> number) and find out if anyone is high risk and does not want to risk
>>> leaving their home. If you are lower risk and willing to go out. Insist
>>> that you can help them and obtain supplies for them. Or help them order
>>> online if they don't know how.
>>> - If there are neighbours who live along, also give them your phone
>>> number. Help keep track of them incase they get sick.
>>>
>>> More technical and farfetched idea:
>>> - Building custom ventilators. In some locations they are already out of
>>> respirators, and they will need more. You could donate these to a hospital,
>>> though I am not sure if they would use them (but they might be willing to
>>> if there is no other option).
>>> There are a few blogs on how to build these from supplies available in a
>>> crisis. A little bit of DIY knowhow and it may be possible to build a few.
>>> Even a few low quality ventilators could save some lives. Though, it may be
>>> possible there are more skilled people or local shops already doing this.
>>> Helping them get supplies and funds is another option.
>>> https://www.instructables.com/id/The-Pandemic-Ventilator/
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On Wed, Mar 18, 2020 at 3:27 PM Jan Lukavský <je...@seznam.cz> wrote:
>>>
>>>> Hi,
>>>>
>>>> I'm taking this opportunity to speak to this "streaming first" and
>>>> "datadriven" community to try to do a little brainstorming. I'm not
>>>> trying to create any panic, I'd like to start a serious discussion
>>>> about
>>>> solving a problem. I'm well aware this is not the primary use-case for
>>>> this mailing list, but we are in a sort of special situation. I think
>>>> we
>>>> might share a know-how that might help people and so we could take
>>>> advantage of that. Currently, the biggest concern (at least in Europe)
>>>> seems to be separating people as much as possible. My questions would
>>>> be:
>>>>
>>>> - Can we try to think of ways to help people achieve better
>>>> separation? There are places people must go to (e.g. shopping food),
>>>> can
>>>> we help planning this so that there are less peaks?
>>>>
>>>> - Can we find any other ways to help prevent the virus spread? Or any
>>>> other benefits we can do for people (e.g. missing medical supplies,
>>>> missing work force, ...)
>>>>
>>>> - Does anyone have any infrastructure or data that can be used for
>>>> this?
>>>>
>>>> - Would people be interested in investing some of their (hacking)
>>>> time
>>>> to implement any "global" precaution(s)? IMO there seems to be no
>>>> "local" solution to this, currently.
>>>>
>>>> These are only a few questions from the top of my head, please feel
>>>> free
>>>> to add any thoughts.
>>>>
>>>> Cheers,
>>>>
>>>> Jan
>>>>
>>>> --
> Regards,
> Venkatesh
>
> “Perfection (in design) is achieved not when there is nothing more to add,
> but rather when there is nothing more to take away.”
> - Antoine de Saint-Exupéry
>
Re: Thoughts on Covid19
Posted by Seetharam Venkatesh <ve...@innerzeal.com>.
Can we not use NextDoor that already connects communities?
On Wed, Mar 18, 2020 at 4:01 PM Alex Amato <aj...@google.com> wrote:
> Well, you could try scaling it as an App to connect people. A simple web
> architecture would be fastest to setup.
>
> But I think a lot of people won't be able to use an app, if you had a
> phone number with some operators to collect their information, then it
> could be possible to get those users assistance.
> There might be some privacy and security issues too around taking and
> publishing people's information. So I am not too sure how to navigate that.
>
> On Wed, Mar 18, 2020 at 3:48 PM Jan Lukavský <je...@seznam.cz> wrote:
>
>> Hi Alex,
>>
>> great idea, thanks for that! Can we think of a solution that would be a
>> little more scalable? Can we (e.g. via a mobile app) help connect people
>> who need help with people who might offer help? Can we do this in
>> reasonable time?
>> On 3/18/20 11:42 PM, Alex Amato wrote:
>>
>> Here is one thing many people could do:
>> - Contact your neighbors (leave a note on their door with your phone
>> number) and find out if anyone is high risk and does not want to risk
>> leaving their home. If you are lower risk and willing to go out. Insist
>> that you can help them and obtain supplies for them. Or help them order
>> online if they don't know how.
>> - If there are neighbours who live along, also give them your phone
>> number. Help keep track of them incase they get sick.
>>
>> More technical and farfetched idea:
>> - Building custom ventilators. In some locations they are already out of
>> respirators, and they will need more. You could donate these to a hospital,
>> though I am not sure if they would use them (but they might be willing to
>> if there is no other option).
>> There are a few blogs on how to build these from supplies available in a
>> crisis. A little bit of DIY knowhow and it may be possible to build a few.
>> Even a few low quality ventilators could save some lives. Though, it may be
>> possible there are more skilled people or local shops already doing this.
>> Helping them get supplies and funds is another option.
>> https://www.instructables.com/id/The-Pandemic-Ventilator/
>>
>>
>>
>> On Wed, Mar 18, 2020 at 3:27 PM Jan Lukavský <je...@seznam.cz> wrote:
>>
>>> Hi,
>>>
>>> I'm taking this opportunity to speak to this "streaming first" and
>>> "datadriven" community to try to do a little brainstorming. I'm not
>>> trying to create any panic, I'd like to start a serious discussion about
>>> solving a problem. I'm well aware this is not the primary use-case for
>>> this mailing list, but we are in a sort of special situation. I think we
>>> might share a know-how that might help people and so we could take
>>> advantage of that. Currently, the biggest concern (at least in Europe)
>>> seems to be separating people as much as possible. My questions would be:
>>>
>>> - Can we try to think of ways to help people achieve better
>>> separation? There are places people must go to (e.g. shopping food), can
>>> we help planning this so that there are less peaks?
>>>
>>> - Can we find any other ways to help prevent the virus spread? Or any
>>> other benefits we can do for people (e.g. missing medical supplies,
>>> missing work force, ...)
>>>
>>> - Does anyone have any infrastructure or data that can be used for
>>> this?
>>>
>>> - Would people be interested in investing some of their (hacking) time
>>> to implement any "global" precaution(s)? IMO there seems to be no
>>> "local" solution to this, currently.
>>>
>>> These are only a few questions from the top of my head, please feel free
>>> to add any thoughts.
>>>
>>> Cheers,
>>>
>>> Jan
>>>
>>> --
Regards,
Venkatesh
“Perfection (in design) is achieved not when there is nothing more to add,
but rather when there is nothing more to take away.”
- Antoine de Saint-Exupéry
Re: Thoughts on Covid19
Posted by Robert Burke <ro...@frantil.com>.
A tangent on the "build custom ventilators" suggestion: how they get
sterilized. Many of the materials for ad-hoc 3D printing can't be used for
medical purposes because they can't be sterilized properly, or aren't bio
compatible if the equipment needs to be implanted.
This thread tree covers a lot of it.
https://twitter.com/turzaak/status/1239544498553860096?s=19
Medical science is hard. Let's go distribute computation!
On Wed, Mar 18, 2020, 4:12 PM Jan Lukavský <je...@seznam.cz> wrote:
> There are questions regarding privacy that cannot be overlooked, yes. We
> still have to keep user data secure, but that doesn't have to necessarily
> be a blocker. I started this thread to collect exactly these suggestions
> and to brainstorm around the (hackathon based) solutions to that, if we
> need data from mobile operators, these *might* be possible to get, once we
> prove we can keep them secure and targeted only on single purpose. I'm
> pretty sure we have people on this mailing list capable of making this data
> accessible (e.g. I might be one of them).
> On 3/19/20 12:01 AM, Alex Amato wrote:
>
> Well, you could try scaling it as an App to connect people. A simple web
> architecture would be fastest to setup.
>
> But I think a lot of people won't be able to use an app, if you had a
> phone number with some operators to collect their information, then it
> could be possible to get those users assistance.
> There might be some privacy and security issues too around taking and
> publishing people's information. So I am not too sure how to navigate that.
>
> On Wed, Mar 18, 2020 at 3:48 PM Jan Lukavský <je...@seznam.cz> wrote:
>
>> Hi Alex,
>>
>> great idea, thanks for that! Can we think of a solution that would be a
>> little more scalable? Can we (e.g. via a mobile app) help connect people
>> who need help with people who might offer help? Can we do this in
>> reasonable time?
>> On 3/18/20 11:42 PM, Alex Amato wrote:
>>
>> Here is one thing many people could do:
>> - Contact your neighbors (leave a note on their door with your phone
>> number) and find out if anyone is high risk and does not want to risk
>> leaving their home. If you are lower risk and willing to go out. Insist
>> that you can help them and obtain supplies for them. Or help them order
>> online if they don't know how.
>> - If there are neighbours who live along, also give them your phone
>> number. Help keep track of them incase they get sick.
>>
>> More technical and farfetched idea:
>> - Building custom ventilators. In some locations they are already out of
>> respirators, and they will need more. You could donate these to a hospital,
>> though I am not sure if they would use them (but they might be willing to
>> if there is no other option).
>> There are a few blogs on how to build these from supplies available in a
>> crisis. A little bit of DIY knowhow and it may be possible to build a few.
>> Even a few low quality ventilators could save some lives. Though, it may be
>> possible there are more skilled people or local shops already doing this.
>> Helping them get supplies and funds is another option.
>> https://www.instructables.com/id/The-Pandemic-Ventilator/
>>
>>
>>
>> On Wed, Mar 18, 2020 at 3:27 PM Jan Lukavský <je...@seznam.cz> wrote:
>>
>>> Hi,
>>>
>>> I'm taking this opportunity to speak to this "streaming first" and
>>> "datadriven" community to try to do a little brainstorming. I'm not
>>> trying to create any panic, I'd like to start a serious discussion about
>>> solving a problem. I'm well aware this is not the primary use-case for
>>> this mailing list, but we are in a sort of special situation. I think we
>>> might share a know-how that might help people and so we could take
>>> advantage of that. Currently, the biggest concern (at least in Europe)
>>> seems to be separating people as much as possible. My questions would be:
>>>
>>> - Can we try to think of ways to help people achieve better
>>> separation? There are places people must go to (e.g. shopping food), can
>>> we help planning this so that there are less peaks?
>>>
>>> - Can we find any other ways to help prevent the virus spread? Or any
>>> other benefits we can do for people (e.g. missing medical supplies,
>>> missing work force, ...)
>>>
>>> - Does anyone have any infrastructure or data that can be used for
>>> this?
>>>
>>> - Would people be interested in investing some of their (hacking) time
>>> to implement any "global" precaution(s)? IMO there seems to be no
>>> "local" solution to this, currently.
>>>
>>> These are only a few questions from the top of my head, please feel free
>>> to add any thoughts.
>>>
>>> Cheers,
>>>
>>> Jan
>>>
>>>
Re: Thoughts on Covid19
Posted by Jan Lukavský <je...@seznam.cz>.
There are questions regarding privacy that cannot be overlooked, yes. We
still have to keep user data secure, but that doesn't have to
necessarily be a blocker. I started this thread to collect exactly these
suggestions and to brainstorm around the (hackathon based) solutions to
that, if we need data from mobile operators, these *might* be possible
to get, once we prove we can keep them secure and targeted only on
single purpose. I'm pretty sure we have people on this mailing list
capable of making this data accessible (e.g. I might be one of them).
On 3/19/20 12:01 AM, Alex Amato wrote:
> Well, you could try scaling it as an App to connect people. A simple
> web architecture would be fastest to setup.
>
> But I think a lot of people won't be able to use an app, if you had a
> phone number with some operators to collect their information, then it
> could be possible to get those users assistance.
> There might be some privacy and security issues too around taking and
> publishing people's information. So I am not too sure how to navigate
> that.
>
> On Wed, Mar 18, 2020 at 3:48 PM Jan Lukavský <je.ik@seznam.cz
> <ma...@seznam.cz>> wrote:
>
> Hi Alex,
>
> great idea, thanks for that! Can we think of a solution that would
> be a little more scalable? Can we (e.g. via a mobile app) help
> connect people who need help with people who might offer help? Can
> we do this in reasonable time?
>
> On 3/18/20 11:42 PM, Alex Amato wrote:
>> Here is one thing many people could do:
>> - Contact your neighbors (leave a note on their door with your
>> phone number) and find out if anyone is high risk and does not
>> want to risk leaving their home. If you are lower risk and
>> willing to go out. Insist that you can help them and obtain
>> supplies for them. Or help them order online if they don't know how.
>> - If there are neighbours who live along, also give them your
>> phone number. Help keep track of them incase they get sick.
>>
>> More technical and farfetched idea:
>> - Building custom ventilators. In some locations they are already
>> out of respirators, and they will need more. You could donate
>> these to a hospital, though I am not sure if they would use them
>> (but they might be willing to if there is no other option).
>> There are a few blogs on how to build these from supplies
>> available in a crisis. A little bit of DIY knowhow and it may be
>> possible to build a few. Even a few low quality ventilators could
>> save some lives. Though, it may be possible there are more
>> skilled people or local shops already doing this. Helping them
>> get supplies and funds is another option.
>> https://www.instructables.com/id/The-Pandemic-Ventilator/
>>
>>
>>
>> On Wed, Mar 18, 2020 at 3:27 PM Jan Lukavský <je.ik@seznam.cz
>> <ma...@seznam.cz>> wrote:
>>
>> Hi,
>>
>> I'm taking this opportunity to speak to this "streaming
>> first" and
>> "datadriven" community to try to do a little brainstorming.
>> I'm not
>> trying to create any panic, I'd like to start a serious
>> discussion about
>> solving a problem. I'm well aware this is not the primary
>> use-case for
>> this mailing list, but we are in a sort of special situation.
>> I think we
>> might share a know-how that might help people and so we could
>> take
>> advantage of that. Currently, the biggest concern (at least
>> in Europe)
>> seems to be separating people as much as possible. My
>> questions would be:
>>
>> - Can we try to think of ways to help people achieve better
>> separation? There are places people must go to (e.g. shopping
>> food), can
>> we help planning this so that there are less peaks?
>>
>> - Can we find any other ways to help prevent the virus
>> spread? Or any
>> other benefits we can do for people (e.g. missing medical
>> supplies,
>> missing work force, ...)
>>
>> - Does anyone have any infrastructure or data that can be
>> used for this?
>>
>> - Would people be interested in investing some of their
>> (hacking) time
>> to implement any "global" precaution(s)? IMO there seems to
>> be no
>> "local" solution to this, currently.
>>
>> These are only a few questions from the top of my head,
>> please feel free
>> to add any thoughts.
>>
>> Cheers,
>>
>> Jan
>>
Re: Thoughts on Covid19
Posted by Alex Amato <aj...@google.com>.
Well, you could try scaling it as an App to connect people. A simple web
architecture would be fastest to setup.
But I think a lot of people won't be able to use an app, if you had a phone
number with some operators to collect their information, then it could be
possible to get those users assistance.
There might be some privacy and security issues too around taking and
publishing people's information. So I am not too sure how to navigate that.
On Wed, Mar 18, 2020 at 3:48 PM Jan Lukavský <je...@seznam.cz> wrote:
> Hi Alex,
>
> great idea, thanks for that! Can we think of a solution that would be a
> little more scalable? Can we (e.g. via a mobile app) help connect people
> who need help with people who might offer help? Can we do this in
> reasonable time?
> On 3/18/20 11:42 PM, Alex Amato wrote:
>
> Here is one thing many people could do:
> - Contact your neighbors (leave a note on their door with your phone
> number) and find out if anyone is high risk and does not want to risk
> leaving their home. If you are lower risk and willing to go out. Insist
> that you can help them and obtain supplies for them. Or help them order
> online if they don't know how.
> - If there are neighbours who live along, also give them your phone
> number. Help keep track of them incase they get sick.
>
> More technical and farfetched idea:
> - Building custom ventilators. In some locations they are already out of
> respirators, and they will need more. You could donate these to a hospital,
> though I am not sure if they would use them (but they might be willing to
> if there is no other option).
> There are a few blogs on how to build these from supplies available in a
> crisis. A little bit of DIY knowhow and it may be possible to build a few.
> Even a few low quality ventilators could save some lives. Though, it may be
> possible there are more skilled people or local shops already doing this.
> Helping them get supplies and funds is another option.
> https://www.instructables.com/id/The-Pandemic-Ventilator/
>
>
>
> On Wed, Mar 18, 2020 at 3:27 PM Jan Lukavský <je...@seznam.cz> wrote:
>
>> Hi,
>>
>> I'm taking this opportunity to speak to this "streaming first" and
>> "datadriven" community to try to do a little brainstorming. I'm not
>> trying to create any panic, I'd like to start a serious discussion about
>> solving a problem. I'm well aware this is not the primary use-case for
>> this mailing list, but we are in a sort of special situation. I think we
>> might share a know-how that might help people and so we could take
>> advantage of that. Currently, the biggest concern (at least in Europe)
>> seems to be separating people as much as possible. My questions would be:
>>
>> - Can we try to think of ways to help people achieve better
>> separation? There are places people must go to (e.g. shopping food), can
>> we help planning this so that there are less peaks?
>>
>> - Can we find any other ways to help prevent the virus spread? Or any
>> other benefits we can do for people (e.g. missing medical supplies,
>> missing work force, ...)
>>
>> - Does anyone have any infrastructure or data that can be used for this?
>>
>> - Would people be interested in investing some of their (hacking) time
>> to implement any "global" precaution(s)? IMO there seems to be no
>> "local" solution to this, currently.
>>
>> These are only a few questions from the top of my head, please feel free
>> to add any thoughts.
>>
>> Cheers,
>>
>> Jan
>>
>>
Re: Thoughts on Covid19
Posted by Jan Lukavský <je...@seznam.cz>.
Hi Alex,
great idea, thanks for that! Can we think of a solution that would be a
little more scalable? Can we (e.g. via a mobile app) help connect people
who need help with people who might offer help? Can we do this in
reasonable time?
On 3/18/20 11:42 PM, Alex Amato wrote:
> Here is one thing many people could do:
> - Contact your neighbors (leave a note on their door with your phone
> number) and find out if anyone is high risk and does not want to risk
> leaving their home. If you are lower risk and willing to go out.
> Insist that you can help them and obtain supplies for them. Or help
> them order online if they don't know how.
> - If there are neighbours who live along, also give them your phone
> number. Help keep track of them incase they get sick.
>
> More technical and farfetched idea:
> - Building custom ventilators. In some locations they are already out
> of respirators, and they will need more. You could donate these to a
> hospital, though I am not sure if they would use them (but they might
> be willing to if there is no other option).
> There are a few blogs on how to build these from supplies available in
> a crisis. A little bit of DIY knowhow and it may be possible to build
> a few. Even a few low quality ventilators could save some lives.
> Though, it may be possible there are more skilled people or
> local shops already doing this. Helping them get supplies and funds is
> another option.
> https://www.instructables.com/id/The-Pandemic-Ventilator/
>
>
>
> On Wed, Mar 18, 2020 at 3:27 PM Jan Lukavský <je.ik@seznam.cz
> <ma...@seznam.cz>> wrote:
>
> Hi,
>
> I'm taking this opportunity to speak to this "streaming first" and
> "datadriven" community to try to do a little brainstorming. I'm not
> trying to create any panic, I'd like to start a serious discussion
> about
> solving a problem. I'm well aware this is not the primary use-case
> for
> this mailing list, but we are in a sort of special situation. I
> think we
> might share a know-how that might help people and so we could take
> advantage of that. Currently, the biggest concern (at least in
> Europe)
> seems to be separating people as much as possible. My questions
> would be:
>
> - Can we try to think of ways to help people achieve better
> separation? There are places people must go to (e.g. shopping
> food), can
> we help planning this so that there are less peaks?
>
> - Can we find any other ways to help prevent the virus spread?
> Or any
> other benefits we can do for people (e.g. missing medical supplies,
> missing work force, ...)
>
> - Does anyone have any infrastructure or data that can be used
> for this?
>
> - Would people be interested in investing some of their
> (hacking) time
> to implement any "global" precaution(s)? IMO there seems to be no
> "local" solution to this, currently.
>
> These are only a few questions from the top of my head, please
> feel free
> to add any thoughts.
>
> Cheers,
>
> Jan
>
Re: Thoughts on Covid19
Posted by Alex Amato <aj...@google.com>.
Here is one thing many people could do:
- Contact your neighbors (leave a note on their door with your phone
number) and find out if anyone is high risk and does not want to risk
leaving their home. If you are lower risk and willing to go out. Insist
that you can help them and obtain supplies for them. Or help them order
online if they don't know how.
- If there are neighbours who live along, also give them your phone number.
Help keep track of them incase they get sick.
More technical and farfetched idea:
- Building custom ventilators. In some locations they are already out of
respirators, and they will need more. You could donate these to a hospital,
though I am not sure if they would use them (but they might be willing to
if there is no other option).
There are a few blogs on how to build these from supplies available in a
crisis. A little bit of DIY knowhow and it may be possible to build a few.
Even a few low quality ventilators could save some lives. Though, it may be
possible there are more skilled people or local shops already doing this.
Helping them get supplies and funds is another option.
https://www.instructables.com/id/The-Pandemic-Ventilator/
On Wed, Mar 18, 2020 at 3:27 PM Jan Lukavský <je...@seznam.cz> wrote:
> Hi,
>
> I'm taking this opportunity to speak to this "streaming first" and
> "datadriven" community to try to do a little brainstorming. I'm not
> trying to create any panic, I'd like to start a serious discussion about
> solving a problem. I'm well aware this is not the primary use-case for
> this mailing list, but we are in a sort of special situation. I think we
> might share a know-how that might help people and so we could take
> advantage of that. Currently, the biggest concern (at least in Europe)
> seems to be separating people as much as possible. My questions would be:
>
> - Can we try to think of ways to help people achieve better
> separation? There are places people must go to (e.g. shopping food), can
> we help planning this so that there are less peaks?
>
> - Can we find any other ways to help prevent the virus spread? Or any
> other benefits we can do for people (e.g. missing medical supplies,
> missing work force, ...)
>
> - Does anyone have any infrastructure or data that can be used for this?
>
> - Would people be interested in investing some of their (hacking) time
> to implement any "global" precaution(s)? IMO there seems to be no
> "local" solution to this, currently.
>
> These are only a few questions from the top of my head, please feel free
> to add any thoughts.
>
> Cheers,
>
> Jan
>
>