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Posted to dev@activemq.apache.org by Gary Tully <ga...@gmail.com> on 2015/01/29 14:42:57 UTC
[DISCUSS] Have every committer on the PMC by default
In that way, committers that are interested in project management
duties can indicate same with their votes. Effectively self elect to
step up to the task.
What is the down side?
Re: [DISCUSS] Have every committer on the PMC by default
Posted by Daniel Kulp <dk...@apache.org>.
> On Jan 29, 2015, at 8:42 AM, Gary Tully <ga...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> In that way, committers that are interested in project management
> duties can indicate same with their votes. Effectively self elect to
> step up to the task.
>
> What is the down side?
The main thing I have seen with projects that go this route is that the bar to become a committer starts to go higher. Subconsciously, people start thinking that folks need to contribute more and show a longer commitment to the project before being voted in as a committer because that means those people would also be PMC members and be “responsible”. People wait longer to call votes. That can discourage people from getting involved.
Personally, I think we need to LOWER the bar to be a committer and avoid things that tend to raise it. Grant committership easily, then the PMC becomes a goal as the person sticks around and becomes more involved. Helps encourage them to do just that.
--
Daniel Kulp
dkulp@apache.org - http://dankulp.com/blog
Talend Community Coder - http://coders.talend.com
Re: [DISCUSS] Have every committer on the PMC by default
Posted by David Jencks <da...@yahoo.com.INVALID>.
James,
Don't name names, but are there any actual existing real-life amq committers who you think shouldn't be pmc members? My experience has been that many projects start out with this worry but eventually decide it is pointless and a waste of time…. sort of "if they can mess with the code, lets try to get them to do the extra work of being a pmc member" :-)
Given my rather minimal involvement in amq recently I'm not likely to formally vote but I'd be +1.
david jencks
On Jan 29, 2015, at 9:32 AM, James Carman <ja...@carmanconsulting.com> wrote:
> -1. Showing you have the technical chops to code (merit) != the
> ability to be a good steward and act on behalf of the foundation in
> order to manage the project effectively.
>
> On Thu, Jan 29, 2015 at 8:42 AM, Gary Tully <ga...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> In that way, committers that are interested in project management
>> duties can indicate same with their votes. Effectively self elect to
>> step up to the task.
>>
>> What is the down side?
Re: [DISCUSS] Have every committer on the PMC by default
Posted by James Carman <ja...@carmanconsulting.com>.
-1. Showing you have the technical chops to code (merit) != the
ability to be a good steward and act on behalf of the foundation in
order to manage the project effectively.
On Thu, Jan 29, 2015 at 8:42 AM, Gary Tully <ga...@gmail.com> wrote:
> In that way, committers that are interested in project management
> duties can indicate same with their votes. Effectively self elect to
> step up to the task.
>
> What is the down side?
Re: [DISCUSS] Have every committer on the PMC by default
Posted by Clebert Suconic <cl...@gmail.com>.
Active committers maybe?
With git anyone can be a committer anyways.
For instance, I have been doing a lot of work on activemq-6 and I'm
not part of the PMC. I have a pretty good knowledge on Messaging and I
think I would be a helpful hand on either activemq-5 or 6.
On Thu, Jan 29, 2015 at 10:52 AM, Jim Gomes <e....@gmail.com> wrote:
> I don't think every committer should be on the PMC by default. Not all may
> want that responsibility, and may not be ready for it, either. Lowering the
> bar to entry may be useful, but this seems too low.
>
> On Thu, Jan 29, 2015, 7:36 AM Hadrian Zbarcea <hz...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> They can indicate the same by doing whatever they want to do, nobody
>> stops them to self elect and do whatever they like, scratch an itch.
>> They prove that they understand the ASF values and they get voted in. I
>> am not ok with providing blanket binding votes in this community where
>> proper mentorship has been a problem. I do encourage however any
>> committer to be proactive and do all the management he's interested in.
>> I encourage any contributor to keep contributing, improve their skills,
>> and *their* project (activemq) and become, if they want, committers
>> (speaking of which, doesn't necessarily need to be only code, I got a
>> lot of complaints lately about documentation). They all got my full
>> support.
>>
>> -1 (binding)
>> Hadrian
>>
>>
>>
>> On 01/29/2015 08:42 AM, Gary Tully wrote:
>> > In that way, committers that are interested in project management
>> > duties can indicate same with their votes. Effectively self elect to
>> > step up to the task.
>> >
>> > What is the down side?
>>
>>
--
Clebert Suconic
http://community.jboss.org/people/clebert.suconic@jboss.com
http://clebertsuconic.blogspot.com
Re: [DISCUSS] Have every committer on the PMC by default
Posted by Jim Gomes <e....@gmail.com>.
I don't think every committer should be on the PMC by default. Not all may
want that responsibility, and may not be ready for it, either. Lowering the
bar to entry may be useful, but this seems too low.
On Thu, Jan 29, 2015, 7:36 AM Hadrian Zbarcea <hz...@gmail.com> wrote:
> They can indicate the same by doing whatever they want to do, nobody
> stops them to self elect and do whatever they like, scratch an itch.
> They prove that they understand the ASF values and they get voted in. I
> am not ok with providing blanket binding votes in this community where
> proper mentorship has been a problem. I do encourage however any
> committer to be proactive and do all the management he's interested in.
> I encourage any contributor to keep contributing, improve their skills,
> and *their* project (activemq) and become, if they want, committers
> (speaking of which, doesn't necessarily need to be only code, I got a
> lot of complaints lately about documentation). They all got my full
> support.
>
> -1 (binding)
> Hadrian
>
>
>
> On 01/29/2015 08:42 AM, Gary Tully wrote:
> > In that way, committers that are interested in project management
> > duties can indicate same with their votes. Effectively self elect to
> > step up to the task.
> >
> > What is the down side?
>
>
Re: [DISCUSS] Have every committer on the PMC by default
Posted by Hadrian Zbarcea <hz...@gmail.com>.
They can indicate the same by doing whatever they want to do, nobody
stops them to self elect and do whatever they like, scratch an itch.
They prove that they understand the ASF values and they get voted in. I
am not ok with providing blanket binding votes in this community where
proper mentorship has been a problem. I do encourage however any
committer to be proactive and do all the management he's interested in.
I encourage any contributor to keep contributing, improve their skills,
and *their* project (activemq) and become, if they want, committers
(speaking of which, doesn't necessarily need to be only code, I got a
lot of complaints lately about documentation). They all got my full support.
-1 (binding)
Hadrian
On 01/29/2015 08:42 AM, Gary Tully wrote:
> In that way, committers that are interested in project management
> duties can indicate same with their votes. Effectively self elect to
> step up to the task.
>
> What is the down side?