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Posted to dev@openoffice.apache.org by Kay Schenk <ka...@gmail.com> on 2012/09/23 19:14:28 UTC
[DISCUSS][WWW] maybe time for a home page facelift?
With our graduation coming up soon, it might be time for us to consider
a slight update to the user portal web site --
http://www.openoffice.org/ -- for this momentous occasion.
To this end, I've moved some entities to the "test" directory, and
updated robots.txt to not index this directory.
I've wanted to fix some of the styling for a while to deal with
horizontal placement issues, but I'm sure some of you have some ideas as
well.
Maybe a wiki page would be a good idea as well to present graphic
mockups of ideas.
So...get your creative juices flowing and let's see what we can do.
--
------------------------------------------------------------------------
MzK
"Just 'cause you got the monkey off your back
doesn't mean the circus has left town."
-- George Carlin
Re: [DISCUSS][WWW] maybe time for a home page facelift?
Posted by Kay Schenk <ka...@gmail.com>.
On 09/25/2012 09:55 PM, Kevin Grignon wrote:
> KG01 - See comments inline
>
> On Wed, Sep 26, 2012 at 6:47 AM, Dave Fisher <da...@comcast.net> wrote:
>
>>
>> On Sep 25, 2012, at 3:26 PM, Alexandro Colorado wrote:
>>
>>> Should we have a webdev list?
>>
>> We discussed using the tags [WWW] last year.
>>
>>>
>>> In the past we did had dedicated list for each line of the project. I
>>> am not sure this is something that should be discussed as the work on
>>> redesign start growing.
>>
>> Generally everything should be here.
>>
> KG01 - agreed
yes, no problem with this...
>
>>
>>>
>>> Some suggestions on the design of the site:
>>> - Show the product, currently there is nothing visual that relates the
>>> software with office productivity.
>>
>>
> KG01 - I think we should focus on content before we worry about styling or
> visual design. Please create a wiki page on cwiki to capture the proposed
> enhancements.
OK. I will do that. I wanted to see what others thought.
>
>
>
>
>> Perhaps we should setup an area in ooo-site where we can have a design
>> contest. Let me think about how to do that technically using the CMS.
>>
>> Kay - you should continue to with whatever efforts you have in mind with
>> the main page. What I am thinking about is redesigning the headers and
>> footers.
>>
>>> - Responsive design, mobile browsers, tablets and devices can have
>>> different dimensions on the site, having a RD conformant site could
>>> help our users browse through the site.
>>
>> Sure. I think the best strategy might be to use a common set of css tags
>> in device specific css files that can then be varied according to the
>> dimensions of the browser.
>>
>>> - Corporate theme, ViewVC, cWiki, Forum(?), Bugzilla have their own
>>> theme, should there be efforts to adopt the same design like the
>>> templates/extension/wiki site.
>>
>> The way the CMS works the templates used for the websites can be ported by
>> the sysadmins and teams in the Forum and mWiki. cWiki is harder. I'm sure
>> that SF can follow as well.
>>
>>> - Website QA - Possible broken pages due to the change in frameworks
>>> (from Oracle to Apache) on smaller projects.
>>
>> Download the source, discuss any errors, make the changes - JFDI.
>>
>> Regards,
>> Dave
>>
>>
>>>
>>> On 9/25/12, Kay Schenk <ka...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>> On Tue, Sep 25, 2012 at 1:09 PM, Rob Weir <ro...@apache.org> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> On Sun, Sep 23, 2012 at 1:14 PM, Kay Schenk <ka...@gmail.com>
>> wrote:
>>>>>> With our graduation coming up soon, it might be time for us to
>> consider
>>>>>> a
>>>>>> slight update to the user portal web site --
>>>>>> http://www.openoffice.org/--
>>>>>> for this momentous occasion.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> To this end, I've moved some entities to the "test" directory, and
>>>>> updated
>>>>>> robots.txt to not index this directory.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I've wanted to fix some of the styling for a while to deal with
>>>>> horizontal
>>>>>> placement issues, but I'm sure some of you have some ideas as well.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Maybe a wiki page would be a good idea as well to present graphic
>>>>> mockups of
>>>>>> ideas.
>>>>>>
>>
>
> KG01 - Yes, good idea. Actually, UX is setting up a virtual studio to show
> sketches, mockups and screen caps of ideas.
>
>
>>>>>
>>>>> Good topic to bring up.
>>>>>
>>>>> With graduation we'll have to think about changes to two websites.
>>>>> www.openoffice.org, of course. But also our project website, which
>>>>> will end up at openoffice.apache.org. The mailing lists will also
>>>>> update, e.g., ooo-dev@i.a.o --> dev@openoffice.apache.org. Our
>>>>> subversion tree changes as well. Ditto for Apache dist directory.
>>>>>
>>>>> So that leads to several sets of website changes:
>>>>>
>>>>> 1) Any rebranding we need/want to do, e.g. remove "incubator"
>>>>> disclaimer and references. There was talk at one point about
>>>>> refreshing the logo design at this time as well.
>>
>
> KG01 - Short term re-branding could remove the "incubation" reference. More
> broadly, we should style the site to reflect any updates to our branding.
>
>
>>>>>
>>>>> 2) Updating URL's, email list address, SVN and dist directory
>>>>> references. There may be others. This is pretty much a search &
>>>>> replace operation.
>>>>>
>>>>> 3) Any work to "freshen" the website UI. IMHO it is always a good
>>>>> time to improve the website ;-)
>>
>
> KG01 - Long term UI refresh, should be associated with any enhancement to
> our brand moving foward. 4.0 presents an opportunity to launch such a
> re-branding.
>
> KG01 - Who can lead a re-branding effort? Marketing? PMC? Thoughts?
>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> I wonder if it would be a good time to rethink the default font on the
>>>> website. Look at our plain text versus Mozilla's website, which uses
>>>> OpenSans (Apache 2.0 License):
>>>>
>>>> http://www.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/features/
>>>>
>>>> http://www.google.com/webfonts/specimen/Open+Sans
>>>>
>
> KG01 - Agree, nice font. Very legible onscreen.
>
>
>
>>>> To me this is much more legible than our current font (Liberation?)
>>>>
>>>
>>> I know we'll have quite a number of references to change after we
> graduate,
>>> and I thought we were planning on using the area where we have the Apache
>>> incubator icon for something else but I'd need to go look that up.
>>>
>>> re: fonts --- I'll need to investigate this. I didn't realize we had much
>>> of anything specified. hmmmm....
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>> Regards,
>>>>
>>>> -Rob
>>>>
>>>>> So...get your creative juices flowing and let's see what we can do.
>>>>> --
>>>>>
> ------------------------------------------------------------------------
>>>>> MzK
>>>>>
>>>>> "Just 'cause you got the monkey off your back
>>>>> doesn't mean the circus has left town."
>>>>> -- George Carlin
>>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> --
>>>
> ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
>>> MzK
>>>
>>> "Just 'cause you got the monkey off your back
>>> doesn't mean the circus has left town."
>>> -- George Carlin
>>>
>>
>>
>> --
>> Alexandro Colorado
>> PPMC Apache OpenOffice
>> http://es.openoffice.org
>
--
------------------------------------------------------------------------
MzK
"Just 'cause you got the monkey off your back
doesn't mean the circus has left town."
-- George Carlin
Re: [DISCUSS][WWW] maybe time for a home page facelift?
Posted by Kay Schenk <ka...@gmail.com>.
On 09/27/2012 07:22 PM, Dave Fisher wrote:
>
> On Sep 27, 2012, at 6:25 PM, Kevin Grignon wrote:
>
>> KG 02 - See comments inline.
>>
>> On Fri, Sep 28, 2012 at 5:12 AM, Kay Schenk <ka...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On 09/25/2012 09:55 PM, Kevin Grignon wrote:
>>>
>>>> KG01 - See comments inline
>>>>
>>>> On Wed, Sep 26, 2012 at 6:47 AM, Dave Fisher <da...@comcast.net>
>>>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>> On Sep 25, 2012, at 3:26 PM, Alexandro Colorado wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> Should we have a webdev list?
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> We discussed using the tags [WWW] last year.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>> In the past we did had dedicated list for each line of the project. I
>>>>>> am not sure this is something that should be discussed as the work on
>>>>>> redesign start growing.
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Generally everything should be here.
>>>>>
>>>>> KG01 - agreed
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>> Some suggestions on the design of the site:
>>>>>> - Show the product, currently there is nothing visual that relates the
>>>>>> software with office productivity.
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> KG01 - I think we should focus on content before we worry about styling
>>>> or
>>>> visual design. Please create a wiki page on cwiki to capture the proposed
>>>> enhancements.
>>>>
>>>
>>> OK, wiki page done...please see
>>>
>>> https://cwiki.apache.org/**confluence/x/WwPVAQ<https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/x/WwPVAQ>
>>>
>>> post comments, add items, etc...
>>>
>>> I didn't propose anything just raised some questions, and provided a
>>> marked up version of the home page with locational areas.
>>>
>>> KG02 - Good stuff. Thanks for getting this going.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Perhaps we should setup an area in ooo-site where we can have a design
>>>> contest. Let me think about how to do that technically using the CMS.
>>>>
>>>> Kay - you should continue to with whatever efforts you have in mind with
>>>> the main page. What I am thinking about is redesigning the headers and
>>>> footers.
>>>>
>>>> - Responsive design, mobile browsers, tablets and devices can have
>>>>> different dimensions on the site, having a RD conformant site could
>>>>> help our users browse through the site.
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Sure. I think the best strategy might be to use a common set of css tags
>>>> in device specific css files that can then be varied according to the
>>>> dimensions of the browser.
>>>>
>>>> - Corporate theme, ViewVC, cWiki, Forum(?), Bugzilla have their own
>>>>> theme, should there be efforts to adopt the same design like the
>>>>> templates/extension/wiki site.
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>> The way the CMS works the templates used for the websites can be ported by
>>>> the sysadmins and teams in the Forum and mWiki. cWiki is harder. I'm sure
>>>> that SF can follow as well.
>>>>
>>>> - Website QA - Possible broken pages due to the change in frameworks
>>>>> (from Oracle to Apache) on smaller projects.
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Download the source, discuss any errors, make the changes - JFDI.
>>>>
>>>> Regards,
>>>> Dave
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>> On 9/25/12, Kay Schenk <ka...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> On Tue, Sep 25, 2012 at 1:09 PM, Rob Weir <ro...@apache.org> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On Sun, Sep 23, 2012 at 1:14 PM, Kay Schenk <ka...@gmail.com>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> With our graduation coming up soon, it might be time for us to
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> consider
>>>>
>>>>> a
>>>>>>>> slight update to the user portal web site --
>>>>>>>> http://www.openoffice.org/--
>>>>>>>> for this momentous occasion.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> To this end, I've moved some entities to the "test" directory, and
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> updated
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> robots.txt to not index this directory.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> I've wanted to fix some of the styling for a while to deal with
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> horizontal
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> placement issues, but I'm sure some of you have some ideas as well.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Maybe a wiki page would be a good idea as well to present graphic
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> mockups of
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> ideas.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>
>>> KG01 - Yes, good idea. Actually, UX is setting up a virtual studio to show
>>> sketches, mockups and screen caps of ideas.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>>>>> Good topic to bring up.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> With graduation we'll have to think about changes to two websites.
>>>>>>> www.openoffice.org, of course. But also our project website, which
>>>>>>> will end up at openoffice.apache.org. The mailing lists will also
>>>>>>> update, e.g., ooo-dev@i.a.o --> dev@openoffice.apache.org. Our
>>>>>>> subversion tree changes as well. Ditto for Apache dist directory.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> So that leads to several sets of website changes:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> 1) Any rebranding we need/want to do, e.g. remove "incubator"
>>>>>>> disclaimer and references. There was talk at one point about
>>>>>>> refreshing the logo design at this time as well.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>
>>> KG01 - Short term re-branding could remove the "incubation" reference. More
>>> broadly, we should style the site to reflect any updates to our branding.
>
> For the website the words (incubating) are usually isolated to brand.mdtext files.
>
> Many of these have been localized.
>
> The incubator logo is referenced from a single place in the header template.
>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>>>>> 2) Updating URL's, email list address, SVN and dist directory
>>>>>>> references. There may be others. This is pretty much a search &
>>>>>>> replace operation.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> 3) Any work to "freshen" the website UI. IMHO it is always a good
>>>>>>> time to improve the website ;-)
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>
>>> KG01 - Long term UI refresh, should be associated with any enhancement to
>>> our brand moving foward. 4.0 presents an opportunity to launch such a
>>> re-branding.
>>>
>>> KG01 - Who can lead a re-branding effort? Marketing? PMC? Thoughts?
>
> The Apache Flex (incubating) held a logo contest and had over 50 entries. The selection was made via a multiphase voting method not too different from the PMC roster vote that Andrew just ran.
>
> Regards,
> Dave
OK...we would probably want to start a new thread on this topic.
And, Dave re your other comments. Yes, I will continue my rather minor
modifications to the home page in the interim, and post a separate
thread when I think it's ready.
>
>>>
>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I wonder if it would be a good time to rethink the default font on the
>>>>>> website. Look at our plain text versus Mozilla's website, which uses
>>>>>> OpenSans (Apache 2.0 License):
>>>>>>
>>>>>> http://www.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/features/
>>>>>>
>>>>>> http://www.google.com/webfonts/specimen/Open+Sans
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>> KG01 - Agree, nice font. Very legible onscreen.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> To me this is much more legible than our current font (Liberation?)
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>> I know we'll have quite a number of references to change after we
>>>>>
>>>> graduate,
>>>
>>>> and I thought we were planning on using the area where we have the Apache
>>>>> incubator icon for something else but I'd need to go look that up.
>>>>>
>>>>> re: fonts --- I'll need to investigate this. I didn't realize we had much
>>>>> of anything specified. hmmmm....
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Regards,
>>>>>>
>>>>>> -Rob
>>>>>>
>>>>>> So...get your creative juices flowing and let's see what we can do.
>>>>>>> --
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> ------------------------------------------------------------------------
>>>
>>>> MzK
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> "Just 'cause you got the monkey off your back
>>>>>>> doesn't mean the circus has left town."
>>>>>>> -- George Carlin
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> --
>>>>>
>>>>> ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
>>>
>>>> MzK
>>>>>
>>>>> "Just 'cause you got the monkey off your back
>>>>> doesn't mean the circus has left town."
>>>>> -- George Carlin
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>> --
>>>> Alexandro Colorado
>>>> PPMC Apache OpenOffice
>>>> http://es.openoffice.org
>>>>
>>>
>>>
>> --
>> ------------------------------------------------------------------------
>> MzK
>>
>> "Just 'cause you got the monkey off your back
>> doesn't mean the circus has left town."
>> -- George Carlin
>
--
------------------------------------------------------------------------
MzK
"Just 'cause you got the monkey off your back
doesn't mean the circus has left town."
-- George Carlin
Re: [DISCUSS][WWW] maybe time for a home page facelift?
Posted by Dave Fisher <da...@comcast.net>.
On Sep 27, 2012, at 6:25 PM, Kevin Grignon wrote:
> KG 02 - See comments inline.
>
> On Fri, Sep 28, 2012 at 5:12 AM, Kay Schenk <ka...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>>
>>
>> On 09/25/2012 09:55 PM, Kevin Grignon wrote:
>>
>>> KG01 - See comments inline
>>>
>>> On Wed, Sep 26, 2012 at 6:47 AM, Dave Fisher <da...@comcast.net>
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>>> On Sep 25, 2012, at 3:26 PM, Alexandro Colorado wrote:
>>>>
>>>> Should we have a webdev list?
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>> We discussed using the tags [WWW] last year.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>> In the past we did had dedicated list for each line of the project. I
>>>>> am not sure this is something that should be discussed as the work on
>>>>> redesign start growing.
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Generally everything should be here.
>>>>
>>>> KG01 - agreed
>>>
>>>
>>>>
>>>>> Some suggestions on the design of the site:
>>>>> - Show the product, currently there is nothing visual that relates the
>>>>> software with office productivity.
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> KG01 - I think we should focus on content before we worry about styling
>>> or
>>> visual design. Please create a wiki page on cwiki to capture the proposed
>>> enhancements.
>>>
>>
>> OK, wiki page done...please see
>>
>> https://cwiki.apache.org/**confluence/x/WwPVAQ<https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/x/WwPVAQ>
>>
>> post comments, add items, etc...
>>
>> I didn't propose anything just raised some questions, and provided a
>> marked up version of the home page with locational areas.
>>
>> KG02 - Good stuff. Thanks for getting this going.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> Perhaps we should setup an area in ooo-site where we can have a design
>>> contest. Let me think about how to do that technically using the CMS.
>>>
>>> Kay - you should continue to with whatever efforts you have in mind with
>>> the main page. What I am thinking about is redesigning the headers and
>>> footers.
>>>
>>> - Responsive design, mobile browsers, tablets and devices can have
>>>> different dimensions on the site, having a RD conformant site could
>>>> help our users browse through the site.
>>>>
>>>
>>> Sure. I think the best strategy might be to use a common set of css tags
>>> in device specific css files that can then be varied according to the
>>> dimensions of the browser.
>>>
>>> - Corporate theme, ViewVC, cWiki, Forum(?), Bugzilla have their own
>>>> theme, should there be efforts to adopt the same design like the
>>>> templates/extension/wiki site.
>>>>
>>>
>>> The way the CMS works the templates used for the websites can be ported by
>>> the sysadmins and teams in the Forum and mWiki. cWiki is harder. I'm sure
>>> that SF can follow as well.
>>>
>>> - Website QA - Possible broken pages due to the change in frameworks
>>>> (from Oracle to Apache) on smaller projects.
>>>>
>>>
>>> Download the source, discuss any errors, make the changes - JFDI.
>>>
>>> Regards,
>>> Dave
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>> On 9/25/12, Kay Schenk <ka...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> On Tue, Sep 25, 2012 at 1:09 PM, Rob Weir <ro...@apache.org> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> On Sun, Sep 23, 2012 at 1:14 PM, Kay Schenk <ka...@gmail.com>
>>>>>>
>>>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>> With our graduation coming up soon, it might be time for us to
>>>>>>>
>>>>>> consider
>>>
>>>> a
>>>>>>> slight update to the user portal web site --
>>>>>>> http://www.openoffice.org/--
>>>>>>> for this momentous occasion.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> To this end, I've moved some entities to the "test" directory, and
>>>>>>>
>>>>>> updated
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> robots.txt to not index this directory.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I've wanted to fix some of the styling for a while to deal with
>>>>>>>
>>>>>> horizontal
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> placement issues, but I'm sure some of you have some ideas as well.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Maybe a wiki page would be a good idea as well to present graphic
>>>>>>>
>>>>>> mockups of
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> ideas.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>
>> KG01 - Yes, good idea. Actually, UX is setting up a virtual studio to show
>> sketches, mockups and screen caps of ideas.
>>
>>
>>
>>>>>> Good topic to bring up.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> With graduation we'll have to think about changes to two websites.
>>>>>> www.openoffice.org, of course. But also our project website, which
>>>>>> will end up at openoffice.apache.org. The mailing lists will also
>>>>>> update, e.g., ooo-dev@i.a.o --> dev@openoffice.apache.org. Our
>>>>>> subversion tree changes as well. Ditto for Apache dist directory.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> So that leads to several sets of website changes:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> 1) Any rebranding we need/want to do, e.g. remove "incubator"
>>>>>> disclaimer and references. There was talk at one point about
>>>>>> refreshing the logo design at this time as well.
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>
>> KG01 - Short term re-branding could remove the "incubation" reference. More
>> broadly, we should style the site to reflect any updates to our branding.
For the website the words (incubating) are usually isolated to brand.mdtext files.
Many of these have been localized.
The incubator logo is referenced from a single place in the header template.
>>
>>
>>
>>>>>> 2) Updating URL's, email list address, SVN and dist directory
>>>>>> references. There may be others. This is pretty much a search &
>>>>>> replace operation.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> 3) Any work to "freshen" the website UI. IMHO it is always a good
>>>>>> time to improve the website ;-)
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>
>> KG01 - Long term UI refresh, should be associated with any enhancement to
>> our brand moving foward. 4.0 presents an opportunity to launch such a
>> re-branding.
>>
>> KG01 - Who can lead a re-branding effort? Marketing? PMC? Thoughts?
The Apache Flex (incubating) held a logo contest and had over 50 entries. The selection was made via a multiphase voting method not too different from the PMC roster vote that Andrew just ran.
Regards,
Dave
>>
>>
>>>>>
>>>>> I wonder if it would be a good time to rethink the default font on the
>>>>> website. Look at our plain text versus Mozilla's website, which uses
>>>>> OpenSans (Apache 2.0 License):
>>>>>
>>>>> http://www.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/features/
>>>>>
>>>>> http://www.google.com/webfonts/specimen/Open+Sans
>>>>>
>>>>>
>> KG01 - Agree, nice font. Very legible onscreen.
>>
>>
>>
>> To me this is much more legible than our current font (Liberation?)
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>> I know we'll have quite a number of references to change after we
>>>>
>>> graduate,
>>
>>> and I thought we were planning on using the area where we have the Apache
>>>> incubator icon for something else but I'd need to go look that up.
>>>>
>>>> re: fonts --- I'll need to investigate this. I didn't realize we had much
>>>> of anything specified. hmmmm....
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Regards,
>>>>>
>>>>> -Rob
>>>>>
>>>>> So...get your creative juices flowing and let's see what we can do.
>>>>>> --
>>>>>>
>>>>>> ------------------------------------------------------------------------
>>
>>> MzK
>>>>>>
>>>>>> "Just 'cause you got the monkey off your back
>>>>>> doesn't mean the circus has left town."
>>>>>> -- George Carlin
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> --
>>>>
>>>> ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
>>
>>> MzK
>>>>
>>>> "Just 'cause you got the monkey off your back
>>>> doesn't mean the circus has left town."
>>>> -- George Carlin
>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>> --
>>> Alexandro Colorado
>>> PPMC Apache OpenOffice
>>> http://es.openoffice.org
>>>
>>
>>
> --
> ------------------------------------------------------------------------
> MzK
>
> "Just 'cause you got the monkey off your back
> doesn't mean the circus has left town."
> -- George Carlin
Re: [DISCUSS][WWW] maybe time for a home page facelift?
Posted by Kevin Grignon <ke...@gmail.com>.
KG 02 - See comments inline.
On Fri, Sep 28, 2012 at 5:12 AM, Kay Schenk <ka...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>
> On 09/25/2012 09:55 PM, Kevin Grignon wrote:
>
>> KG01 - See comments inline
>>
>> On Wed, Sep 26, 2012 at 6:47 AM, Dave Fisher <da...@comcast.net>
>> wrote:
>>
>>
>>> On Sep 25, 2012, at 3:26 PM, Alexandro Colorado wrote:
>>>
>>> Should we have a webdev list?
>>>>
>>>
>>> We discussed using the tags [WWW] last year.
>>>
>>>
>>>> In the past we did had dedicated list for each line of the project. I
>>>> am not sure this is something that should be discussed as the work on
>>>> redesign start growing.
>>>>
>>>
>>> Generally everything should be here.
>>>
>>> KG01 - agreed
>>
>>
>>>
>>>> Some suggestions on the design of the site:
>>>> - Show the product, currently there is nothing visual that relates the
>>>> software with office productivity.
>>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> KG01 - I think we should focus on content before we worry about styling
>> or
>> visual design. Please create a wiki page on cwiki to capture the proposed
>> enhancements.
>>
>
> OK, wiki page done...please see
>
> https://cwiki.apache.org/**confluence/x/WwPVAQ<https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/x/WwPVAQ>
>
> post comments, add items, etc...
>
> I didn't propose anything just raised some questions, and provided a
> marked up version of the home page with locational areas.
>
> KG02 - Good stuff. Thanks for getting this going.
>
>
>
>
>
> Perhaps we should setup an area in ooo-site where we can have a design
>> contest. Let me think about how to do that technically using the CMS.
>>
>> Kay - you should continue to with whatever efforts you have in mind with
>> the main page. What I am thinking about is redesigning the headers and
>> footers.
>>
>> - Responsive design, mobile browsers, tablets and devices can have
>>> different dimensions on the site, having a RD conformant site could
>>> help our users browse through the site.
>>>
>>
>> Sure. I think the best strategy might be to use a common set of css tags
>> in device specific css files that can then be varied according to the
>> dimensions of the browser.
>>
>> - Corporate theme, ViewVC, cWiki, Forum(?), Bugzilla have their own
>>> theme, should there be efforts to adopt the same design like the
>>> templates/extension/wiki site.
>>>
>>
>> The way the CMS works the templates used for the websites can be ported by
>> the sysadmins and teams in the Forum and mWiki. cWiki is harder. I'm sure
>> that SF can follow as well.
>>
>> - Website QA - Possible broken pages due to the change in frameworks
>>> (from Oracle to Apache) on smaller projects.
>>>
>>
>> Download the source, discuss any errors, make the changes - JFDI.
>>
>> Regards,
>> Dave
>>
>>
>>
>>> On 9/25/12, Kay Schenk <ka...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>> On Tue, Sep 25, 2012 at 1:09 PM, Rob Weir <ro...@apache.org> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> On Sun, Sep 23, 2012 at 1:14 PM, Kay Schenk <ka...@gmail.com>
>>>>>
>>>> wrote:
>>
>>> With our graduation coming up soon, it might be time for us to
>>>>>>
>>>>> consider
>>
>>> a
>>>>>> slight update to the user portal web site --
>>>>>> http://www.openoffice.org/--
>>>>>> for this momentous occasion.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> To this end, I've moved some entities to the "test" directory, and
>>>>>>
>>>>> updated
>>>>>
>>>>>> robots.txt to not index this directory.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I've wanted to fix some of the styling for a while to deal with
>>>>>>
>>>>> horizontal
>>>>>
>>>>>> placement issues, but I'm sure some of you have some ideas as well.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Maybe a wiki page would be a good idea as well to present graphic
>>>>>>
>>>>> mockups of
>>>>>
>>>>>> ideas.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>
> KG01 - Yes, good idea. Actually, UX is setting up a virtual studio to show
> sketches, mockups and screen caps of ideas.
>
>
>
>>>>> Good topic to bring up.
>>>>>
>>>>> With graduation we'll have to think about changes to two websites.
>>>>> www.openoffice.org, of course. But also our project website, which
>>>>> will end up at openoffice.apache.org. The mailing lists will also
>>>>> update, e.g., ooo-dev@i.a.o --> dev@openoffice.apache.org. Our
>>>>> subversion tree changes as well. Ditto for Apache dist directory.
>>>>>
>>>>> So that leads to several sets of website changes:
>>>>>
>>>>> 1) Any rebranding we need/want to do, e.g. remove "incubator"
>>>>> disclaimer and references. There was talk at one point about
>>>>> refreshing the logo design at this time as well.
>>>>>
>>>>
>>
> KG01 - Short term re-branding could remove the "incubation" reference. More
> broadly, we should style the site to reflect any updates to our branding.
>
>
>
>>>>> 2) Updating URL's, email list address, SVN and dist directory
>>>>> references. There may be others. This is pretty much a search &
>>>>> replace operation.
>>>>>
>>>>> 3) Any work to "freshen" the website UI. IMHO it is always a good
>>>>> time to improve the website ;-)
>>>>>
>>>>
>>
> KG01 - Long term UI refresh, should be associated with any enhancement to
> our brand moving foward. 4.0 presents an opportunity to launch such a
> re-branding.
>
> KG01 - Who can lead a re-branding effort? Marketing? PMC? Thoughts?
>
>
>>>>
>>>> I wonder if it would be a good time to rethink the default font on the
>>>> website. Look at our plain text versus Mozilla's website, which uses
>>>> OpenSans (Apache 2.0 License):
>>>>
>>>> http://www.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/features/
>>>>
>>>> http://www.google.com/webfonts/specimen/Open+Sans
>>>>
>>>>
> KG01 - Agree, nice font. Very legible onscreen.
>
>
>
> To me this is much more legible than our current font (Liberation?)
>>>>
>>>>
>>> I know we'll have quite a number of references to change after we
>>>
>> graduate,
>
>> and I thought we were planning on using the area where we have the Apache
>>> incubator icon for something else but I'd need to go look that up.
>>>
>>> re: fonts --- I'll need to investigate this. I didn't realize we had much
>>> of anything specified. hmmmm....
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Regards,
>>>>
>>>> -Rob
>>>>
>>>> So...get your creative juices flowing and let's see what we can do.
>>>>> --
>>>>>
>>>>> ------------------------------------------------------------------------
>
>> MzK
>>>>>
>>>>> "Just 'cause you got the monkey off your back
>>>>> doesn't mean the circus has left town."
>>>>> -- George Carlin
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> --
>>>
>>> ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
>
>> MzK
>>>
>>> "Just 'cause you got the monkey off your back
>>> doesn't mean the circus has left town."
>>> -- George Carlin
>>>
>>>
>>
>> --
>> Alexandro Colorado
>> PPMC Apache OpenOffice
>> http://es.openoffice.org
>>
>
>
--
------------------------------------------------------------------------
MzK
"Just 'cause you got the monkey off your back
doesn't mean the circus has left town."
-- George Carlin
Re: [DISCUSS][WWW] maybe time for a home page facelift?
Posted by Kay Schenk <ka...@gmail.com>.
On 09/25/2012 09:55 PM, Kevin Grignon wrote:
> KG01 - See comments inline
>
> On Wed, Sep 26, 2012 at 6:47 AM, Dave Fisher <da...@comcast.net> wrote:
>
>>
>> On Sep 25, 2012, at 3:26 PM, Alexandro Colorado wrote:
>>
>>> Should we have a webdev list?
>>
>> We discussed using the tags [WWW] last year.
>>
>>>
>>> In the past we did had dedicated list for each line of the project. I
>>> am not sure this is something that should be discussed as the work on
>>> redesign start growing.
>>
>> Generally everything should be here.
>>
> KG01 - agreed
>
>>
>>>
>>> Some suggestions on the design of the site:
>>> - Show the product, currently there is nothing visual that relates the
>>> software with office productivity.
>>
>>
> KG01 - I think we should focus on content before we worry about styling or
> visual design. Please create a wiki page on cwiki to capture the proposed
> enhancements.
OK, wiki page done...please see
https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/x/WwPVAQ
post comments, add items, etc...
I didn't propose anything just raised some questions, and provided a
marked up version of the home page with locational areas.
>
>
>
>
>> Perhaps we should setup an area in ooo-site where we can have a design
>> contest. Let me think about how to do that technically using the CMS.
>>
>> Kay - you should continue to with whatever efforts you have in mind with
>> the main page. What I am thinking about is redesigning the headers and
>> footers.
>>
>>> - Responsive design, mobile browsers, tablets and devices can have
>>> different dimensions on the site, having a RD conformant site could
>>> help our users browse through the site.
>>
>> Sure. I think the best strategy might be to use a common set of css tags
>> in device specific css files that can then be varied according to the
>> dimensions of the browser.
>>
>>> - Corporate theme, ViewVC, cWiki, Forum(?), Bugzilla have their own
>>> theme, should there be efforts to adopt the same design like the
>>> templates/extension/wiki site.
>>
>> The way the CMS works the templates used for the websites can be ported by
>> the sysadmins and teams in the Forum and mWiki. cWiki is harder. I'm sure
>> that SF can follow as well.
>>
>>> - Website QA - Possible broken pages due to the change in frameworks
>>> (from Oracle to Apache) on smaller projects.
>>
>> Download the source, discuss any errors, make the changes - JFDI.
>>
>> Regards,
>> Dave
>>
>>
>>>
>>> On 9/25/12, Kay Schenk <ka...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>> On Tue, Sep 25, 2012 at 1:09 PM, Rob Weir <ro...@apache.org> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> On Sun, Sep 23, 2012 at 1:14 PM, Kay Schenk <ka...@gmail.com>
>> wrote:
>>>>>> With our graduation coming up soon, it might be time for us to
>> consider
>>>>>> a
>>>>>> slight update to the user portal web site --
>>>>>> http://www.openoffice.org/--
>>>>>> for this momentous occasion.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> To this end, I've moved some entities to the "test" directory, and
>>>>> updated
>>>>>> robots.txt to not index this directory.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I've wanted to fix some of the styling for a while to deal with
>>>>> horizontal
>>>>>> placement issues, but I'm sure some of you have some ideas as well.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Maybe a wiki page would be a good idea as well to present graphic
>>>>> mockups of
>>>>>> ideas.
>>>>>>
>>
>
> KG01 - Yes, good idea. Actually, UX is setting up a virtual studio to show
> sketches, mockups and screen caps of ideas.
>
>
>>>>>
>>>>> Good topic to bring up.
>>>>>
>>>>> With graduation we'll have to think about changes to two websites.
>>>>> www.openoffice.org, of course. But also our project website, which
>>>>> will end up at openoffice.apache.org. The mailing lists will also
>>>>> update, e.g., ooo-dev@i.a.o --> dev@openoffice.apache.org. Our
>>>>> subversion tree changes as well. Ditto for Apache dist directory.
>>>>>
>>>>> So that leads to several sets of website changes:
>>>>>
>>>>> 1) Any rebranding we need/want to do, e.g. remove "incubator"
>>>>> disclaimer and references. There was talk at one point about
>>>>> refreshing the logo design at this time as well.
>>
>
> KG01 - Short term re-branding could remove the "incubation" reference. More
> broadly, we should style the site to reflect any updates to our branding.
>
>
>>>>>
>>>>> 2) Updating URL's, email list address, SVN and dist directory
>>>>> references. There may be others. This is pretty much a search &
>>>>> replace operation.
>>>>>
>>>>> 3) Any work to "freshen" the website UI. IMHO it is always a good
>>>>> time to improve the website ;-)
>>
>
> KG01 - Long term UI refresh, should be associated with any enhancement to
> our brand moving foward. 4.0 presents an opportunity to launch such a
> re-branding.
>
> KG01 - Who can lead a re-branding effort? Marketing? PMC? Thoughts?
>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> I wonder if it would be a good time to rethink the default font on the
>>>> website. Look at our plain text versus Mozilla's website, which uses
>>>> OpenSans (Apache 2.0 License):
>>>>
>>>> http://www.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/features/
>>>>
>>>> http://www.google.com/webfonts/specimen/Open+Sans
>>>>
>
> KG01 - Agree, nice font. Very legible onscreen.
>
>
>
>>>> To me this is much more legible than our current font (Liberation?)
>>>>
>>>
>>> I know we'll have quite a number of references to change after we
> graduate,
>>> and I thought we were planning on using the area where we have the Apache
>>> incubator icon for something else but I'd need to go look that up.
>>>
>>> re: fonts --- I'll need to investigate this. I didn't realize we had much
>>> of anything specified. hmmmm....
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>> Regards,
>>>>
>>>> -Rob
>>>>
>>>>> So...get your creative juices flowing and let's see what we can do.
>>>>> --
>>>>>
> ------------------------------------------------------------------------
>>>>> MzK
>>>>>
>>>>> "Just 'cause you got the monkey off your back
>>>>> doesn't mean the circus has left town."
>>>>> -- George Carlin
>>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> --
>>>
> ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
>>> MzK
>>>
>>> "Just 'cause you got the monkey off your back
>>> doesn't mean the circus has left town."
>>> -- George Carlin
>>>
>>
>>
>> --
>> Alexandro Colorado
>> PPMC Apache OpenOffice
>> http://es.openoffice.org
>
--
------------------------------------------------------------------------
MzK
"Just 'cause you got the monkey off your back
doesn't mean the circus has left town."
-- George Carlin
Re: [DISCUSS][WWW] maybe time for a home page facelift?
Posted by Kevin Grignon <ke...@gmail.com>.
KG01 - See comments inline
On Wed, Sep 26, 2012 at 6:47 AM, Dave Fisher <da...@comcast.net> wrote:
>
> On Sep 25, 2012, at 3:26 PM, Alexandro Colorado wrote:
>
> > Should we have a webdev list?
>
> We discussed using the tags [WWW] last year.
>
> >
> > In the past we did had dedicated list for each line of the project. I
> > am not sure this is something that should be discussed as the work on
> > redesign start growing.
>
> Generally everything should be here.
>
KG01 - agreed
>
> >
> > Some suggestions on the design of the site:
> > - Show the product, currently there is nothing visual that relates the
> > software with office productivity.
>
>
KG01 - I think we should focus on content before we worry about styling or
visual design. Please create a wiki page on cwiki to capture the proposed
enhancements.
> Perhaps we should setup an area in ooo-site where we can have a design
> contest. Let me think about how to do that technically using the CMS.
>
> Kay - you should continue to with whatever efforts you have in mind with
> the main page. What I am thinking about is redesigning the headers and
> footers.
>
> > - Responsive design, mobile browsers, tablets and devices can have
> > different dimensions on the site, having a RD conformant site could
> > help our users browse through the site.
>
> Sure. I think the best strategy might be to use a common set of css tags
> in device specific css files that can then be varied according to the
> dimensions of the browser.
>
> > - Corporate theme, ViewVC, cWiki, Forum(?), Bugzilla have their own
> > theme, should there be efforts to adopt the same design like the
> > templates/extension/wiki site.
>
> The way the CMS works the templates used for the websites can be ported by
> the sysadmins and teams in the Forum and mWiki. cWiki is harder. I'm sure
> that SF can follow as well.
>
> > - Website QA - Possible broken pages due to the change in frameworks
> > (from Oracle to Apache) on smaller projects.
>
> Download the source, discuss any errors, make the changes - JFDI.
>
> Regards,
> Dave
>
>
> >
> > On 9/25/12, Kay Schenk <ka...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >> On Tue, Sep 25, 2012 at 1:09 PM, Rob Weir <ro...@apache.org> wrote:
> >>
> >>> On Sun, Sep 23, 2012 at 1:14 PM, Kay Schenk <ka...@gmail.com>
> wrote:
> >>>> With our graduation coming up soon, it might be time for us to
> consider
> >>>> a
> >>>> slight update to the user portal web site --
> >>>> http://www.openoffice.org/--
> >>>> for this momentous occasion.
> >>>>
> >>>> To this end, I've moved some entities to the "test" directory, and
> >>> updated
> >>>> robots.txt to not index this directory.
> >>>>
> >>>> I've wanted to fix some of the styling for a while to deal with
> >>> horizontal
> >>>> placement issues, but I'm sure some of you have some ideas as well.
> >>>>
> >>>> Maybe a wiki page would be a good idea as well to present graphic
> >>> mockups of
> >>>> ideas.
> >>>>
>
KG01 - Yes, good idea. Actually, UX is setting up a virtual studio to show
sketches, mockups and screen caps of ideas.
> >>>
> >>> Good topic to bring up.
> >>>
> >>> With graduation we'll have to think about changes to two websites.
> >>> www.openoffice.org, of course. But also our project website, which
> >>> will end up at openoffice.apache.org. The mailing lists will also
> >>> update, e.g., ooo-dev@i.a.o --> dev@openoffice.apache.org. Our
> >>> subversion tree changes as well. Ditto for Apache dist directory.
> >>>
> >>> So that leads to several sets of website changes:
> >>>
> >>> 1) Any rebranding we need/want to do, e.g. remove "incubator"
> >>> disclaimer and references. There was talk at one point about
> >>> refreshing the logo design at this time as well.
>
KG01 - Short term re-branding could remove the "incubation" reference. More
broadly, we should style the site to reflect any updates to our branding.
> >>>
> >>> 2) Updating URL's, email list address, SVN and dist directory
> >>> references. There may be others. This is pretty much a search &
> >>> replace operation.
> >>>
> >>> 3) Any work to "freshen" the website UI. IMHO it is always a good
> >>> time to improve the website ;-)
>
KG01 - Long term UI refresh, should be associated with any enhancement to
our brand moving foward. 4.0 presents an opportunity to launch such a
re-branding.
KG01 - Who can lead a re-branding effort? Marketing? PMC? Thoughts?
>>>
>>>
>>> I wonder if it would be a good time to rethink the default font on the
>>> website. Look at our plain text versus Mozilla's website, which uses
>>> OpenSans (Apache 2.0 License):
>>>
>>> http://www.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/features/
>>>
>>> http://www.google.com/webfonts/specimen/Open+Sans
>>>
KG01 - Agree, nice font. Very legible onscreen.
>>> To me this is much more legible than our current font (Liberation?)
>>>
>>
>> I know we'll have quite a number of references to change after we
graduate,
>> and I thought we were planning on using the area where we have the Apache
>> incubator icon for something else but I'd need to go look that up.
>>
>> re: fonts --- I'll need to investigate this. I didn't realize we had much
>> of anything specified. hmmmm....
>>
>>
>>
>>> Regards,
>>>
>>> -Rob
>>>
>>>> So...get your creative juices flowing and let's see what we can do.
>>>> --
>>>>
------------------------------------------------------------------------
>>>> MzK
>>>>
>>>> "Just 'cause you got the monkey off your back
>>>> doesn't mean the circus has left town."
>>>> -- George Carlin
>>>
>>
>>
>>
>> --
>>
----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
>> MzK
>>
>> "Just 'cause you got the monkey off your back
>> doesn't mean the circus has left town."
>> -- George Carlin
>>
>
>
> --
> Alexandro Colorado
> PPMC Apache OpenOffice
> http://es.openoffice.org
Re: [DISCUSS][WWW] maybe time for a home page facelift?
Posted by Kay Schenk <ka...@gmail.com>.
On 09/27/2012 01:58 PM, Alexandro Colorado wrote:
> On Thu, Sep 27, 2012 at 3:36 PM, Kay Schenk <ka...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>>
>>
>> On 09/27/2012 10:31 AM, Alexandro Colorado wrote:
>>
>>> On Wed, Sep 26, 2012 at 6:23 PM, Kay Schenk <ka...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>>>
>>>> On 09/25/2012 03:47 PM, Dave Fisher wrote:
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>> On Sep 25, 2012, at 3:26 PM, Alexandro Colorado wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> Should we have a webdev list?
>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>> We discussed using the tags [WWW] last year.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> In the past we did had dedicated list for each line of the project.
>>>>>> I am not sure this is something that should be discussed as the
>>>>>> work on redesign start growing.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>> Generally everything should be here.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Some suggestions on the design of the site: - Show the product,
>>>>>> currently there is nothing visual that relates the software with
>>>>>> office productivity.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>> Perhaps we should setup an area in ooo-site where we can have a
>>>>> design contest. Let me think about how to do that technically using
>>>>> the CMS.
>>>>>
>>>>> Kay - you should continue to with whatever efforts you have in mind
>>>>> with the main page. What I am thinking about is redesigning the
>>>>> headers and footers.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>> oh -- OK
>>>>
>>>> I need to get back into more extensive learning with the CMS too. :/
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Right now, I have some recent mods in
>>>>
>>>> http://www.openoffice.org/test/
>>>>
>>>> to deal with the horizontal scrolling and trying to put "constant" items
>>>> we have in the right side area into permanent areas in the left hand
>>>> column.
>>>>
>>>> We can continue to use this area -- test. I would request that since I am
>>>> working on "index.html" which I hope to finish up and put into production
>>>> soon, that new designs be given some different name, along with
>>>> alternative
>>>> names for the basic style sheets.
>>>>
>>>> [ In this regard, PLEASE HELP fix the styling on my links under the
>>>> social
>>>> area. I can not get this line to "move over" to align with the one above
>>>> AND keep this coloring for the links. Desperately in need of a CSS guru!
>>>> ]
>>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> I think the fact that you are no longer using a <p> tag is what makes it
>>> loose the inherit style. You have <p></p><div ...>Twitter, Google+</div>.
>>>
>>>
>>
>> Well...all I can tell you is I used many many many permutations yesterday
>> trying to get this do what I wanted it to. :) to no use...
>>
>> I confess I am quite behind in my CSS and at this point.
>>
>> I will try to do some quick catch up in this regard, and maybe some rather
>> large edits are needed to do something as simple as i'd like.
>
>
> I still not totally sure what is the problem maybe I should check the SVN
> but have u tried using some pseudo classes-elements. I find this site to be
> helpful: http://w3schools.com/css/css_pseudo_classes.asp
> at least for reference and remembering stuff.
Hi Alexandro --
Well I did get this fixed the way I was intending by yes, inserting
another <p> tag as suggested (it could be I could arrange things a bit
differently and now take one out), AND, fix the CSS definition for the
anchors I wanted. My syntax was incorrect for what I wanted to happen.
As I said, I really DO need some additional CSS training. :/
>
>
>>
>>
>>
>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> - Responsive design, mobile browsers, tablets and devices can have
>>>>>
>>>>>> different dimensions on the site, having a RD conformant site
>>>>>> could help our users browse through the site.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>> yes...another reason to make changes
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Sure. I think the best strategy might be to use a common set of css
>>>>> tags in device specific css files that can then be varied according
>>>>> to the dimensions of the browser.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>> That's one of the main reasons I wanted to do this. The two home page
>>>> columns are now laid out via percentages vs pixel widths.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> - Corporate theme, ViewVC, cWiki, Forum(?), Bugzilla have their
>>>>>
>>>>>> own theme, should there be efforts to adopt the same design like
>>>>>> the templates/extension/wiki site.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>> The way the CMS works the templates used for the websites can be
>>>>> ported by the sysadmins and teams in the Forum and mWiki. cWiki is
>>>>> harder. I'm sure that SF can follow as well.
>>>>>
>>>>> - Website QA - Possible broken pages due to the change in
>>>>>
>>>>>> frameworks (from Oracle to Apache) on smaller projects.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>> Download the source, discuss any errors, make the changes - JFDI.
>>>>>
>>>>> Regards, Dave
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> On 9/25/12, Kay Schenk <ka...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On Tue, Sep 25, 2012 at 1:09 PM, Rob Weir <ro...@apache.org>
>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On Sun, Sep 23, 2012 at 1:14 PM, Kay Schenk
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> <ka...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> With our graduation coming up soon, it might be time for us
>>>>>>>>> to consider a slight update to the user portal web site --
>>>>>>>>> http://www.openoffice.org/-- for this momentous occasion.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> To this end, I've moved some entities to the "test"
>>>>>>>>> directory, and
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> updated
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> robots.txt to not index this directory.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> I've wanted to fix some of the styling for a while to deal
>>>>>>>>> with
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> horizontal
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> placement issues, but I'm sure some of you have some ideas as
>>>>>>>>> well.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Maybe a wiki page would be a good idea as well to present
>>>>>>>>> graphic
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> mockups of
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> ideas.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Good topic to bring up.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> With graduation we'll have to think about changes to two
>>>>>>>> websites. www.openoffice.org, of course. But also our project
>>>>>>>> website, which will end up at openoffice.apache.org. The
>>>>>>>> mailing lists will also update, e.g., ooo-dev@i.a.o -->
>>>>>>>> dev@openoffice.apache.org. Our subversion tree changes as
>>>>>>>> well. Ditto for Apache dist directory.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> So that leads to several sets of website changes:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> 1) Any rebranding we need/want to do, e.g. remove "incubator"
>>>>>>>> disclaimer and references. There was talk at one point about
>>>>>>>> refreshing the logo design at this time as well.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> 2) Updating URL's, email list address, SVN and dist directory
>>>>>>>> references. There may be others. This is pretty much a search
>>>>>>>> & replace operation.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> 3) Any work to "freshen" the website UI. IMHO it is always a
>>>>>>>> good time to improve the website ;-)
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> I wonder if it would be a good time to rethink the default font
>>>>>>>> on the website. Look at our plain text versus Mozilla's
>>>>>>>> website, which uses OpenSans (Apache 2.0 License):
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> http://www.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/features/
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> http://www.google.com/webfonts/specimen/Open+Sans
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> To me this is much more legible than our current font
>>>>>>>> (Liberation?)
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> I know we'll have quite a number of references to change after we
>>>>>>> graduate, and I thought we were planning on using the area where
>>>>>>> we have the Apache incubator icon for something else but I'd need
>>>>>>> to go look that up.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> re: fonts --- I'll need to investigate this. I didn't realize we
>>>>>>> had much of anything specified. hmmmm....
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Regards,
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> -Rob
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> So...get your creative juices flowing and let's see what we
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> can do. --
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> ------------------------------------------------------------------------
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> MzK
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>
>>>>> "Just 'cause you got the monkey off your back doesn't mean
>>>>>>>>> the circus has left town." -- George Carlin
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> --
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> MzK
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>
>>>>> "Just 'cause you got the monkey off your back doesn't mean the
>>>>>>> circus has left town." -- George Carlin
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>> -- Alexandro Colorado PPMC Apache OpenOffice
>>>>>> http://es.openoffice.org
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> --
>>>> ------------------------------------------------------------------------
>>>> MzK
>>>>
>>>> "Just 'cause you got the monkey off your back
>>>> doesn't mean the circus has left town."
>>>> -- George Carlin
>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>> --
>> ------------------------------------------------------------------------
>> MzK
>>
>> "Just 'cause you got the monkey off your back
>> doesn't mean the circus has left town."
>> -- George Carlin
>>
>
>
>
--
------------------------------------------------------------------------
MzK
"Just 'cause you got the monkey off your back
doesn't mean the circus has left town."
-- George Carlin
Re: [DISCUSS][WWW] maybe time for a home page facelift?
Posted by Alexandro Colorado <jz...@oooes.org>.
On Thu, Sep 27, 2012 at 3:36 PM, Kay Schenk <ka...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>
> On 09/27/2012 10:31 AM, Alexandro Colorado wrote:
>
>> On Wed, Sep 26, 2012 at 6:23 PM, Kay Schenk <ka...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>
>>>
>>> On 09/25/2012 03:47 PM, Dave Fisher wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>>> On Sep 25, 2012, at 3:26 PM, Alexandro Colorado wrote:
>>>>
>>>> Should we have a webdev list?
>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>> We discussed using the tags [WWW] last year.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> In the past we did had dedicated list for each line of the project.
>>>>> I am not sure this is something that should be discussed as the
>>>>> work on redesign start growing.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>> Generally everything should be here.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Some suggestions on the design of the site: - Show the product,
>>>>> currently there is nothing visual that relates the software with
>>>>> office productivity.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>> Perhaps we should setup an area in ooo-site where we can have a
>>>> design contest. Let me think about how to do that technically using
>>>> the CMS.
>>>>
>>>> Kay - you should continue to with whatever efforts you have in mind
>>>> with the main page. What I am thinking about is redesigning the
>>>> headers and footers.
>>>>
>>>>
>>> oh -- OK
>>>
>>> I need to get back into more extensive learning with the CMS too. :/
>>>
>>>
>>> Right now, I have some recent mods in
>>>
>>> http://www.openoffice.org/test/
>>>
>>> to deal with the horizontal scrolling and trying to put "constant" items
>>> we have in the right side area into permanent areas in the left hand
>>> column.
>>>
>>> We can continue to use this area -- test. I would request that since I am
>>> working on "index.html" which I hope to finish up and put into production
>>> soon, that new designs be given some different name, along with
>>> alternative
>>> names for the basic style sheets.
>>>
>>> [ In this regard, PLEASE HELP fix the styling on my links under the
>>> social
>>> area. I can not get this line to "move over" to align with the one above
>>> AND keep this coloring for the links. Desperately in need of a CSS guru!
>>> ]
>>>
>>
>>
>> I think the fact that you are no longer using a <p> tag is what makes it
>> loose the inherit style. You have <p></p><div ...>Twitter, Google+</div>.
>>
>>
>
> Well...all I can tell you is I used many many many permutations yesterday
> trying to get this do what I wanted it to. :) to no use...
>
> I confess I am quite behind in my CSS and at this point.
>
> I will try to do some quick catch up in this regard, and maybe some rather
> large edits are needed to do something as simple as i'd like.
I still not totally sure what is the problem maybe I should check the SVN
but have u tried using some pseudo classes-elements. I find this site to be
helpful: http://w3schools.com/css/css_pseudo_classes.asp
at least for reference and remembering stuff.
>
>
>
>>
>>>
>>>
>>> - Responsive design, mobile browsers, tablets and devices can have
>>>>
>>>>> different dimensions on the site, having a RD conformant site
>>>>> could help our users browse through the site.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>> yes...another reason to make changes
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Sure. I think the best strategy might be to use a common set of css
>>>> tags in device specific css files that can then be varied according
>>>> to the dimensions of the browser.
>>>>
>>>>
>>> That's one of the main reasons I wanted to do this. The two home page
>>> columns are now laid out via percentages vs pixel widths.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> - Corporate theme, ViewVC, cWiki, Forum(?), Bugzilla have their
>>>>
>>>>> own theme, should there be efforts to adopt the same design like
>>>>> the templates/extension/wiki site.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>> The way the CMS works the templates used for the websites can be
>>>> ported by the sysadmins and teams in the Forum and mWiki. cWiki is
>>>> harder. I'm sure that SF can follow as well.
>>>>
>>>> - Website QA - Possible broken pages due to the change in
>>>>
>>>>> frameworks (from Oracle to Apache) on smaller projects.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>> Download the source, discuss any errors, make the changes - JFDI.
>>>>
>>>> Regards, Dave
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On 9/25/12, Kay Schenk <ka...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> On Tue, Sep 25, 2012 at 1:09 PM, Rob Weir <ro...@apache.org>
>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On Sun, Sep 23, 2012 at 1:14 PM, Kay Schenk
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> <ka...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> With our graduation coming up soon, it might be time for us
>>>>>>>> to consider a slight update to the user portal web site --
>>>>>>>> http://www.openoffice.org/-- for this momentous occasion.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> To this end, I've moved some entities to the "test"
>>>>>>>> directory, and
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> updated
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> robots.txt to not index this directory.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> I've wanted to fix some of the styling for a while to deal
>>>>>>>> with
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> horizontal
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> placement issues, but I'm sure some of you have some ideas as
>>>>>>>> well.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Maybe a wiki page would be a good idea as well to present
>>>>>>>> graphic
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> mockups of
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> ideas.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Good topic to bring up.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> With graduation we'll have to think about changes to two
>>>>>>> websites. www.openoffice.org, of course. But also our project
>>>>>>> website, which will end up at openoffice.apache.org. The
>>>>>>> mailing lists will also update, e.g., ooo-dev@i.a.o -->
>>>>>>> dev@openoffice.apache.org. Our subversion tree changes as
>>>>>>> well. Ditto for Apache dist directory.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> So that leads to several sets of website changes:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> 1) Any rebranding we need/want to do, e.g. remove "incubator"
>>>>>>> disclaimer and references. There was talk at one point about
>>>>>>> refreshing the logo design at this time as well.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> 2) Updating URL's, email list address, SVN and dist directory
>>>>>>> references. There may be others. This is pretty much a search
>>>>>>> & replace operation.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> 3) Any work to "freshen" the website UI. IMHO it is always a
>>>>>>> good time to improve the website ;-)
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I wonder if it would be a good time to rethink the default font
>>>>>>> on the website. Look at our plain text versus Mozilla's
>>>>>>> website, which uses OpenSans (Apache 2.0 License):
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> http://www.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/features/
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> http://www.google.com/webfonts/specimen/Open+Sans
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> To me this is much more legible than our current font
>>>>>>> (Liberation?)
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I know we'll have quite a number of references to change after we
>>>>>> graduate, and I thought we were planning on using the area where
>>>>>> we have the Apache incubator icon for something else but I'd need
>>>>>> to go look that up.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> re: fonts --- I'll need to investigate this. I didn't realize we
>>>>>> had much of anything specified. hmmmm....
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Regards,
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> -Rob
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> So...get your creative juices flowing and let's see what we
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> can do. --
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> ------------------------------------------------------------------------
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> MzK
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>
>>>> "Just 'cause you got the monkey off your back doesn't mean
>>>>>>>> the circus has left town." -- George Carlin
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> --
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> MzK
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>
>>>> "Just 'cause you got the monkey off your back doesn't mean the
>>>>>> circus has left town." -- George Carlin
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>> -- Alexandro Colorado PPMC Apache OpenOffice
>>>>> http://es.openoffice.org
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>> --
>>> ------------------------------------------------------------------------
>>> MzK
>>>
>>> "Just 'cause you got the monkey off your back
>>> doesn't mean the circus has left town."
>>> -- George Carlin
>>>
>>>
>>
>>
>>
> --
> ------------------------------------------------------------------------
> MzK
>
> "Just 'cause you got the monkey off your back
> doesn't mean the circus has left town."
> -- George Carlin
>
--
Alexandro Colorado
PPMC Apache OpenOffice
http://es.openoffice.org
Re: [DISCUSS][WWW] maybe time for a home page facelift?
Posted by Kay Schenk <ka...@gmail.com>.
On 09/27/2012 10:31 AM, Alexandro Colorado wrote:
> On Wed, Sep 26, 2012 at 6:23 PM, Kay Schenk <ka...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>>
>>
>> On 09/25/2012 03:47 PM, Dave Fisher wrote:
>>
>>>
>>> On Sep 25, 2012, at 3:26 PM, Alexandro Colorado wrote:
>>>
>>> Should we have a webdev list?
>>>>
>>>
>>> We discussed using the tags [WWW] last year.
>>>
>>>
>>>> In the past we did had dedicated list for each line of the project.
>>>> I am not sure this is something that should be discussed as the
>>>> work on redesign start growing.
>>>>
>>>
>>> Generally everything should be here.
>>>
>>>
>>>> Some suggestions on the design of the site: - Show the product,
>>>> currently there is nothing visual that relates the software with
>>>> office productivity.
>>>>
>>>
>>> Perhaps we should setup an area in ooo-site where we can have a
>>> design contest. Let me think about how to do that technically using
>>> the CMS.
>>>
>>> Kay - you should continue to with whatever efforts you have in mind
>>> with the main page. What I am thinking about is redesigning the
>>> headers and footers.
>>>
>>
>> oh -- OK
>>
>> I need to get back into more extensive learning with the CMS too. :/
>>
>>
>> Right now, I have some recent mods in
>>
>> http://www.openoffice.org/test/
>>
>> to deal with the horizontal scrolling and trying to put "constant" items
>> we have in the right side area into permanent areas in the left hand column.
>>
>> We can continue to use this area -- test. I would request that since I am
>> working on "index.html" which I hope to finish up and put into production
>> soon, that new designs be given some different name, along with alternative
>> names for the basic style sheets.
>>
>> [ In this regard, PLEASE HELP fix the styling on my links under the social
>> area. I can not get this line to "move over" to align with the one above
>> AND keep this coloring for the links. Desperately in need of a CSS guru! ]
>
>
> I think the fact that you are no longer using a <p> tag is what makes it
> loose the inherit style. You have <p></p><div ...>Twitter, Google+</div>.
>
Well...all I can tell you is I used many many many permutations
yesterday trying to get this do what I wanted it to. :) to no use...
I confess I am quite behind in my CSS and at this point.
I will try to do some quick catch up in this regard, and maybe some
rather large edits are needed to do something as simple as i'd like.
>
>>
>>
>>
>>> - Responsive design, mobile browsers, tablets and devices can have
>>>> different dimensions on the site, having a RD conformant site
>>>> could help our users browse through the site.
>>>>
>>>
>> yes...another reason to make changes
>>
>>
>>
>>> Sure. I think the best strategy might be to use a common set of css
>>> tags in device specific css files that can then be varied according
>>> to the dimensions of the browser.
>>>
>>
>> That's one of the main reasons I wanted to do this. The two home page
>> columns are now laid out via percentages vs pixel widths.
>>
>>
>>
>>> - Corporate theme, ViewVC, cWiki, Forum(?), Bugzilla have their
>>>> own theme, should there be efforts to adopt the same design like
>>>> the templates/extension/wiki site.
>>>>
>>>
>>> The way the CMS works the templates used for the websites can be
>>> ported by the sysadmins and teams in the Forum and mWiki. cWiki is
>>> harder. I'm sure that SF can follow as well.
>>>
>>> - Website QA - Possible broken pages due to the change in
>>>> frameworks (from Oracle to Apache) on smaller projects.
>>>>
>>>
>>> Download the source, discuss any errors, make the changes - JFDI.
>>>
>>> Regards, Dave
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>> On 9/25/12, Kay Schenk <ka...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> On Tue, Sep 25, 2012 at 1:09 PM, Rob Weir <ro...@apache.org>
>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> On Sun, Sep 23, 2012 at 1:14 PM, Kay Schenk
>>>>>> <ka...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> With our graduation coming up soon, it might be time for us
>>>>>>> to consider a slight update to the user portal web site --
>>>>>>> http://www.openoffice.org/-- for this momentous occasion.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> To this end, I've moved some entities to the "test"
>>>>>>> directory, and
>>>>>>>
>>>>>> updated
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> robots.txt to not index this directory.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I've wanted to fix some of the styling for a while to deal
>>>>>>> with
>>>>>>>
>>>>>> horizontal
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> placement issues, but I'm sure some of you have some ideas as
>>>>>>> well.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Maybe a wiki page would be a good idea as well to present
>>>>>>> graphic
>>>>>>>
>>>>>> mockups of
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> ideas.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>> Good topic to bring up.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> With graduation we'll have to think about changes to two
>>>>>> websites. www.openoffice.org, of course. But also our project
>>>>>> website, which will end up at openoffice.apache.org. The
>>>>>> mailing lists will also update, e.g., ooo-dev@i.a.o -->
>>>>>> dev@openoffice.apache.org. Our subversion tree changes as
>>>>>> well. Ditto for Apache dist directory.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> So that leads to several sets of website changes:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> 1) Any rebranding we need/want to do, e.g. remove "incubator"
>>>>>> disclaimer and references. There was talk at one point about
>>>>>> refreshing the logo design at this time as well.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> 2) Updating URL's, email list address, SVN and dist directory
>>>>>> references. There may be others. This is pretty much a search
>>>>>> & replace operation.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> 3) Any work to "freshen" the website UI. IMHO it is always a
>>>>>> good time to improve the website ;-)
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I wonder if it would be a good time to rethink the default font
>>>>>> on the website. Look at our plain text versus Mozilla's
>>>>>> website, which uses OpenSans (Apache 2.0 License):
>>>>>>
>>>>>> http://www.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/features/
>>>>>>
>>>>>> http://www.google.com/webfonts/specimen/Open+Sans
>>>>>>
>>>>>> To me this is much more legible than our current font
>>>>>> (Liberation?)
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>> I know we'll have quite a number of references to change after we
>>>>> graduate, and I thought we were planning on using the area where
>>>>> we have the Apache incubator icon for something else but I'd need
>>>>> to go look that up.
>>>>>
>>>>> re: fonts --- I'll need to investigate this. I didn't realize we
>>>>> had much of anything specified. hmmmm....
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Regards,
>>>>>>
>>>>>> -Rob
>>>>>>
>>>>>> So...get your creative juices flowing and let's see what we
>>>>>>> can do. --
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> ------------------------------------------------------------------------
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> MzK
>>
>>>
>>>>>>> "Just 'cause you got the monkey off your back doesn't mean
>>>>>>> the circus has left town." -- George Carlin
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> --
>>>>>
>>>>> ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> MzK
>>
>>>
>>>>> "Just 'cause you got the monkey off your back doesn't mean the
>>>>> circus has left town." -- George Carlin
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>> -- Alexandro Colorado PPMC Apache OpenOffice
>>>> http://es.openoffice.org
>>>>
>>>
>>>
>> --
>> ------------------------------------------------------------------------
>> MzK
>>
>> "Just 'cause you got the monkey off your back
>> doesn't mean the circus has left town."
>> -- George Carlin
>>
>
>
>
--
------------------------------------------------------------------------
MzK
"Just 'cause you got the monkey off your back
doesn't mean the circus has left town."
-- George Carlin
Re: [DISCUSS][WWW] maybe time for a home page facelift?
Posted by Alexandro Colorado <jz...@oooes.org>.
On Wed, Sep 26, 2012 at 6:23 PM, Kay Schenk <ka...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>
> On 09/25/2012 03:47 PM, Dave Fisher wrote:
>
>>
>> On Sep 25, 2012, at 3:26 PM, Alexandro Colorado wrote:
>>
>> Should we have a webdev list?
>>>
>>
>> We discussed using the tags [WWW] last year.
>>
>>
>>> In the past we did had dedicated list for each line of the project.
>>> I am not sure this is something that should be discussed as the
>>> work on redesign start growing.
>>>
>>
>> Generally everything should be here.
>>
>>
>>> Some suggestions on the design of the site: - Show the product,
>>> currently there is nothing visual that relates the software with
>>> office productivity.
>>>
>>
>> Perhaps we should setup an area in ooo-site where we can have a
>> design contest. Let me think about how to do that technically using
>> the CMS.
>>
>> Kay - you should continue to with whatever efforts you have in mind
>> with the main page. What I am thinking about is redesigning the
>> headers and footers.
>>
>
> oh -- OK
>
> I need to get back into more extensive learning with the CMS too. :/
>
>
> Right now, I have some recent mods in
>
> http://www.openoffice.org/test/
>
> to deal with the horizontal scrolling and trying to put "constant" items
> we have in the right side area into permanent areas in the left hand column.
>
> We can continue to use this area -- test. I would request that since I am
> working on "index.html" which I hope to finish up and put into production
> soon, that new designs be given some different name, along with alternative
> names for the basic style sheets.
>
> [ In this regard, PLEASE HELP fix the styling on my links under the social
> area. I can not get this line to "move over" to align with the one above
> AND keep this coloring for the links. Desperately in need of a CSS guru! ]
I think the fact that you are no longer using a <p> tag is what makes it
loose the inherit style. You have <p></p><div ...>Twitter, Google+</div>.
>
>
>
>> - Responsive design, mobile browsers, tablets and devices can have
>>> different dimensions on the site, having a RD conformant site
>>> could help our users browse through the site.
>>>
>>
> yes...another reason to make changes
>
>
>
>> Sure. I think the best strategy might be to use a common set of css
>> tags in device specific css files that can then be varied according
>> to the dimensions of the browser.
>>
>
> That's one of the main reasons I wanted to do this. The two home page
> columns are now laid out via percentages vs pixel widths.
>
>
>
>> - Corporate theme, ViewVC, cWiki, Forum(?), Bugzilla have their
>>> own theme, should there be efforts to adopt the same design like
>>> the templates/extension/wiki site.
>>>
>>
>> The way the CMS works the templates used for the websites can be
>> ported by the sysadmins and teams in the Forum and mWiki. cWiki is
>> harder. I'm sure that SF can follow as well.
>>
>> - Website QA - Possible broken pages due to the change in
>>> frameworks (from Oracle to Apache) on smaller projects.
>>>
>>
>> Download the source, discuss any errors, make the changes - JFDI.
>>
>> Regards, Dave
>>
>>
>>
>>> On 9/25/12, Kay Schenk <ka...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>> On Tue, Sep 25, 2012 at 1:09 PM, Rob Weir <ro...@apache.org>
>>>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> On Sun, Sep 23, 2012 at 1:14 PM, Kay Schenk
>>>>> <ka...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> With our graduation coming up soon, it might be time for us
>>>>>> to consider a slight update to the user portal web site --
>>>>>> http://www.openoffice.org/-- for this momentous occasion.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> To this end, I've moved some entities to the "test"
>>>>>> directory, and
>>>>>>
>>>>> updated
>>>>>
>>>>>> robots.txt to not index this directory.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I've wanted to fix some of the styling for a while to deal
>>>>>> with
>>>>>>
>>>>> horizontal
>>>>>
>>>>>> placement issues, but I'm sure some of you have some ideas as
>>>>>> well.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Maybe a wiki page would be a good idea as well to present
>>>>>> graphic
>>>>>>
>>>>> mockups of
>>>>>
>>>>>> ideas.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>> Good topic to bring up.
>>>>>
>>>>> With graduation we'll have to think about changes to two
>>>>> websites. www.openoffice.org, of course. But also our project
>>>>> website, which will end up at openoffice.apache.org. The
>>>>> mailing lists will also update, e.g., ooo-dev@i.a.o -->
>>>>> dev@openoffice.apache.org. Our subversion tree changes as
>>>>> well. Ditto for Apache dist directory.
>>>>>
>>>>> So that leads to several sets of website changes:
>>>>>
>>>>> 1) Any rebranding we need/want to do, e.g. remove "incubator"
>>>>> disclaimer and references. There was talk at one point about
>>>>> refreshing the logo design at this time as well.
>>>>>
>>>>> 2) Updating URL's, email list address, SVN and dist directory
>>>>> references. There may be others. This is pretty much a search
>>>>> & replace operation.
>>>>>
>>>>> 3) Any work to "freshen" the website UI. IMHO it is always a
>>>>> good time to improve the website ;-)
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> I wonder if it would be a good time to rethink the default font
>>>>> on the website. Look at our plain text versus Mozilla's
>>>>> website, which uses OpenSans (Apache 2.0 License):
>>>>>
>>>>> http://www.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/features/
>>>>>
>>>>> http://www.google.com/webfonts/specimen/Open+Sans
>>>>>
>>>>> To me this is much more legible than our current font
>>>>> (Liberation?)
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>> I know we'll have quite a number of references to change after we
>>>> graduate, and I thought we were planning on using the area where
>>>> we have the Apache incubator icon for something else but I'd need
>>>> to go look that up.
>>>>
>>>> re: fonts --- I'll need to investigate this. I didn't realize we
>>>> had much of anything specified. hmmmm....
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Regards,
>>>>>
>>>>> -Rob
>>>>>
>>>>> So...get your creative juices flowing and let's see what we
>>>>>> can do. --
>>>>>>
>>>>>> ------------------------------------------------------------------------
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> MzK
>
>>
>>>>>> "Just 'cause you got the monkey off your back doesn't mean
>>>>>> the circus has left town." -- George Carlin
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> --
>>>>
>>>> ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> MzK
>
>>
>>>> "Just 'cause you got the monkey off your back doesn't mean the
>>>> circus has left town." -- George Carlin
>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>> -- Alexandro Colorado PPMC Apache OpenOffice
>>> http://es.openoffice.org
>>>
>>
>>
> --
> ------------------------------------------------------------------------
> MzK
>
> "Just 'cause you got the monkey off your back
> doesn't mean the circus has left town."
> -- George Carlin
>
--
Alexandro Colorado
PPMC Apache OpenOffice
http://es.openoffice.org
Re: [DISCUSS][WWW] maybe time for a home page facelift?
Posted by Alexandro Colorado <jz...@oooes.org>.
On 9/27/12, Kay Schenk <ka...@gmail.com> wrote:
> On Wed, Sep 26, 2012 at 5:38 PM, Dave Fisher <da...@comcast.net> wrote:
>
>>
>> On Sep 26, 2012, at 4:23 PM, Kay Schenk wrote:
>>
>> >
>> >
>> > On 09/25/2012 03:47 PM, Dave Fisher wrote:
>> >>
>> >> On Sep 25, 2012, at 3:26 PM, Alexandro Colorado wrote:
>> >>
>> >>> Should we have a webdev list?
>> >>
>> >> We discussed using the tags [WWW] last year.
>> >>
>> >>>
>> >>> In the past we did had dedicated list for each line of the project.
>> >>> I am not sure this is something that should be discussed as the
>> >>> work on redesign start growing.
>> >>
>> >> Generally everything should be here.
>> >>
>> >>>
>> >>> Some suggestions on the design of the site: - Show the product,
>> >>> currently there is nothing visual that relates the software with
>> >>> office productivity.
>> >>
>> >> Perhaps we should setup an area in ooo-site where we can have a
>> >> design contest. Let me think about how to do that technically using
>> >> the CMS.
>> >>
>> >> Kay - you should continue to with whatever efforts you have in mind
>> >> with the main page. What I am thinking about is redesigning the
>> >> headers and footers.
>> >
>> > oh -- OK
>> >
>> > I need to get back into more extensive learning with the CMS too. :/
>> >
>> >
>> > Right now, I have some recent mods in
>> >
>> > http://www.openoffice.org/test/
>> >
>> > to deal with the horizontal scrolling and trying to put "constant"
>> > items
>> we have in the right side area into permanent areas in the left hand
>> column.
>> >
>> > We can continue to use this area -- test. I would request that since I
>> am working on "index.html" which I hope to finish up and put into
>> production soon, that new designs be given some different name, along
>> with
>> alternative names for the basic style sheets.
>> >
>> > [ In this regard, PLEASE HELP fix the styling on my links under the
>> social area. I can not get this line to "move over" to align with the one
>> above AND keep this coloring for the links. Desperately in need of a CSS
>> guru! ]
>>
>> <div class="action-social-extra">
>> <a href="https://twitter.com/apacheoo/">
>> <em>Twitter</em></a>, <a href="
>> https://plus.google.com/u/0/114598373874764163668/about
>> "><em>Google+</em></a>,
>> <a
>> href="https://www.facebook.com/ApacheOO/"><em>Facebook</em></a>
>> and <a
>> href="https://www.facebook.com/groups/338330086179568/"><em>Facebook
>> group</em></a>.
>> </div>
>>
>> Put a <p> </p> inside the <div>
>>
>> <div class="action-social-extra"><p>
>> <a href="https://twitter.com/apacheoo/">
>> <em>Twitter</em></a>, <a href="
>> https://plus.google.com/u/0/114598373874764163668/about
>> "><em>Google+</em></a>,
>> <a
>> href="https://www.facebook.com/ApacheOO/"><em>Facebook</em></a>
>> and <a
>> href="https://www.facebook.com/groups/338330086179568/"><em>Facebook
>> group</em></a>.
>> </p></div>
>>
>
> Thanks for the suggestion. When I did that (yesterday), it aligned
> correctly but wiped out the colored links. I'll try again. Given that this
> page was originally designed with the styling to do all sorts of things
> that it is no longer doing, I'm thinking the styling could be simplified at
> this point.
>
>
>>
>> >
>> >>
>> >>> - Responsive design, mobile browsers, tablets and devices can have
>> >>> different dimensions on the site, having a RD conformant site
>> >>> could help our users browse through the site.
>> >
>> > yes...another reason to make changes
>> >
>> >>
>> >> Sure. I think the best strategy might be to use a common set of css
>> >> tags in device specific css files that can then be varied according
>> >> to the dimensions of the browser.
>> >
>> > That's one of the main reasons I wanted to do this. The two home page
>> columns are now laid out via percentages vs pixel widths.
>>
>> When they are pixel widths then they automatically stack. - good for a
>> handheld.
>>
>> And that is the point!
>>
>
> Well...OK...I didn't like the right column dropping under. I will start the
> wiki page today. I'm sure others have many good ideas on what would be good
> at this point.
A point I would like to open for consideration is how much HTML5-CSS3
you think we want to use. The web has advanced a lot on this regard
since the original design was done back in 2006-2007.
I would love to also test the idea of using more vectorize design like
SVG-Canvas.
I tested using OO Gull symbol from SVG to Canvas here with great results:
http://www.professorcloud.com/svg-to-canvas/
(code) http://pastebin.mozilla.org/1846237
CSS3 support for gradients also mean we can do the header withou
needing some rasterized background and using strictly CSS forms. Here
is an example of the Opera logo in CSS form
http://v2.desandro.com/articles/opera-logo-css/
>
>
>> Regards,
>> Dave
>>
>>
>> >
>> >>
>> >>> - Corporate theme, ViewVC, cWiki, Forum(?), Bugzilla have their
>> >>> own theme, should there be efforts to adopt the same design like
>> >>> the templates/extension/wiki site.
>> >>
>> >> The way the CMS works the templates used for the websites can be
>> >> ported by the sysadmins and teams in the Forum and mWiki. cWiki is
>> >> harder. I'm sure that SF can follow as well.
>> >>
>> >>> - Website QA - Possible broken pages due to the change in
>> >>> frameworks (from Oracle to Apache) on smaller projects.
>> >>
>> >> Download the source, discuss any errors, make the changes - JFDI.
>> >>
>> >> Regards, Dave
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>>
>> >>> On 9/25/12, Kay Schenk <ka...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> >>>> On Tue, Sep 25, 2012 at 1:09 PM, Rob Weir <ro...@apache.org>
>> >>>> wrote:
>> >>>>
>> >>>>> On Sun, Sep 23, 2012 at 1:14 PM, Kay Schenk
>> >>>>> <ka...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> >>>>>> With our graduation coming up soon, it might be time for us
>> >>>>>> to consider a slight update to the user portal web site --
>> >>>>>> http://www.openoffice.org/-- for this momentous occasion.
>> >>>>>>
>> >>>>>> To this end, I've moved some entities to the "test"
>> >>>>>> directory, and
>> >>>>> updated
>> >>>>>> robots.txt to not index this directory.
>> >>>>>>
>> >>>>>> I've wanted to fix some of the styling for a while to deal
>> >>>>>> with
>> >>>>> horizontal
>> >>>>>> placement issues, but I'm sure some of you have some ideas as
>> >>>>>> well.
>> >>>>>>
>> >>>>>> Maybe a wiki page would be a good idea as well to present
>> >>>>>> graphic
>> >>>>> mockups of
>> >>>>>> ideas.
>> >>>>>>
>> >>>>>
>> >>>>> Good topic to bring up.
>> >>>>>
>> >>>>> With graduation we'll have to think about changes to two
>> >>>>> websites. www.openoffice.org, of course. But also our project
>> >>>>> website, which will end up at openoffice.apache.org. The
>> >>>>> mailing lists will also update, e.g., ooo-dev@i.a.o -->
>> >>>>> dev@openoffice.apache.org. Our subversion tree changes as
>> >>>>> well. Ditto for Apache dist directory.
>> >>>>>
>> >>>>> So that leads to several sets of website changes:
>> >>>>>
>> >>>>> 1) Any rebranding we need/want to do, e.g. remove "incubator"
>> >>>>> disclaimer and references. There was talk at one point about
>> >>>>> refreshing the logo design at this time as well.
>> >>>>>
>> >>>>> 2) Updating URL's, email list address, SVN and dist directory
>> >>>>> references. There may be others. This is pretty much a search
>> >>>>> & replace operation.
>> >>>>>
>> >>>>> 3) Any work to "freshen" the website UI. IMHO it is always a
>> >>>>> good time to improve the website ;-)
>> >>>>>
>> >>>>>
>> >>>>> I wonder if it would be a good time to rethink the default font
>> >>>>> on the website. Look at our plain text versus Mozilla's
>> >>>>> website, which uses OpenSans (Apache 2.0 License):
>> >>>>>
>> >>>>> http://www.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/features/
>> >>>>>
>> >>>>> http://www.google.com/webfonts/specimen/Open+Sans
>> >>>>>
>> >>>>> To me this is much more legible than our current font
>> >>>>> (Liberation?)
>> >>>>>
>> >>>>
>> >>>> I know we'll have quite a number of references to change after we
>> >>>> graduate, and I thought we were planning on using the area where
>> >>>> we have the Apache incubator icon for something else but I'd need
>> >>>> to go look that up.
>> >>>>
>> >>>> re: fonts --- I'll need to investigate this. I didn't realize we
>> >>>> had much of anything specified. hmmmm....
>> >>>>
>> >>>>
>> >>>>
>> >>>>> Regards,
>> >>>>>
>> >>>>> -Rob
>> >>>>>
>> >>>>>> So...get your creative juices flowing and let's see what we
>> >>>>>> can do. --
>> >>>>>>
>> ------------------------------------------------------------------------
>> >>>>>>
>> >>>>>>
>> > MzK
>> >>>>>>
>> >>>>>> "Just 'cause you got the monkey off your back doesn't mean
>> >>>>>> the circus has left town." -- George Carlin
>> >>>>>
>> >>>>
>> >>>>
>> >>>>
>> >>>> --
>> >>>>
>> ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
>> >>>>
>> >>>>
>> > MzK
>> >>>>
>> >>>> "Just 'cause you got the monkey off your back doesn't mean the
>> >>>> circus has left town." -- George Carlin
>> >>>>
>> >>>
>> >>>
>> >>> -- Alexandro Colorado PPMC Apache OpenOffice
>> >>> http://es.openoffice.org
>> >>
>> >
>> > --
>> > ------------------------------------------------------------------------
>> > MzK
>> >
>> > "Just 'cause you got the monkey off your back
>> > doesn't mean the circus has left town."
>> > -- George Carlin
>>
>>
>
>
> --
> ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
> MzK
>
> "Just 'cause you got the monkey off your back
> doesn't mean the circus has left town."
> -- George Carlin
>
--
Alexandro Colorado
PPMC Apache OpenOffice
http://es.openoffice.org
Re: [DISCUSS][WWW] maybe time for a home page facelift?
Posted by Kay Schenk <ka...@gmail.com>.
On Wed, Sep 26, 2012 at 5:38 PM, Dave Fisher <da...@comcast.net> wrote:
>
> On Sep 26, 2012, at 4:23 PM, Kay Schenk wrote:
>
> >
> >
> > On 09/25/2012 03:47 PM, Dave Fisher wrote:
> >>
> >> On Sep 25, 2012, at 3:26 PM, Alexandro Colorado wrote:
> >>
> >>> Should we have a webdev list?
> >>
> >> We discussed using the tags [WWW] last year.
> >>
> >>>
> >>> In the past we did had dedicated list for each line of the project.
> >>> I am not sure this is something that should be discussed as the
> >>> work on redesign start growing.
> >>
> >> Generally everything should be here.
> >>
> >>>
> >>> Some suggestions on the design of the site: - Show the product,
> >>> currently there is nothing visual that relates the software with
> >>> office productivity.
> >>
> >> Perhaps we should setup an area in ooo-site where we can have a
> >> design contest. Let me think about how to do that technically using
> >> the CMS.
> >>
> >> Kay - you should continue to with whatever efforts you have in mind
> >> with the main page. What I am thinking about is redesigning the
> >> headers and footers.
> >
> > oh -- OK
> >
> > I need to get back into more extensive learning with the CMS too. :/
> >
> >
> > Right now, I have some recent mods in
> >
> > http://www.openoffice.org/test/
> >
> > to deal with the horizontal scrolling and trying to put "constant" items
> we have in the right side area into permanent areas in the left hand column.
> >
> > We can continue to use this area -- test. I would request that since I
> am working on "index.html" which I hope to finish up and put into
> production soon, that new designs be given some different name, along with
> alternative names for the basic style sheets.
> >
> > [ In this regard, PLEASE HELP fix the styling on my links under the
> social area. I can not get this line to "move over" to align with the one
> above AND keep this coloring for the links. Desperately in need of a CSS
> guru! ]
>
> <div class="action-social-extra">
> <a href="https://twitter.com/apacheoo/">
> <em>Twitter</em></a>, <a href="
> https://plus.google.com/u/0/114598373874764163668/about
> "><em>Google+</em></a>,
> <a href="https://www.facebook.com/ApacheOO/"><em>Facebook</em></a>
> and <a href="https://www.facebook.com/groups/338330086179568/"><em>Facebook
> group</em></a>.
> </div>
>
> Put a <p> </p> inside the <div>
>
> <div class="action-social-extra"><p>
> <a href="https://twitter.com/apacheoo/">
> <em>Twitter</em></a>, <a href="
> https://plus.google.com/u/0/114598373874764163668/about
> "><em>Google+</em></a>,
> <a href="https://www.facebook.com/ApacheOO/"><em>Facebook</em></a>
> and <a href="https://www.facebook.com/groups/338330086179568/"><em>Facebook
> group</em></a>.
> </p></div>
>
Thanks for the suggestion. When I did that (yesterday), it aligned
correctly but wiped out the colored links. I'll try again. Given that this
page was originally designed with the styling to do all sorts of things
that it is no longer doing, I'm thinking the styling could be simplified at
this point.
>
> >
> >>
> >>> - Responsive design, mobile browsers, tablets and devices can have
> >>> different dimensions on the site, having a RD conformant site
> >>> could help our users browse through the site.
> >
> > yes...another reason to make changes
> >
> >>
> >> Sure. I think the best strategy might be to use a common set of css
> >> tags in device specific css files that can then be varied according
> >> to the dimensions of the browser.
> >
> > That's one of the main reasons I wanted to do this. The two home page
> columns are now laid out via percentages vs pixel widths.
>
> When they are pixel widths then they automatically stack. - good for a
> handheld.
>
> And that is the point!
>
Well...OK...I didn't like the right column dropping under. I will start the
wiki page today. I'm sure others have many good ideas on what would be good
at this point.
> Regards,
> Dave
>
>
> >
> >>
> >>> - Corporate theme, ViewVC, cWiki, Forum(?), Bugzilla have their
> >>> own theme, should there be efforts to adopt the same design like
> >>> the templates/extension/wiki site.
> >>
> >> The way the CMS works the templates used for the websites can be
> >> ported by the sysadmins and teams in the Forum and mWiki. cWiki is
> >> harder. I'm sure that SF can follow as well.
> >>
> >>> - Website QA - Possible broken pages due to the change in
> >>> frameworks (from Oracle to Apache) on smaller projects.
> >>
> >> Download the source, discuss any errors, make the changes - JFDI.
> >>
> >> Regards, Dave
> >>
> >>
> >>>
> >>> On 9/25/12, Kay Schenk <ka...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >>>> On Tue, Sep 25, 2012 at 1:09 PM, Rob Weir <ro...@apache.org>
> >>>> wrote:
> >>>>
> >>>>> On Sun, Sep 23, 2012 at 1:14 PM, Kay Schenk
> >>>>> <ka...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >>>>>> With our graduation coming up soon, it might be time for us
> >>>>>> to consider a slight update to the user portal web site --
> >>>>>> http://www.openoffice.org/-- for this momentous occasion.
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> To this end, I've moved some entities to the "test"
> >>>>>> directory, and
> >>>>> updated
> >>>>>> robots.txt to not index this directory.
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> I've wanted to fix some of the styling for a while to deal
> >>>>>> with
> >>>>> horizontal
> >>>>>> placement issues, but I'm sure some of you have some ideas as
> >>>>>> well.
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> Maybe a wiki page would be a good idea as well to present
> >>>>>> graphic
> >>>>> mockups of
> >>>>>> ideas.
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Good topic to bring up.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> With graduation we'll have to think about changes to two
> >>>>> websites. www.openoffice.org, of course. But also our project
> >>>>> website, which will end up at openoffice.apache.org. The
> >>>>> mailing lists will also update, e.g., ooo-dev@i.a.o -->
> >>>>> dev@openoffice.apache.org. Our subversion tree changes as
> >>>>> well. Ditto for Apache dist directory.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> So that leads to several sets of website changes:
> >>>>>
> >>>>> 1) Any rebranding we need/want to do, e.g. remove "incubator"
> >>>>> disclaimer and references. There was talk at one point about
> >>>>> refreshing the logo design at this time as well.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> 2) Updating URL's, email list address, SVN and dist directory
> >>>>> references. There may be others. This is pretty much a search
> >>>>> & replace operation.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> 3) Any work to "freshen" the website UI. IMHO it is always a
> >>>>> good time to improve the website ;-)
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>> I wonder if it would be a good time to rethink the default font
> >>>>> on the website. Look at our plain text versus Mozilla's
> >>>>> website, which uses OpenSans (Apache 2.0 License):
> >>>>>
> >>>>> http://www.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/features/
> >>>>>
> >>>>> http://www.google.com/webfonts/specimen/Open+Sans
> >>>>>
> >>>>> To me this is much more legible than our current font
> >>>>> (Liberation?)
> >>>>>
> >>>>
> >>>> I know we'll have quite a number of references to change after we
> >>>> graduate, and I thought we were planning on using the area where
> >>>> we have the Apache incubator icon for something else but I'd need
> >>>> to go look that up.
> >>>>
> >>>> re: fonts --- I'll need to investigate this. I didn't realize we
> >>>> had much of anything specified. hmmmm....
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>> Regards,
> >>>>>
> >>>>> -Rob
> >>>>>
> >>>>>> So...get your creative juices flowing and let's see what we
> >>>>>> can do. --
> >>>>>>
> ------------------------------------------------------------------------
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>
> > MzK
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> "Just 'cause you got the monkey off your back doesn't mean
> >>>>>> the circus has left town." -- George Carlin
> >>>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>> --
> >>>>
> ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
> >>>>
> >>>>
> > MzK
> >>>>
> >>>> "Just 'cause you got the monkey off your back doesn't mean the
> >>>> circus has left town." -- George Carlin
> >>>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> -- Alexandro Colorado PPMC Apache OpenOffice
> >>> http://es.openoffice.org
> >>
> >
> > --
> > ------------------------------------------------------------------------
> > MzK
> >
> > "Just 'cause you got the monkey off your back
> > doesn't mean the circus has left town."
> > -- George Carlin
>
>
--
----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
MzK
"Just 'cause you got the monkey off your back
doesn't mean the circus has left town."
-- George Carlin
Re: [DISCUSS][WWW] maybe time for a home page facelift?
Posted by Dave Fisher <da...@comcast.net>.
On Sep 26, 2012, at 4:23 PM, Kay Schenk wrote:
>
>
> On 09/25/2012 03:47 PM, Dave Fisher wrote:
>>
>> On Sep 25, 2012, at 3:26 PM, Alexandro Colorado wrote:
>>
>>> Should we have a webdev list?
>>
>> We discussed using the tags [WWW] last year.
>>
>>>
>>> In the past we did had dedicated list for each line of the project.
>>> I am not sure this is something that should be discussed as the
>>> work on redesign start growing.
>>
>> Generally everything should be here.
>>
>>>
>>> Some suggestions on the design of the site: - Show the product,
>>> currently there is nothing visual that relates the software with
>>> office productivity.
>>
>> Perhaps we should setup an area in ooo-site where we can have a
>> design contest. Let me think about how to do that technically using
>> the CMS.
>>
>> Kay - you should continue to with whatever efforts you have in mind
>> with the main page. What I am thinking about is redesigning the
>> headers and footers.
>
> oh -- OK
>
> I need to get back into more extensive learning with the CMS too. :/
>
>
> Right now, I have some recent mods in
>
> http://www.openoffice.org/test/
>
> to deal with the horizontal scrolling and trying to put "constant" items we have in the right side area into permanent areas in the left hand column.
>
> We can continue to use this area -- test. I would request that since I am working on "index.html" which I hope to finish up and put into production soon, that new designs be given some different name, along with alternative names for the basic style sheets.
>
> [ In this regard, PLEASE HELP fix the styling on my links under the social area. I can not get this line to "move over" to align with the one above AND keep this coloring for the links. Desperately in need of a CSS guru! ]
<div class="action-social-extra">
<a href="https://twitter.com/apacheoo/"> <em>Twitter</em></a>, <a href="https://plus.google.com/u/0/114598373874764163668/about"><em>Google+</em></a>,
<a href="https://www.facebook.com/ApacheOO/"><em>Facebook</em></a> and <a href="https://www.facebook.com/groups/338330086179568/"><em>Facebook group</em></a>.
</div>
Put a <p> </p> inside the <div>
<div class="action-social-extra"><p>
<a href="https://twitter.com/apacheoo/"> <em>Twitter</em></a>, <a href="https://plus.google.com/u/0/114598373874764163668/about"><em>Google+</em></a>,
<a href="https://www.facebook.com/ApacheOO/"><em>Facebook</em></a> and <a href="https://www.facebook.com/groups/338330086179568/"><em>Facebook group</em></a>.
</p></div>
>
>>
>>> - Responsive design, mobile browsers, tablets and devices can have
>>> different dimensions on the site, having a RD conformant site
>>> could help our users browse through the site.
>
> yes...another reason to make changes
>
>>
>> Sure. I think the best strategy might be to use a common set of css
>> tags in device specific css files that can then be varied according
>> to the dimensions of the browser.
>
> That's one of the main reasons I wanted to do this. The two home page columns are now laid out via percentages vs pixel widths.
When they are pixel widths then they automatically stack. - good for a handheld.
And that is the point!
Regards,
Dave
>
>>
>>> - Corporate theme, ViewVC, cWiki, Forum(?), Bugzilla have their
>>> own theme, should there be efforts to adopt the same design like
>>> the templates/extension/wiki site.
>>
>> The way the CMS works the templates used for the websites can be
>> ported by the sysadmins and teams in the Forum and mWiki. cWiki is
>> harder. I'm sure that SF can follow as well.
>>
>>> - Website QA - Possible broken pages due to the change in
>>> frameworks (from Oracle to Apache) on smaller projects.
>>
>> Download the source, discuss any errors, make the changes - JFDI.
>>
>> Regards, Dave
>>
>>
>>>
>>> On 9/25/12, Kay Schenk <ka...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>> On Tue, Sep 25, 2012 at 1:09 PM, Rob Weir <ro...@apache.org>
>>>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> On Sun, Sep 23, 2012 at 1:14 PM, Kay Schenk
>>>>> <ka...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>> With our graduation coming up soon, it might be time for us
>>>>>> to consider a slight update to the user portal web site --
>>>>>> http://www.openoffice.org/-- for this momentous occasion.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> To this end, I've moved some entities to the "test"
>>>>>> directory, and
>>>>> updated
>>>>>> robots.txt to not index this directory.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I've wanted to fix some of the styling for a while to deal
>>>>>> with
>>>>> horizontal
>>>>>> placement issues, but I'm sure some of you have some ideas as
>>>>>> well.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Maybe a wiki page would be a good idea as well to present
>>>>>> graphic
>>>>> mockups of
>>>>>> ideas.
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Good topic to bring up.
>>>>>
>>>>> With graduation we'll have to think about changes to two
>>>>> websites. www.openoffice.org, of course. But also our project
>>>>> website, which will end up at openoffice.apache.org. The
>>>>> mailing lists will also update, e.g., ooo-dev@i.a.o -->
>>>>> dev@openoffice.apache.org. Our subversion tree changes as
>>>>> well. Ditto for Apache dist directory.
>>>>>
>>>>> So that leads to several sets of website changes:
>>>>>
>>>>> 1) Any rebranding we need/want to do, e.g. remove "incubator"
>>>>> disclaimer and references. There was talk at one point about
>>>>> refreshing the logo design at this time as well.
>>>>>
>>>>> 2) Updating URL's, email list address, SVN and dist directory
>>>>> references. There may be others. This is pretty much a search
>>>>> & replace operation.
>>>>>
>>>>> 3) Any work to "freshen" the website UI. IMHO it is always a
>>>>> good time to improve the website ;-)
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> I wonder if it would be a good time to rethink the default font
>>>>> on the website. Look at our plain text versus Mozilla's
>>>>> website, which uses OpenSans (Apache 2.0 License):
>>>>>
>>>>> http://www.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/features/
>>>>>
>>>>> http://www.google.com/webfonts/specimen/Open+Sans
>>>>>
>>>>> To me this is much more legible than our current font
>>>>> (Liberation?)
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>> I know we'll have quite a number of references to change after we
>>>> graduate, and I thought we were planning on using the area where
>>>> we have the Apache incubator icon for something else but I'd need
>>>> to go look that up.
>>>>
>>>> re: fonts --- I'll need to investigate this. I didn't realize we
>>>> had much of anything specified. hmmmm....
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>> Regards,
>>>>>
>>>>> -Rob
>>>>>
>>>>>> So...get your creative juices flowing and let's see what we
>>>>>> can do. --
>>>>>> ------------------------------------------------------------------------
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
> MzK
>>>>>>
>>>>>> "Just 'cause you got the monkey off your back doesn't mean
>>>>>> the circus has left town." -- George Carlin
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> --
>>>> ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
>>>>
>>>>
> MzK
>>>>
>>>> "Just 'cause you got the monkey off your back doesn't mean the
>>>> circus has left town." -- George Carlin
>>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> -- Alexandro Colorado PPMC Apache OpenOffice
>>> http://es.openoffice.org
>>
>
> --
> ------------------------------------------------------------------------
> MzK
>
> "Just 'cause you got the monkey off your back
> doesn't mean the circus has left town."
> -- George Carlin
Re: [DISCUSS][WWW] maybe time for a home page facelift?
Posted by Kay Schenk <ka...@gmail.com>.
On 09/25/2012 03:47 PM, Dave Fisher wrote:
>
> On Sep 25, 2012, at 3:26 PM, Alexandro Colorado wrote:
>
>> Should we have a webdev list?
>
> We discussed using the tags [WWW] last year.
>
>>
>> In the past we did had dedicated list for each line of the project.
>> I am not sure this is something that should be discussed as the
>> work on redesign start growing.
>
> Generally everything should be here.
>
>>
>> Some suggestions on the design of the site: - Show the product,
>> currently there is nothing visual that relates the software with
>> office productivity.
>
> Perhaps we should setup an area in ooo-site where we can have a
> design contest. Let me think about how to do that technically using
> the CMS.
>
> Kay - you should continue to with whatever efforts you have in mind
> with the main page. What I am thinking about is redesigning the
> headers and footers.
oh -- OK
I need to get back into more extensive learning with the CMS too. :/
Right now, I have some recent mods in
http://www.openoffice.org/test/
to deal with the horizontal scrolling and trying to put "constant" items
we have in the right side area into permanent areas in the left hand column.
We can continue to use this area -- test. I would request that since I
am working on "index.html" which I hope to finish up and put into
production soon, that new designs be given some different name, along
with alternative names for the basic style sheets.
[ In this regard, PLEASE HELP fix the styling on my links under the
social area. I can not get this line to "move over" to align with the
one above AND keep this coloring for the links. Desperately in need of a
CSS guru! ]
>
>> - Responsive design, mobile browsers, tablets and devices can have
>> different dimensions on the site, having a RD conformant site
>> could help our users browse through the site.
yes...another reason to make changes
>
> Sure. I think the best strategy might be to use a common set of css
> tags in device specific css files that can then be varied according
> to the dimensions of the browser.
That's one of the main reasons I wanted to do this. The two home page
columns are now laid out via percentages vs pixel widths.
>
>> - Corporate theme, ViewVC, cWiki, Forum(?), Bugzilla have their
>> own theme, should there be efforts to adopt the same design like
>> the templates/extension/wiki site.
>
> The way the CMS works the templates used for the websites can be
> ported by the sysadmins and teams in the Forum and mWiki. cWiki is
> harder. I'm sure that SF can follow as well.
>
>> - Website QA - Possible broken pages due to the change in
>> frameworks (from Oracle to Apache) on smaller projects.
>
> Download the source, discuss any errors, make the changes - JFDI.
>
> Regards, Dave
>
>
>>
>> On 9/25/12, Kay Schenk <ka...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>> On Tue, Sep 25, 2012 at 1:09 PM, Rob Weir <ro...@apache.org>
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>> On Sun, Sep 23, 2012 at 1:14 PM, Kay Schenk
>>>> <ka...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>> With our graduation coming up soon, it might be time for us
>>>>> to consider a slight update to the user portal web site --
>>>>> http://www.openoffice.org/-- for this momentous occasion.
>>>>>
>>>>> To this end, I've moved some entities to the "test"
>>>>> directory, and
>>>> updated
>>>>> robots.txt to not index this directory.
>>>>>
>>>>> I've wanted to fix some of the styling for a while to deal
>>>>> with
>>>> horizontal
>>>>> placement issues, but I'm sure some of you have some ideas as
>>>>> well.
>>>>>
>>>>> Maybe a wiki page would be a good idea as well to present
>>>>> graphic
>>>> mockups of
>>>>> ideas.
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Good topic to bring up.
>>>>
>>>> With graduation we'll have to think about changes to two
>>>> websites. www.openoffice.org, of course. But also our project
>>>> website, which will end up at openoffice.apache.org. The
>>>> mailing lists will also update, e.g., ooo-dev@i.a.o -->
>>>> dev@openoffice.apache.org. Our subversion tree changes as
>>>> well. Ditto for Apache dist directory.
>>>>
>>>> So that leads to several sets of website changes:
>>>>
>>>> 1) Any rebranding we need/want to do, e.g. remove "incubator"
>>>> disclaimer and references. There was talk at one point about
>>>> refreshing the logo design at this time as well.
>>>>
>>>> 2) Updating URL's, email list address, SVN and dist directory
>>>> references. There may be others. This is pretty much a search
>>>> & replace operation.
>>>>
>>>> 3) Any work to "freshen" the website UI. IMHO it is always a
>>>> good time to improve the website ;-)
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> I wonder if it would be a good time to rethink the default font
>>>> on the website. Look at our plain text versus Mozilla's
>>>> website, which uses OpenSans (Apache 2.0 License):
>>>>
>>>> http://www.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/features/
>>>>
>>>> http://www.google.com/webfonts/specimen/Open+Sans
>>>>
>>>> To me this is much more legible than our current font
>>>> (Liberation?)
>>>>
>>>
>>> I know we'll have quite a number of references to change after we
>>> graduate, and I thought we were planning on using the area where
>>> we have the Apache incubator icon for something else but I'd need
>>> to go look that up.
>>>
>>> re: fonts --- I'll need to investigate this. I didn't realize we
>>> had much of anything specified. hmmmm....
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>> Regards,
>>>>
>>>> -Rob
>>>>
>>>>> So...get your creative juices flowing and let's see what we
>>>>> can do. --
>>>>> ------------------------------------------------------------------------
>>>>>
>>>>>
MzK
>>>>>
>>>>> "Just 'cause you got the monkey off your back doesn't mean
>>>>> the circus has left town." -- George Carlin
>>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> --
>>> ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
>>>
>>>
MzK
>>>
>>> "Just 'cause you got the monkey off your back doesn't mean the
>>> circus has left town." -- George Carlin
>>>
>>
>>
>> -- Alexandro Colorado PPMC Apache OpenOffice
>> http://es.openoffice.org
>
--
------------------------------------------------------------------------
MzK
"Just 'cause you got the monkey off your back
doesn't mean the circus has left town."
-- George Carlin
Re: [DISCUSS][WWW] maybe time for a home page facelift?
Posted by Dave Fisher <da...@comcast.net>.
On Sep 25, 2012, at 3:26 PM, Alexandro Colorado wrote:
> Should we have a webdev list?
We discussed using the tags [WWW] last year.
>
> In the past we did had dedicated list for each line of the project. I
> am not sure this is something that should be discussed as the work on
> redesign start growing.
Generally everything should be here.
>
> Some suggestions on the design of the site:
> - Show the product, currently there is nothing visual that relates the
> software with office productivity.
Perhaps we should setup an area in ooo-site where we can have a design contest. Let me think about how to do that technically using the CMS.
Kay - you should continue to with whatever efforts you have in mind with the main page. What I am thinking about is redesigning the headers and footers.
> - Responsive design, mobile browsers, tablets and devices can have
> different dimensions on the site, having a RD conformant site could
> help our users browse through the site.
Sure. I think the best strategy might be to use a common set of css tags in device specific css files that can then be varied according to the dimensions of the browser.
> - Corporate theme, ViewVC, cWiki, Forum(?), Bugzilla have their own
> theme, should there be efforts to adopt the same design like the
> templates/extension/wiki site.
The way the CMS works the templates used for the websites can be ported by the sysadmins and teams in the Forum and mWiki. cWiki is harder. I'm sure that SF can follow as well.
> - Website QA - Possible broken pages due to the change in frameworks
> (from Oracle to Apache) on smaller projects.
Download the source, discuss any errors, make the changes - JFDI.
Regards,
Dave
>
> On 9/25/12, Kay Schenk <ka...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> On Tue, Sep 25, 2012 at 1:09 PM, Rob Weir <ro...@apache.org> wrote:
>>
>>> On Sun, Sep 23, 2012 at 1:14 PM, Kay Schenk <ka...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>> With our graduation coming up soon, it might be time for us to consider
>>>> a
>>>> slight update to the user portal web site --
>>>> http://www.openoffice.org/--
>>>> for this momentous occasion.
>>>>
>>>> To this end, I've moved some entities to the "test" directory, and
>>> updated
>>>> robots.txt to not index this directory.
>>>>
>>>> I've wanted to fix some of the styling for a while to deal with
>>> horizontal
>>>> placement issues, but I'm sure some of you have some ideas as well.
>>>>
>>>> Maybe a wiki page would be a good idea as well to present graphic
>>> mockups of
>>>> ideas.
>>>>
>>>
>>> Good topic to bring up.
>>>
>>> With graduation we'll have to think about changes to two websites.
>>> www.openoffice.org, of course. But also our project website, which
>>> will end up at openoffice.apache.org. The mailing lists will also
>>> update, e.g., ooo-dev@i.a.o --> dev@openoffice.apache.org. Our
>>> subversion tree changes as well. Ditto for Apache dist directory.
>>>
>>> So that leads to several sets of website changes:
>>>
>>> 1) Any rebranding we need/want to do, e.g. remove "incubator"
>>> disclaimer and references. There was talk at one point about
>>> refreshing the logo design at this time as well.
>>>
>>> 2) Updating URL's, email list address, SVN and dist directory
>>> references. There may be others. This is pretty much a search &
>>> replace operation.
>>>
>>> 3) Any work to "freshen" the website UI. IMHO it is always a good
>>> time to improve the website ;-)
>>>
>>>
>>> I wonder if it would be a good time to rethink the default font on the
>>> website. Look at our plain text versus Mozilla's website, which uses
>>> OpenSans (Apache 2.0 License):
>>>
>>> http://www.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/features/
>>>
>>> http://www.google.com/webfonts/specimen/Open+Sans
>>>
>>> To me this is much more legible than our current font (Liberation?)
>>>
>>
>> I know we'll have quite a number of references to change after we graduate,
>> and I thought we were planning on using the area where we have the Apache
>> incubator icon for something else but I'd need to go look that up.
>>
>> re: fonts --- I'll need to investigate this. I didn't realize we had much
>> of anything specified. hmmmm....
>>
>>
>>
>>> Regards,
>>>
>>> -Rob
>>>
>>>> So...get your creative juices flowing and let's see what we can do.
>>>> --
>>>> ------------------------------------------------------------------------
>>>> MzK
>>>>
>>>> "Just 'cause you got the monkey off your back
>>>> doesn't mean the circus has left town."
>>>> -- George Carlin
>>>
>>
>>
>>
>> --
>> ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
>> MzK
>>
>> "Just 'cause you got the monkey off your back
>> doesn't mean the circus has left town."
>> -- George Carlin
>>
>
>
> --
> Alexandro Colorado
> PPMC Apache OpenOffice
> http://es.openoffice.org
Re: [DISCUSS][WWW] maybe time for a home page facelift?
Posted by Alexandro Colorado <jz...@oooes.org>.
Should we have a webdev list?
In the past we did had dedicated list for each line of the project. I
am not sure this is something that should be discussed as the work on
redesign start growing.
Some suggestions on the design of the site:
- Show the product, currently there is nothing visual that relates the
software with office productivity.
- Responsive design, mobile browsers, tablets and devices can have
different dimensions on the site, having a RD conformant site could
help our users browse through the site.
- Corporate theme, ViewVC, cWiki, Forum(?), Bugzilla have their own
theme, should there be efforts to adopt the same design like the
templates/extension/wiki site.
- Website QA - Possible broken pages due to the change in frameworks
(from Oracle to Apache) on smaller projects.
On 9/25/12, Kay Schenk <ka...@gmail.com> wrote:
> On Tue, Sep 25, 2012 at 1:09 PM, Rob Weir <ro...@apache.org> wrote:
>
>> On Sun, Sep 23, 2012 at 1:14 PM, Kay Schenk <ka...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> > With our graduation coming up soon, it might be time for us to consider
>> > a
>> > slight update to the user portal web site --
>> > http://www.openoffice.org/--
>> > for this momentous occasion.
>> >
>> > To this end, I've moved some entities to the "test" directory, and
>> updated
>> > robots.txt to not index this directory.
>> >
>> > I've wanted to fix some of the styling for a while to deal with
>> horizontal
>> > placement issues, but I'm sure some of you have some ideas as well.
>> >
>> > Maybe a wiki page would be a good idea as well to present graphic
>> mockups of
>> > ideas.
>> >
>>
>> Good topic to bring up.
>>
>> With graduation we'll have to think about changes to two websites.
>> www.openoffice.org, of course. But also our project website, which
>> will end up at openoffice.apache.org. The mailing lists will also
>> update, e.g., ooo-dev@i.a.o --> dev@openoffice.apache.org. Our
>> subversion tree changes as well. Ditto for Apache dist directory.
>>
>> So that leads to several sets of website changes:
>>
>> 1) Any rebranding we need/want to do, e.g. remove "incubator"
>> disclaimer and references. There was talk at one point about
>> refreshing the logo design at this time as well.
>>
>> 2) Updating URL's, email list address, SVN and dist directory
>> references. There may be others. This is pretty much a search &
>> replace operation.
>>
>> 3) Any work to "freshen" the website UI. IMHO it is always a good
>> time to improve the website ;-)
>>
>>
>> I wonder if it would be a good time to rethink the default font on the
>> website. Look at our plain text versus Mozilla's website, which uses
>> OpenSans (Apache 2.0 License):
>>
>> http://www.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/features/
>>
>> http://www.google.com/webfonts/specimen/Open+Sans
>>
>> To me this is much more legible than our current font (Liberation?)
>>
>
> I know we'll have quite a number of references to change after we graduate,
> and I thought we were planning on using the area where we have the Apache
> incubator icon for something else but I'd need to go look that up.
>
> re: fonts --- I'll need to investigate this. I didn't realize we had much
> of anything specified. hmmmm....
>
>
>
>> Regards,
>>
>> -Rob
>>
>> > So...get your creative juices flowing and let's see what we can do.
>> > --
>> > ------------------------------------------------------------------------
>> > MzK
>> >
>> > "Just 'cause you got the monkey off your back
>> > doesn't mean the circus has left town."
>> > -- George Carlin
>>
>
>
>
> --
> ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
> MzK
>
> "Just 'cause you got the monkey off your back
> doesn't mean the circus has left town."
> -- George Carlin
>
--
Alexandro Colorado
PPMC Apache OpenOffice
http://es.openoffice.org
Re: [DISCUSS][WWW] maybe time for a home page facelift?
Posted by Kay Schenk <ka...@gmail.com>.
On Tue, Sep 25, 2012 at 1:09 PM, Rob Weir <ro...@apache.org> wrote:
> On Sun, Sep 23, 2012 at 1:14 PM, Kay Schenk <ka...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > With our graduation coming up soon, it might be time for us to consider a
> > slight update to the user portal web site -- http://www.openoffice.org/--
> > for this momentous occasion.
> >
> > To this end, I've moved some entities to the "test" directory, and
> updated
> > robots.txt to not index this directory.
> >
> > I've wanted to fix some of the styling for a while to deal with
> horizontal
> > placement issues, but I'm sure some of you have some ideas as well.
> >
> > Maybe a wiki page would be a good idea as well to present graphic
> mockups of
> > ideas.
> >
>
> Good topic to bring up.
>
> With graduation we'll have to think about changes to two websites.
> www.openoffice.org, of course. But also our project website, which
> will end up at openoffice.apache.org. The mailing lists will also
> update, e.g., ooo-dev@i.a.o --> dev@openoffice.apache.org. Our
> subversion tree changes as well. Ditto for Apache dist directory.
>
> So that leads to several sets of website changes:
>
> 1) Any rebranding we need/want to do, e.g. remove "incubator"
> disclaimer and references. There was talk at one point about
> refreshing the logo design at this time as well.
>
> 2) Updating URL's, email list address, SVN and dist directory
> references. There may be others. This is pretty much a search &
> replace operation.
>
> 3) Any work to "freshen" the website UI. IMHO it is always a good
> time to improve the website ;-)
>
>
> I wonder if it would be a good time to rethink the default font on the
> website. Look at our plain text versus Mozilla's website, which uses
> OpenSans (Apache 2.0 License):
>
> http://www.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/features/
>
> http://www.google.com/webfonts/specimen/Open+Sans
>
> To me this is much more legible than our current font (Liberation?)
>
I know we'll have quite a number of references to change after we graduate,
and I thought we were planning on using the area where we have the Apache
incubator icon for something else but I'd need to go look that up.
re: fonts --- I'll need to investigate this. I didn't realize we had much
of anything specified. hmmmm....
> Regards,
>
> -Rob
>
> > So...get your creative juices flowing and let's see what we can do.
> > --
> > ------------------------------------------------------------------------
> > MzK
> >
> > "Just 'cause you got the monkey off your back
> > doesn't mean the circus has left town."
> > -- George Carlin
>
--
----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
MzK
"Just 'cause you got the monkey off your back
doesn't mean the circus has left town."
-- George Carlin
Re: [DISCUSS][WWW] maybe time for a home page facelift?
Posted by Rob Weir <ro...@apache.org>.
On Sun, Sep 23, 2012 at 1:14 PM, Kay Schenk <ka...@gmail.com> wrote:
> With our graduation coming up soon, it might be time for us to consider a
> slight update to the user portal web site -- http://www.openoffice.org/ --
> for this momentous occasion.
>
> To this end, I've moved some entities to the "test" directory, and updated
> robots.txt to not index this directory.
>
> I've wanted to fix some of the styling for a while to deal with horizontal
> placement issues, but I'm sure some of you have some ideas as well.
>
> Maybe a wiki page would be a good idea as well to present graphic mockups of
> ideas.
>
Good topic to bring up.
With graduation we'll have to think about changes to two websites.
www.openoffice.org, of course. But also our project website, which
will end up at openoffice.apache.org. The mailing lists will also
update, e.g., ooo-dev@i.a.o --> dev@openoffice.apache.org. Our
subversion tree changes as well. Ditto for Apache dist directory.
So that leads to several sets of website changes:
1) Any rebranding we need/want to do, e.g. remove "incubator"
disclaimer and references. There was talk at one point about
refreshing the logo design at this time as well.
2) Updating URL's, email list address, SVN and dist directory
references. There may be others. This is pretty much a search &
replace operation.
3) Any work to "freshen" the website UI. IMHO it is always a good
time to improve the website ;-)
I wonder if it would be a good time to rethink the default font on the
website. Look at our plain text versus Mozilla's website, which uses
OpenSans (Apache 2.0 License):
http://www.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/features/
http://www.google.com/webfonts/specimen/Open+Sans
To me this is much more legible than our current font (Liberation?)
Regards,
-Rob
> So...get your creative juices flowing and let's see what we can do.
> --
> ------------------------------------------------------------------------
> MzK
>
> "Just 'cause you got the monkey off your back
> doesn't mean the circus has left town."
> -- George Carlin