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Posted to dev@juneau.apache.org by "John D. Ament" <jo...@apache.org> on 2017/10/01 15:11:23 UTC
Re: [DISCUSSION] Ready for graduation?
Ping.
Guys, what can I do to help keep this going?
John
On Fri, Sep 29, 2017 at 8:54 AM John D. Ament <jo...@apache.org> wrote:
> We shouldn't wait for the PNS to be complete for doing the graduation
> discussions. We should keep that going and ideally get it in front of the
> board for this reporting cycle.
>
> John
>
> On Fri, Sep 29, 2017 at 5:18 AM David Goddard <go...@acm.org> wrote:
>
>> I’m a latecomer - I don’t think I used JSON4J…
>>
>> Until the logo discussion I hadn’t realised Juneau was named after an
>> Alaskan town - I thought of it as Juno with a French accent.
>>
>> Formally: +1 from me for initiating graduation.
>>
>> > On 27 Sep 2017, at 17:35, James Bognar <ja...@apache.org> wrote:
>> >
>> > Yea...it's been through the following names...
>> >
>> > JSON4J (back in 2007)
>> > JJSON - Changed because JSON4J was used by SEVERAL other projects.
>> > Juno - Changed because it evolved into more than just a JSON toolkit.
>> > Juneau - Changed because the Eclipse foundation took the name 'Juno'.
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > On Wed, Sep 27, 2017 at 11:13 AM, David Goddard <go...@acm.org>
>> wrote:
>> >
>> >> I think Juneau is the third name it’s been through since I’ve been
>> using
>> >> it… I’m happy to stick with that :)
>> >>
>> >>> On 27 Sep 2017, at 14:39, James Bognar <ja...@apache.org>
>> wrote:
>> >>>
>> >>> BTW....before I begin, is the team comfortable with the name "Juneau"?
>> >> Or
>> >>> do we want to try to come up with something else?
>> >>>
>> >>> On Wed, Sep 27, 2017 at 9:11 AM, James Bognar <jamesbognar@apache.org
>> >
>> >>> wrote:
>> >>>
>> >>>> Yep...I'll get started on the podling name search.
>> >>>>
>> >>>> Here are the releases so far:
>> >>>> 6.0.0 - Oct 3, 2016
>> >>>> 6.0.1 - Jan 3, 2017
>> >>>> 6.1.0 - Feb 25, 2017
>> >>>> 6.2.0 - Apr 28, 2017
>> >>>> 6.3.0 - Jun 30, 2017
>> >>>> 6.3.1 - Aug 1, 2017
>> >>>>
>> >>>> On Tue, Sep 26, 2017 at 7:45 PM, John D. Ament <
>> johndament@apache.org>
>> >>>> wrote:
>> >>>>
>> >>>>> It depends on what you're trying to update. I'll go through it
>> tonight
>> >>>>> and
>> >>>>> apply updates, but it may help if I had a full list of releases and
>> >> dates
>> >>>>> we have performed (I can probably dig it up via e-mail).
>> >>>>>
>> >>>>> I pointed out before, the podling name search is not complete for
>> >> Juneau.
>> >>>>> We'll want to submit that before formally talking about graduation.
>> >> Can
>> >>>>> you submit this James?
>> >>>>>
>> >>>>> John
>> >>>>>
>> >>>>> On Tue, Sep 26, 2017 at 5:55 PM James Bognar <jamesbognar@gmail.com
>> >
>> >>>>> wrote:
>> >>>>>
>> >>>>>> Stupid question....is the juneau.html page used anymore? I
>> thought it
>> >>>>> was
>> >>>>>> taken over by the Whimsy page.
>> >>>>>>
>> >>>>>> On Tue, Sep 26, 2017 at 5:38 PM, Craig Russell <
>> apache.clr@gmail.com>
>> >>>>>> wrote:
>> >>>>>>
>> >>>>>>> As part of the discussion, please review
>> >>>>> https://incubator.apache.org/
>> >>>>>>> guides/graduation.html for information and review
>> >>>>>>> http://incubator.apache.org/projects/juneau.html for completeness
>> >> and
>> >>>>>>> accuracy. If you do not have karma to update the juneau.html let
>> >>>>> mentors
>> >>>>>>> know.
>> >>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>> I think Juneau is pretty close to graduation.
>> >>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>> Craig
>> >>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>> On Sep 26, 2017, at 1:57 PM, James Bognar <
>> jamesbognar@apache.org>
>> >>>>>>> wrote:
>> >>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>> Steve and Raphi have now been added as PPMC members to the team.
>> >>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>> Thoughts by the team on starting graduation discussion?
>> >>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>> On Tue, Sep 12, 2017 at 4:16 PM, James Bognar <
>> >>>>> jamesbognar@apache.org>
>> >>>>>>>> wrote:
>> >>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>>> I'm going off of the PPMC roster...
>> >>>>>>>>> https://whimsy.apache.org/roster/ppmc/juneau
>> >>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>>> On Tue, Sep 12, 2017 at 4:08 PM, John D. Ament <
>> >>>>> johndament@apache.org
>> >>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>>> wrote:
>> >>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>>>> Who are the six you are counting?
>> >>>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>>>> On Tue, Sep 12, 2017 at 4:04 PM James Bognar <
>> >>>>> jamesbognar@apache.org
>> >>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>>>> wrote:
>> >>>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>>>>> I think we should start a discussion on whether we're ready to
>> >>>>>>> graduate
>> >>>>>>>>>> as
>> >>>>>>>>>>> a TLP.
>> >>>>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>>>>> We joined as an incubator project in June 2016. Since then
>> we've
>> >>>>>>>>>> released
>> >>>>>>>>>>> 6 versions of Apache Juneau (6.4.0 will be the 7th) and
>> >>>>> accomplished
>> >>>>>>>>>>> significant collaboration with the Apache Streams team. All
>> >>>>>> releases
>> >>>>>>>>>> have
>> >>>>>>>>>>> gone smoothly, and we've introduced an impressive number of
>> new
>> >>>>>>> features
>> >>>>>>>>>>> and enhancements over that time.
>> >>>>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>>>>> We currently have 6 active members in the PPMC. This is a bit
>> >>>>> light
>> >>>>>>> for
>> >>>>>>>>>>> graduation, but I'm confident that this will continue to grow
>> >>>>> once
>> >>>>>>>>>> we're a
>> >>>>>>>>>>> TLP.
>> >>>>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>>>>> What say we?
>> >>>>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>> Craig L Russell
>> >>>>>>> Secretary, Apache Software Foundation
>> >>>>>>> clr@apache.org http://db.apache.org/jdo
>> >>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>
>> >>>>>
>> >>>>
>> >>>>
>> >>
>> >>
>>
>>
Re: [DISCUSSION] Ready for graduation?
Posted by James Bognar <ja...@apache.org>.
Hi John,
The links I'm referring to are in the Graduation Check List section. The
links point to non-existent anchors (e.g. "#notes-status").
On Sun, Oct 1, 2017 at 10:30 PM, John D. Ament <jo...@apache.org>
wrote:
> I'd also be happy to stay on the PMC.
>
> I've mentioned before what I'd like to see the flow be, based on what I've
> seen as successful.
>
> - Have a formal discussion here, if we think we're good that's fine.
> - Start a vote. We'll want to forward the vote to the IPMC on general@
> - Prepare the charter, Craig's sent out links for this
> - Once we've agreed on the charter here, use that as the basis for
> discussion on general@incubator
> - Start & complete the vote (normal 72 hour window)
>
> Once we get through that, we'll go over how to submit the resolution to the
> board.
>
> I have updated the status file if anyone else can review it -
> http://incubator.apache.org/projects/juneau.html
>
> James, if you can send out specifically what links are broken that would
> help. The most common issue I've seen is link: not converting properly.
> It's a weird reason each time.
>
> John
>
> On Sun, Oct 1, 2017 at 8:24 PM Craig Russell <ap...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > Next step would be to draft a graduation proposal, which you can find
> > here: https://whimsy.apache.org/roster/ppmc/juneau
> >
> > The page suggests discussing the proposal on the PPMC private list but I
> > think there is benefit in discussing on the dev list.
> >
> > Circulate the proposal, see if everyone who is proposed to be on the PMC
> > wants to continue. See if there is a volunteer to be PMC chair,
> recognizing
> > that PMC chair is simply administrative not leadership.
> >
> > Personally, I'd like to continue to contribute as part of the PMC.
> >
> > Craig
> >
> > > On Oct 1, 2017, at 12:26 PM, James Bognar <ja...@gmail.com>
> wrote:
> > >
> > > I think we’re in agreement that we would like to go forward (or at
> least
> > I
> > > haven’t seen any objections). I think we should start a vote.
> > >
> > > I’ll be willing to work on the proposal/charter.
> > >
> > > BTW....this page has many dead links...
> > > https://incubator.apache.org/guides/graduation.html
> > >
> > >
> > > On Sun, Oct 1, 2017 at 11:11 AM John D. Ament <jo...@apache.org>
> > wrote:
> > >
> > >> Ping.
> > >>
> > >> Guys, what can I do to help keep this going?
> > >>
> > >> John
> > >>
> > >> On Fri, Sep 29, 2017 at 8:54 AM John D. Ament <jo...@apache.org>
> > >> wrote:
> > >>
> > >>> We shouldn't wait for the PNS to be complete for doing the graduation
> > >>> discussions. We should keep that going and ideally get it in front
> of
> > >> the
> > >>> board for this reporting cycle.
> > >>>
> > >>> John
> > >>>
> > >>> On Fri, Sep 29, 2017 at 5:18 AM David Goddard <go...@acm.org>
> wrote:
> > >>>
> > >>>> I’m a latecomer - I don’t think I used JSON4J…
> > >>>>
> > >>>> Until the logo discussion I hadn’t realised Juneau was named after
> an
> > >>>> Alaskan town - I thought of it as Juno with a French accent.
> > >>>>
> > >>>> Formally: +1 from me for initiating graduation.
> > >>>>
> > >>>>> On 27 Sep 2017, at 17:35, James Bognar <ja...@apache.org>
> > >> wrote:
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>> Yea...it's been through the following names...
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>> JSON4J (back in 2007)
> > >>>>> JJSON - Changed because JSON4J was used by SEVERAL other projects.
> > >>>>> Juno - Changed because it evolved into more than just a JSON
> toolkit.
> > >>>>> Juneau - Changed because the Eclipse foundation took the name
> 'Juno'.
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>> On Wed, Sep 27, 2017 at 11:13 AM, David Goddard <go...@acm.org>
> > >>>> wrote:
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>>> I think Juneau is the third name it’s been through since I’ve been
> > >>>> using
> > >>>>>> it… I’m happy to stick with that :)
> > >>>>>>
> > >>>>>>> On 27 Sep 2017, at 14:39, James Bognar <ja...@apache.org>
> > >>>> wrote:
> > >>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>> BTW....before I begin, is the team comfortable with the name
> > >> "Juneau"?
> > >>>>>> Or
> > >>>>>>> do we want to try to come up with something else?
> > >>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>> On Wed, Sep 27, 2017 at 9:11 AM, James Bognar <
> > >> jamesbognar@apache.org
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>>>> wrote:
> > >>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>>> Yep...I'll get started on the podling name search.
> > >>>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>>> Here are the releases so far:
> > >>>>>>>> 6.0.0 - Oct 3, 2016
> > >>>>>>>> 6.0.1 - Jan 3, 2017
> > >>>>>>>> 6.1.0 - Feb 25, 2017
> > >>>>>>>> 6.2.0 - Apr 28, 2017
> > >>>>>>>> 6.3.0 - Jun 30, 2017
> > >>>>>>>> 6.3.1 - Aug 1, 2017
> > >>>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>>> On Tue, Sep 26, 2017 at 7:45 PM, John D. Ament <
> > >>>> johndament@apache.org>
> > >>>>>>>> wrote:
> > >>>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>>>> It depends on what you're trying to update. I'll go through it
> > >>>> tonight
> > >>>>>>>>> and
> > >>>>>>>>> apply updates, but it may help if I had a full list of releases
> > >> and
> > >>>>>> dates
> > >>>>>>>>> we have performed (I can probably dig it up via e-mail).
> > >>>>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>>>> I pointed out before, the podling name search is not complete
> for
> > >>>>>> Juneau.
> > >>>>>>>>> We'll want to submit that before formally talking about
> > >> graduation.
> > >>>>>> Can
> > >>>>>>>>> you submit this James?
> > >>>>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>>>> John
> > >>>>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>>>> On Tue, Sep 26, 2017 at 5:55 PM James Bognar <
> > >> jamesbognar@gmail.com
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>>>>>> wrote:
> > >>>>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>>>>> Stupid question....is the juneau.html page used anymore? I
> > >>>> thought it
> > >>>>>>>>> was
> > >>>>>>>>>> taken over by the Whimsy page.
> > >>>>>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>>>>> On Tue, Sep 26, 2017 at 5:38 PM, Craig Russell <
> > >>>> apache.clr@gmail.com>
> > >>>>>>>>>> wrote:
> > >>>>>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>>>>>> As part of the discussion, please review
> > >>>>>>>>> https://incubator.apache.org/
> > >>>>>>>>>>> guides/graduation.html for information and review
> > >>>>>>>>>>> http://incubator.apache.org/projects/juneau.html for
> > >> completeness
> > >>>>>> and
> > >>>>>>>>>>> accuracy. If you do not have karma to update the juneau.html
> > let
> > >>>>>>>>> mentors
> > >>>>>>>>>>> know.
> > >>>>>>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>>>>>> I think Juneau is pretty close to graduation.
> > >>>>>>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>>>>>> Craig
> > >>>>>>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>>>>>>> On Sep 26, 2017, at 1:57 PM, James Bognar <
> > >>>> jamesbognar@apache.org>
> > >>>>>>>>>>> wrote:
> > >>>>>>>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>>>>>>> Steve and Raphi have now been added as PPMC members to the
> > >> team.
> > >>>>>>>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>>>>>>> Thoughts by the team on starting graduation discussion?
> > >>>>>>>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>>>>>>> On Tue, Sep 12, 2017 at 4:16 PM, James Bognar <
> > >>>>>>>>> jamesbognar@apache.org>
> > >>>>>>>>>>>> wrote:
> > >>>>>>>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>>>>>>>> I'm going off of the PPMC roster...
> > >>>>>>>>>>>>> https://whimsy.apache.org/roster/ppmc/juneau
> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>>>>>>>> On Tue, Sep 12, 2017 at 4:08 PM, John D. Ament <
> > >>>>>>>>> johndament@apache.org
> > >>>>>>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>>>>>>>> wrote:
> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> Who are the six you are counting?
> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Tue, Sep 12, 2017 at 4:04 PM James Bognar <
> > >>>>>>>>> jamesbognar@apache.org
> > >>>>>>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> wrote:
> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I think we should start a discussion on whether we're
> ready
> > >> to
> > >>>>>>>>>>> graduate
> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> as
> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> a TLP.
> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> We joined as an incubator project in June 2016. Since
> then
> > >>>> we've
> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> released
> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 6 versions of Apache Juneau (6.4.0 will be the 7th) and
> > >>>>>>>>> accomplished
> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> significant collaboration with the Apache Streams team.
> > All
> > >>>>>>>>>> releases
> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> have
> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> gone smoothly, and we've introduced an impressive number
> of
> > >>>> new
> > >>>>>>>>>>> features
> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> and enhancements over that time.
> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> We currently have 6 active members in the PPMC. This is
> a
> > >> bit
> > >>>>>>>>> light
> > >>>>>>>>>>> for
> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> graduation, but I'm confident that this will continue to
> > >> grow
> > >>>>>>>>> once
> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> we're a
> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> TLP.
> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> What say we?
> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>>>>>> Craig L Russell
> > >>>>>>>>>>> Secretary, Apache Software Foundation
> > >>>>>>>>>>> clr@apache.org http://db.apache.org/jdo
> > >>>>>>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>
> > >>>>>>
> > >>>>
> > >>>>
> > >>
> >
> > Craig L Russell
> > Secretary, Apache Software Foundation
> > clr@apache.org http://db.apache.org/jdo
> >
> >
>
Re: [DISCUSSION] Ready for graduation?
Posted by "John D. Ament" <jo...@apache.org>.
I'd also be happy to stay on the PMC.
I've mentioned before what I'd like to see the flow be, based on what I've
seen as successful.
- Have a formal discussion here, if we think we're good that's fine.
- Start a vote. We'll want to forward the vote to the IPMC on general@
- Prepare the charter, Craig's sent out links for this
- Once we've agreed on the charter here, use that as the basis for
discussion on general@incubator
- Start & complete the vote (normal 72 hour window)
Once we get through that, we'll go over how to submit the resolution to the
board.
I have updated the status file if anyone else can review it -
http://incubator.apache.org/projects/juneau.html
James, if you can send out specifically what links are broken that would
help. The most common issue I've seen is link: not converting properly.
It's a weird reason each time.
John
On Sun, Oct 1, 2017 at 8:24 PM Craig Russell <ap...@gmail.com> wrote:
> Next step would be to draft a graduation proposal, which you can find
> here: https://whimsy.apache.org/roster/ppmc/juneau
>
> The page suggests discussing the proposal on the PPMC private list but I
> think there is benefit in discussing on the dev list.
>
> Circulate the proposal, see if everyone who is proposed to be on the PMC
> wants to continue. See if there is a volunteer to be PMC chair, recognizing
> that PMC chair is simply administrative not leadership.
>
> Personally, I'd like to continue to contribute as part of the PMC.
>
> Craig
>
> > On Oct 1, 2017, at 12:26 PM, James Bognar <ja...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >
> > I think we’re in agreement that we would like to go forward (or at least
> I
> > haven’t seen any objections). I think we should start a vote.
> >
> > I’ll be willing to work on the proposal/charter.
> >
> > BTW....this page has many dead links...
> > https://incubator.apache.org/guides/graduation.html
> >
> >
> > On Sun, Oct 1, 2017 at 11:11 AM John D. Ament <jo...@apache.org>
> wrote:
> >
> >> Ping.
> >>
> >> Guys, what can I do to help keep this going?
> >>
> >> John
> >>
> >> On Fri, Sep 29, 2017 at 8:54 AM John D. Ament <jo...@apache.org>
> >> wrote:
> >>
> >>> We shouldn't wait for the PNS to be complete for doing the graduation
> >>> discussions. We should keep that going and ideally get it in front of
> >> the
> >>> board for this reporting cycle.
> >>>
> >>> John
> >>>
> >>> On Fri, Sep 29, 2017 at 5:18 AM David Goddard <go...@acm.org> wrote:
> >>>
> >>>> I’m a latecomer - I don’t think I used JSON4J…
> >>>>
> >>>> Until the logo discussion I hadn’t realised Juneau was named after an
> >>>> Alaskan town - I thought of it as Juno with a French accent.
> >>>>
> >>>> Formally: +1 from me for initiating graduation.
> >>>>
> >>>>> On 27 Sep 2017, at 17:35, James Bognar <ja...@apache.org>
> >> wrote:
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Yea...it's been through the following names...
> >>>>>
> >>>>> JSON4J (back in 2007)
> >>>>> JJSON - Changed because JSON4J was used by SEVERAL other projects.
> >>>>> Juno - Changed because it evolved into more than just a JSON toolkit.
> >>>>> Juneau - Changed because the Eclipse foundation took the name 'Juno'.
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>> On Wed, Sep 27, 2017 at 11:13 AM, David Goddard <go...@acm.org>
> >>>> wrote:
> >>>>>
> >>>>>> I think Juneau is the third name it’s been through since I’ve been
> >>>> using
> >>>>>> it… I’m happy to stick with that :)
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>> On 27 Sep 2017, at 14:39, James Bognar <ja...@apache.org>
> >>>> wrote:
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> BTW....before I begin, is the team comfortable with the name
> >> "Juneau"?
> >>>>>> Or
> >>>>>>> do we want to try to come up with something else?
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> On Wed, Sep 27, 2017 at 9:11 AM, James Bognar <
> >> jamesbognar@apache.org
> >>>>>
> >>>>>>> wrote:
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> Yep...I'll get started on the podling name search.
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> Here are the releases so far:
> >>>>>>>> 6.0.0 - Oct 3, 2016
> >>>>>>>> 6.0.1 - Jan 3, 2017
> >>>>>>>> 6.1.0 - Feb 25, 2017
> >>>>>>>> 6.2.0 - Apr 28, 2017
> >>>>>>>> 6.3.0 - Jun 30, 2017
> >>>>>>>> 6.3.1 - Aug 1, 2017
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> On Tue, Sep 26, 2017 at 7:45 PM, John D. Ament <
> >>>> johndament@apache.org>
> >>>>>>>> wrote:
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>> It depends on what you're trying to update. I'll go through it
> >>>> tonight
> >>>>>>>>> and
> >>>>>>>>> apply updates, but it may help if I had a full list of releases
> >> and
> >>>>>> dates
> >>>>>>>>> we have performed (I can probably dig it up via e-mail).
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>> I pointed out before, the podling name search is not complete for
> >>>>>> Juneau.
> >>>>>>>>> We'll want to submit that before formally talking about
> >> graduation.
> >>>>>> Can
> >>>>>>>>> you submit this James?
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>> John
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>> On Tue, Sep 26, 2017 at 5:55 PM James Bognar <
> >> jamesbognar@gmail.com
> >>>>>
> >>>>>>>>> wrote:
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>> Stupid question....is the juneau.html page used anymore? I
> >>>> thought it
> >>>>>>>>> was
> >>>>>>>>>> taken over by the Whimsy page.
> >>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>> On Tue, Sep 26, 2017 at 5:38 PM, Craig Russell <
> >>>> apache.clr@gmail.com>
> >>>>>>>>>> wrote:
> >>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>> As part of the discussion, please review
> >>>>>>>>> https://incubator.apache.org/
> >>>>>>>>>>> guides/graduation.html for information and review
> >>>>>>>>>>> http://incubator.apache.org/projects/juneau.html for
> >> completeness
> >>>>>> and
> >>>>>>>>>>> accuracy. If you do not have karma to update the juneau.html
> let
> >>>>>>>>> mentors
> >>>>>>>>>>> know.
> >>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>> I think Juneau is pretty close to graduation.
> >>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>> Craig
> >>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>> On Sep 26, 2017, at 1:57 PM, James Bognar <
> >>>> jamesbognar@apache.org>
> >>>>>>>>>>> wrote:
> >>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>> Steve and Raphi have now been added as PPMC members to the
> >> team.
> >>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>> Thoughts by the team on starting graduation discussion?
> >>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>> On Tue, Sep 12, 2017 at 4:16 PM, James Bognar <
> >>>>>>>>> jamesbognar@apache.org>
> >>>>>>>>>>>> wrote:
> >>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>> I'm going off of the PPMC roster...
> >>>>>>>>>>>>> https://whimsy.apache.org/roster/ppmc/juneau
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>> On Tue, Sep 12, 2017 at 4:08 PM, John D. Ament <
> >>>>>>>>> johndament@apache.org
> >>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>> wrote:
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> Who are the six you are counting?
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Tue, Sep 12, 2017 at 4:04 PM James Bognar <
> >>>>>>>>> jamesbognar@apache.org
> >>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> wrote:
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I think we should start a discussion on whether we're ready
> >> to
> >>>>>>>>>>> graduate
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> as
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> a TLP.
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> We joined as an incubator project in June 2016. Since then
> >>>> we've
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> released
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 6 versions of Apache Juneau (6.4.0 will be the 7th) and
> >>>>>>>>> accomplished
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> significant collaboration with the Apache Streams team.
> All
> >>>>>>>>>> releases
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> have
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> gone smoothly, and we've introduced an impressive number of
> >>>> new
> >>>>>>>>>>> features
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> and enhancements over that time.
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> We currently have 6 active members in the PPMC. This is a
> >> bit
> >>>>>>>>> light
> >>>>>>>>>>> for
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> graduation, but I'm confident that this will continue to
> >> grow
> >>>>>>>>> once
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> we're a
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> TLP.
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> What say we?
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>> Craig L Russell
> >>>>>>>>>>> Secretary, Apache Software Foundation
> >>>>>>>>>>> clr@apache.org http://db.apache.org/jdo
> >>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>
>
> Craig L Russell
> Secretary, Apache Software Foundation
> clr@apache.org http://db.apache.org/jdo
>
>
Re: [DISCUSSION] Ready for graduation?
Posted by Craig Russell <ap...@gmail.com>.
Next step would be to draft a graduation proposal, which you can find here: https://whimsy.apache.org/roster/ppmc/juneau
The page suggests discussing the proposal on the PPMC private list but I think there is benefit in discussing on the dev list.
Circulate the proposal, see if everyone who is proposed to be on the PMC wants to continue. See if there is a volunteer to be PMC chair, recognizing that PMC chair is simply administrative not leadership.
Personally, I'd like to continue to contribute as part of the PMC.
Craig
> On Oct 1, 2017, at 12:26 PM, James Bognar <ja...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> I think we’re in agreement that we would like to go forward (or at least I
> haven’t seen any objections). I think we should start a vote.
>
> I’ll be willing to work on the proposal/charter.
>
> BTW....this page has many dead links...
> https://incubator.apache.org/guides/graduation.html
>
>
> On Sun, Oct 1, 2017 at 11:11 AM John D. Ament <jo...@apache.org> wrote:
>
>> Ping.
>>
>> Guys, what can I do to help keep this going?
>>
>> John
>>
>> On Fri, Sep 29, 2017 at 8:54 AM John D. Ament <jo...@apache.org>
>> wrote:
>>
>>> We shouldn't wait for the PNS to be complete for doing the graduation
>>> discussions. We should keep that going and ideally get it in front of
>> the
>>> board for this reporting cycle.
>>>
>>> John
>>>
>>> On Fri, Sep 29, 2017 at 5:18 AM David Goddard <go...@acm.org> wrote:
>>>
>>>> I’m a latecomer - I don’t think I used JSON4J…
>>>>
>>>> Until the logo discussion I hadn’t realised Juneau was named after an
>>>> Alaskan town - I thought of it as Juno with a French accent.
>>>>
>>>> Formally: +1 from me for initiating graduation.
>>>>
>>>>> On 27 Sep 2017, at 17:35, James Bognar <ja...@apache.org>
>> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> Yea...it's been through the following names...
>>>>>
>>>>> JSON4J (back in 2007)
>>>>> JJSON - Changed because JSON4J was used by SEVERAL other projects.
>>>>> Juno - Changed because it evolved into more than just a JSON toolkit.
>>>>> Juneau - Changed because the Eclipse foundation took the name 'Juno'.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> On Wed, Sep 27, 2017 at 11:13 AM, David Goddard <go...@acm.org>
>>>> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> I think Juneau is the third name it’s been through since I’ve been
>>>> using
>>>>>> it… I’m happy to stick with that :)
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On 27 Sep 2017, at 14:39, James Bognar <ja...@apache.org>
>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> BTW....before I begin, is the team comfortable with the name
>> "Juneau"?
>>>>>> Or
>>>>>>> do we want to try to come up with something else?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On Wed, Sep 27, 2017 at 9:11 AM, James Bognar <
>> jamesbognar@apache.org
>>>>>
>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Yep...I'll get started on the podling name search.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Here are the releases so far:
>>>>>>>> 6.0.0 - Oct 3, 2016
>>>>>>>> 6.0.1 - Jan 3, 2017
>>>>>>>> 6.1.0 - Feb 25, 2017
>>>>>>>> 6.2.0 - Apr 28, 2017
>>>>>>>> 6.3.0 - Jun 30, 2017
>>>>>>>> 6.3.1 - Aug 1, 2017
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> On Tue, Sep 26, 2017 at 7:45 PM, John D. Ament <
>>>> johndament@apache.org>
>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> It depends on what you're trying to update. I'll go through it
>>>> tonight
>>>>>>>>> and
>>>>>>>>> apply updates, but it may help if I had a full list of releases
>> and
>>>>>> dates
>>>>>>>>> we have performed (I can probably dig it up via e-mail).
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> I pointed out before, the podling name search is not complete for
>>>>>> Juneau.
>>>>>>>>> We'll want to submit that before formally talking about
>> graduation.
>>>>>> Can
>>>>>>>>> you submit this James?
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> John
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> On Tue, Sep 26, 2017 at 5:55 PM James Bognar <
>> jamesbognar@gmail.com
>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Stupid question....is the juneau.html page used anymore? I
>>>> thought it
>>>>>>>>> was
>>>>>>>>>> taken over by the Whimsy page.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> On Tue, Sep 26, 2017 at 5:38 PM, Craig Russell <
>>>> apache.clr@gmail.com>
>>>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> As part of the discussion, please review
>>>>>>>>> https://incubator.apache.org/
>>>>>>>>>>> guides/graduation.html for information and review
>>>>>>>>>>> http://incubator.apache.org/projects/juneau.html for
>> completeness
>>>>>> and
>>>>>>>>>>> accuracy. If you do not have karma to update the juneau.html let
>>>>>>>>> mentors
>>>>>>>>>>> know.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> I think Juneau is pretty close to graduation.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Craig
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> On Sep 26, 2017, at 1:57 PM, James Bognar <
>>>> jamesbognar@apache.org>
>>>>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> Steve and Raphi have now been added as PPMC members to the
>> team.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> Thoughts by the team on starting graduation discussion?
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> On Tue, Sep 12, 2017 at 4:16 PM, James Bognar <
>>>>>>>>> jamesbognar@apache.org>
>>>>>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> I'm going off of the PPMC roster...
>>>>>>>>>>>>> https://whimsy.apache.org/roster/ppmc/juneau
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Tue, Sep 12, 2017 at 4:08 PM, John D. Ament <
>>>>>>>>> johndament@apache.org
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Who are the six you are counting?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Tue, Sep 12, 2017 at 4:04 PM James Bognar <
>>>>>>>>> jamesbognar@apache.org
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I think we should start a discussion on whether we're ready
>> to
>>>>>>>>>>> graduate
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> as
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> a TLP.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> We joined as an incubator project in June 2016. Since then
>>>> we've
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> released
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 6 versions of Apache Juneau (6.4.0 will be the 7th) and
>>>>>>>>> accomplished
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> significant collaboration with the Apache Streams team. All
>>>>>>>>>> releases
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> have
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> gone smoothly, and we've introduced an impressive number of
>>>> new
>>>>>>>>>>> features
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> and enhancements over that time.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> We currently have 6 active members in the PPMC. This is a
>> bit
>>>>>>>>> light
>>>>>>>>>>> for
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> graduation, but I'm confident that this will continue to
>> grow
>>>>>>>>> once
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> we're a
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> TLP.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> What say we?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Craig L Russell
>>>>>>>>>>> Secretary, Apache Software Foundation
>>>>>>>>>>> clr@apache.org http://db.apache.org/jdo
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>
Craig L Russell
Secretary, Apache Software Foundation
clr@apache.org http://db.apache.org/jdo
Re: [DISCUSSION] Ready for graduation?
Posted by James Bognar <ja...@gmail.com>.
I think we’re in agreement that we would like to go forward (or at least I
haven’t seen any objections). I think we should start a vote.
I’ll be willing to work on the proposal/charter.
BTW....this page has many dead links...
https://incubator.apache.org/guides/graduation.html
On Sun, Oct 1, 2017 at 11:11 AM John D. Ament <jo...@apache.org> wrote:
> Ping.
>
> Guys, what can I do to help keep this going?
>
> John
>
> On Fri, Sep 29, 2017 at 8:54 AM John D. Ament <jo...@apache.org>
> wrote:
>
> > We shouldn't wait for the PNS to be complete for doing the graduation
> > discussions. We should keep that going and ideally get it in front of
> the
> > board for this reporting cycle.
> >
> > John
> >
> > On Fri, Sep 29, 2017 at 5:18 AM David Goddard <go...@acm.org> wrote:
> >
> >> I’m a latecomer - I don’t think I used JSON4J…
> >>
> >> Until the logo discussion I hadn’t realised Juneau was named after an
> >> Alaskan town - I thought of it as Juno with a French accent.
> >>
> >> Formally: +1 from me for initiating graduation.
> >>
> >> > On 27 Sep 2017, at 17:35, James Bognar <ja...@apache.org>
> wrote:
> >> >
> >> > Yea...it's been through the following names...
> >> >
> >> > JSON4J (back in 2007)
> >> > JJSON - Changed because JSON4J was used by SEVERAL other projects.
> >> > Juno - Changed because it evolved into more than just a JSON toolkit.
> >> > Juneau - Changed because the Eclipse foundation took the name 'Juno'.
> >> >
> >> >
> >> >
> >> > On Wed, Sep 27, 2017 at 11:13 AM, David Goddard <go...@acm.org>
> >> wrote:
> >> >
> >> >> I think Juneau is the third name it’s been through since I’ve been
> >> using
> >> >> it… I’m happy to stick with that :)
> >> >>
> >> >>> On 27 Sep 2017, at 14:39, James Bognar <ja...@apache.org>
> >> wrote:
> >> >>>
> >> >>> BTW....before I begin, is the team comfortable with the name
> "Juneau"?
> >> >> Or
> >> >>> do we want to try to come up with something else?
> >> >>>
> >> >>> On Wed, Sep 27, 2017 at 9:11 AM, James Bognar <
> jamesbognar@apache.org
> >> >
> >> >>> wrote:
> >> >>>
> >> >>>> Yep...I'll get started on the podling name search.
> >> >>>>
> >> >>>> Here are the releases so far:
> >> >>>> 6.0.0 - Oct 3, 2016
> >> >>>> 6.0.1 - Jan 3, 2017
> >> >>>> 6.1.0 - Feb 25, 2017
> >> >>>> 6.2.0 - Apr 28, 2017
> >> >>>> 6.3.0 - Jun 30, 2017
> >> >>>> 6.3.1 - Aug 1, 2017
> >> >>>>
> >> >>>> On Tue, Sep 26, 2017 at 7:45 PM, John D. Ament <
> >> johndament@apache.org>
> >> >>>> wrote:
> >> >>>>
> >> >>>>> It depends on what you're trying to update. I'll go through it
> >> tonight
> >> >>>>> and
> >> >>>>> apply updates, but it may help if I had a full list of releases
> and
> >> >> dates
> >> >>>>> we have performed (I can probably dig it up via e-mail).
> >> >>>>>
> >> >>>>> I pointed out before, the podling name search is not complete for
> >> >> Juneau.
> >> >>>>> We'll want to submit that before formally talking about
> graduation.
> >> >> Can
> >> >>>>> you submit this James?
> >> >>>>>
> >> >>>>> John
> >> >>>>>
> >> >>>>> On Tue, Sep 26, 2017 at 5:55 PM James Bognar <
> jamesbognar@gmail.com
> >> >
> >> >>>>> wrote:
> >> >>>>>
> >> >>>>>> Stupid question....is the juneau.html page used anymore? I
> >> thought it
> >> >>>>> was
> >> >>>>>> taken over by the Whimsy page.
> >> >>>>>>
> >> >>>>>> On Tue, Sep 26, 2017 at 5:38 PM, Craig Russell <
> >> apache.clr@gmail.com>
> >> >>>>>> wrote:
> >> >>>>>>
> >> >>>>>>> As part of the discussion, please review
> >> >>>>> https://incubator.apache.org/
> >> >>>>>>> guides/graduation.html for information and review
> >> >>>>>>> http://incubator.apache.org/projects/juneau.html for
> completeness
> >> >> and
> >> >>>>>>> accuracy. If you do not have karma to update the juneau.html let
> >> >>>>> mentors
> >> >>>>>>> know.
> >> >>>>>>>
> >> >>>>>>> I think Juneau is pretty close to graduation.
> >> >>>>>>>
> >> >>>>>>> Craig
> >> >>>>>>>
> >> >>>>>>>> On Sep 26, 2017, at 1:57 PM, James Bognar <
> >> jamesbognar@apache.org>
> >> >>>>>>> wrote:
> >> >>>>>>>>
> >> >>>>>>>> Steve and Raphi have now been added as PPMC members to the
> team.
> >> >>>>>>>>
> >> >>>>>>>> Thoughts by the team on starting graduation discussion?
> >> >>>>>>>>
> >> >>>>>>>> On Tue, Sep 12, 2017 at 4:16 PM, James Bognar <
> >> >>>>> jamesbognar@apache.org>
> >> >>>>>>>> wrote:
> >> >>>>>>>>
> >> >>>>>>>>> I'm going off of the PPMC roster...
> >> >>>>>>>>> https://whimsy.apache.org/roster/ppmc/juneau
> >> >>>>>>>>>
> >> >>>>>>>>> On Tue, Sep 12, 2017 at 4:08 PM, John D. Ament <
> >> >>>>> johndament@apache.org
> >> >>>>>>>
> >> >>>>>>>>> wrote:
> >> >>>>>>>>>
> >> >>>>>>>>>> Who are the six you are counting?
> >> >>>>>>>>>>
> >> >>>>>>>>>> On Tue, Sep 12, 2017 at 4:04 PM James Bognar <
> >> >>>>> jamesbognar@apache.org
> >> >>>>>>>
> >> >>>>>>>>>> wrote:
> >> >>>>>>>>>>
> >> >>>>>>>>>>> I think we should start a discussion on whether we're ready
> to
> >> >>>>>>> graduate
> >> >>>>>>>>>> as
> >> >>>>>>>>>>> a TLP.
> >> >>>>>>>>>>>
> >> >>>>>>>>>>> We joined as an incubator project in June 2016. Since then
> >> we've
> >> >>>>>>>>>> released
> >> >>>>>>>>>>> 6 versions of Apache Juneau (6.4.0 will be the 7th) and
> >> >>>>> accomplished
> >> >>>>>>>>>>> significant collaboration with the Apache Streams team. All
> >> >>>>>> releases
> >> >>>>>>>>>> have
> >> >>>>>>>>>>> gone smoothly, and we've introduced an impressive number of
> >> new
> >> >>>>>>> features
> >> >>>>>>>>>>> and enhancements over that time.
> >> >>>>>>>>>>>
> >> >>>>>>>>>>> We currently have 6 active members in the PPMC. This is a
> bit
> >> >>>>> light
> >> >>>>>>> for
> >> >>>>>>>>>>> graduation, but I'm confident that this will continue to
> grow
> >> >>>>> once
> >> >>>>>>>>>> we're a
> >> >>>>>>>>>>> TLP.
> >> >>>>>>>>>>>
> >> >>>>>>>>>>> What say we?
> >> >>>>>>>>>>>
> >> >>>>>>>>>>
> >> >>>>>>>>>
> >> >>>>>>>>>
> >> >>>>>>>
> >> >>>>>>> Craig L Russell
> >> >>>>>>> Secretary, Apache Software Foundation
> >> >>>>>>> clr@apache.org http://db.apache.org/jdo
> >> >>>>>>>
> >> >>>>>>>
> >> >>>>>>
> >> >>>>>
> >> >>>>
> >> >>>>
> >> >>
> >> >>
> >>
> >>
>