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Posted to adffaces-dev@incubator.apache.org by Matthias Wessendorf <ma...@apache.org> on 2007/04/11 21:04:20 UTC
VOTE graduation (was Re: Next steps? (was Re: Is trinidad ready for graduation ?))
Hello Trinidad PPMC members and Trinidad community,
we have discussed during the last months (time by time, not permanent)
that Trinidad is ready to graduate from the Apache Incubator; we also
managed to get releases of the artifacts out. Main question is (see
the original email threads) should Trinidad be a subproject of Apache
MyFaces or should it be a TLP.
Please cast your votes (only one is possible):
[ ] graduate as a subproject of the Apache MyFaces community
[ ] graduate as a TLP
[ ] not ready to graduate, because...
-Matthias
On 4/11/07, Matthias Wessendorf <ma...@apache.org> wrote:
> The dependency will be also the same, if we (MyFaces) go the proposed
> route w/ Trinidad as the base for Tomahawk².
>
> -Matthias
>
> On 4/11/07, Martin Marinschek <ma...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > As long as the community is somewhat similar (at least there are
> > people in both communities), I'm +1 for taking it in under MyFaces. My
> > only problem with the subproject approach is that when RCF comes out,
> > we'll have two sub projects where one sub project depends on the other
> > - kind of awkward.
> >
> > regards,
> >
> > Martin
> >
> > On 4/11/07, Jeanne Waldman <je...@oracle.com> wrote:
> > > Simon,
> > > I like your arguments and after reading this thread, I like the idea
> > > of a subproject better than a TLP too. I wanted to comment so
> > > ya'll will know there are more people reading the thread and
> > > forming an opinion than have been commenting thus far. :)
> > > - Jeanne
> > >
> > > Simon Lessard wrote:
> > > > Personally I don't think a TLP would be a good idea just yet since JSF is
> > > > still relatively new compared to some older well known frameworks. I
> > > > think
> > > > it's easier for new users to find all they need from one entry point and
> > > > MyFaces seems the right place for that, at least for now.
> > > >
> > > > Also, being a subproject will probably improve the users' confidence in
> > > > library compatibility as well as encourage that compatibility to be
> > > > kept/improved by developers.
> > > >
> > > > It may just be a feeling, but it seems to me that making Trinidad TLP
> > > > right
> > > > away would make it look a bit like a loner, especially since Tobago and
> > > > Tomahawk are MyFaces sub projects. If JSF component sets should be
> > > > TLP(s),
> > > > then I think it should be done all at the same time, and this cannot be
> > > > achieved until we harmonize Tomahawk, Trinidad and Tobago imho.
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > My 2¢,
> > > >
> > > > ~ Simon
> > > >
> > > > On 4/11/07, Matthias Wessendorf <ma...@apache.org> wrote:
> > > >>
> > > >> That was also a point of Noel, when proposing the RCF donation thing.
> > > >> He was asking, why not having a "JSF components" project.
> > > >>
> > > >> Perhaps that might be an interesting option, not sure yet; but when
> > > >> RCF arrives somewhen.. there would be another component set.
> > > >>
> > > >> Perhaps we should move the discussion for a "split" to the MyFaces DEV
> > > >> list, that the MyFaces PMC is also able to comment.
> > > >>
> > > >> The components project could have a similar fashion like Jakarta.
> > > >>
> > > >> But since this isn't yet the case, I'd agree that a subproject is the
> > > >> best, for now.
> > > >>
> > > >> -Matthias
> > > >>
> > > >> On 4/11/07, Adam Winer <aw...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > > >> > If there was an idea to split MyFaces into an implementation
> > > >> > half and a component set half, each as separate TLPs, then
> > > >> > I'd see your point - but as it is, MyFaces the TLP is both
> > > >> > an implementation and (currently) 2 component sets.
> > > >> >
> > > >> > -- Adam
> > > >> >
> > > >> >
> > > >> > On 4/10/07, Martin van den Bemt <ml...@mvdb.net> wrote:
> > > >> > > Sorry for the one in all reply..
> > > >> > >
> > > >> > > Ok, let's switch perspective's here. MyFaces (the codebase) is a JSF
> > > >> implementation.
> > > >> > > Tomahawk and Trinidad are JSF component sets. I am not comparing the
> > > >> possible overlap of the
> > > >> > > component sets, I am focussing on the possible lack of overlap in
> > > >> community of the JSF
> > > >> > > implementation and the component sets. Different goals, different
> > > >> users and different developers
> > > >> > > (although the last is not yet the case, it is most likely someone
> > > >> interested in components is not
> > > >> > > interested in coding on the JSF implementation).
> > > >> > >
> > > >> > > Just playing bad cop here though, to hopefully prevent this
> > > >> situation
> > > >> (if you are aware of these
> > > >> > > signs you can watch out for it)
> > > >> > >
> > > >> > > Not going to vote -1 on a move to MyFaces.
> > > >> > >
> > > >> > > Mvgr,
> > > >> > > Martin
> > > >> > >
> > > >> >
> > > >>
> > > >>
> > > >> --
> > > >> Matthias Wessendorf
> > > >> http://tinyurl.com/fmywh
> > > >>
> > > >> further stuff:
> > > >> blog: http://jroller.com/page/mwessendorf
> > > >> mail: mwessendorf-at-gmail-dot-com
> > > >>
> > > >
> > >
> >
> >
> > --
> >
> > http://www.irian.at
> >
> > Your JSF powerhouse -
> > JSF Consulting, Development and
> > Courses in English and German
> >
> > Professional Support for Apache MyFaces
> >
>
>
> --
> Matthias Wessendorf
> http://tinyurl.com/fmywh
>
> further stuff:
> blog: http://jroller.com/page/mwessendorf
> mail: mwessendorf-at-gmail-dot-com
>
--
Matthias Wessendorf
http://tinyurl.com/fmywh
further stuff:
blog: http://jroller.com/page/mwessendorf
mail: mwessendorf-at-gmail-dot-com
Re: VOTE graduation (was Re: Next steps? (was Re: Is trinidad ready for graduation ?))
Posted by Bruno Aranda <br...@gmail.com>.
[X] graduate as a subproject of the Apache MyFaces community
[ ] graduate as a TLP
[ ] not ready to graduate, because...
On 12/04/07, Grant Smith <wo...@gmail.com> wrote:
> [X] graduate as a subproject of the Apache MyFaces community
> [ ] graduate as a TLP
> [ ] not ready to graduate, because...
>
> On 4/11/07, Adam Winer <aw...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >
> > [X] graduate as a subproject of the Apache MyFaces community
> > [ ] graduate as a TLP
> > [ ] not ready to graduate, because...
> >
> >
> > On 4/11/07, Jeanne Waldman <je...@oracle.com> wrote:
> > > [X] graduate as a subproject of the Apache MyFaces community
> > > [ ] graduate as a TLP
> > > [ ] not ready to graduate, because...
> > >
> > > Simon Lessard wrote:
> > > > [X] graduate as a subproject of the Apache MyFaces community
> > > > [ ] graduate as a TLP
> > > > [ ] not ready to graduate, because...
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > On 4/11/07, Craig McClanahan <cr...@apache.org> wrote:
> > > >>
> > > >> On 4/11/07, Matthias Wessendorf <ma...@apache.org> wrote:
> > > >> > [X] graduate as a subproject of the Apache MyFaces community
> > > >>
> > > >> Craig
> > > >>
> > > >> PS: Note that "binding" is only relevant on release votes, where
> > it's
> > > >> a PMC member doing the voting. For procedural issues (like this
> > one),
> > > >> all committers are equal.
> > > >>
> > > >
> > >
> >
>
>
>
> --
> Grant Smith
>
Re: VOTE graduation (was Re: Next steps? (was Re: Is trinidad ready for graduation ?))
Posted by Grant Smith <wo...@gmail.com>.
[X] graduate as a subproject of the Apache MyFaces community
[ ] graduate as a TLP
[ ] not ready to graduate, because...
On 4/11/07, Adam Winer <aw...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> [X] graduate as a subproject of the Apache MyFaces community
> [ ] graduate as a TLP
> [ ] not ready to graduate, because...
>
>
> On 4/11/07, Jeanne Waldman <je...@oracle.com> wrote:
> > [X] graduate as a subproject of the Apache MyFaces community
> > [ ] graduate as a TLP
> > [ ] not ready to graduate, because...
> >
> > Simon Lessard wrote:
> > > [X] graduate as a subproject of the Apache MyFaces community
> > > [ ] graduate as a TLP
> > > [ ] not ready to graduate, because...
> > >
> > >
> > > On 4/11/07, Craig McClanahan <cr...@apache.org> wrote:
> > >>
> > >> On 4/11/07, Matthias Wessendorf <ma...@apache.org> wrote:
> > >> > [X] graduate as a subproject of the Apache MyFaces community
> > >>
> > >> Craig
> > >>
> > >> PS: Note that "binding" is only relevant on release votes, where
> it's
> > >> a PMC member doing the voting. For procedural issues (like this
> one),
> > >> all committers are equal.
> > >>
> > >
> >
>
--
Grant Smith
Re: VOTE graduation (was Re: Next steps? (was Re: Is trinidad ready for graduation ?))
Posted by Adam Winer <aw...@gmail.com>.
[X] graduate as a subproject of the Apache MyFaces community
[ ] graduate as a TLP
[ ] not ready to graduate, because...
On 4/11/07, Jeanne Waldman <je...@oracle.com> wrote:
> [X] graduate as a subproject of the Apache MyFaces community
> [ ] graduate as a TLP
> [ ] not ready to graduate, because...
>
> Simon Lessard wrote:
> > [X] graduate as a subproject of the Apache MyFaces community
> > [ ] graduate as a TLP
> > [ ] not ready to graduate, because...
> >
> >
> > On 4/11/07, Craig McClanahan <cr...@apache.org> wrote:
> >>
> >> On 4/11/07, Matthias Wessendorf <ma...@apache.org> wrote:
> >> > [X] graduate as a subproject of the Apache MyFaces community
> >>
> >> Craig
> >>
> >> PS: Note that "binding" is only relevant on release votes, where it's
> >> a PMC member doing the voting. For procedural issues (like this one),
> >> all committers are equal.
> >>
> >
>
Re: VOTE graduation (was Re: Next steps? (was Re: Is trinidad ready
for graduation ?))
Posted by Jeanne Waldman <je...@oracle.com>.
[X] graduate as a subproject of the Apache MyFaces community
[ ] graduate as a TLP
[ ] not ready to graduate, because...
Simon Lessard wrote:
> [X] graduate as a subproject of the Apache MyFaces community
> [ ] graduate as a TLP
> [ ] not ready to graduate, because...
>
>
> On 4/11/07, Craig McClanahan <cr...@apache.org> wrote:
>>
>> On 4/11/07, Matthias Wessendorf <ma...@apache.org> wrote:
>> > [X] graduate as a subproject of the Apache MyFaces community
>>
>> Craig
>>
>> PS: Note that "binding" is only relevant on release votes, where it's
>> a PMC member doing the voting. For procedural issues (like this one),
>> all committers are equal.
>>
>
Re: VOTE graduation (was Re: Next steps? (was Re: Is trinidad ready for graduation ?))
Posted by Simon Lessard <si...@gmail.com>.
[X] graduate as a subproject of the Apache MyFaces community
[ ] graduate as a TLP
[ ] not ready to graduate, because...
On 4/11/07, Craig McClanahan <cr...@apache.org> wrote:
>
> On 4/11/07, Matthias Wessendorf <ma...@apache.org> wrote:
> > [X] graduate as a subproject of the Apache MyFaces community
>
> Craig
>
> PS: Note that "binding" is only relevant on release votes, where it's
> a PMC member doing the voting. For procedural issues (like this one),
> all committers are equal.
>
Re: VOTE graduation (was Re: Next steps? (was Re: Is trinidad ready for graduation ?))
Posted by Craig McClanahan <cr...@apache.org>.
On 4/11/07, Matthias Wessendorf <ma...@apache.org> wrote:
> [X] graduate as a subproject of the Apache MyFaces community
Craig
PS: Note that "binding" is only relevant on release votes, where it's
a PMC member doing the voting. For procedural issues (like this one),
all committers are equal.
Re: [Result] Re: VOTE graduation (was Re: Next steps? (was Re: Is trinidad ready for graduation ?))
Posted by Matthias Wessendorf <ma...@apache.org>.
The vote thread can be viewed here:
http://mail-archives.apache.org/mod_mbox/incubator-general/200704.mbox/%3c71235db40704181324n4baf6527k1b7c8a9f85260d87@mail.gmail.com%3e
-Matthias
On 4/18/07, Matthias Wessendorf <ma...@apache.org> wrote:
> Hi,
>
> > I'll open a vote thread on MyFaces' dev list.
>
>
> we got 13 +1 votes on the MyFaces dev list.
>
> I'll follow up with a vote on general @ incubator to get approval for
> the graduation as a MyFaces subproject.
>
> I'll keep you posted.
>
> -Matthias
>
>
> > Greetings,
> > Matthias
> >
> > On 4/11/07, Matthias Wessendorf <ma...@apache.org> wrote:
> > > Hello Trinidad PPMC members and Trinidad community,
> > >
> > > we have discussed during the last months (time by time, not permanent)
> > > that Trinidad is ready to graduate from the Apache Incubator; we also
> > > managed to get releases of the artifacts out. Main question is (see
> > > the original email threads) should Trinidad be a subproject of Apache
> > > MyFaces or should it be a TLP.
> > >
> > > Please cast your votes (only one is possible):
> > >
> > > [ ] graduate as a subproject of the Apache MyFaces community
> > > [ ] graduate as a TLP
> > > [ ] not ready to graduate, because...
> > >
> > >
> > > -Matthias
> > >
> > > On 4/11/07, Matthias Wessendorf <ma...@apache.org> wrote:
> > > > The dependency will be also the same, if we (MyFaces) go the proposed
> > > > route w/ Trinidad as the base for Tomahawk².
> > > >
> > > > -Matthias
> > > >
> > > > On 4/11/07, Martin Marinschek <ma...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > > > > As long as the community is somewhat similar (at least there are
> > > > > people in both communities), I'm +1 for taking it in under MyFaces. My
> > > > > only problem with the subproject approach is that when RCF comes out,
> > > > > we'll have two sub projects where one sub project depends on the other
> > > > > - kind of awkward.
> > > > >
> > > > > regards,
> > > > >
> > > > > Martin
> > > > >
> > > > > On 4/11/07, Jeanne Waldman <je...@oracle.com> wrote:
> > > > > > Simon,
> > > > > > I like your arguments and after reading this thread, I like the idea
> > > > > > of a subproject better than a TLP too. I wanted to comment so
> > > > > > ya'll will know there are more people reading the thread and
> > > > > > forming an opinion than have been commenting thus far. :)
> > > > > > - Jeanne
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Simon Lessard wrote:
> > > > > > > Personally I don't think a TLP would be a good idea just yet since JSF is
> > > > > > > still relatively new compared to some older well known frameworks. I
> > > > > > > think
> > > > > > > it's easier for new users to find all they need from one entry point and
> > > > > > > MyFaces seems the right place for that, at least for now.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Also, being a subproject will probably improve the users' confidence in
> > > > > > > library compatibility as well as encourage that compatibility to be
> > > > > > > kept/improved by developers.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > It may just be a feeling, but it seems to me that making Trinidad TLP
> > > > > > > right
> > > > > > > away would make it look a bit like a loner, especially since Tobago and
> > > > > > > Tomahawk are MyFaces sub projects. If JSF component sets should be
> > > > > > > TLP(s),
> > > > > > > then I think it should be done all at the same time, and this cannot be
> > > > > > > achieved until we harmonize Tomahawk, Trinidad and Tobago imho.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > My 2¢,
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > ~ Simon
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > On 4/11/07, Matthias Wessendorf <ma...@apache.org> wrote:
> > > > > > >>
> > > > > > >> That was also a point of Noel, when proposing the RCF donation thing.
> > > > > > >> He was asking, why not having a "JSF components" project.
> > > > > > >>
> > > > > > >> Perhaps that might be an interesting option, not sure yet; but when
> > > > > > >> RCF arrives somewhen.. there would be another component set.
> > > > > > >>
> > > > > > >> Perhaps we should move the discussion for a "split" to the MyFaces DEV
> > > > > > >> list, that the MyFaces PMC is also able to comment.
> > > > > > >>
> > > > > > >> The components project could have a similar fashion like Jakarta.
> > > > > > >>
> > > > > > >> But since this isn't yet the case, I'd agree that a subproject is the
> > > > > > >> best, for now.
> > > > > > >>
> > > > > > >> -Matthias
> > > > > > >>
> > > > > > >> On 4/11/07, Adam Winer <aw...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > > > > > >> > If there was an idea to split MyFaces into an implementation
> > > > > > >> > half and a component set half, each as separate TLPs, then
> > > > > > >> > I'd see your point - but as it is, MyFaces the TLP is both
> > > > > > >> > an implementation and (currently) 2 component sets.
> > > > > > >> >
> > > > > > >> > -- Adam
> > > > > > >> >
> > > > > > >> >
> > > > > > >> > On 4/10/07, Martin van den Bemt <ml...@mvdb.net> wrote:
> > > > > > >> > > Sorry for the one in all reply..
> > > > > > >> > >
> > > > > > >> > > Ok, let's switch perspective's here. MyFaces (the codebase) is a JSF
> > > > > > >> implementation.
> > > > > > >> > > Tomahawk and Trinidad are JSF component sets. I am not comparing the
> > > > > > >> possible overlap of the
> > > > > > >> > > component sets, I am focussing on the possible lack of overlap in
> > > > > > >> community of the JSF
> > > > > > >> > > implementation and the component sets. Different goals, different
> > > > > > >> users and different developers
> > > > > > >> > > (although the last is not yet the case, it is most likely someone
> > > > > > >> interested in components is not
> > > > > > >> > > interested in coding on the JSF implementation).
> > > > > > >> > >
> > > > > > >> > > Just playing bad cop here though, to hopefully prevent this
> > > > > > >> situation
> > > > > > >> (if you are aware of these
> > > > > > >> > > signs you can watch out for it)
> > > > > > >> > >
> > > > > > >> > > Not going to vote -1 on a move to MyFaces.
> > > > > > >> > >
> > > > > > >> > > Mvgr,
> > > > > > >> > > Martin
> > > > > > >> > >
> > > > > > >> >
> > > > > > >>
> > > > > > >>
> > > > > > >> --
> > > > > > >> Matthias Wessendorf
> > > > > > >> http://tinyurl.com/fmywh
> > > > > > >>
> > > > > > >> further stuff:
> > > > > > >> blog: http://jroller.com/page/mwessendorf
> > > > > > >> mail: mwessendorf-at-gmail-dot-com
> > > > > > >>
> > > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > --
> > > > >
> > > > > http://www.irian.at
> > > > >
> > > > > Your JSF powerhouse -
> > > > > JSF Consulting, Development and
> > > > > Courses in English and German
> > > > >
> > > > > Professional Support for Apache MyFaces
> > > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > --
> > > > Matthias Wessendorf
> > > > http://tinyurl.com/fmywh
> > > >
> > > > further stuff:
> > > > blog: http://jroller.com/page/mwessendorf
> > > > mail: mwessendorf-at-gmail-dot-com
> > > >
> > >
> > >
> > > --
> > > Matthias Wessendorf
> > > http://tinyurl.com/fmywh
> > >
> > > further stuff:
> > > blog: http://jroller.com/page/mwessendorf
> > > mail: mwessendorf-at-gmail-dot-com
> > >
> >
> >
> > --
> > Matthias Wessendorf
> > http://tinyurl.com/fmywh
> >
> > further stuff:
> > blog: http://jroller.com/page/mwessendorf
> > mail: mwessendorf-at-gmail-dot-com
> >
>
>
> --
> Matthias Wessendorf
> http://tinyurl.com/fmywh
>
> further stuff:
> blog: http://jroller.com/page/mwessendorf
> mail: mwessendorf-at-gmail-dot-com
>
--
Matthias Wessendorf
http://tinyurl.com/fmywh
further stuff:
blog: http://jroller.com/page/mwessendorf
mail: mwessendorf-at-gmail-dot-com
Re: [Result] Re: VOTE graduation (was Re: Next steps? (was Re: Is trinidad ready for graduation ?))
Posted by Matthias Wessendorf <ma...@apache.org>.
Hi,
> I'll open a vote thread on MyFaces' dev list.
we got 13 +1 votes on the MyFaces dev list.
I'll follow up with a vote on general @ incubator to get approval for
the graduation as a MyFaces subproject.
I'll keep you posted.
-Matthias
> Greetings,
> Matthias
>
> On 4/11/07, Matthias Wessendorf <ma...@apache.org> wrote:
> > Hello Trinidad PPMC members and Trinidad community,
> >
> > we have discussed during the last months (time by time, not permanent)
> > that Trinidad is ready to graduate from the Apache Incubator; we also
> > managed to get releases of the artifacts out. Main question is (see
> > the original email threads) should Trinidad be a subproject of Apache
> > MyFaces or should it be a TLP.
> >
> > Please cast your votes (only one is possible):
> >
> > [ ] graduate as a subproject of the Apache MyFaces community
> > [ ] graduate as a TLP
> > [ ] not ready to graduate, because...
> >
> >
> > -Matthias
> >
> > On 4/11/07, Matthias Wessendorf <ma...@apache.org> wrote:
> > > The dependency will be also the same, if we (MyFaces) go the proposed
> > > route w/ Trinidad as the base for Tomahawk².
> > >
> > > -Matthias
> > >
> > > On 4/11/07, Martin Marinschek <ma...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > > > As long as the community is somewhat similar (at least there are
> > > > people in both communities), I'm +1 for taking it in under MyFaces. My
> > > > only problem with the subproject approach is that when RCF comes out,
> > > > we'll have two sub projects where one sub project depends on the other
> > > > - kind of awkward.
> > > >
> > > > regards,
> > > >
> > > > Martin
> > > >
> > > > On 4/11/07, Jeanne Waldman <je...@oracle.com> wrote:
> > > > > Simon,
> > > > > I like your arguments and after reading this thread, I like the idea
> > > > > of a subproject better than a TLP too. I wanted to comment so
> > > > > ya'll will know there are more people reading the thread and
> > > > > forming an opinion than have been commenting thus far. :)
> > > > > - Jeanne
> > > > >
> > > > > Simon Lessard wrote:
> > > > > > Personally I don't think a TLP would be a good idea just yet since JSF is
> > > > > > still relatively new compared to some older well known frameworks. I
> > > > > > think
> > > > > > it's easier for new users to find all they need from one entry point and
> > > > > > MyFaces seems the right place for that, at least for now.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Also, being a subproject will probably improve the users' confidence in
> > > > > > library compatibility as well as encourage that compatibility to be
> > > > > > kept/improved by developers.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > It may just be a feeling, but it seems to me that making Trinidad TLP
> > > > > > right
> > > > > > away would make it look a bit like a loner, especially since Tobago and
> > > > > > Tomahawk are MyFaces sub projects. If JSF component sets should be
> > > > > > TLP(s),
> > > > > > then I think it should be done all at the same time, and this cannot be
> > > > > > achieved until we harmonize Tomahawk, Trinidad and Tobago imho.
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > > My 2¢,
> > > > > >
> > > > > > ~ Simon
> > > > > >
> > > > > > On 4/11/07, Matthias Wessendorf <ma...@apache.org> wrote:
> > > > > >>
> > > > > >> That was also a point of Noel, when proposing the RCF donation thing.
> > > > > >> He was asking, why not having a "JSF components" project.
> > > > > >>
> > > > > >> Perhaps that might be an interesting option, not sure yet; but when
> > > > > >> RCF arrives somewhen.. there would be another component set.
> > > > > >>
> > > > > >> Perhaps we should move the discussion for a "split" to the MyFaces DEV
> > > > > >> list, that the MyFaces PMC is also able to comment.
> > > > > >>
> > > > > >> The components project could have a similar fashion like Jakarta.
> > > > > >>
> > > > > >> But since this isn't yet the case, I'd agree that a subproject is the
> > > > > >> best, for now.
> > > > > >>
> > > > > >> -Matthias
> > > > > >>
> > > > > >> On 4/11/07, Adam Winer <aw...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > > > > >> > If there was an idea to split MyFaces into an implementation
> > > > > >> > half and a component set half, each as separate TLPs, then
> > > > > >> > I'd see your point - but as it is, MyFaces the TLP is both
> > > > > >> > an implementation and (currently) 2 component sets.
> > > > > >> >
> > > > > >> > -- Adam
> > > > > >> >
> > > > > >> >
> > > > > >> > On 4/10/07, Martin van den Bemt <ml...@mvdb.net> wrote:
> > > > > >> > > Sorry for the one in all reply..
> > > > > >> > >
> > > > > >> > > Ok, let's switch perspective's here. MyFaces (the codebase) is a JSF
> > > > > >> implementation.
> > > > > >> > > Tomahawk and Trinidad are JSF component sets. I am not comparing the
> > > > > >> possible overlap of the
> > > > > >> > > component sets, I am focussing on the possible lack of overlap in
> > > > > >> community of the JSF
> > > > > >> > > implementation and the component sets. Different goals, different
> > > > > >> users and different developers
> > > > > >> > > (although the last is not yet the case, it is most likely someone
> > > > > >> interested in components is not
> > > > > >> > > interested in coding on the JSF implementation).
> > > > > >> > >
> > > > > >> > > Just playing bad cop here though, to hopefully prevent this
> > > > > >> situation
> > > > > >> (if you are aware of these
> > > > > >> > > signs you can watch out for it)
> > > > > >> > >
> > > > > >> > > Not going to vote -1 on a move to MyFaces.
> > > > > >> > >
> > > > > >> > > Mvgr,
> > > > > >> > > Martin
> > > > > >> > >
> > > > > >> >
> > > > > >>
> > > > > >>
> > > > > >> --
> > > > > >> Matthias Wessendorf
> > > > > >> http://tinyurl.com/fmywh
> > > > > >>
> > > > > >> further stuff:
> > > > > >> blog: http://jroller.com/page/mwessendorf
> > > > > >> mail: mwessendorf-at-gmail-dot-com
> > > > > >>
> > > > > >
> > > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > --
> > > >
> > > > http://www.irian.at
> > > >
> > > > Your JSF powerhouse -
> > > > JSF Consulting, Development and
> > > > Courses in English and German
> > > >
> > > > Professional Support for Apache MyFaces
> > > >
> > >
> > >
> > > --
> > > Matthias Wessendorf
> > > http://tinyurl.com/fmywh
> > >
> > > further stuff:
> > > blog: http://jroller.com/page/mwessendorf
> > > mail: mwessendorf-at-gmail-dot-com
> > >
> >
> >
> > --
> > Matthias Wessendorf
> > http://tinyurl.com/fmywh
> >
> > further stuff:
> > blog: http://jroller.com/page/mwessendorf
> > mail: mwessendorf-at-gmail-dot-com
> >
>
>
> --
> Matthias Wessendorf
> http://tinyurl.com/fmywh
>
> further stuff:
> blog: http://jroller.com/page/mwessendorf
> mail: mwessendorf-at-gmail-dot-com
>
--
Matthias Wessendorf
http://tinyurl.com/fmywh
further stuff:
blog: http://jroller.com/page/mwessendorf
mail: mwessendorf-at-gmail-dot-com
[Result] Re: VOTE graduation (was Re: Next steps? (was Re: Is trinidad ready for graduation ?))
Posted by Matthias Wessendorf <ma...@apache.org>.
we got 7 votes for "graduate as a subproject of the Apache MyFaces
community" and one +1 for graduation ;)
thanks for voting.
I'll open a vote thread on MyFaces' dev list.
Greetings,
Matthias
On 4/11/07, Matthias Wessendorf <ma...@apache.org> wrote:
> Hello Trinidad PPMC members and Trinidad community,
>
> we have discussed during the last months (time by time, not permanent)
> that Trinidad is ready to graduate from the Apache Incubator; we also
> managed to get releases of the artifacts out. Main question is (see
> the original email threads) should Trinidad be a subproject of Apache
> MyFaces or should it be a TLP.
>
> Please cast your votes (only one is possible):
>
> [ ] graduate as a subproject of the Apache MyFaces community
> [ ] graduate as a TLP
> [ ] not ready to graduate, because...
>
>
> -Matthias
>
> On 4/11/07, Matthias Wessendorf <ma...@apache.org> wrote:
> > The dependency will be also the same, if we (MyFaces) go the proposed
> > route w/ Trinidad as the base for Tomahawk².
> >
> > -Matthias
> >
> > On 4/11/07, Martin Marinschek <ma...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > > As long as the community is somewhat similar (at least there are
> > > people in both communities), I'm +1 for taking it in under MyFaces. My
> > > only problem with the subproject approach is that when RCF comes out,
> > > we'll have two sub projects where one sub project depends on the other
> > > - kind of awkward.
> > >
> > > regards,
> > >
> > > Martin
> > >
> > > On 4/11/07, Jeanne Waldman <je...@oracle.com> wrote:
> > > > Simon,
> > > > I like your arguments and after reading this thread, I like the idea
> > > > of a subproject better than a TLP too. I wanted to comment so
> > > > ya'll will know there are more people reading the thread and
> > > > forming an opinion than have been commenting thus far. :)
> > > > - Jeanne
> > > >
> > > > Simon Lessard wrote:
> > > > > Personally I don't think a TLP would be a good idea just yet since JSF is
> > > > > still relatively new compared to some older well known frameworks. I
> > > > > think
> > > > > it's easier for new users to find all they need from one entry point and
> > > > > MyFaces seems the right place for that, at least for now.
> > > > >
> > > > > Also, being a subproject will probably improve the users' confidence in
> > > > > library compatibility as well as encourage that compatibility to be
> > > > > kept/improved by developers.
> > > > >
> > > > > It may just be a feeling, but it seems to me that making Trinidad TLP
> > > > > right
> > > > > away would make it look a bit like a loner, especially since Tobago and
> > > > > Tomahawk are MyFaces sub projects. If JSF component sets should be
> > > > > TLP(s),
> > > > > then I think it should be done all at the same time, and this cannot be
> > > > > achieved until we harmonize Tomahawk, Trinidad and Tobago imho.
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > My 2¢,
> > > > >
> > > > > ~ Simon
> > > > >
> > > > > On 4/11/07, Matthias Wessendorf <ma...@apache.org> wrote:
> > > > >>
> > > > >> That was also a point of Noel, when proposing the RCF donation thing.
> > > > >> He was asking, why not having a "JSF components" project.
> > > > >>
> > > > >> Perhaps that might be an interesting option, not sure yet; but when
> > > > >> RCF arrives somewhen.. there would be another component set.
> > > > >>
> > > > >> Perhaps we should move the discussion for a "split" to the MyFaces DEV
> > > > >> list, that the MyFaces PMC is also able to comment.
> > > > >>
> > > > >> The components project could have a similar fashion like Jakarta.
> > > > >>
> > > > >> But since this isn't yet the case, I'd agree that a subproject is the
> > > > >> best, for now.
> > > > >>
> > > > >> -Matthias
> > > > >>
> > > > >> On 4/11/07, Adam Winer <aw...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > > > >> > If there was an idea to split MyFaces into an implementation
> > > > >> > half and a component set half, each as separate TLPs, then
> > > > >> > I'd see your point - but as it is, MyFaces the TLP is both
> > > > >> > an implementation and (currently) 2 component sets.
> > > > >> >
> > > > >> > -- Adam
> > > > >> >
> > > > >> >
> > > > >> > On 4/10/07, Martin van den Bemt <ml...@mvdb.net> wrote:
> > > > >> > > Sorry for the one in all reply..
> > > > >> > >
> > > > >> > > Ok, let's switch perspective's here. MyFaces (the codebase) is a JSF
> > > > >> implementation.
> > > > >> > > Tomahawk and Trinidad are JSF component sets. I am not comparing the
> > > > >> possible overlap of the
> > > > >> > > component sets, I am focussing on the possible lack of overlap in
> > > > >> community of the JSF
> > > > >> > > implementation and the component sets. Different goals, different
> > > > >> users and different developers
> > > > >> > > (although the last is not yet the case, it is most likely someone
> > > > >> interested in components is not
> > > > >> > > interested in coding on the JSF implementation).
> > > > >> > >
> > > > >> > > Just playing bad cop here though, to hopefully prevent this
> > > > >> situation
> > > > >> (if you are aware of these
> > > > >> > > signs you can watch out for it)
> > > > >> > >
> > > > >> > > Not going to vote -1 on a move to MyFaces.
> > > > >> > >
> > > > >> > > Mvgr,
> > > > >> > > Martin
> > > > >> > >
> > > > >> >
> > > > >>
> > > > >>
> > > > >> --
> > > > >> Matthias Wessendorf
> > > > >> http://tinyurl.com/fmywh
> > > > >>
> > > > >> further stuff:
> > > > >> blog: http://jroller.com/page/mwessendorf
> > > > >> mail: mwessendorf-at-gmail-dot-com
> > > > >>
> > > > >
> > > >
> > >
> > >
> > > --
> > >
> > > http://www.irian.at
> > >
> > > Your JSF powerhouse -
> > > JSF Consulting, Development and
> > > Courses in English and German
> > >
> > > Professional Support for Apache MyFaces
> > >
> >
> >
> > --
> > Matthias Wessendorf
> > http://tinyurl.com/fmywh
> >
> > further stuff:
> > blog: http://jroller.com/page/mwessendorf
> > mail: mwessendorf-at-gmail-dot-com
> >
>
>
> --
> Matthias Wessendorf
> http://tinyurl.com/fmywh
>
> further stuff:
> blog: http://jroller.com/page/mwessendorf
> mail: mwessendorf-at-gmail-dot-com
>
--
Matthias Wessendorf
http://tinyurl.com/fmywh
further stuff:
blog: http://jroller.com/page/mwessendorf
mail: mwessendorf-at-gmail-dot-com
Re: VOTE graduation (was Re: Next steps? (was Re: Is trinidad ready for graduation ?))
Posted by Matthias Wessendorf <ma...@apache.org>.
> [X] graduate as a subproject of the Apache MyFaces community
+1 (binding)
> [ ] graduate as a TLP
> [ ] not ready to graduate, because...
>
>
> -Matthias
Re: VOTE graduation (was Re: Next steps? (was Re: Is trinidad ready
for graduation ?))
Posted by Martin van den Bemt <ml...@mvdb.net>.
+1 to start graduating :)
Mvgr,
Martin
Matthias Wessendorf wrote:
> Hello Trinidad PPMC members and Trinidad community,
>
> [X] graduate as a TLP
>