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Posted to dev@airavata.apache.org by Suresh Marru <sm...@apache.org> on 2012/05/04 07:11:39 UTC
Users Mailing List
Hi All,
As we are getting ready to announce the release and work on subsequent ones as well, how about setup a users mailing list? We need to make sure the mails get properly discussed though, so we may have to ensure all the PMC (~=Committers) are subscribed to the users mailing list as well.
Cheers,
Suresh
Re: Users Mailing List
Posted by "Mattmann, Chris A (388J)" <ch...@jpl.nasa.gov>.
Hey Suresh,
Yeah no worries like I said, in the end, I thought a users@ list made sense for OODT, and I think
for Airavata it probably does too. But I just wanted to pass that info along as it was passed to me :)
Cheers,
Chris
On May 5, 2012, at 7:33 PM, Suresh Marru wrote:
> Hi Chris,
>
> On May 5, 2012, at 8:05 PM, Mattmann, Chris A (388J) wrote:
>
>>>> While I have no strong opinion either way on this, in the past, the Apache sages that mentored my projects
>>>> have suggested that having a users list in Incubation is pretty much net zero value -- just wanted to pass this
>>>> along.
>>>>
>>>> And to be perfectly clear, I'm +1 to have a users mailing list. But wanted you to know what others have told me
>>>> in the past about it during Incubation.
>>>
>>> Thanks Chris for chiming in. Can you also please also pass the downsides you were told of having a user list during incubation? On a quick surfing through incubator websites I see very less projects are having user lists but couldn't get why.
>>
>> No problem. The advice I got was that during Incubation you're not sure exactly who your users are -- that is, a lot
>> of times they are the devs themselves b/c there is so much momentum and change, compared to a TLP.
>>
>> I think it honestly depends on the type/style of project, but I did get the whole point of not adding "yet another list" YAL. :)
>> It requires more moderators, more overhead for infra@, etc.
>
> Currently the initial target audience for airavata are project groups and I can see there will one or two developers in those groups but many more want just be users. I feel the dev mail-list traffic might loose attention, a low traffic and focused user discussions might make these users speak up and provide valuable feedback. This is just an optional thought and I would like to hear others opinions as well on what might work better for projects like Airavata.
>
> Thanks,
> Suresh
>
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Chris Mattmann, Ph.D.
Senior Computer Scientist
NASA Jet Propulsion Laboratory Pasadena, CA 91109 USA
Office: 171-266B, Mailstop: 171-246
Email: chris.a.mattmann@nasa.gov
WWW: http://sunset.usc.edu/~mattmann/
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Adjunct Assistant Professor, Computer Science Department
University of Southern California, Los Angeles, CA 90089 USA
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Re: Users Mailing List
Posted by Suresh Marru <sm...@apache.org>.
Hi Chris,
On May 5, 2012, at 8:05 PM, Mattmann, Chris A (388J) wrote:
>>> While I have no strong opinion either way on this, in the past, the Apache sages that mentored my projects
>>> have suggested that having a users list in Incubation is pretty much net zero value -- just wanted to pass this
>>> along.
>>>
>>> And to be perfectly clear, I'm +1 to have a users mailing list. But wanted you to know what others have told me
>>> in the past about it during Incubation.
>>
>> Thanks Chris for chiming in. Can you also please also pass the downsides you were told of having a user list during incubation? On a quick surfing through incubator websites I see very less projects are having user lists but couldn't get why.
>
> No problem. The advice I got was that during Incubation you're not sure exactly who your users are -- that is, a lot
> of times they are the devs themselves b/c there is so much momentum and change, compared to a TLP.
>
> I think it honestly depends on the type/style of project, but I did get the whole point of not adding "yet another list" YAL. :)
> It requires more moderators, more overhead for infra@, etc.
Currently the initial target audience for airavata are project groups and I can see there will one or two developers in those groups but many more want just be users. I feel the dev mail-list traffic might loose attention, a low traffic and focused user discussions might make these users speak up and provide valuable feedback. This is just an optional thought and I would like to hear others opinions as well on what might work better for projects like Airavata.
Thanks,
Suresh
Re: Users Mailing List
Posted by "Mattmann, Chris A (388J)" <ch...@jpl.nasa.gov>.
Hi Suresh,
On May 5, 2012, at 4:25 PM, Suresh Marru wrote:
>
> On May 4, 2012, at 12:26 PM, Mattmann, Chris A (388J) wrote:
>
>> Hey Suresh,
>>
>> While I have no strong opinion either way on this, in the past, the Apache sages that mentored my projects
>> have suggested that having a users list in Incubation is pretty much net zero value -- just wanted to pass this
>> along.
>>
>> And to be perfectly clear, I'm +1 to have a users mailing list. But wanted you to know what others have told me
>> in the past about it during Incubation.
>
> Thanks Chris for chiming in. Can you also please also pass the downsides you were told of having a user list during incubation? On a quick surfing through incubator websites I see very less projects are having user lists but couldn't get why.
No problem. The advice I got was that during Incubation you're not sure exactly who your users are -- that is, a lot
of times they are the devs themselves b/c there is so much momentum and change, compared to a TLP.
I think it honestly depends on the type/style of project, but I did get the whole point of not adding "yet another list" YAL. :)
It requires more moderators, more overhead for infra@, etc.
Cheers,
Chris
++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
Chris Mattmann, Ph.D.
Senior Computer Scientist
NASA Jet Propulsion Laboratory Pasadena, CA 91109 USA
Office: 171-266B, Mailstop: 171-246
Email: chris.a.mattmann@nasa.gov
WWW: http://sunset.usc.edu/~mattmann/
++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
Adjunct Assistant Professor, Computer Science Department
University of Southern California, Los Angeles, CA 90089 USA
++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
Re: Users Mailing List
Posted by Suresh Marru <sm...@apache.org>.
On May 4, 2012, at 12:26 PM, Mattmann, Chris A (388J) wrote:
> Hey Suresh,
>
> While I have no strong opinion either way on this, in the past, the Apache sages that mentored my projects
> have suggested that having a users list in Incubation is pretty much net zero value -- just wanted to pass this
> along.
>
> And to be perfectly clear, I'm +1 to have a users mailing list. But wanted you to know what others have told me
> in the past about it during Incubation.
Thanks Chris for chiming in. Can you also please also pass the downsides you were told of having a user list during incubation? On a quick surfing through incubator websites I see very less projects are having user lists but couldn't get why.
Suresh
> Thanks for listening.
>
> Cheers,
> Chris
>
>
> On May 3, 2012, at 10:11 PM, Suresh Marru wrote:
>
>> Hi All,
>>
>> As we are getting ready to announce the release and work on subsequent ones as well, how about setup a users mailing list? We need to make sure the mails get properly discussed though, so we may have to ensure all the PMC (~=Committers) are subscribed to the users mailing list as well.
>>
>> Cheers,
>> Suresh
>
>
> ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
> Chris Mattmann, Ph.D.
> Senior Computer Scientist
> NASA Jet Propulsion Laboratory Pasadena, CA 91109 USA
> Office: 171-266B, Mailstop: 171-246
> Email: chris.a.mattmann@nasa.gov
> WWW: http://sunset.usc.edu/~mattmann/
> ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
> Adjunct Assistant Professor, Computer Science Department
> University of Southern California, Los Angeles, CA 90089 USA
> ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
>
Re: Users Mailing List
Posted by "Mattmann, Chris A (388J)" <ch...@jpl.nasa.gov>.
Hey Suresh,
While I have no strong opinion either way on this, in the past, the Apache sages that mentored my projects
have suggested that having a users list in Incubation is pretty much net zero value -- just wanted to pass this
along.
And to be perfectly clear, I'm +1 to have a users mailing list. But wanted you to know what others have told me
in the past about it during Incubation.
Thanks for listening.
Cheers,
Chris
On May 3, 2012, at 10:11 PM, Suresh Marru wrote:
> Hi All,
>
> As we are getting ready to announce the release and work on subsequent ones as well, how about setup a users mailing list? We need to make sure the mails get properly discussed though, so we may have to ensure all the PMC (~=Committers) are subscribed to the users mailing list as well.
>
> Cheers,
> Suresh
++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
Chris Mattmann, Ph.D.
Senior Computer Scientist
NASA Jet Propulsion Laboratory Pasadena, CA 91109 USA
Office: 171-266B, Mailstop: 171-246
Email: chris.a.mattmann@nasa.gov
WWW: http://sunset.usc.edu/~mattmann/
++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
Adjunct Assistant Professor, Computer Science Department
University of Southern California, Los Angeles, CA 90089 USA
++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++