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Posted to dev@netbeans.apache.org by Zoran Sevarac <se...@gmail.com> on 2017/12/02 08:56:00 UTC

Re: Newbie On Board!!!

Thank you Ioannis, its usefull for us to get the perspective of the new
contributors.
I've added your steps to
https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/NETBEANS/Development+Environment
as the to the Quick Steps for Newbies section.
I think that page is very important for attracting new developers and
growing the community. I know that my students will be very happy to have
this brief info in one place.

Also I would rename that page to 'Getting started' or 'Quick start' as
thats almost standard for most of the open source projects, and thats what
peopke are looking for.
Regarding the required software I would just put NetBeans IDE which already
comes with Ant, Git and even with JDK.
Since this page is targeted for absolute beginner this will help them to
get started faster, and more advanced users would know what to do.
Also I think that its ok to build NetBEans from the NetBeans, and not from
the command line, since thats what Ioannis did, and that perfectly makes
sense to me.
Please let me know what you think about suggested changes?

Thanks
Zoran





On Thu, Nov 30, 2017 at 12:03 AM, Ioannis Torounoglou <jo...@ionio.gr>
wrote:

> Thank you John!
>
> This is what I had in mind!
>
> Maybe you can add some links
> Java SE Development Kit 8 (http://www.oracle.com/technetwork/java/javase/
> downloads/jdk8-downloads-2133151.html )
> Git (https://git-scm.com/downloads ) for Linux
> https://git-scm.com/download/linux information for different
> distributions.
>
> Ant I think is included in Netbeans 8.2 (I don't know about 9)
>
> We should improve the "How to get started locally"
> I will tell you what I did so maybe you can correct it and upload it
>
> 1. Create an account on github (https://github.com/)
> 2. While logged in visit https://github.com/apache/incubator-netbeans
> 3. Fork the project to your account.
> 4. Your git repository is https://github.com/USERNAME/
> incubator-netbeans.git
> 5. Inside Netbeans (8.2 I don't know about 9) choose Team>Git>Clone...
> 6. Fill in the form with your repository/username/password and the local
> path to save
> 7. Click Next , Select master then Next and finally finish.
> 8. Download is starting and you get your local copy.
>
> ---------
> I'm up to here right now I tried
> $ant
> But I have some errors that I have to check
> I will post the next steps as I manage to move on!
>
> Keep on!!!
>
> J!
>
>
>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: John McDonnell [mailto:mcdonnell.john@gmail.com]
> Sent: Thursday, November 30, 2017 12:18 AM
> To: dev@netbeans.incubator.apache.org
> Subject: Re: Newbie On Board!!!
>
> Ioannis,
>
> I've added a Developer Environment page to Confluence:
>
> https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/NETBEANS/Developer+Environment
>
> If you think there's something missing feel free to add to it, or indeed
> let me know and I can add to the page.
>
>
> Regards
>
> John
>
>
>
> On 29 November 2017 at 21:41, Geertjan Wielenga <
> geertjan.wielenga@googlemail.com> wrote:
>
> > Yes, you can use NetBeans 8.2 to edit the code in your fork.
> >
> > In the netbeans.conf file, in NetBeans 8.2 installation directory, you
> > can point to the JDK you want to use. In your fork, that is found in
> > nbbuild/netbeans/etc.
> >
> > Gj
> >
> > On Wed, Nov 29, 2017 at 10:38 PM, Ioannis Torounoglou
> > <jo...@ionio.gr>
> > wrote:
> >
> > > I have already read all these!
> > >
> > > But you gave me a clue!!!
> > >
> > > I can work with my Netbeans 8.2 editing code from my git fork?
> > >
> > > When I run-test NB9 how do I set it to use JDK9 since I have them
> both???
> > >
> > > Thank you!!!
> > > J!
> > >
> > > -----Original Message-----
> > > From: Geertjan Wielenga [mailto:geertjan.wielenga@googlemail.com]
> > > Sent: Wednesday, November 29, 2017 11:26 PM
> > > To: dev@netbeans.incubator.apache.org
> > > Subject: Re: Newbie On Board!!!
> > >
> > > We do document all of these things here:
> > >
> > > https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/NETBEANS
> > >
> > > For example, you'll find this link:
> > >
> > > https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/NETBEANS/
> > > Installation+of+Apache+NetBeans
> > >
> > > The README at Apache Git also tells you to use JDK 8 (and release of
> > > JDK
> > > 8) to build NetBeans and that you can either run the built NetBeans
> > > on
> > top
> > > of JDK 8 or JDK 9.
> > >
> > > You run 'ant' in the clone that you get from Git, as explained in
> > > the Apache NetBeans Git README.
> > >
> > > You can also get a ZIP from Jenkins, if you don't want to build at all:
> > > builds.apache.org/job/incubator-netbeans-linux
> > >
> > > All of the above is described at
> > > cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/NETBEANS.
> > >
> > > You can developed NetBeans in NetBeans 8.2 or the Apache NetBeans 9
> > build,
> > > that's up to you.
> > >
> > > Gj
> > >
> > > On Wed, Nov 29, 2017 at 10:21 PM, Ioannis Torounoglou
> > > <jo...@ionio.gr>
> > > wrote:
> > >
> > > > Ok!!!
> > > >
> > > > Let's start over! Sorry for being rude!
> > > >
> > > > I have a new Debian VM, I installed Git, I have Ant, I installed
> > > > JDK 8 and JDK 9 from oracle.
> > > >
> > > > What to do next?
> > > >
> > > > Do you develop NB9 inside the built version or using NB 8.2?
> > > >
> > > > How do you choose which JDK to be used?
> > > >
> > > > J!
> > > >
> > > > -----Original Message-----
> > > > From: Geertjan Wielenga [mailto:geertjan.wielenga@googlemail.com]
> > > > Sent: Wednesday, November 29, 2017 11:13 PM
> > > > To: dev@netbeans.incubator.apache.org
> > > > Subject: Re: Newbie On Board!!!
> > > >
> > > > No, nobody is not calling you smart.
> > > >
> > > > I'm trying to help you, trying to answer your questions.
> > > >
> > > > Thanks,
> > > >
> > > > Geertjan
> > > >
> > > > On Wed, Nov 29, 2017 at 10:11 PM, Ioannis Torounoglou
> > > > <jo...@ionio.gr>
> > > > wrote:
> > > >
> > > > > Ok maybe I'm not as smart as you!
> > > > >
> > > > > So I will leave!
> > > > >
> > > > > J!
> > > > >
> > > > > PS: I see a lot of people leaving btw! Think about it!
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > -----Original Message-----
> > > > > From: Geertjan Wielenga
> > > > > [mailto:geertjan.wielenga@googlemail.com]
> > > > > Sent: Wednesday, November 29, 2017 11:04 PM
> > > > > To: dev@netbeans.incubator.apache.org
> > > > > Subject: Re: Newbie On Board!!!
> > > > >
> > > > > That's precisely what you were told in the first e-mail -- go
> > > > > here and read the README, it tells you exactly that:
> > > > > https://github.com/apache/incubator-netbeans
> > > > >
> > > > > You can probably also use a lot less exclamation marks.
> > > > >
> > > > > Gj
> > > > >
> > > > > On Wed, Nov 29, 2017 at 10:02 PM, Ioannis Torounoglou
> > > > > <jo...@ionio.gr>
> > > > > wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > > I'm sorry to speak like that, because I'm not used to!!!
> > > > > >
> > > > > > But 4 people replied told me the same thing!!
> > > > > >
> > > > > > To be in this mailing list means that I have read this page!!!!
> > > > > >
> > > > > > What I need is very simple a list!!!
> > > > > >
> > > > > > 1.  you need Ant
> > > > > > 2 install JDK8
> > > > > > 3 install JDK9
> > > > > > 4 Download this
> > > > > > 5 install that!!!
> > > > > > 6 YOU ARE READY TO HELP US!!!!
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Why this is so hard for all of you to be done!!!
> > > > > >
> > > > > > J!
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > > -----Original Message-----
> > > > > > From: Geertjan Wielenga
> > > > > > [mailto:geertjan.wielenga@googlemail.com]
> > > > > > Sent: Wednesday, November 29, 2017 10:58 PM
> > > > > > To: dev@netbeans.incubator.apache.org
> > > > > > Subject: Re: Newbie On Board!!!
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Hello Ioannis,
> > > > > >
> > > > > > We don't call each other idiots here.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > NetBeans is incubating at Apache. Apache is a software
> foundation:
> > > > > > apache.org
> > > > > >
> > > > > > What you contribute to an Apache project depends on your needs.
> > > > > > What would you like NetBeans to be able to do that it
> > > > > > currently does not do? What features would you like to work on?
> > > > > >
> > > > > > We are currently working on the Beta release of Apache
> > > > > > NetBeans
> > > > > > (incubating) 9.0 and you're welcome to work on that too:
> > > > > >
> > > > > > https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/NETBEANS/
> > > > > > Apache+NetBeans+9.0+Beta
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Thanks,
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Geertjan
> > > > > >
> > > > > > On Wed, Nov 29, 2017 at 9:55 PM, Ioannis Torounoglou
> > > > > > <jo...@ionio.gr>
> > > > > > wrote:
> > > > > >
> > > > > > > Why you are so idiots???
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Everybody here has read https://cwiki.apache.org/
> > > > > > > confluence/display/NETBEANS/How+to+Participate
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Why you keep posting that!!!
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > ?
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > -----Original Message-----
> > > > > > > From: Geertjan Wielenga
> > > > > > > [mailto:geertjan.wielenga@googlemail.com]
> > > > > > > Sent: Wednesday, November 29, 2017 10:53 PM
> > > > > > > To: dev@netbeans.incubator.apache.org
> > > > > > > Subject: Re: Newbie On Board!!!
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > We need a lot. We need whatever bugs you want to fix or
> > > > > > > features you want to implement. What would you like to work on?
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > How to get involved:
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/NETBEANS/How+to+
> > > > > > > Part
> > > > > > > ic
> > > > > > > ip
> > > > > > > at
> > > > > > > e
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Also, keep following the mailing list, there's tasks and
> > > > > > > discussions all the time, right now we're working on the
> > > > > > > Beta
> > > > release together:
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/NETBEANS/
> > > > > > > Apache+NetBeans+9.0+Beta
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Gj
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > On Wed, Nov 29, 2017 at 9:51 PM, Ioannis Torounoglou
> > > > > > > <jo...@ionio.gr>
> > > > > > > wrote:
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > So I guess you don't need anything!!!
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > I'm out of here!!!
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > J!
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > -----Original Message-----
> > > > > > > > From: Geertjan Wielenga
> > > > > > > > [mailto:geertjan.wielenga@googlemail.com]
> > > > > > > > Sent: Wednesday, November 29, 2017 3:50 PM
> > > > > > > > To: dev@netbeans.incubator.apache.org
> > > > > > > > Subject: Re: Newbie On Board!!!
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > What would you like there to be on the Wiki page that
> > > > > > > > isn't already
> > > > > > > there:
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/NETBEANS
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > Gj
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > On Wed, Nov 29, 2017 at 2:43 PM, Ioannis Torounoglou
> > > > > > > > <jo...@ionio.gr>
> > > > > > > > wrote:
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > Hi Zoran,
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > This a very good idea!!!
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > I have already found a few things but I'm far away!!!
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > How can I start this wiki page?
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > >  J!
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > -----Original Message-----
> > > > > > > > > From: Zoran Sevarac [mailto:sevarac@gmail.com]
> > > > > > > > > Sent: Wednesday, November 29, 2017 10:59 AM
> > > > > > > > > To: dev@netbeans.incubator.apache.org
> > > > > > > > > Subject: Re: Newbie On Board!!!
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > Hi Ioannis,
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > The great way to contribute would be that you put
> > > > > > > > > together a wiki page for 'Getting Started for
> > > > > > > > > Contributors' which should include all your questions as
> > > > > > > > > a new contributor, with all the answers you learn along
> > > > > > > > > the
> > > > > > > > way.
> > > > > > > > > You can start by creating that page
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > Cheers
> > > > > > > > > Zoran
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > On Tue, Nov 28, 2017 at 4:18 PM, Geertjan Wielenga <
> > > > > > > > > geertjan.wielenga@googlemail.com> wrote:
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > How to build etc is all in the README, like for all
> > > > > > > > > > other Apache
> > > > > > > > > projects:
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > github.com/apache/incubator-netbeans
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > How to get involved:
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/NETBEANS/H
> > > > > > > > > > ow+t
> > > > > > > > > > o+
> > > > > > > > > > Pa
> > > > > > > > > > rt
> > > > > > > > > > ic
> > > > > > > > > > ip
> > > > > > > > > > at
> > > > > > > > > > e
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > Also, keep following the mailing list, there's tasks
> > > > > > > > > > and discussions all the time, right now we're working
> > > > > > > > > > on the Beta
> > > > > > > release together:
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/NETBEANS/
> > > > > > > > > > Apache+NetBeans+9.0+Beta
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > Which operating system? Any operating system -- Java
> > > > > > > > > > is write once, run anywhere.
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > Gj
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > On Tue, Nov 28, 2017 at 4:14 PM, Ioannis Torounoglou
> > > > > > > > > > <jo...@ionio.gr>
> > > > > > > > > > wrote:
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > Hello again!!!
> > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > Sorry to bother you all and thanks Antonio for the
> reply!
> > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > I UNDERSTAND that you are all pretty busy because
> > > > > > > > > > > this is a huge
> > > > > > > > > project.
> > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > But if YOU want a community project you mast spend
> > > > > > > > > > > some time to help community help you!!!
> > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > Some people should stop production and give
> > > > > > > > > > > information to new people who want to get involved.
> > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > And because these info is not to be sent to e-mail a
> > > > > > > > > > > WIKI page must be inserted!!!
> > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > Which Operating system should I have!
> > > > > > > > > > > Which tools CSV, Netbeans, Notepad (which versions
> > > > > > > > > > > etc.) Info how to build (If I have to build )
> > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > PLEASE HELP us to HELP you!
> > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > J!
> > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > -----Original Message-----
> > > > > > > > > > > From: Antonio [mailto:antonio@vieiro.net]
> > > > > > > > > > > Sent: Sunday, November 26, 2017 8:32 AM
> > > > > > > > > > > To: dev@netbeans.incubator.apache.org
> > > > > > > > > > > Subject: Re: Newbie On Board!!!
> > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > Welcome, Ioannis,
> > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > You may want to take a look at our wiki at
> > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > Wiki
> > > > > > > > > > > https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/pages/viewpage.
> > > > > > > > > > action?pageId=65873923
> > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > Cheers,
> > > > > > > > > > > Antonio
> > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > El 26/11/17 a las 00:02, Ioannis Torounoglou escribió:
> > > > > > > > > > > > Hello everybody!!!
> > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > I'm new here willing to help!
> > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > I don't know where to start and what to do!
> > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > Any help will be great!
> > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > J!
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Re: Newbie On Board!!!

Posted by John McDonnell <mc...@gmail.com>.
Hi Zoran,

I didn't include those changes specifically because of choice, not everyone
will have NetBeans as they come looking at this.  We hope they do, but
ultimately I think we hope they leave wanting to use NetBeans more.  Hence
why I leaned heavily on the command line instructions but still pointed out
that this can be done in the IDE.

At the moemnt, the page is confusing now that we have 2 sets of steps in
there without any clear information about which ones to use.  I'll take a
look shortly in relation to cleaning it up a little.


John

On 2 December 2017 at 08:56, Zoran Sevarac <se...@gmail.com> wrote:

> Thank you Ioannis, its usefull for us to get the perspective of the new
> contributors.
> I've added your steps to
> https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/NETBEANS/
> Development+Environment
> as the to the Quick Steps for Newbies section.
> I think that page is very important for attracting new developers and
> growing the community. I know that my students will be very happy to have
> this brief info in one place.
>
> Also I would rename that page to 'Getting started' or 'Quick start' as
> thats almost standard for most of the open source projects, and thats what
> peopke are looking for.
> Regarding the required software I would just put NetBeans IDE which already
> comes with Ant, Git and even with JDK.
> Since this page is targeted for absolute beginner this will help them to
> get started faster, and more advanced users would know what to do.
> Also I think that its ok to build NetBEans from the NetBeans, and not from
> the command line, since thats what Ioannis did, and that perfectly makes
> sense to me.
> Please let me know what you think about suggested changes?
>
> Thanks
> Zoran
>
>
>
>
>
> On Thu, Nov 30, 2017 at 12:03 AM, Ioannis Torounoglou <jo...@ionio.gr>
> wrote:
>
> > Thank you John!
> >
> > This is what I had in mind!
> >
> > Maybe you can add some links
> > Java SE Development Kit 8 (http://www.oracle.com/
> technetwork/java/javase/
> > downloads/jdk8-downloads-2133151.html )
> > Git (https://git-scm.com/downloads ) for Linux
> > https://git-scm.com/download/linux information for different
> > distributions.
> >
> > Ant I think is included in Netbeans 8.2 (I don't know about 9)
> >
> > We should improve the "How to get started locally"
> > I will tell you what I did so maybe you can correct it and upload it
> >
> > 1. Create an account on github (https://github.com/)
> > 2. While logged in visit https://github.com/apache/incubator-netbeans
> > 3. Fork the project to your account.
> > 4. Your git repository is https://github.com/USERNAME/
> > incubator-netbeans.git
> > 5. Inside Netbeans (8.2 I don't know about 9) choose Team>Git>Clone...
> > 6. Fill in the form with your repository/username/password and the local
> > path to save
> > 7. Click Next , Select master then Next and finally finish.
> > 8. Download is starting and you get your local copy.
> >
> > ---------
> > I'm up to here right now I tried
> > $ant
> > But I have some errors that I have to check
> > I will post the next steps as I manage to move on!
> >
> > Keep on!!!
> >
> > J!
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: John McDonnell [mailto:mcdonnell.john@gmail.com]
> > Sent: Thursday, November 30, 2017 12:18 AM
> > To: dev@netbeans.incubator.apache.org
> > Subject: Re: Newbie On Board!!!
> >
> > Ioannis,
> >
> > I've added a Developer Environment page to Confluence:
> >
> > https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/NETBEANS/
> Developer+Environment
> >
> > If you think there's something missing feel free to add to it, or indeed
> > let me know and I can add to the page.
> >
> >
> > Regards
> >
> > John
> >
> >
> >
> > On 29 November 2017 at 21:41, Geertjan Wielenga <
> > geertjan.wielenga@googlemail.com> wrote:
> >
> > > Yes, you can use NetBeans 8.2 to edit the code in your fork.
> > >
> > > In the netbeans.conf file, in NetBeans 8.2 installation directory, you
> > > can point to the JDK you want to use. In your fork, that is found in
> > > nbbuild/netbeans/etc.
> > >
> > > Gj
> > >
> > > On Wed, Nov 29, 2017 at 10:38 PM, Ioannis Torounoglou
> > > <jo...@ionio.gr>
> > > wrote:
> > >
> > > > I have already read all these!
> > > >
> > > > But you gave me a clue!!!
> > > >
> > > > I can work with my Netbeans 8.2 editing code from my git fork?
> > > >
> > > > When I run-test NB9 how do I set it to use JDK9 since I have them
> > both???
> > > >
> > > > Thank you!!!
> > > > J!
> > > >
> > > > -----Original Message-----
> > > > From: Geertjan Wielenga [mailto:geertjan.wielenga@googlemail.com]
> > > > Sent: Wednesday, November 29, 2017 11:26 PM
> > > > To: dev@netbeans.incubator.apache.org
> > > > Subject: Re: Newbie On Board!!!
> > > >
> > > > We do document all of these things here:
> > > >
> > > > https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/NETBEANS
> > > >
> > > > For example, you'll find this link:
> > > >
> > > > https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/NETBEANS/
> > > > Installation+of+Apache+NetBeans
> > > >
> > > > The README at Apache Git also tells you to use JDK 8 (and release of
> > > > JDK
> > > > 8) to build NetBeans and that you can either run the built NetBeans
> > > > on
> > > top
> > > > of JDK 8 or JDK 9.
> > > >
> > > > You run 'ant' in the clone that you get from Git, as explained in
> > > > the Apache NetBeans Git README.
> > > >
> > > > You can also get a ZIP from Jenkins, if you don't want to build at
> all:
> > > > builds.apache.org/job/incubator-netbeans-linux
> > > >
> > > > All of the above is described at
> > > > cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/NETBEANS.
> > > >
> > > > You can developed NetBeans in NetBeans 8.2 or the Apache NetBeans 9
> > > build,
> > > > that's up to you.
> > > >
> > > > Gj
> > > >
> > > > On Wed, Nov 29, 2017 at 10:21 PM, Ioannis Torounoglou
> > > > <jo...@ionio.gr>
> > > > wrote:
> > > >
> > > > > Ok!!!
> > > > >
> > > > > Let's start over! Sorry for being rude!
> > > > >
> > > > > I have a new Debian VM, I installed Git, I have Ant, I installed
> > > > > JDK 8 and JDK 9 from oracle.
> > > > >
> > > > > What to do next?
> > > > >
> > > > > Do you develop NB9 inside the built version or using NB 8.2?
> > > > >
> > > > > How do you choose which JDK to be used?
> > > > >
> > > > > J!
> > > > >
> > > > > -----Original Message-----
> > > > > From: Geertjan Wielenga [mailto:geertjan.wielenga@googlemail.com]
> > > > > Sent: Wednesday, November 29, 2017 11:13 PM
> > > > > To: dev@netbeans.incubator.apache.org
> > > > > Subject: Re: Newbie On Board!!!
> > > > >
> > > > > No, nobody is not calling you smart.
> > > > >
> > > > > I'm trying to help you, trying to answer your questions.
> > > > >
> > > > > Thanks,
> > > > >
> > > > > Geertjan
> > > > >
> > > > > On Wed, Nov 29, 2017 at 10:11 PM, Ioannis Torounoglou
> > > > > <jo...@ionio.gr>
> > > > > wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > > Ok maybe I'm not as smart as you!
> > > > > >
> > > > > > So I will leave!
> > > > > >
> > > > > > J!
> > > > > >
> > > > > > PS: I see a lot of people leaving btw! Think about it!
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > > -----Original Message-----
> > > > > > From: Geertjan Wielenga
> > > > > > [mailto:geertjan.wielenga@googlemail.com]
> > > > > > Sent: Wednesday, November 29, 2017 11:04 PM
> > > > > > To: dev@netbeans.incubator.apache.org
> > > > > > Subject: Re: Newbie On Board!!!
> > > > > >
> > > > > > That's precisely what you were told in the first e-mail -- go
> > > > > > here and read the README, it tells you exactly that:
> > > > > > https://github.com/apache/incubator-netbeans
> > > > > >
> > > > > > You can probably also use a lot less exclamation marks.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Gj
> > > > > >
> > > > > > On Wed, Nov 29, 2017 at 10:02 PM, Ioannis Torounoglou
> > > > > > <jo...@ionio.gr>
> > > > > > wrote:
> > > > > >
> > > > > > > I'm sorry to speak like that, because I'm not used to!!!
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > But 4 people replied told me the same thing!!
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > To be in this mailing list means that I have read this page!!!!
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > What I need is very simple a list!!!
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > 1.  you need Ant
> > > > > > > 2 install JDK8
> > > > > > > 3 install JDK9
> > > > > > > 4 Download this
> > > > > > > 5 install that!!!
> > > > > > > 6 YOU ARE READY TO HELP US!!!!
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Why this is so hard for all of you to be done!!!
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > J!
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > -----Original Message-----
> > > > > > > From: Geertjan Wielenga
> > > > > > > [mailto:geertjan.wielenga@googlemail.com]
> > > > > > > Sent: Wednesday, November 29, 2017 10:58 PM
> > > > > > > To: dev@netbeans.incubator.apache.org
> > > > > > > Subject: Re: Newbie On Board!!!
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Hello Ioannis,
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > We don't call each other idiots here.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > NetBeans is incubating at Apache. Apache is a software
> > foundation:
> > > > > > > apache.org
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > What you contribute to an Apache project depends on your needs.
> > > > > > > What would you like NetBeans to be able to do that it
> > > > > > > currently does not do? What features would you like to work on?
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > We are currently working on the Beta release of Apache
> > > > > > > NetBeans
> > > > > > > (incubating) 9.0 and you're welcome to work on that too:
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/NETBEANS/
> > > > > > > Apache+NetBeans+9.0+Beta
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Thanks,
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Geertjan
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > On Wed, Nov 29, 2017 at 9:55 PM, Ioannis Torounoglou
> > > > > > > <jo...@ionio.gr>
> > > > > > > wrote:
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > Why you are so idiots???
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > Everybody here has read https://cwiki.apache.org/
> > > > > > > > confluence/display/NETBEANS/How+to+Participate
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > Why you keep posting that!!!
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > ?
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > -----Original Message-----
> > > > > > > > From: Geertjan Wielenga
> > > > > > > > [mailto:geertjan.wielenga@googlemail.com]
> > > > > > > > Sent: Wednesday, November 29, 2017 10:53 PM
> > > > > > > > To: dev@netbeans.incubator.apache.org
> > > > > > > > Subject: Re: Newbie On Board!!!
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > We need a lot. We need whatever bugs you want to fix or
> > > > > > > > features you want to implement. What would you like to work
> on?
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > How to get involved:
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/NETBEANS/How+to+
> > > > > > > > Part
> > > > > > > > ic
> > > > > > > > ip
> > > > > > > > at
> > > > > > > > e
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > Also, keep following the mailing list, there's tasks and
> > > > > > > > discussions all the time, right now we're working on the
> > > > > > > > Beta
> > > > > release together:
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/NETBEANS/
> > > > > > > > Apache+NetBeans+9.0+Beta
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > Gj
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > On Wed, Nov 29, 2017 at 9:51 PM, Ioannis Torounoglou
> > > > > > > > <jo...@ionio.gr>
> > > > > > > > wrote:
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > So I guess you don't need anything!!!
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > I'm out of here!!!
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > J!
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > -----Original Message-----
> > > > > > > > > From: Geertjan Wielenga
> > > > > > > > > [mailto:geertjan.wielenga@googlemail.com]
> > > > > > > > > Sent: Wednesday, November 29, 2017 3:50 PM
> > > > > > > > > To: dev@netbeans.incubator.apache.org
> > > > > > > > > Subject: Re: Newbie On Board!!!
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > What would you like there to be on the Wiki page that
> > > > > > > > > isn't already
> > > > > > > > there:
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/NETBEANS
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > Gj
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > On Wed, Nov 29, 2017 at 2:43 PM, Ioannis Torounoglou
> > > > > > > > > <jo...@ionio.gr>
> > > > > > > > > wrote:
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > Hi Zoran,
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > This a very good idea!!!
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > I have already found a few things but I'm far away!!!
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > How can I start this wiki page?
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > >  J!
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > -----Original Message-----
> > > > > > > > > > From: Zoran Sevarac [mailto:sevarac@gmail.com]
> > > > > > > > > > Sent: Wednesday, November 29, 2017 10:59 AM
> > > > > > > > > > To: dev@netbeans.incubator.apache.org
> > > > > > > > > > Subject: Re: Newbie On Board!!!
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > Hi Ioannis,
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > The great way to contribute would be that you put
> > > > > > > > > > together a wiki page for 'Getting Started for
> > > > > > > > > > Contributors' which should include all your questions as
> > > > > > > > > > a new contributor, with all the answers you learn along
> > > > > > > > > > the
> > > > > > > > > way.
> > > > > > > > > > You can start by creating that page
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > Cheers
> > > > > > > > > > Zoran
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > On Tue, Nov 28, 2017 at 4:18 PM, Geertjan Wielenga <
> > > > > > > > > > geertjan.wielenga@googlemail.com> wrote:
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > How to build etc is all in the README, like for all
> > > > > > > > > > > other Apache
> > > > > > > > > > projects:
> > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > github.com/apache/incubator-netbeans
> > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > How to get involved:
> > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/NETBEANS/H
> > > > > > > > > > > ow+t
> > > > > > > > > > > o+
> > > > > > > > > > > Pa
> > > > > > > > > > > rt
> > > > > > > > > > > ic
> > > > > > > > > > > ip
> > > > > > > > > > > at
> > > > > > > > > > > e
> > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > Also, keep following the mailing list, there's tasks
> > > > > > > > > > > and discussions all the time, right now we're working
> > > > > > > > > > > on the Beta
> > > > > > > > release together:
> > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/NETBEANS/
> > > > > > > > > > > Apache+NetBeans+9.0+Beta
> > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > Which operating system? Any operating system -- Java
> > > > > > > > > > > is write once, run anywhere.
> > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > Gj
> > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > On Tue, Nov 28, 2017 at 4:14 PM, Ioannis Torounoglou
> > > > > > > > > > > <jo...@ionio.gr>
> > > > > > > > > > > wrote:
> > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > Hello again!!!
> > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > Sorry to bother you all and thanks Antonio for the
> > reply!
> > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > I UNDERSTAND that you are all pretty busy because
> > > > > > > > > > > > this is a huge
> > > > > > > > > > project.
> > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > But if YOU want a community project you mast spend
> > > > > > > > > > > > some time to help community help you!!!
> > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > Some people should stop production and give
> > > > > > > > > > > > information to new people who want to get involved.
> > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > And because these info is not to be sent to e-mail a
> > > > > > > > > > > > WIKI page must be inserted!!!
> > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > Which Operating system should I have!
> > > > > > > > > > > > Which tools CSV, Netbeans, Notepad (which versions
> > > > > > > > > > > > etc.) Info how to build (If I have to build )
> > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > PLEASE HELP us to HELP you!
> > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > J!
> > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > -----Original Message-----
> > > > > > > > > > > > From: Antonio [mailto:antonio@vieiro.net]
> > > > > > > > > > > > Sent: Sunday, November 26, 2017 8:32 AM
> > > > > > > > > > > > To: dev@netbeans.incubator.apache.org
> > > > > > > > > > > > Subject: Re: Newbie On Board!!!
> > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > Welcome, Ioannis,
> > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > You may want to take a look at our wiki at
> > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > Wiki
> > > > > > > > > > > > https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/pages/viewpage.
> > > > > > > > > > > action?pageId=65873923
> > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > Cheers,
> > > > > > > > > > > > Antonio
> > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > El 26/11/17 a las 00:02, Ioannis Torounoglou
> escribió:
> > > > > > > > > > > > > Hello everybody!!!
> > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > I'm new here willing to help!
> > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > I don't know where to start and what to do!
> > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > Any help will be great!
> > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > J!
> > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > >
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> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > --
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> > > > > > > > > > Software Engineering University of Belgrade, Faculty of
> > > > > > > > > > Organisational Sciences < http://www.fon.rs> Neuroph
> > > > > > > > > > <http://neuroph.sourceforge.net/> founder
> > > > > > > > > > | Java Champion
> > > > > > > > > > <https://community.oracle.com/community/java/java-champi
> > > > > > > > > > ons>
> > > > > > > > > > | NetBeans Dream Team
> > > > > > > > > > | <http://wiki.netbeans.org/NetBeansDreamTeam>
> > > > > > > > > > Homepage: http://www.zoransevarac.com
> > > > > > > > > >
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> > > >
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> Department of Software Engineering
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Re: Newbie On Board!!!

Posted by Geertjan Wielenga <ge...@googlemail.com>.
https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/NETBEANS/Mailing+lists

We've tried communicating this multiple times -- here is yet another
attempt.

Gj

On Thu, Dec 7, 2017 at 4:41 PM, Tony Brooksbank <br...@hotmail.com>
wrote:

> You are not the only one. I am getting swamped with the blasted thing. If
> you do find out please let me know.
>
>
> All the best
>
>
> Tony
>
>
> ________________________________
> From: BONUCHI, MICHAEL ROGER <mb...@att.com>
> Sent: 07 December 2017 15:32
> To: dev@netbeans.incubator.apache.org
> Subject: RE: Newbie On Board!!!
>
> Could someone tell me how I can unsubscribe from this email reflector?
>
> Tried a few different times unsuccessfully.
>
> Thank you,
> Roger
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Antonio [mailto:antonio@vieiro.net]
> Sent: Thursday, December 07, 2017 9:31 AM
> To: dev@netbeans.incubator.apache.org
> Subject: Re: Newbie On Board!!!
>
>
>
> El 07/12/17 a las 16:23, Lars Bruun-Hansen escribió:
> > case, not the fork case. I think the intention here is to give a recipe
> for
> > people who want to try out NetBeans, rather than a recipe for PR authors.
> >
>
> I see.
>
> Well, then I think we should clarify both use cases: a) people wishing
> to build NetBeans themselves and b) people wanting to set up a
> "Development Environment" to contribute (with a previous fork).
>
> If we don't want to write both sets of instructions then maybe we want
> to clarify the use case explicitly, saying "this is to build NetBeans
> from source".
>
> Otherwise people will get confused.
>
> Let me know if I can be of any help.
>
> Kind regards,
> Antonio
>

Re: Newbie On Board!!!

Posted by Tony Brooksbank <br...@hotmail.com>.
You are not the only one. I am getting swamped with the blasted thing. If you do find out please let me know.


All the best


Tony


________________________________
From: BONUCHI, MICHAEL ROGER <mb...@att.com>
Sent: 07 December 2017 15:32
To: dev@netbeans.incubator.apache.org
Subject: RE: Newbie On Board!!!

Could someone tell me how I can unsubscribe from this email reflector?

Tried a few different times unsuccessfully.

Thank you,
Roger

-----Original Message-----
From: Antonio [mailto:antonio@vieiro.net]
Sent: Thursday, December 07, 2017 9:31 AM
To: dev@netbeans.incubator.apache.org
Subject: Re: Newbie On Board!!!



El 07/12/17 a las 16:23, Lars Bruun-Hansen escribió:
> case, not the fork case. I think the intention here is to give a recipe for
> people who want to try out NetBeans, rather than a recipe for PR authors.
>

I see.

Well, then I think we should clarify both use cases: a) people wishing
to build NetBeans themselves and b) people wanting to set up a
"Development Environment" to contribute (with a previous fork).

If we don't want to write both sets of instructions then maybe we want
to clarify the use case explicitly, saying "this is to build NetBeans
from source".

Otherwise people will get confused.

Let me know if I can be of any help.

Kind regards,
Antonio

RE: Newbie On Board!!!

Posted by "BONUCHI, MICHAEL ROGER" <mb...@att.com>.
Could someone tell me how I can unsubscribe from this email reflector?

Tried a few different times unsuccessfully.

Thank you,
Roger

-----Original Message-----
From: Antonio [mailto:antonio@vieiro.net] 
Sent: Thursday, December 07, 2017 9:31 AM
To: dev@netbeans.incubator.apache.org
Subject: Re: Newbie On Board!!!



El 07/12/17 a las 16:23, Lars Bruun-Hansen escribió:
> case, not the fork case. I think the intention here is to give a recipe for
> people who want to try out NetBeans, rather than a recipe for PR authors.
> 

I see.

Well, then I think we should clarify both use cases: a) people wishing 
to build NetBeans themselves and b) people wanting to set up a 
"Development Environment" to contribute (with a previous fork).

If we don't want to write both sets of instructions then maybe we want 
to clarify the use case explicitly, saying "this is to build NetBeans 
from source".

Otherwise people will get confused.

Let me know if I can be of any help.

Kind regards,
Antonio

Re: Newbie On Board!!!

Posted by Antonio <an...@vieiro.net>.

El 07/12/17 a las 16:23, Lars Bruun-Hansen escribió:
> case, not the fork case. I think the intention here is to give a recipe for
> people who want to try out NetBeans, rather than a recipe for PR authors.
> 

I see.

Well, then I think we should clarify both use cases: a) people wishing 
to build NetBeans themselves and b) people wanting to set up a 
"Development Environment" to contribute (with a previous fork).

If we don't want to write both sets of instructions then maybe we want 
to clarify the use case explicitly, saying "this is to build NetBeans 
from source".

Otherwise people will get confused.

Let me know if I can be of any help.

Kind regards,
Antonio

Re: Newbie On Board!!!

Posted by Lars Bruun-Hansen <lb...@gmail.com>.
@Antonio:   You are absolutely right. I didn't notice that when I first
applauded the "Development Environment" page.

To be fair the page does indeed try to explain why you may want to fork,
rather than just clone. But the "show me" images all deal with the clone
case, not the fork case. I think the intention here is to give a recipe for
people who want to try out NetBeans, rather than a recipe for PR authors.



On Thu, Dec 7, 2017 at 3:18 PM, Antonio <an...@vieiro.net> wrote:

> Hi all,
>
> In that page I'm missing a previous "fork" step, where people fork the
> NetBeans repository and then clone it.
>
> I'm not sure this is the way we want to work, though. I find it useful to
> fork the repository, so people can create their own branches and do their
> own experiments, and submit pull requests once polished.
>
> So the question is, do we want a previous fork or not?
>
> Thanks,
> Antonio
>
> El 07/12/17 a las 13:15, Zoran Sevarac escribió:
>
> Can we rename the page
>> https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/NETBEANS/Develop
>> ment+Environment
>> to something like 'Quick start' and make it clear that it includes only
>> first steps, and then everything else can go somewhere else?
>>
>> On Wed, Dec 6, 2017 at 11:25 PM, Lars Bruun-Hansen <
>> lbruunhansen@gmail.com>
>> wrote:
>>
>> Hi Ioannis,
>>>
>>> There's also this page
>>> https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/pages/viewpage.action?
>>> pageId=74681408
>>> which predates the "Development Environment" page. (we should make sure
>>> there's no overlap)
>>>
>>> As you can see, on the former page the plan was to document the most
>>> common
>>> tasks a PR author will typically encounter.
>>> For example:
>>>
>>> - How to keep your fork sync'ed with its origin (what you just went
>>> through)
>>> - How to "fix" a stale PR
>>> - How to squash (if required)
>>> - etc
>>>
>>> .. but never really got around to it as such recipes have NOTHING TO DO
>>> WITH NETBEANS. They are generic git and GitHub stuff.
>>> This is not to say it won't have value to document it. But it is by no
>>> means specific to NetBeans, so it feels a little strange to write
>>> instructions for it. If anyone finds the time, please go ahead.
>>>
>>> In the perfect world there would exist such elaborate instructions for
>>> NetBeans PR authors. And in the perfect world they would explain how to
>>> accomplish each task both by doing it from the git command line and how
>>> to
>>> do it from within NetBeans IDE. I've found myself using command line (Git
>>> Bash) much more often than when I used Mercurial. With Mercurial I did
>>> pretty much everything from within the IDE. This may be because I'm not
>>> yet
>>> fully familiar with the git features in the NB IDE.
>>>
>>>
>>> Btw: Big fan of the animations on the "Development Environment" page.
>>> Thumbs up.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On Wed, Dec 6, 2017 at 8:47 PM, Ioannis Torounoglou <jo...@ionio.gr>
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>> After a few days of inactivity I realized that with volunteer development
>>>> it is very easy to be outdated!
>>>>
>>>> When I visited my fork in github I got a message
>>>>
>>>> "This branch is 62 commits behind apache:master."
>>>>
>>>> After a small research to update my fork:
>>>>
>>>> ~$ cd NetBeansProjects/
>>>> ~/NetBeansProjects$ cd incubator-netbeans/
>>>> ~/NetBeansProjects/incubator-netbeans$ git remote add upstream
>>>> https://github.com/apache/incubator-netbeans.git
>>>> ~/NetBeansProjects/incubator-netbeans$ git fetch upstream
>>>> ~/NetBeansProjects/incubator-netbeans$ git pull upstream master
>>>> ~/NetBeansProjects/incubator-netbeans$ git push
>>>>
>>>> My fork is up to date again!!!
>>>>
>>>> May be for some of you is a joke but can/will help many newbies!!!
>>>>
>>>> Feel free to modify it as you like and add it to Newbies Section!!!
>>>>
>>>> Also I think the Issue tracker idea is fantastic and you should spend
>>>>
>>> some
>>>
>>>> time thinking about it!!
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Cheers!!
>>>>
>>>> J!
>>>>
>>>> On Tue, Dec 5, 2017 at 9:40 PM, Ioannis Torounoglou <jo...@ionio.gr>
>>>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> Wooooow!!!
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> I was thinking of making something like that but yours is even
>>>>>
>>>> greater!!!
>>>
>>>>
>>>>> J!
>>>>>
>>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>>> From: Zoran Sevarac [mailto:sevarac@gmail.com]
>>>>> Sent: Tuesday, December 5, 2017 9:02 PM
>>>>> To: dev@netbeans.incubator.apache.org
>>>>> Subject: Re: Newbie On Board!!!
>>>>>
>>>>> John thank you for the changes I think it looks very good now. I've
>>>>>
>>>> added
>>>
>>>> few more sentences.
>>>>>
>>>>> Ioannis please take a look at
>>>>> https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/NETBEANS/
>>>>> Development+Environment
>>>>>
>>>>> and let us know if there is anything else that would help you (and
>>>>>
>>>> others)
>>>>
>>>>> to make the first steps in contributing.
>>>>>
>>>>> I think that we want to make people install and use NetBeans, so focus
>>>>> should be on that. Not sure if there are any contributors who use other
>>>>> IDEs and who want contribute to NetBeans development. This is maybe a
>>>>>
>>>> bit
>>>
>>>> difefrent compared to other apache projects which tend to be IDE
>>>>>
>>>> neutral
>>>
>>>>
>>>>> Also it would be nice for issue tracker
>>>>> https://issues.apache.org/jira/projects/NETBEANS to have some kind of
>>>>> tags for difficulty level so newbies could filter out and quickly start
>>>>> with simpler tasks.
>>>>>
>>>>> Cheers
>>>>> Zoran
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> On Sat, Dec 2, 2017 at 4:12 PM, Ioannis Torounoglou <jo...@ionio.gr>
>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> Thank you Zoran I think we can add some more details on the list!
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I really think is should exist in first place.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Right now I'm busy with other stuff but I promise to come back in the
>>>>>> next days.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Cheers!!!
>>>>>>
>>>>>> J!
>>>>>>
>>>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>>>> From: Zoran Sevarac [mailto:sevarac@gmail.com]
>>>>>> Sent: Saturday, December 2, 2017 10:56 AM
>>>>>> To: dev@netbeans.incubator.apache.org
>>>>>> Subject: Re: Newbie On Board!!!
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Thank you Ioannis, its usefull for us to get the perspective of the
>>>>>> new contributors.
>>>>>> I've added your steps to
>>>>>> https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/NETBEANS/
>>>>>> Development+Environment
>>>>>> as the to the Quick Steps for Newbies section.
>>>>>> I think that page is very important for attracting new developers and
>>>>>> growing the community. I know that my students will be very happy to
>>>>>> have this brief info in one place.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Also I would rename that page to 'Getting started' or 'Quick start'
>>>>>>
>>>>> as
>>>
>>>> thats almost standard for most of the open source projects, and thats
>>>>>> what peopke are looking for.
>>>>>> Regarding the required software I would just put NetBeans IDE which
>>>>>> already comes with Ant, Git and even with JDK.
>>>>>> Since this page is targeted for absolute beginner this will help them
>>>>>> to get started faster, and more advanced users would know what to do.
>>>>>> Also I think that its ok to build NetBEans from the NetBeans, and not
>>>>>> from the command line, since thats what Ioannis did, and that
>>>>>> perfectly makes sense to me.
>>>>>> Please let me know what you think about suggested changes?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Thanks
>>>>>> Zoran
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On Thu, Nov 30, 2017 at 12:03 AM, Ioannis Torounoglou
>>>>>> <jo...@ionio.gr>
>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Thank you John!
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> This is what I had in mind!
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Maybe you can add some links
>>>>>>> Java SE Development Kit 8
>>>>>>> (http://www.oracle.com/technetwork/java/javase/
>>>>>>> downloads/jdk8-downloads-2133151.html ) Git
>>>>>>> (https://git-scm.com/downloads ) for Linux
>>>>>>> https://git-scm.com/download/linux information for different
>>>>>>> distributions.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Ant I think is included in Netbeans 8.2 (I don't know about 9)
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> We should improve the "How to get started locally"
>>>>>>> I will tell you what I did so maybe you can correct it and upload
>>>>>>>
>>>>>> it
>>>
>>>>
>>>>>>> 1. Create an account on github (https://github.com/) 2. While
>>>>>>>
>>>>>> logged
>>>
>>>> in visit https://github.com/apache/incubator-netbeans
>>>>>>> 3. Fork the project to your account.
>>>>>>> 4. Your git repository is https://github.com/USERNAME/
>>>>>>> incubator-netbeans.git 5. Inside Netbeans (8.2 I don't know about
>>>>>>>
>>>>>> 9)
>>>
>>>> choose Team>Git>Clone...
>>>>>>> 6. Fill in the form with your repository/username/password and the
>>>>>>> local path to save 7. Click Next , Select master then Next and
>>>>>>> finally finish.
>>>>>>> 8. Download is starting and you get your local copy.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> ---------
>>>>>>> I'm up to here right now I tried
>>>>>>> $ant
>>>>>>> But I have some errors that I have to check I will post the next
>>>>>>> steps as I manage to move on!
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Keep on!!!
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> J!
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>>>>> From: John McDonnell [mailto:mcdonnell.john@gmail.com]
>>>>>>> Sent: Thursday, November 30, 2017 12:18 AM
>>>>>>> To: dev@netbeans.incubator.apache.org
>>>>>>> Subject: Re: Newbie On Board!!!
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Ioannis,
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I've added a Developer Environment page to Confluence:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/NETBEANS/
>>>>>>>
>>>>>> Developer+Envir
>>>
>>>> on
>>>>>>> ment
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> If you think there's something missing feel free to add to it, or
>>>>>>> indeed let me know and I can add to the page.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Regards
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> John
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On 29 November 2017 at 21:41, Geertjan Wielenga <
>>>>>>> geertjan.wielenga@googlemail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Yes, you can use NetBeans 8.2 to edit the code in your fork.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> In the netbeans.conf file, in NetBeans 8.2 installation
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> directory,
>>>
>>>> you can point to the JDK you want to use. In your fork, that is
>>>>>>>> found in nbbuild/netbeans/etc.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Gj
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> On Wed, Nov 29, 2017 at 10:38 PM, Ioannis Torounoglou
>>>>>>>> <jo...@ionio.gr>
>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> I have already read all these!
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> But you gave me a clue!!!
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> I can work with my Netbeans 8.2 editing code from my git fork?
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> When I run-test NB9 how do I set it to use JDK9 since I have
>>>>>>>>> them
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> both???
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Thank you!!!
>>>>>>>>> J!
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>>>>>>> From: Geertjan Wielenga
>>>>>>>>> [mailto:geertjan.wielenga@googlemail.com]
>>>>>>>>> Sent: Wednesday, November 29, 2017 11:26 PM
>>>>>>>>> To: dev@netbeans.incubator.apache.org
>>>>>>>>> Subject: Re: Newbie On Board!!!
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> We do document all of these things here:
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/NETBEANS
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> For example, you'll find this link:
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/NETBEANS/
>>>>>>>>> Installation+of+Apache+NetBeans
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> The README at Apache Git also tells you to use JDK 8 (and
>>>>>>>>> release of JDK
>>>>>>>>> 8) to build NetBeans and that you can either run the built
>>>>>>>>> NetBeans on
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> top
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> of JDK 8 or JDK 9.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> You run 'ant' in the clone that you get from Git, as explained
>>>>>>>>> in the Apache NetBeans Git README.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> You can also get a ZIP from Jenkins, if you don't want to build
>>>>>>>>> at
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> all:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> builds.apache.org/job/incubator-netbeans-linux
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> All of the above is described at
>>>>>>>>> cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/NETBEANS.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> You can developed NetBeans in NetBeans 8.2 or the Apache
>>>>>>>>> NetBeans
>>>>>>>>> 9
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> build,
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> that's up to you.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Gj
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> On Wed, Nov 29, 2017 at 10:21 PM, Ioannis Torounoglou
>>>>>>>>> <jo...@ionio.gr>
>>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Ok!!!
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Let's start over! Sorry for being rude!
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> I have a new Debian VM, I installed Git, I have Ant, I
>>>>>>>>>> installed JDK 8 and JDK 9 from oracle.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> What to do next?
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Do you develop NB9 inside the built version or using NB 8.2?
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> How do you choose which JDK to be used?
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> J!
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>>>>>>>> From: Geertjan Wielenga
>>>>>>>>>> [mailto:geertjan.wielenga@googlemail.com]
>>>>>>>>>> Sent: Wednesday, November 29, 2017 11:13 PM
>>>>>>>>>> To: dev@netbeans.incubator.apache.org
>>>>>>>>>> Subject: Re: Newbie On Board!!!
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> No, nobody is not calling you smart.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> I'm trying to help you, trying to answer your questions.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Thanks,
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Geertjan
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> On Wed, Nov 29, 2017 at 10:11 PM, Ioannis Torounoglou
>>>>>>>>>> <jo...@ionio.gr>
>>>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Ok maybe I'm not as smart as you!
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> So I will leave!
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> J!
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> PS: I see a lot of people leaving btw! Think about it!
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>>>>>>>>> From: Geertjan Wielenga
>>>>>>>>>>> [mailto:geertjan.wielenga@googlemail.com]
>>>>>>>>>>> Sent: Wednesday, November 29, 2017 11:04 PM
>>>>>>>>>>> To: dev@netbeans.incubator.apache.org
>>>>>>>>>>> Subject: Re: Newbie On Board!!!
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> That's precisely what you were told in the first e-mail --
>>>>>>>>>>> go here and read the README, it tells you exactly that:
>>>>>>>>>>> https://github.com/apache/incubator-netbeans
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> You can probably also use a lot less exclamation marks.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Gj
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> On Wed, Nov 29, 2017 at 10:02 PM, Ioannis Torounoglou
>>>>>>>>>>> <jo...@ionio.gr>
>>>>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> I'm sorry to speak like that, because I'm not used to!!!
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> But 4 people replied told me the same thing!!
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> To be in this mailing list means that I have read this
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> page!!!!
>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> What I need is very simple a list!!!
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> 1.  you need Ant
>>>>>>>>>>>> 2 install JDK8
>>>>>>>>>>>> 3 install JDK9
>>>>>>>>>>>> 4 Download this
>>>>>>>>>>>> 5 install that!!!
>>>>>>>>>>>> 6 YOU ARE READY TO HELP US!!!!
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> Why this is so hard for all of you to be done!!!
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> J!
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>>>>>>>>>> From: Geertjan Wielenga
>>>>>>>>>>>> [mailto:geertjan.wielenga@googlemail.com]
>>>>>>>>>>>> Sent: Wednesday, November 29, 2017 10:58 PM
>>>>>>>>>>>> To: dev@netbeans.incubator.apache.org
>>>>>>>>>>>> Subject: Re: Newbie On Board!!!
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> Hello Ioannis,
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> We don't call each other idiots here.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> NetBeans is incubating at Apache. Apache is a software
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> foundation:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> apache.org
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> What you contribute to an Apache project depends on your
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> needs.
>>>>>
>>>>>> What would you like NetBeans to be able to do that it
>>>>>>>>>>>> currently does not do? What features would you like to
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> work
>>>
>>>> on?
>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> We are currently working on the Beta release of Apache
>>>>>>>>>>>> NetBeans
>>>>>>>>>>>> (incubating) 9.0 and you're welcome to work on that too:
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/NETBEANS/
>>>>>>>>>>>> Apache+NetBeans+9.0+Beta
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> Thanks,
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> Geertjan
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> On Wed, Nov 29, 2017 at 9:55 PM, Ioannis Torounoglou
>>>>>>>>>>>> <jo...@ionio.gr>
>>>>>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> Why you are so idiots???
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Everybody here has read https://cwiki.apache.org/
>>>>>>>>>>>>> confluence/display/NETBEANS/How+to+Participate
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Why you keep posting that!!!
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> ?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>>>>>>>>>>> From: Geertjan Wielenga
>>>>>>>>>>>>> [mailto:geertjan.wielenga@googlemail.com]
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Sent: Wednesday, November 29, 2017 10:53 PM
>>>>>>>>>>>>> To: dev@netbeans.incubator.apache.org
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Subject: Re: Newbie On Board!!!
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> We need a lot. We need whatever bugs you want to fix or
>>>>>>>>>>>>> features you want to implement. What would you like to
>>>>>>>>>>>>> work
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> on?
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> How to get involved:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/NETBEANS/
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> How
>>>
>>>> +t
>>>>>>>>>>>>> o+
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Part
>>>>>>>>>>>>> ic
>>>>>>>>>>>>> ip
>>>>>>>>>>>>> at
>>>>>>>>>>>>> e
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Also, keep following the mailing list, there's tasks
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> and
>>>
>>>> discussions all the time, right now we're working on
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> the
>>>
>>>> Beta
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> release together:
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/NETBEANS/
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Apache+NetBeans+9.0+Beta
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Gj
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Wed, Nov 29, 2017 at 9:51 PM, Ioannis Torounoglou
>>>>>>>>>>>>> <jo...@ionio.gr>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> So I guess you don't need anything!!!
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I'm out of here!!!
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> J!
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> From: Geertjan Wielenga
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> [mailto:geertjan.wielenga@googlemail.com]
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Sent: Wednesday, November 29, 2017 3:50 PM
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> To: dev@netbeans.incubator.apache.org
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Subject: Re: Newbie On Board!!!
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> What would you like there to be on the Wiki page that
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> isn't already
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> there:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/NETBEANS
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Gj
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Wed, Nov 29, 2017 at 2:43 PM, Ioannis Torounoglou
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> <jo...@ionio.gr>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Hi Zoran,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> This a very good idea!!!
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I have already found a few things but I'm far
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> away!!!
>>>
>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> How can I start this wiki page?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>   J!
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> From: Zoran Sevarac [mailto:sevarac@gmail.com]
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Sent: Wednesday, November 29, 2017 10:59 AM
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> To: dev@netbeans.incubator.apache.org
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Subject: Re: Newbie On Board!!!
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Hi Ioannis,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> The great way to contribute would be that you put
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> together a wiki page for 'Getting Started for
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Contributors' which should include all your
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> questions as a new contributor, with all the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> answers
>>>
>>>> you learn along the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> way.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> You can start by creating that page
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Cheers
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Zoran
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Tue, Nov 28, 2017 at 4:18 PM, Geertjan Wielenga
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> <
>>>
>>>> geertjan.wielenga@googlemail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> How to build etc is all in the README, like for
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> all other Apache
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> projects:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> github.com/apache/incubator-netbeans
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> How to get involved:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> https://cwiki.apache.org/
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> confluence/display/NETBEA
>>>
>>>> NS
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> /H
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> ow+t
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> o+
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Pa
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> rt
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> ic
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> ip
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> at
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> e
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Also, keep following the mailing list, there's
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> tasks and discussions all the time, right now
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> we're working on the Beta
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> release together:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> https://cwiki.apache.org/
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> confluence/display/NETBEA
>>>
>>>> NS
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> /
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Apache+NetBeans+9.0+Beta
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Which operating system? Any operating system --
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Java is write once, run anywhere.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Gj
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Tue, Nov 28, 2017 at 4:14 PM, Ioannis
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Torounoglou <jo...@ionio.gr>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Hello again!!!
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Sorry to bother you all and thanks Antonio for
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> reply!
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I UNDERSTAND that you are all pretty busy
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> because this is a huge
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> project.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> But if YOU want a community project you mast
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> spend some time to help community help you!!!
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Some people should stop production and give
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> information to new people who want to get
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> involved.
>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> And because these info is not to be sent to
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> e-mail a WIKI page must be inserted!!!
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Which Operating system should I have!
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Which tools CSV, Netbeans, Notepad (which
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> versions
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> etc.) Info how to build (If I have to build )
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> PLEASE HELP us to HELP you!
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> J!
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> From: Antonio [mailto:antonio@vieiro.net]
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Sent: Sunday, November 26, 2017 8:32 AM
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> To: dev@netbeans.incubator.apache.org
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Subject: Re: Newbie On Board!!!
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Welcome, Ioannis,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> You may want to take a look at our wiki at
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Wiki
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> https://cwiki.apache.org/
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> confluence/pages/viewpage
>>>>
>>>>> .
>>>>>
>>>>>> action?pageId=65873923
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Cheers,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Antonio
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> El 26/11/17 a las 00:02, Ioannis Torounoglou
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> escribió:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Hello everybody!!!
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I'm new here willing to help!
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I don't know where to start and what to do!
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Any help will be great!
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> J!
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> --
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Zoran Sevarac, PhD, Assistant Professor Department
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> of Software Engineering University of Belgrade,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Faculty of Organisational Sciences <
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> http://www.fon.rs> Neuroph
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> <http://neuroph.sourceforge.net/> founder
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> | Java Champion
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> <https://community.oracle.com/
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> community/java/java-ch
>>>
>>>> am
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> pi
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> ons>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> | NetBeans Dream Team
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> | <http://wiki.netbeans.org/NetBeansDreamTeam>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Homepage: http://www.zoransevarac.com
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> --
>>>>>> Zoran Sevarac, PhD, Assistant Professor Department of Software
>>>>>> Engineering University of Belgrade, Faculty of Organisational
>>>>>>
>>>>> Sciences
>>>
>>>> < http://www.fon.rs> Neuroph <http://neuroph.sourceforge.net/>
>>>>>>
>>>>> founder
>>>
>>>> | Java Champion
>>>>>> <https://community.oracle.com/community/java/java-champions>
>>>>>> | NetBeans Dream Team <http://wiki.netbeans.org/NetBeansDreamTeam>
>>>>>> Homepage: http://www.zoransevarac.com
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> --
>>>>> Zoran Sevarac, PhD, Assistant Professor
>>>>> Department of Software Engineering
>>>>> University of Belgrade, Faculty of Organisational Sciences <
>>>>> http://www.fon.rs> Neuroph <http://neuroph.sourceforge.net/> founder |
>>>>> Java Champion <https://community.oracle.com/
>>>>>
>>>> community/java/java-champions>
>>>>
>>>>> | NetBeans Dream Team <http://wiki.netbeans.org/NetBeansDreamTeam>
>>>>> Homepage: http://www.zoransevarac.com
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>
>>
>>

Re: Newbie On Board!!!

Posted by Antonio <an...@vieiro.net>.
Hi all,

In that page I'm missing a previous "fork" step, where people fork the 
NetBeans repository and then clone it.

I'm not sure this is the way we want to work, though. I find it useful 
to fork the repository, so people can create their own branches and do 
their own experiments, and submit pull requests once polished.

So the question is, do we want a previous fork or not?

Thanks,
Antonio

El 07/12/17 a las 13:15, Zoran Sevarac escribió:
> Can we rename the page
> https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/NETBEANS/Development+Environment
> to something like 'Quick start' and make it clear that it includes only
> first steps, and then everything else can go somewhere else?
> 
> On Wed, Dec 6, 2017 at 11:25 PM, Lars Bruun-Hansen <lb...@gmail.com>
> wrote:
> 
>> Hi Ioannis,
>>
>> There's also this page
>> https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/pages/viewpage.action?pageId=74681408
>> which predates the "Development Environment" page. (we should make sure
>> there's no overlap)
>>
>> As you can see, on the former page the plan was to document the most common
>> tasks a PR author will typically encounter.
>> For example:
>>
>> - How to keep your fork sync'ed with its origin (what you just went
>> through)
>> - How to "fix" a stale PR
>> - How to squash (if required)
>> - etc
>>
>> .. but never really got around to it as such recipes have NOTHING TO DO
>> WITH NETBEANS. They are generic git and GitHub stuff.
>> This is not to say it won't have value to document it. But it is by no
>> means specific to NetBeans, so it feels a little strange to write
>> instructions for it. If anyone finds the time, please go ahead.
>>
>> In the perfect world there would exist such elaborate instructions for
>> NetBeans PR authors. And in the perfect world they would explain how to
>> accomplish each task both by doing it from the git command line and how to
>> do it from within NetBeans IDE. I've found myself using command line (Git
>> Bash) much more often than when I used Mercurial. With Mercurial I did
>> pretty much everything from within the IDE. This may be because I'm not yet
>> fully familiar with the git features in the NB IDE.
>>
>>
>> Btw: Big fan of the animations on the "Development Environment" page.
>> Thumbs up.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> On Wed, Dec 6, 2017 at 8:47 PM, Ioannis Torounoglou <jo...@ionio.gr>
>> wrote:
>>
>>> After a few days of inactivity I realized that with volunteer development
>>> it is very easy to be outdated!
>>>
>>> When I visited my fork in github I got a message
>>>
>>> "This branch is 62 commits behind apache:master."
>>>
>>> After a small research to update my fork:
>>>
>>> ~$ cd NetBeansProjects/
>>> ~/NetBeansProjects$ cd incubator-netbeans/
>>> ~/NetBeansProjects/incubator-netbeans$ git remote add upstream
>>> https://github.com/apache/incubator-netbeans.git
>>> ~/NetBeansProjects/incubator-netbeans$ git fetch upstream
>>> ~/NetBeansProjects/incubator-netbeans$ git pull upstream master
>>> ~/NetBeansProjects/incubator-netbeans$ git push
>>>
>>> My fork is up to date again!!!
>>>
>>> May be for some of you is a joke but can/will help many newbies!!!
>>>
>>> Feel free to modify it as you like and add it to Newbies Section!!!
>>>
>>> Also I think the Issue tracker idea is fantastic and you should spend
>> some
>>> time thinking about it!!
>>>
>>>
>>> Cheers!!
>>>
>>> J!
>>>
>>> On Tue, Dec 5, 2017 at 9:40 PM, Ioannis Torounoglou <jo...@ionio.gr>
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>> Wooooow!!!
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> I was thinking of making something like that but yours is even
>> greater!!!
>>>>
>>>> J!
>>>>
>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>> From: Zoran Sevarac [mailto:sevarac@gmail.com]
>>>> Sent: Tuesday, December 5, 2017 9:02 PM
>>>> To: dev@netbeans.incubator.apache.org
>>>> Subject: Re: Newbie On Board!!!
>>>>
>>>> John thank you for the changes I think it looks very good now. I've
>> added
>>>> few more sentences.
>>>>
>>>> Ioannis please take a look at
>>>> https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/NETBEANS/
>>>> Development+Environment
>>>>
>>>> and let us know if there is anything else that would help you (and
>>> others)
>>>> to make the first steps in contributing.
>>>>
>>>> I think that we want to make people install and use NetBeans, so focus
>>>> should be on that. Not sure if there are any contributors who use other
>>>> IDEs and who want contribute to NetBeans development. This is maybe a
>> bit
>>>> difefrent compared to other apache projects which tend to be IDE
>> neutral
>>>>
>>>> Also it would be nice for issue tracker
>>>> https://issues.apache.org/jira/projects/NETBEANS to have some kind of
>>>> tags for difficulty level so newbies could filter out and quickly start
>>>> with simpler tasks.
>>>>
>>>> Cheers
>>>> Zoran
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On Sat, Dec 2, 2017 at 4:12 PM, Ioannis Torounoglou <jo...@ionio.gr>
>>>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Thank you Zoran I think we can add some more details on the list!
>>>>>
>>>>> I really think is should exist in first place.
>>>>>
>>>>> Right now I'm busy with other stuff but I promise to come back in the
>>>>> next days.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Cheers!!!
>>>>>
>>>>> J!
>>>>>
>>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>>> From: Zoran Sevarac [mailto:sevarac@gmail.com]
>>>>> Sent: Saturday, December 2, 2017 10:56 AM
>>>>> To: dev@netbeans.incubator.apache.org
>>>>> Subject: Re: Newbie On Board!!!
>>>>>
>>>>> Thank you Ioannis, its usefull for us to get the perspective of the
>>>>> new contributors.
>>>>> I've added your steps to
>>>>> https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/NETBEANS/
>>>>> Development+Environment
>>>>> as the to the Quick Steps for Newbies section.
>>>>> I think that page is very important for attracting new developers and
>>>>> growing the community. I know that my students will be very happy to
>>>>> have this brief info in one place.
>>>>>
>>>>> Also I would rename that page to 'Getting started' or 'Quick start'
>> as
>>>>> thats almost standard for most of the open source projects, and thats
>>>>> what peopke are looking for.
>>>>> Regarding the required software I would just put NetBeans IDE which
>>>>> already comes with Ant, Git and even with JDK.
>>>>> Since this page is targeted for absolute beginner this will help them
>>>>> to get started faster, and more advanced users would know what to do.
>>>>> Also I think that its ok to build NetBEans from the NetBeans, and not
>>>>> from the command line, since thats what Ioannis did, and that
>>>>> perfectly makes sense to me.
>>>>> Please let me know what you think about suggested changes?
>>>>>
>>>>> Thanks
>>>>> Zoran
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> On Thu, Nov 30, 2017 at 12:03 AM, Ioannis Torounoglou
>>>>> <jo...@ionio.gr>
>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> Thank you John!
>>>>>>
>>>>>> This is what I had in mind!
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Maybe you can add some links
>>>>>> Java SE Development Kit 8
>>>>>> (http://www.oracle.com/technetwork/java/javase/
>>>>>> downloads/jdk8-downloads-2133151.html ) Git
>>>>>> (https://git-scm.com/downloads ) for Linux
>>>>>> https://git-scm.com/download/linux information for different
>>>>>> distributions.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Ant I think is included in Netbeans 8.2 (I don't know about 9)
>>>>>>
>>>>>> We should improve the "How to get started locally"
>>>>>> I will tell you what I did so maybe you can correct it and upload
>> it
>>>>>>
>>>>>> 1. Create an account on github (https://github.com/) 2. While
>> logged
>>>>>> in visit https://github.com/apache/incubator-netbeans
>>>>>> 3. Fork the project to your account.
>>>>>> 4. Your git repository is https://github.com/USERNAME/
>>>>>> incubator-netbeans.git 5. Inside Netbeans (8.2 I don't know about
>> 9)
>>>>>> choose Team>Git>Clone...
>>>>>> 6. Fill in the form with your repository/username/password and the
>>>>>> local path to save 7. Click Next , Select master then Next and
>>>>>> finally finish.
>>>>>> 8. Download is starting and you get your local copy.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> ---------
>>>>>> I'm up to here right now I tried
>>>>>> $ant
>>>>>> But I have some errors that I have to check I will post the next
>>>>>> steps as I manage to move on!
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Keep on!!!
>>>>>>
>>>>>> J!
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>>>> From: John McDonnell [mailto:mcdonnell.john@gmail.com]
>>>>>> Sent: Thursday, November 30, 2017 12:18 AM
>>>>>> To: dev@netbeans.incubator.apache.org
>>>>>> Subject: Re: Newbie On Board!!!
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Ioannis,
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I've added a Developer Environment page to Confluence:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/NETBEANS/
>> Developer+Envir
>>>>>> on
>>>>>> ment
>>>>>>
>>>>>> If you think there's something missing feel free to add to it, or
>>>>>> indeed let me know and I can add to the page.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Regards
>>>>>>
>>>>>> John
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On 29 November 2017 at 21:41, Geertjan Wielenga <
>>>>>> geertjan.wielenga@googlemail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Yes, you can use NetBeans 8.2 to edit the code in your fork.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> In the netbeans.conf file, in NetBeans 8.2 installation
>> directory,
>>>>>>> you can point to the JDK you want to use. In your fork, that is
>>>>>>> found in nbbuild/netbeans/etc.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Gj
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On Wed, Nov 29, 2017 at 10:38 PM, Ioannis Torounoglou
>>>>>>> <jo...@ionio.gr>
>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> I have already read all these!
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> But you gave me a clue!!!
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> I can work with my Netbeans 8.2 editing code from my git fork?
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> When I run-test NB9 how do I set it to use JDK9 since I have
>>>>>>>> them
>>>>>> both???
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Thank you!!!
>>>>>>>> J!
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>>>>>> From: Geertjan Wielenga
>>>>>>>> [mailto:geertjan.wielenga@googlemail.com]
>>>>>>>> Sent: Wednesday, November 29, 2017 11:26 PM
>>>>>>>> To: dev@netbeans.incubator.apache.org
>>>>>>>> Subject: Re: Newbie On Board!!!
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> We do document all of these things here:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/NETBEANS
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> For example, you'll find this link:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/NETBEANS/
>>>>>>>> Installation+of+Apache+NetBeans
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> The README at Apache Git also tells you to use JDK 8 (and
>>>>>>>> release of JDK
>>>>>>>> 8) to build NetBeans and that you can either run the built
>>>>>>>> NetBeans on
>>>>>>> top
>>>>>>>> of JDK 8 or JDK 9.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> You run 'ant' in the clone that you get from Git, as explained
>>>>>>>> in the Apache NetBeans Git README.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> You can also get a ZIP from Jenkins, if you don't want to build
>>>>>>>> at
>>>>> all:
>>>>>>>> builds.apache.org/job/incubator-netbeans-linux
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> All of the above is described at
>>>>>>>> cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/NETBEANS.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> You can developed NetBeans in NetBeans 8.2 or the Apache
>>>>>>>> NetBeans
>>>>>>>> 9
>>>>>>> build,
>>>>>>>> that's up to you.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Gj
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> On Wed, Nov 29, 2017 at 10:21 PM, Ioannis Torounoglou
>>>>>>>> <jo...@ionio.gr>
>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Ok!!!
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Let's start over! Sorry for being rude!
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> I have a new Debian VM, I installed Git, I have Ant, I
>>>>>>>>> installed JDK 8 and JDK 9 from oracle.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> What to do next?
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Do you develop NB9 inside the built version or using NB 8.2?
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> How do you choose which JDK to be used?
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> J!
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>>>>>>> From: Geertjan Wielenga
>>>>>>>>> [mailto:geertjan.wielenga@googlemail.com]
>>>>>>>>> Sent: Wednesday, November 29, 2017 11:13 PM
>>>>>>>>> To: dev@netbeans.incubator.apache.org
>>>>>>>>> Subject: Re: Newbie On Board!!!
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> No, nobody is not calling you smart.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> I'm trying to help you, trying to answer your questions.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Thanks,
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Geertjan
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> On Wed, Nov 29, 2017 at 10:11 PM, Ioannis Torounoglou
>>>>>>>>> <jo...@ionio.gr>
>>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Ok maybe I'm not as smart as you!
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> So I will leave!
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> J!
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> PS: I see a lot of people leaving btw! Think about it!
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>>>>>>>> From: Geertjan Wielenga
>>>>>>>>>> [mailto:geertjan.wielenga@googlemail.com]
>>>>>>>>>> Sent: Wednesday, November 29, 2017 11:04 PM
>>>>>>>>>> To: dev@netbeans.incubator.apache.org
>>>>>>>>>> Subject: Re: Newbie On Board!!!
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> That's precisely what you were told in the first e-mail --
>>>>>>>>>> go here and read the README, it tells you exactly that:
>>>>>>>>>> https://github.com/apache/incubator-netbeans
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> You can probably also use a lot less exclamation marks.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Gj
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> On Wed, Nov 29, 2017 at 10:02 PM, Ioannis Torounoglou
>>>>>>>>>> <jo...@ionio.gr>
>>>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> I'm sorry to speak like that, because I'm not used to!!!
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> But 4 people replied told me the same thing!!
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> To be in this mailing list means that I have read this
>>>> page!!!!
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> What I need is very simple a list!!!
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> 1.  you need Ant
>>>>>>>>>>> 2 install JDK8
>>>>>>>>>>> 3 install JDK9
>>>>>>>>>>> 4 Download this
>>>>>>>>>>> 5 install that!!!
>>>>>>>>>>> 6 YOU ARE READY TO HELP US!!!!
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Why this is so hard for all of you to be done!!!
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> J!
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>>>>>>>>> From: Geertjan Wielenga
>>>>>>>>>>> [mailto:geertjan.wielenga@googlemail.com]
>>>>>>>>>>> Sent: Wednesday, November 29, 2017 10:58 PM
>>>>>>>>>>> To: dev@netbeans.incubator.apache.org
>>>>>>>>>>> Subject: Re: Newbie On Board!!!
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Hello Ioannis,
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> We don't call each other idiots here.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> NetBeans is incubating at Apache. Apache is a software
>>>>>> foundation:
>>>>>>>>>>> apache.org
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> What you contribute to an Apache project depends on your
>>>> needs.
>>>>>>>>>>> What would you like NetBeans to be able to do that it
>>>>>>>>>>> currently does not do? What features would you like to
>> work
>>>> on?
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> We are currently working on the Beta release of Apache
>>>>>>>>>>> NetBeans
>>>>>>>>>>> (incubating) 9.0 and you're welcome to work on that too:
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/NETBEANS/
>>>>>>>>>>> Apache+NetBeans+9.0+Beta
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Thanks,
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Geertjan
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> On Wed, Nov 29, 2017 at 9:55 PM, Ioannis Torounoglou
>>>>>>>>>>> <jo...@ionio.gr>
>>>>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> Why you are so idiots???
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> Everybody here has read https://cwiki.apache.org/
>>>>>>>>>>>> confluence/display/NETBEANS/How+to+Participate
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> Why you keep posting that!!!
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> ?
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>>>>>>>>>> From: Geertjan Wielenga
>>>>>>>>>>>> [mailto:geertjan.wielenga@googlemail.com]
>>>>>>>>>>>> Sent: Wednesday, November 29, 2017 10:53 PM
>>>>>>>>>>>> To: dev@netbeans.incubator.apache.org
>>>>>>>>>>>> Subject: Re: Newbie On Board!!!
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> We need a lot. We need whatever bugs you want to fix or
>>>>>>>>>>>> features you want to implement. What would you like to
>>>>>>>>>>>> work
>>>>> on?
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> How to get involved:
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/NETBEANS/
>> How
>>>>>>>>>>>> +t
>>>>>>>>>>>> o+
>>>>>>>>>>>> Part
>>>>>>>>>>>> ic
>>>>>>>>>>>> ip
>>>>>>>>>>>> at
>>>>>>>>>>>> e
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> Also, keep following the mailing list, there's tasks
>> and
>>>>>>>>>>>> discussions all the time, right now we're working on
>> the
>>>>>>>>>>>> Beta
>>>>>>>>> release together:
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/NETBEANS/
>>>>>>>>>>>> Apache+NetBeans+9.0+Beta
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> Gj
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> On Wed, Nov 29, 2017 at 9:51 PM, Ioannis Torounoglou
>>>>>>>>>>>> <jo...@ionio.gr>
>>>>>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> So I guess you don't need anything!!!
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> I'm out of here!!!
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> J!
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>>>>>>>>>>> From: Geertjan Wielenga
>>>>>>>>>>>>> [mailto:geertjan.wielenga@googlemail.com]
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Sent: Wednesday, November 29, 2017 3:50 PM
>>>>>>>>>>>>> To: dev@netbeans.incubator.apache.org
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Subject: Re: Newbie On Board!!!
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> What would you like there to be on the Wiki page that
>>>>>>>>>>>>> isn't already
>>>>>>>>>>>> there:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/NETBEANS
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Gj
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Wed, Nov 29, 2017 at 2:43 PM, Ioannis Torounoglou
>>>>>>>>>>>>> <jo...@ionio.gr>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Hi Zoran,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> This a very good idea!!!
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I have already found a few things but I'm far
>> away!!!
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> How can I start this wiki page?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>   J!
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> From: Zoran Sevarac [mailto:sevarac@gmail.com]
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Sent: Wednesday, November 29, 2017 10:59 AM
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> To: dev@netbeans.incubator.apache.org
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Subject: Re: Newbie On Board!!!
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Hi Ioannis,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> The great way to contribute would be that you put
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> together a wiki page for 'Getting Started for
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Contributors' which should include all your
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> questions as a new contributor, with all the
>> answers
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> you learn along the
>>>>>>>>>>>>> way.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> You can start by creating that page
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Cheers
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Zoran
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Tue, Nov 28, 2017 at 4:18 PM, Geertjan Wielenga
>> <
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> geertjan.wielenga@googlemail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> How to build etc is all in the README, like for
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> all other Apache
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> projects:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> github.com/apache/incubator-netbeans
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> How to get involved:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> https://cwiki.apache.org/
>> confluence/display/NETBEA
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> NS
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> /H
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> ow+t
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> o+
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Pa
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> rt
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> ic
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> ip
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> at
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> e
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Also, keep following the mailing list, there's
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> tasks and discussions all the time, right now
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> we're working on the Beta
>>>>>>>>>>>> release together:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> https://cwiki.apache.org/
>> confluence/display/NETBEA
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> NS
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> /
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Apache+NetBeans+9.0+Beta
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Which operating system? Any operating system --
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Java is write once, run anywhere.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Gj
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Tue, Nov 28, 2017 at 4:14 PM, Ioannis
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Torounoglou <jo...@ionio.gr>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Hello again!!!
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Sorry to bother you all and thanks Antonio for
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the
>>>>>> reply!
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I UNDERSTAND that you are all pretty busy
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> because this is a huge
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> project.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> But if YOU want a community project you mast
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> spend some time to help community help you!!!
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Some people should stop production and give
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> information to new people who want to get
>>> involved.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> And because these info is not to be sent to
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> e-mail a WIKI page must be inserted!!!
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Which Operating system should I have!
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Which tools CSV, Netbeans, Notepad (which
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> versions
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> etc.) Info how to build (If I have to build )
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> PLEASE HELP us to HELP you!
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> J!
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> From: Antonio [mailto:antonio@vieiro.net]
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Sent: Sunday, November 26, 2017 8:32 AM
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> To: dev@netbeans.incubator.apache.org
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Subject: Re: Newbie On Board!!!
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Welcome, Ioannis,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> You may want to take a look at our wiki at
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Wiki
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> https://cwiki.apache.org/
>>> confluence/pages/viewpage
>>>> .
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> action?pageId=65873923
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Cheers,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Antonio
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> El 26/11/17 a las 00:02, Ioannis Torounoglou
>>>>> escribió:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Hello everybody!!!
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I'm new here willing to help!
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I don't know where to start and what to do!
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Any help will be great!
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> J!
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> --
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Zoran Sevarac, PhD, Assistant Professor Department
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> of Software Engineering University of Belgrade,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Faculty of Organisational Sciences <
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> http://www.fon.rs> Neuroph
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> <http://neuroph.sourceforge.net/> founder
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> | Java Champion
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> <https://community.oracle.com/
>> community/java/java-ch
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> am
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> pi
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> ons>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> | NetBeans Dream Team
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> | <http://wiki.netbeans.org/NetBeansDreamTeam>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Homepage: http://www.zoransevarac.com
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>>>>> Zoran Sevarac, PhD, Assistant Professor Department of Software
>>>>> Engineering University of Belgrade, Faculty of Organisational
>> Sciences
>>>>> < http://www.fon.rs> Neuroph <http://neuroph.sourceforge.net/>
>> founder
>>>>> | Java Champion
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>>>>> | NetBeans Dream Team <http://wiki.netbeans.org/NetBeansDreamTeam>
>>>>> Homepage: http://www.zoransevarac.com
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>>>> Zoran Sevarac, PhD, Assistant Professor
>>>> Department of Software Engineering
>>>> University of Belgrade, Faculty of Organisational Sciences <
>>>> http://www.fon.rs> Neuroph <http://neuroph.sourceforge.net/> founder |
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>>>> Homepage: http://www.zoransevarac.com
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Re: Newbie On Board!!!

Posted by John McDonnell <mc...@gmail.com>.
Ioannis,

There's nothing stopping you from signing up to the confluence page and
adding it to the page if you think its helpful.

Ultimately, I don't think its a joke, but I do think if I'm looking at
using git etc I would research the minimum of what I need to know when
using forks, etc... So if you think its helpful for you then please do go
ahead and add it to the confluence page.

You don't need any specific permissions to edit the wiki in this project
(actually you may need someone like Geertjan to enable write permissions on
Confluence the first time I believe).  Anyone should be able to help
provide even simple things like updates to the documentation to make them
more accessible.

Regards

John





On 6 December 2017 at 19:47, Ioannis Torounoglou <jo...@ionio.gr> wrote:

> After a few days of inactivity I realized that with volunteer development
> it is very easy to be outdated!
>
> When I visited my fork in github I got a message
>
> "This branch is 62 commits behind apache:master."
>
> After a small research to update my fork:
>
> ~$ cd NetBeansProjects/
> ~/NetBeansProjects$ cd incubator-netbeans/
> ~/NetBeansProjects/incubator-netbeans$ git remote add upstream
> https://github.com/apache/incubator-netbeans.git
> ~/NetBeansProjects/incubator-netbeans$ git fetch upstream
> ~/NetBeansProjects/incubator-netbeans$ git pull upstream master
> ~/NetBeansProjects/incubator-netbeans$ git push
>
> My fork is up to date again!!!
>
> May be for some of you is a joke but can/will help many newbies!!!
>
> Feel free to modify it as you like and add it to Newbies Section!!!
>
> Also I think the Issue tracker idea is fantastic and you should spend some
> time thinking about it!!
>
>
> Cheers!!
>
> J!
>
> On Tue, Dec 5, 2017 at 9:40 PM, Ioannis Torounoglou <jo...@ionio.gr>
> wrote:
>
> > Wooooow!!!
> >
> >
> > I was thinking of making something like that but yours is even greater!!!
> >
> > J!
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Zoran Sevarac [mailto:sevarac@gmail.com]
> > Sent: Tuesday, December 5, 2017 9:02 PM
> > To: dev@netbeans.incubator.apache.org
> > Subject: Re: Newbie On Board!!!
> >
> > John thank you for the changes I think it looks very good now. I've added
> > few more sentences.
> >
> > Ioannis please take a look at
> > https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/NETBEANS/
> > Development+Environment
> >
> > and let us know if there is anything else that would help you (and
> others)
> > to make the first steps in contributing.
> >
> > I think that we want to make people install and use NetBeans, so focus
> > should be on that. Not sure if there are any contributors who use other
> > IDEs and who want contribute to NetBeans development. This is maybe a bit
> > difefrent compared to other apache projects which tend to be IDE neutral
> >
> > Also it would be nice for issue tracker
> > https://issues.apache.org/jira/projects/NETBEANS to have some kind of
> > tags for difficulty level so newbies could filter out and quickly start
> > with simpler tasks.
> >
> > Cheers
> > Zoran
> >
> >
> > On Sat, Dec 2, 2017 at 4:12 PM, Ioannis Torounoglou <jo...@ionio.gr>
> > wrote:
> >
> > > Thank you Zoran I think we can add some more details on the list!
> > >
> > > I really think is should exist in first place.
> > >
> > > Right now I'm busy with other stuff but I promise to come back in the
> > > next days.
> > >
> > >
> > > Cheers!!!
> > >
> > > J!
> > >
> > > -----Original Message-----
> > > From: Zoran Sevarac [mailto:sevarac@gmail.com]
> > > Sent: Saturday, December 2, 2017 10:56 AM
> > > To: dev@netbeans.incubator.apache.org
> > > Subject: Re: Newbie On Board!!!
> > >
> > > Thank you Ioannis, its usefull for us to get the perspective of the
> > > new contributors.
> > > I've added your steps to
> > > https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/NETBEANS/
> > > Development+Environment
> > > as the to the Quick Steps for Newbies section.
> > > I think that page is very important for attracting new developers and
> > > growing the community. I know that my students will be very happy to
> > > have this brief info in one place.
> > >
> > > Also I would rename that page to 'Getting started' or 'Quick start' as
> > > thats almost standard for most of the open source projects, and thats
> > > what peopke are looking for.
> > > Regarding the required software I would just put NetBeans IDE which
> > > already comes with Ant, Git and even with JDK.
> > > Since this page is targeted for absolute beginner this will help them
> > > to get started faster, and more advanced users would know what to do.
> > > Also I think that its ok to build NetBEans from the NetBeans, and not
> > > from the command line, since thats what Ioannis did, and that
> > > perfectly makes sense to me.
> > > Please let me know what you think about suggested changes?
> > >
> > > Thanks
> > > Zoran
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > On Thu, Nov 30, 2017 at 12:03 AM, Ioannis Torounoglou
> > > <jo...@ionio.gr>
> > > wrote:
> > >
> > > > Thank you John!
> > > >
> > > > This is what I had in mind!
> > > >
> > > > Maybe you can add some links
> > > > Java SE Development Kit 8
> > > > (http://www.oracle.com/technetwork/java/javase/
> > > > downloads/jdk8-downloads-2133151.html ) Git
> > > > (https://git-scm.com/downloads ) for Linux
> > > > https://git-scm.com/download/linux information for different
> > > > distributions.
> > > >
> > > > Ant I think is included in Netbeans 8.2 (I don't know about 9)
> > > >
> > > > We should improve the "How to get started locally"
> > > > I will tell you what I did so maybe you can correct it and upload it
> > > >
> > > > 1. Create an account on github (https://github.com/) 2. While logged
> > > > in visit https://github.com/apache/incubator-netbeans
> > > > 3. Fork the project to your account.
> > > > 4. Your git repository is https://github.com/USERNAME/
> > > > incubator-netbeans.git 5. Inside Netbeans (8.2 I don't know about 9)
> > > > choose Team>Git>Clone...
> > > > 6. Fill in the form with your repository/username/password and the
> > > > local path to save 7. Click Next , Select master then Next and
> > > > finally finish.
> > > > 8. Download is starting and you get your local copy.
> > > >
> > > > ---------
> > > > I'm up to here right now I tried
> > > > $ant
> > > > But I have some errors that I have to check I will post the next
> > > > steps as I manage to move on!
> > > >
> > > > Keep on!!!
> > > >
> > > > J!
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > -----Original Message-----
> > > > From: John McDonnell [mailto:mcdonnell.john@gmail.com]
> > > > Sent: Thursday, November 30, 2017 12:18 AM
> > > > To: dev@netbeans.incubator.apache.org
> > > > Subject: Re: Newbie On Board!!!
> > > >
> > > > Ioannis,
> > > >
> > > > I've added a Developer Environment page to Confluence:
> > > >
> > > > https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/NETBEANS/Developer+Envir
> > > > on
> > > > ment
> > > >
> > > > If you think there's something missing feel free to add to it, or
> > > > indeed let me know and I can add to the page.
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > Regards
> > > >
> > > > John
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > On 29 November 2017 at 21:41, Geertjan Wielenga <
> > > > geertjan.wielenga@googlemail.com> wrote:
> > > >
> > > > > Yes, you can use NetBeans 8.2 to edit the code in your fork.
> > > > >
> > > > > In the netbeans.conf file, in NetBeans 8.2 installation directory,
> > > > > you can point to the JDK you want to use. In your fork, that is
> > > > > found in nbbuild/netbeans/etc.
> > > > >
> > > > > Gj
> > > > >
> > > > > On Wed, Nov 29, 2017 at 10:38 PM, Ioannis Torounoglou
> > > > > <jo...@ionio.gr>
> > > > > wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > > I have already read all these!
> > > > > >
> > > > > > But you gave me a clue!!!
> > > > > >
> > > > > > I can work with my Netbeans 8.2 editing code from my git fork?
> > > > > >
> > > > > > When I run-test NB9 how do I set it to use JDK9 since I have
> > > > > > them
> > > > both???
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Thank you!!!
> > > > > > J!
> > > > > >
> > > > > > -----Original Message-----
> > > > > > From: Geertjan Wielenga
> > > > > > [mailto:geertjan.wielenga@googlemail.com]
> > > > > > Sent: Wednesday, November 29, 2017 11:26 PM
> > > > > > To: dev@netbeans.incubator.apache.org
> > > > > > Subject: Re: Newbie On Board!!!
> > > > > >
> > > > > > We do document all of these things here:
> > > > > >
> > > > > > https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/NETBEANS
> > > > > >
> > > > > > For example, you'll find this link:
> > > > > >
> > > > > > https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/NETBEANS/
> > > > > > Installation+of+Apache+NetBeans
> > > > > >
> > > > > > The README at Apache Git also tells you to use JDK 8 (and
> > > > > > release of JDK
> > > > > > 8) to build NetBeans and that you can either run the built
> > > > > > NetBeans on
> > > > > top
> > > > > > of JDK 8 or JDK 9.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > You run 'ant' in the clone that you get from Git, as explained
> > > > > > in the Apache NetBeans Git README.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > You can also get a ZIP from Jenkins, if you don't want to build
> > > > > > at
> > > all:
> > > > > > builds.apache.org/job/incubator-netbeans-linux
> > > > > >
> > > > > > All of the above is described at
> > > > > > cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/NETBEANS.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > You can developed NetBeans in NetBeans 8.2 or the Apache
> > > > > > NetBeans
> > > > > > 9
> > > > > build,
> > > > > > that's up to you.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Gj
> > > > > >
> > > > > > On Wed, Nov 29, 2017 at 10:21 PM, Ioannis Torounoglou
> > > > > > <jo...@ionio.gr>
> > > > > > wrote:
> > > > > >
> > > > > > > Ok!!!
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Let's start over! Sorry for being rude!
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > I have a new Debian VM, I installed Git, I have Ant, I
> > > > > > > installed JDK 8 and JDK 9 from oracle.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > What to do next?
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Do you develop NB9 inside the built version or using NB 8.2?
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > How do you choose which JDK to be used?
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > J!
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > -----Original Message-----
> > > > > > > From: Geertjan Wielenga
> > > > > > > [mailto:geertjan.wielenga@googlemail.com]
> > > > > > > Sent: Wednesday, November 29, 2017 11:13 PM
> > > > > > > To: dev@netbeans.incubator.apache.org
> > > > > > > Subject: Re: Newbie On Board!!!
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > No, nobody is not calling you smart.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > I'm trying to help you, trying to answer your questions.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Thanks,
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Geertjan
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > On Wed, Nov 29, 2017 at 10:11 PM, Ioannis Torounoglou
> > > > > > > <jo...@ionio.gr>
> > > > > > > wrote:
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > Ok maybe I'm not as smart as you!
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > So I will leave!
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > J!
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > PS: I see a lot of people leaving btw! Think about it!
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > -----Original Message-----
> > > > > > > > From: Geertjan Wielenga
> > > > > > > > [mailto:geertjan.wielenga@googlemail.com]
> > > > > > > > Sent: Wednesday, November 29, 2017 11:04 PM
> > > > > > > > To: dev@netbeans.incubator.apache.org
> > > > > > > > Subject: Re: Newbie On Board!!!
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > That's precisely what you were told in the first e-mail --
> > > > > > > > go here and read the README, it tells you exactly that:
> > > > > > > > https://github.com/apache/incubator-netbeans
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > You can probably also use a lot less exclamation marks.
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > Gj
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > On Wed, Nov 29, 2017 at 10:02 PM, Ioannis Torounoglou
> > > > > > > > <jo...@ionio.gr>
> > > > > > > > wrote:
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > I'm sorry to speak like that, because I'm not used to!!!
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > But 4 people replied told me the same thing!!
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > To be in this mailing list means that I have read this
> > page!!!!
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > What I need is very simple a list!!!
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > 1.  you need Ant
> > > > > > > > > 2 install JDK8
> > > > > > > > > 3 install JDK9
> > > > > > > > > 4 Download this
> > > > > > > > > 5 install that!!!
> > > > > > > > > 6 YOU ARE READY TO HELP US!!!!
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > Why this is so hard for all of you to be done!!!
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > J!
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > -----Original Message-----
> > > > > > > > > From: Geertjan Wielenga
> > > > > > > > > [mailto:geertjan.wielenga@googlemail.com]
> > > > > > > > > Sent: Wednesday, November 29, 2017 10:58 PM
> > > > > > > > > To: dev@netbeans.incubator.apache.org
> > > > > > > > > Subject: Re: Newbie On Board!!!
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > Hello Ioannis,
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > We don't call each other idiots here.
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > NetBeans is incubating at Apache. Apache is a software
> > > > foundation:
> > > > > > > > > apache.org
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > What you contribute to an Apache project depends on your
> > needs.
> > > > > > > > > What would you like NetBeans to be able to do that it
> > > > > > > > > currently does not do? What features would you like to work
> > on?
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > We are currently working on the Beta release of Apache
> > > > > > > > > NetBeans
> > > > > > > > > (incubating) 9.0 and you're welcome to work on that too:
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/NETBEANS/
> > > > > > > > > Apache+NetBeans+9.0+Beta
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > Thanks,
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > Geertjan
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > On Wed, Nov 29, 2017 at 9:55 PM, Ioannis Torounoglou
> > > > > > > > > <jo...@ionio.gr>
> > > > > > > > > wrote:
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > Why you are so idiots???
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > Everybody here has read https://cwiki.apache.org/
> > > > > > > > > > confluence/display/NETBEANS/How+to+Participate
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > Why you keep posting that!!!
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > ?
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > -----Original Message-----
> > > > > > > > > > From: Geertjan Wielenga
> > > > > > > > > > [mailto:geertjan.wielenga@googlemail.com]
> > > > > > > > > > Sent: Wednesday, November 29, 2017 10:53 PM
> > > > > > > > > > To: dev@netbeans.incubator.apache.org
> > > > > > > > > > Subject: Re: Newbie On Board!!!
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > We need a lot. We need whatever bugs you want to fix or
> > > > > > > > > > features you want to implement. What would you like to
> > > > > > > > > > work
> > > on?
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > How to get involved:
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/NETBEANS/How
> > > > > > > > > > +t
> > > > > > > > > > o+
> > > > > > > > > > Part
> > > > > > > > > > ic
> > > > > > > > > > ip
> > > > > > > > > > at
> > > > > > > > > > e
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > Also, keep following the mailing list, there's tasks and
> > > > > > > > > > discussions all the time, right now we're working on the
> > > > > > > > > > Beta
> > > > > > > release together:
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/NETBEANS/
> > > > > > > > > > Apache+NetBeans+9.0+Beta
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > Gj
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > On Wed, Nov 29, 2017 at 9:51 PM, Ioannis Torounoglou
> > > > > > > > > > <jo...@ionio.gr>
> > > > > > > > > > wrote:
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > So I guess you don't need anything!!!
> > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > I'm out of here!!!
> > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > J!
> > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > -----Original Message-----
> > > > > > > > > > > From: Geertjan Wielenga
> > > > > > > > > > > [mailto:geertjan.wielenga@googlemail.com]
> > > > > > > > > > > Sent: Wednesday, November 29, 2017 3:50 PM
> > > > > > > > > > > To: dev@netbeans.incubator.apache.org
> > > > > > > > > > > Subject: Re: Newbie On Board!!!
> > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > What would you like there to be on the Wiki page that
> > > > > > > > > > > isn't already
> > > > > > > > > > there:
> > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/NETBEANS
> > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > Gj
> > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > On Wed, Nov 29, 2017 at 2:43 PM, Ioannis Torounoglou
> > > > > > > > > > > <jo...@ionio.gr>
> > > > > > > > > > > wrote:
> > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > Hi Zoran,
> > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > This a very good idea!!!
> > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > I have already found a few things but I'm far away!!!
> > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > How can I start this wiki page?
> > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > >  J!
> > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > -----Original Message-----
> > > > > > > > > > > > From: Zoran Sevarac [mailto:sevarac@gmail.com]
> > > > > > > > > > > > Sent: Wednesday, November 29, 2017 10:59 AM
> > > > > > > > > > > > To: dev@netbeans.incubator.apache.org
> > > > > > > > > > > > Subject: Re: Newbie On Board!!!
> > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > Hi Ioannis,
> > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > The great way to contribute would be that you put
> > > > > > > > > > > > together a wiki page for 'Getting Started for
> > > > > > > > > > > > Contributors' which should include all your
> > > > > > > > > > > > questions as a new contributor, with all the answers
> > > > > > > > > > > > you learn along the
> > > > > > > > > > > way.
> > > > > > > > > > > > You can start by creating that page
> > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > Cheers
> > > > > > > > > > > > Zoran
> > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > On Tue, Nov 28, 2017 at 4:18 PM, Geertjan Wielenga <
> > > > > > > > > > > > geertjan.wielenga@googlemail.com> wrote:
> > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > How to build etc is all in the README, like for
> > > > > > > > > > > > > all other Apache
> > > > > > > > > > > > projects:
> > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > github.com/apache/incubator-netbeans
> > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > How to get involved:
> > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/NETBEA
> > > > > > > > > > > > > NS
> > > > > > > > > > > > > /H
> > > > > > > > > > > > > ow+t
> > > > > > > > > > > > > o+
> > > > > > > > > > > > > Pa
> > > > > > > > > > > > > rt
> > > > > > > > > > > > > ic
> > > > > > > > > > > > > ip
> > > > > > > > > > > > > at
> > > > > > > > > > > > > e
> > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > Also, keep following the mailing list, there's
> > > > > > > > > > > > > tasks and discussions all the time, right now
> > > > > > > > > > > > > we're working on the Beta
> > > > > > > > > > release together:
> > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/NETBEA
> > > > > > > > > > > > > NS
> > > > > > > > > > > > > /
> > > > > > > > > > > > > Apache+NetBeans+9.0+Beta
> > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > Which operating system? Any operating system --
> > > > > > > > > > > > > Java is write once, run anywhere.
> > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > Gj
> > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > On Tue, Nov 28, 2017 at 4:14 PM, Ioannis
> > > > > > > > > > > > > Torounoglou <jo...@ionio.gr>
> > > > > > > > > > > > > wrote:
> > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > Hello again!!!
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > Sorry to bother you all and thanks Antonio for
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > the
> > > > reply!
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > I UNDERSTAND that you are all pretty busy
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > because this is a huge
> > > > > > > > > > > > project.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > But if YOU want a community project you mast
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > spend some time to help community help you!!!
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > Some people should stop production and give
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > information to new people who want to get
> involved.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > And because these info is not to be sent to
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > e-mail a WIKI page must be inserted!!!
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > Which Operating system should I have!
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > Which tools CSV, Netbeans, Notepad (which
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > versions
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > etc.) Info how to build (If I have to build )
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > PLEASE HELP us to HELP you!
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > J!
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > -----Original Message-----
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > From: Antonio [mailto:antonio@vieiro.net]
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > Sent: Sunday, November 26, 2017 8:32 AM
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > To: dev@netbeans.incubator.apache.org
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > Subject: Re: Newbie On Board!!!
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > Welcome, Ioannis,
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > You may want to take a look at our wiki at
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > Wiki
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > https://cwiki.apache.org/
> confluence/pages/viewpage
> > .
> > > > > > > > > > > > > action?pageId=65873923
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > Cheers,
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > Antonio
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > El 26/11/17 a las 00:02, Ioannis Torounoglou
> > > escribió:
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Hello everybody!!!
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I'm new here willing to help!
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I don't know where to start and what to do!
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Any help will be great!
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > J!
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > --
> > > > > > > > > > > > Zoran Sevarac, PhD, Assistant Professor Department
> > > > > > > > > > > > of Software Engineering University of Belgrade,
> > > > > > > > > > > > Faculty of Organisational Sciences <
> > > > > > > > > > > > http://www.fon.rs> Neuroph
> > > > > > > > > > > > <http://neuroph.sourceforge.net/> founder
> > > > > > > > > > > > | Java Champion
> > > > > > > > > > > > <https://community.oracle.com/community/java/java-ch
> > > > > > > > > > > > am
> > > > > > > > > > > > pi
> > > > > > > > > > > > ons>
> > > > > > > > > > > > | NetBeans Dream Team
> > > > > > > > > > > > | <http://wiki.netbeans.org/NetBeansDreamTeam>
> > > > > > > > > > > > Homepage: http://www.zoransevarac.com
> > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > >
> > >
> > > --
> > > Zoran Sevarac, PhD, Assistant Professor Department of Software
> > > Engineering University of Belgrade, Faculty of Organisational Sciences
> > > < http://www.fon.rs> Neuroph <http://neuroph.sourceforge.net/> founder
> > > | Java Champion
> > > <https://community.oracle.com/community/java/java-champions>
> > > | NetBeans Dream Team <http://wiki.netbeans.org/NetBeansDreamTeam>
> > > Homepage: http://www.zoransevarac.com
> > >
> > >
> >
> >
> > --
> > Zoran Sevarac, PhD, Assistant Professor
> > Department of Software Engineering
> > University of Belgrade, Faculty of Organisational Sciences <
> > http://www.fon.rs> Neuroph <http://neuroph.sourceforge.net/> founder |
> > Java Champion <https://community.oracle.com/
> community/java/java-champions>
> > | NetBeans Dream Team <http://wiki.netbeans.org/NetBeansDreamTeam>
> > Homepage: http://www.zoransevarac.com
> >
> >
>

Re: Newbie On Board!!!

Posted by Zoran Sevarac <se...@gmail.com>.
Can we rename the page
https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/NETBEANS/Development+Environment
to something like 'Quick start' and make it clear that it includes only
first steps, and then everything else can go somewhere else?

On Wed, Dec 6, 2017 at 11:25 PM, Lars Bruun-Hansen <lb...@gmail.com>
wrote:

> Hi Ioannis,
>
> There's also this page
> https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/pages/viewpage.action?pageId=74681408
> which predates the "Development Environment" page. (we should make sure
> there's no overlap)
>
> As you can see, on the former page the plan was to document the most common
> tasks a PR author will typically encounter.
> For example:
>
> - How to keep your fork sync'ed with its origin (what you just went
> through)
> - How to "fix" a stale PR
> - How to squash (if required)
> - etc
>
> .. but never really got around to it as such recipes have NOTHING TO DO
> WITH NETBEANS. They are generic git and GitHub stuff.
> This is not to say it won't have value to document it. But it is by no
> means specific to NetBeans, so it feels a little strange to write
> instructions for it. If anyone finds the time, please go ahead.
>
> In the perfect world there would exist such elaborate instructions for
> NetBeans PR authors. And in the perfect world they would explain how to
> accomplish each task both by doing it from the git command line and how to
> do it from within NetBeans IDE. I've found myself using command line (Git
> Bash) much more often than when I used Mercurial. With Mercurial I did
> pretty much everything from within the IDE. This may be because I'm not yet
> fully familiar with the git features in the NB IDE.
>
>
> Btw: Big fan of the animations on the "Development Environment" page.
> Thumbs up.
>
>
>
>
> On Wed, Dec 6, 2017 at 8:47 PM, Ioannis Torounoglou <jo...@ionio.gr>
> wrote:
>
> > After a few days of inactivity I realized that with volunteer development
> > it is very easy to be outdated!
> >
> > When I visited my fork in github I got a message
> >
> > "This branch is 62 commits behind apache:master."
> >
> > After a small research to update my fork:
> >
> > ~$ cd NetBeansProjects/
> > ~/NetBeansProjects$ cd incubator-netbeans/
> > ~/NetBeansProjects/incubator-netbeans$ git remote add upstream
> > https://github.com/apache/incubator-netbeans.git
> > ~/NetBeansProjects/incubator-netbeans$ git fetch upstream
> > ~/NetBeansProjects/incubator-netbeans$ git pull upstream master
> > ~/NetBeansProjects/incubator-netbeans$ git push
> >
> > My fork is up to date again!!!
> >
> > May be for some of you is a joke but can/will help many newbies!!!
> >
> > Feel free to modify it as you like and add it to Newbies Section!!!
> >
> > Also I think the Issue tracker idea is fantastic and you should spend
> some
> > time thinking about it!!
> >
> >
> > Cheers!!
> >
> > J!
> >
> > On Tue, Dec 5, 2017 at 9:40 PM, Ioannis Torounoglou <jo...@ionio.gr>
> > wrote:
> >
> > > Wooooow!!!
> > >
> > >
> > > I was thinking of making something like that but yours is even
> greater!!!
> > >
> > > J!
> > >
> > > -----Original Message-----
> > > From: Zoran Sevarac [mailto:sevarac@gmail.com]
> > > Sent: Tuesday, December 5, 2017 9:02 PM
> > > To: dev@netbeans.incubator.apache.org
> > > Subject: Re: Newbie On Board!!!
> > >
> > > John thank you for the changes I think it looks very good now. I've
> added
> > > few more sentences.
> > >
> > > Ioannis please take a look at
> > > https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/NETBEANS/
> > > Development+Environment
> > >
> > > and let us know if there is anything else that would help you (and
> > others)
> > > to make the first steps in contributing.
> > >
> > > I think that we want to make people install and use NetBeans, so focus
> > > should be on that. Not sure if there are any contributors who use other
> > > IDEs and who want contribute to NetBeans development. This is maybe a
> bit
> > > difefrent compared to other apache projects which tend to be IDE
> neutral
> > >
> > > Also it would be nice for issue tracker
> > > https://issues.apache.org/jira/projects/NETBEANS to have some kind of
> > > tags for difficulty level so newbies could filter out and quickly start
> > > with simpler tasks.
> > >
> > > Cheers
> > > Zoran
> > >
> > >
> > > On Sat, Dec 2, 2017 at 4:12 PM, Ioannis Torounoglou <jo...@ionio.gr>
> > > wrote:
> > >
> > > > Thank you Zoran I think we can add some more details on the list!
> > > >
> > > > I really think is should exist in first place.
> > > >
> > > > Right now I'm busy with other stuff but I promise to come back in the
> > > > next days.
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > Cheers!!!
> > > >
> > > > J!
> > > >
> > > > -----Original Message-----
> > > > From: Zoran Sevarac [mailto:sevarac@gmail.com]
> > > > Sent: Saturday, December 2, 2017 10:56 AM
> > > > To: dev@netbeans.incubator.apache.org
> > > > Subject: Re: Newbie On Board!!!
> > > >
> > > > Thank you Ioannis, its usefull for us to get the perspective of the
> > > > new contributors.
> > > > I've added your steps to
> > > > https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/NETBEANS/
> > > > Development+Environment
> > > > as the to the Quick Steps for Newbies section.
> > > > I think that page is very important for attracting new developers and
> > > > growing the community. I know that my students will be very happy to
> > > > have this brief info in one place.
> > > >
> > > > Also I would rename that page to 'Getting started' or 'Quick start'
> as
> > > > thats almost standard for most of the open source projects, and thats
> > > > what peopke are looking for.
> > > > Regarding the required software I would just put NetBeans IDE which
> > > > already comes with Ant, Git and even with JDK.
> > > > Since this page is targeted for absolute beginner this will help them
> > > > to get started faster, and more advanced users would know what to do.
> > > > Also I think that its ok to build NetBEans from the NetBeans, and not
> > > > from the command line, since thats what Ioannis did, and that
> > > > perfectly makes sense to me.
> > > > Please let me know what you think about suggested changes?
> > > >
> > > > Thanks
> > > > Zoran
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > On Thu, Nov 30, 2017 at 12:03 AM, Ioannis Torounoglou
> > > > <jo...@ionio.gr>
> > > > wrote:
> > > >
> > > > > Thank you John!
> > > > >
> > > > > This is what I had in mind!
> > > > >
> > > > > Maybe you can add some links
> > > > > Java SE Development Kit 8
> > > > > (http://www.oracle.com/technetwork/java/javase/
> > > > > downloads/jdk8-downloads-2133151.html ) Git
> > > > > (https://git-scm.com/downloads ) for Linux
> > > > > https://git-scm.com/download/linux information for different
> > > > > distributions.
> > > > >
> > > > > Ant I think is included in Netbeans 8.2 (I don't know about 9)
> > > > >
> > > > > We should improve the "How to get started locally"
> > > > > I will tell you what I did so maybe you can correct it and upload
> it
> > > > >
> > > > > 1. Create an account on github (https://github.com/) 2. While
> logged
> > > > > in visit https://github.com/apache/incubator-netbeans
> > > > > 3. Fork the project to your account.
> > > > > 4. Your git repository is https://github.com/USERNAME/
> > > > > incubator-netbeans.git 5. Inside Netbeans (8.2 I don't know about
> 9)
> > > > > choose Team>Git>Clone...
> > > > > 6. Fill in the form with your repository/username/password and the
> > > > > local path to save 7. Click Next , Select master then Next and
> > > > > finally finish.
> > > > > 8. Download is starting and you get your local copy.
> > > > >
> > > > > ---------
> > > > > I'm up to here right now I tried
> > > > > $ant
> > > > > But I have some errors that I have to check I will post the next
> > > > > steps as I manage to move on!
> > > > >
> > > > > Keep on!!!
> > > > >
> > > > > J!
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > -----Original Message-----
> > > > > From: John McDonnell [mailto:mcdonnell.john@gmail.com]
> > > > > Sent: Thursday, November 30, 2017 12:18 AM
> > > > > To: dev@netbeans.incubator.apache.org
> > > > > Subject: Re: Newbie On Board!!!
> > > > >
> > > > > Ioannis,
> > > > >
> > > > > I've added a Developer Environment page to Confluence:
> > > > >
> > > > > https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/NETBEANS/
> Developer+Envir
> > > > > on
> > > > > ment
> > > > >
> > > > > If you think there's something missing feel free to add to it, or
> > > > > indeed let me know and I can add to the page.
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > Regards
> > > > >
> > > > > John
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > On 29 November 2017 at 21:41, Geertjan Wielenga <
> > > > > geertjan.wielenga@googlemail.com> wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > > Yes, you can use NetBeans 8.2 to edit the code in your fork.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > In the netbeans.conf file, in NetBeans 8.2 installation
> directory,
> > > > > > you can point to the JDK you want to use. In your fork, that is
> > > > > > found in nbbuild/netbeans/etc.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Gj
> > > > > >
> > > > > > On Wed, Nov 29, 2017 at 10:38 PM, Ioannis Torounoglou
> > > > > > <jo...@ionio.gr>
> > > > > > wrote:
> > > > > >
> > > > > > > I have already read all these!
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > But you gave me a clue!!!
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > I can work with my Netbeans 8.2 editing code from my git fork?
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > When I run-test NB9 how do I set it to use JDK9 since I have
> > > > > > > them
> > > > > both???
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Thank you!!!
> > > > > > > J!
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > -----Original Message-----
> > > > > > > From: Geertjan Wielenga
> > > > > > > [mailto:geertjan.wielenga@googlemail.com]
> > > > > > > Sent: Wednesday, November 29, 2017 11:26 PM
> > > > > > > To: dev@netbeans.incubator.apache.org
> > > > > > > Subject: Re: Newbie On Board!!!
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > We do document all of these things here:
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/NETBEANS
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > For example, you'll find this link:
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/NETBEANS/
> > > > > > > Installation+of+Apache+NetBeans
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > The README at Apache Git also tells you to use JDK 8 (and
> > > > > > > release of JDK
> > > > > > > 8) to build NetBeans and that you can either run the built
> > > > > > > NetBeans on
> > > > > > top
> > > > > > > of JDK 8 or JDK 9.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > You run 'ant' in the clone that you get from Git, as explained
> > > > > > > in the Apache NetBeans Git README.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > You can also get a ZIP from Jenkins, if you don't want to build
> > > > > > > at
> > > > all:
> > > > > > > builds.apache.org/job/incubator-netbeans-linux
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > All of the above is described at
> > > > > > > cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/NETBEANS.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > You can developed NetBeans in NetBeans 8.2 or the Apache
> > > > > > > NetBeans
> > > > > > > 9
> > > > > > build,
> > > > > > > that's up to you.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Gj
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > On Wed, Nov 29, 2017 at 10:21 PM, Ioannis Torounoglou
> > > > > > > <jo...@ionio.gr>
> > > > > > > wrote:
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > Ok!!!
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > Let's start over! Sorry for being rude!
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > I have a new Debian VM, I installed Git, I have Ant, I
> > > > > > > > installed JDK 8 and JDK 9 from oracle.
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > What to do next?
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > Do you develop NB9 inside the built version or using NB 8.2?
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > How do you choose which JDK to be used?
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > J!
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > -----Original Message-----
> > > > > > > > From: Geertjan Wielenga
> > > > > > > > [mailto:geertjan.wielenga@googlemail.com]
> > > > > > > > Sent: Wednesday, November 29, 2017 11:13 PM
> > > > > > > > To: dev@netbeans.incubator.apache.org
> > > > > > > > Subject: Re: Newbie On Board!!!
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > No, nobody is not calling you smart.
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > I'm trying to help you, trying to answer your questions.
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > Thanks,
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > Geertjan
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > On Wed, Nov 29, 2017 at 10:11 PM, Ioannis Torounoglou
> > > > > > > > <jo...@ionio.gr>
> > > > > > > > wrote:
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > Ok maybe I'm not as smart as you!
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > So I will leave!
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > J!
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > PS: I see a lot of people leaving btw! Think about it!
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > -----Original Message-----
> > > > > > > > > From: Geertjan Wielenga
> > > > > > > > > [mailto:geertjan.wielenga@googlemail.com]
> > > > > > > > > Sent: Wednesday, November 29, 2017 11:04 PM
> > > > > > > > > To: dev@netbeans.incubator.apache.org
> > > > > > > > > Subject: Re: Newbie On Board!!!
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > That's precisely what you were told in the first e-mail --
> > > > > > > > > go here and read the README, it tells you exactly that:
> > > > > > > > > https://github.com/apache/incubator-netbeans
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > You can probably also use a lot less exclamation marks.
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > Gj
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > On Wed, Nov 29, 2017 at 10:02 PM, Ioannis Torounoglou
> > > > > > > > > <jo...@ionio.gr>
> > > > > > > > > wrote:
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > I'm sorry to speak like that, because I'm not used to!!!
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > But 4 people replied told me the same thing!!
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > To be in this mailing list means that I have read this
> > > page!!!!
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > What I need is very simple a list!!!
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > 1.  you need Ant
> > > > > > > > > > 2 install JDK8
> > > > > > > > > > 3 install JDK9
> > > > > > > > > > 4 Download this
> > > > > > > > > > 5 install that!!!
> > > > > > > > > > 6 YOU ARE READY TO HELP US!!!!
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > Why this is so hard for all of you to be done!!!
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > J!
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > -----Original Message-----
> > > > > > > > > > From: Geertjan Wielenga
> > > > > > > > > > [mailto:geertjan.wielenga@googlemail.com]
> > > > > > > > > > Sent: Wednesday, November 29, 2017 10:58 PM
> > > > > > > > > > To: dev@netbeans.incubator.apache.org
> > > > > > > > > > Subject: Re: Newbie On Board!!!
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > Hello Ioannis,
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > We don't call each other idiots here.
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > NetBeans is incubating at Apache. Apache is a software
> > > > > foundation:
> > > > > > > > > > apache.org
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > What you contribute to an Apache project depends on your
> > > needs.
> > > > > > > > > > What would you like NetBeans to be able to do that it
> > > > > > > > > > currently does not do? What features would you like to
> work
> > > on?
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > We are currently working on the Beta release of Apache
> > > > > > > > > > NetBeans
> > > > > > > > > > (incubating) 9.0 and you're welcome to work on that too:
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/NETBEANS/
> > > > > > > > > > Apache+NetBeans+9.0+Beta
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > Thanks,
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > Geertjan
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > On Wed, Nov 29, 2017 at 9:55 PM, Ioannis Torounoglou
> > > > > > > > > > <jo...@ionio.gr>
> > > > > > > > > > wrote:
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > Why you are so idiots???
> > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > Everybody here has read https://cwiki.apache.org/
> > > > > > > > > > > confluence/display/NETBEANS/How+to+Participate
> > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > Why you keep posting that!!!
> > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > ?
> > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > -----Original Message-----
> > > > > > > > > > > From: Geertjan Wielenga
> > > > > > > > > > > [mailto:geertjan.wielenga@googlemail.com]
> > > > > > > > > > > Sent: Wednesday, November 29, 2017 10:53 PM
> > > > > > > > > > > To: dev@netbeans.incubator.apache.org
> > > > > > > > > > > Subject: Re: Newbie On Board!!!
> > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > We need a lot. We need whatever bugs you want to fix or
> > > > > > > > > > > features you want to implement. What would you like to
> > > > > > > > > > > work
> > > > on?
> > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > How to get involved:
> > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/NETBEANS/
> How
> > > > > > > > > > > +t
> > > > > > > > > > > o+
> > > > > > > > > > > Part
> > > > > > > > > > > ic
> > > > > > > > > > > ip
> > > > > > > > > > > at
> > > > > > > > > > > e
> > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > Also, keep following the mailing list, there's tasks
> and
> > > > > > > > > > > discussions all the time, right now we're working on
> the
> > > > > > > > > > > Beta
> > > > > > > > release together:
> > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/NETBEANS/
> > > > > > > > > > > Apache+NetBeans+9.0+Beta
> > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > Gj
> > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > On Wed, Nov 29, 2017 at 9:51 PM, Ioannis Torounoglou
> > > > > > > > > > > <jo...@ionio.gr>
> > > > > > > > > > > wrote:
> > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > So I guess you don't need anything!!!
> > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > I'm out of here!!!
> > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > J!
> > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > -----Original Message-----
> > > > > > > > > > > > From: Geertjan Wielenga
> > > > > > > > > > > > [mailto:geertjan.wielenga@googlemail.com]
> > > > > > > > > > > > Sent: Wednesday, November 29, 2017 3:50 PM
> > > > > > > > > > > > To: dev@netbeans.incubator.apache.org
> > > > > > > > > > > > Subject: Re: Newbie On Board!!!
> > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > What would you like there to be on the Wiki page that
> > > > > > > > > > > > isn't already
> > > > > > > > > > > there:
> > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/NETBEANS
> > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > Gj
> > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > On Wed, Nov 29, 2017 at 2:43 PM, Ioannis Torounoglou
> > > > > > > > > > > > <jo...@ionio.gr>
> > > > > > > > > > > > wrote:
> > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > Hi Zoran,
> > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > This a very good idea!!!
> > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > I have already found a few things but I'm far
> away!!!
> > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > How can I start this wiki page?
> > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > >  J!
> > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > -----Original Message-----
> > > > > > > > > > > > > From: Zoran Sevarac [mailto:sevarac@gmail.com]
> > > > > > > > > > > > > Sent: Wednesday, November 29, 2017 10:59 AM
> > > > > > > > > > > > > To: dev@netbeans.incubator.apache.org
> > > > > > > > > > > > > Subject: Re: Newbie On Board!!!
> > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > Hi Ioannis,
> > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > The great way to contribute would be that you put
> > > > > > > > > > > > > together a wiki page for 'Getting Started for
> > > > > > > > > > > > > Contributors' which should include all your
> > > > > > > > > > > > > questions as a new contributor, with all the
> answers
> > > > > > > > > > > > > you learn along the
> > > > > > > > > > > > way.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > You can start by creating that page
> > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > Cheers
> > > > > > > > > > > > > Zoran
> > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > On Tue, Nov 28, 2017 at 4:18 PM, Geertjan Wielenga
> <
> > > > > > > > > > > > > geertjan.wielenga@googlemail.com> wrote:
> > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > How to build etc is all in the README, like for
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > all other Apache
> > > > > > > > > > > > > projects:
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > github.com/apache/incubator-netbeans
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > How to get involved:
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > https://cwiki.apache.org/
> confluence/display/NETBEA
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > NS
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > /H
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > ow+t
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > o+
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > Pa
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > rt
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > ic
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > ip
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > at
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > e
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > Also, keep following the mailing list, there's
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > tasks and discussions all the time, right now
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > we're working on the Beta
> > > > > > > > > > > release together:
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > https://cwiki.apache.org/
> confluence/display/NETBEA
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > NS
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > /
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > Apache+NetBeans+9.0+Beta
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > Which operating system? Any operating system --
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > Java is write once, run anywhere.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > Gj
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > On Tue, Nov 28, 2017 at 4:14 PM, Ioannis
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > Torounoglou <jo...@ionio.gr>
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > wrote:
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Hello again!!!
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Sorry to bother you all and thanks Antonio for
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > the
> > > > > reply!
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I UNDERSTAND that you are all pretty busy
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > because this is a huge
> > > > > > > > > > > > > project.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > But if YOU want a community project you mast
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > spend some time to help community help you!!!
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Some people should stop production and give
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > information to new people who want to get
> > involved.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > And because these info is not to be sent to
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > e-mail a WIKI page must be inserted!!!
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Which Operating system should I have!
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Which tools CSV, Netbeans, Notepad (which
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > versions
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > etc.) Info how to build (If I have to build )
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > PLEASE HELP us to HELP you!
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > J!
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -----Original Message-----
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > From: Antonio [mailto:antonio@vieiro.net]
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Sent: Sunday, November 26, 2017 8:32 AM
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > To: dev@netbeans.incubator.apache.org
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Subject: Re: Newbie On Board!!!
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Welcome, Ioannis,
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > You may want to take a look at our wiki at
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Wiki
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > https://cwiki.apache.org/
> > confluence/pages/viewpage
> > > .
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > action?pageId=65873923
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Cheers,
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Antonio
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > El 26/11/17 a las 00:02, Ioannis Torounoglou
> > > > escribió:
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Hello everybody!!!
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I'm new here willing to help!
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I don't know where to start and what to do!
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Any help will be great!
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > J!
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > --
> > > > > > > > > > > > > Zoran Sevarac, PhD, Assistant Professor Department
> > > > > > > > > > > > > of Software Engineering University of Belgrade,
> > > > > > > > > > > > > Faculty of Organisational Sciences <
> > > > > > > > > > > > > http://www.fon.rs> Neuroph
> > > > > > > > > > > > > <http://neuroph.sourceforge.net/> founder
> > > > > > > > > > > > > | Java Champion
> > > > > > > > > > > > > <https://community.oracle.com/
> community/java/java-ch
> > > > > > > > > > > > > am
> > > > > > > > > > > > > pi
> > > > > > > > > > > > > ons>
> > > > > > > > > > > > > | NetBeans Dream Team
> > > > > > > > > > > > > | <http://wiki.netbeans.org/NetBeansDreamTeam>
> > > > > > > > > > > > > Homepage: http://www.zoransevarac.com
> > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > >
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> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > --
> > > > Zoran Sevarac, PhD, Assistant Professor Department of Software
> > > > Engineering University of Belgrade, Faculty of Organisational
> Sciences
> > > > < http://www.fon.rs> Neuroph <http://neuroph.sourceforge.net/>
> founder
> > > > | Java Champion
> > > > <https://community.oracle.com/community/java/java-champions>
> > > > | NetBeans Dream Team <http://wiki.netbeans.org/NetBeansDreamTeam>
> > > > Homepage: http://www.zoransevarac.com
> > > >
> > > >
> > >
> > >
> > > --
> > > Zoran Sevarac, PhD, Assistant Professor
> > > Department of Software Engineering
> > > University of Belgrade, Faculty of Organisational Sciences <
> > > http://www.fon.rs> Neuroph <http://neuroph.sourceforge.net/> founder |
> > > Java Champion <https://community.oracle.com/
> > community/java/java-champions>
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> > >
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> >
>



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Department of Software Engineering
University of Belgrade, Faculty of Organisational Sciences
<http://www.fon.rs>
Neuroph <http://neuroph.sourceforge.net/> founder | Java Champion
<https://community.oracle.com/community/java/java-champions> | NetBeans
Dream Team <http://wiki.netbeans.org/NetBeansDreamTeam>
Homepage: http://www.zoransevarac.com

Re: Newbie On Board!!!

Posted by Lars Bruun-Hansen <lb...@gmail.com>.
Hi Ioannis,

There's also this page
https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/pages/viewpage.action?pageId=74681408
which predates the "Development Environment" page. (we should make sure
there's no overlap)

As you can see, on the former page the plan was to document the most common
tasks a PR author will typically encounter.
For example:

- How to keep your fork sync'ed with its origin (what you just went through)
- How to "fix" a stale PR
- How to squash (if required)
- etc

.. but never really got around to it as such recipes have NOTHING TO DO
WITH NETBEANS. They are generic git and GitHub stuff.
This is not to say it won't have value to document it. But it is by no
means specific to NetBeans, so it feels a little strange to write
instructions for it. If anyone finds the time, please go ahead.

In the perfect world there would exist such elaborate instructions for
NetBeans PR authors. And in the perfect world they would explain how to
accomplish each task both by doing it from the git command line and how to
do it from within NetBeans IDE. I've found myself using command line (Git
Bash) much more often than when I used Mercurial. With Mercurial I did
pretty much everything from within the IDE. This may be because I'm not yet
fully familiar with the git features in the NB IDE.


Btw: Big fan of the animations on the "Development Environment" page.
Thumbs up.




On Wed, Dec 6, 2017 at 8:47 PM, Ioannis Torounoglou <jo...@ionio.gr>
wrote:

> After a few days of inactivity I realized that with volunteer development
> it is very easy to be outdated!
>
> When I visited my fork in github I got a message
>
> "This branch is 62 commits behind apache:master."
>
> After a small research to update my fork:
>
> ~$ cd NetBeansProjects/
> ~/NetBeansProjects$ cd incubator-netbeans/
> ~/NetBeansProjects/incubator-netbeans$ git remote add upstream
> https://github.com/apache/incubator-netbeans.git
> ~/NetBeansProjects/incubator-netbeans$ git fetch upstream
> ~/NetBeansProjects/incubator-netbeans$ git pull upstream master
> ~/NetBeansProjects/incubator-netbeans$ git push
>
> My fork is up to date again!!!
>
> May be for some of you is a joke but can/will help many newbies!!!
>
> Feel free to modify it as you like and add it to Newbies Section!!!
>
> Also I think the Issue tracker idea is fantastic and you should spend some
> time thinking about it!!
>
>
> Cheers!!
>
> J!
>
> On Tue, Dec 5, 2017 at 9:40 PM, Ioannis Torounoglou <jo...@ionio.gr>
> wrote:
>
> > Wooooow!!!
> >
> >
> > I was thinking of making something like that but yours is even greater!!!
> >
> > J!
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Zoran Sevarac [mailto:sevarac@gmail.com]
> > Sent: Tuesday, December 5, 2017 9:02 PM
> > To: dev@netbeans.incubator.apache.org
> > Subject: Re: Newbie On Board!!!
> >
> > John thank you for the changes I think it looks very good now. I've added
> > few more sentences.
> >
> > Ioannis please take a look at
> > https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/NETBEANS/
> > Development+Environment
> >
> > and let us know if there is anything else that would help you (and
> others)
> > to make the first steps in contributing.
> >
> > I think that we want to make people install and use NetBeans, so focus
> > should be on that. Not sure if there are any contributors who use other
> > IDEs and who want contribute to NetBeans development. This is maybe a bit
> > difefrent compared to other apache projects which tend to be IDE neutral
> >
> > Also it would be nice for issue tracker
> > https://issues.apache.org/jira/projects/NETBEANS to have some kind of
> > tags for difficulty level so newbies could filter out and quickly start
> > with simpler tasks.
> >
> > Cheers
> > Zoran
> >
> >
> > On Sat, Dec 2, 2017 at 4:12 PM, Ioannis Torounoglou <jo...@ionio.gr>
> > wrote:
> >
> > > Thank you Zoran I think we can add some more details on the list!
> > >
> > > I really think is should exist in first place.
> > >
> > > Right now I'm busy with other stuff but I promise to come back in the
> > > next days.
> > >
> > >
> > > Cheers!!!
> > >
> > > J!
> > >
> > > -----Original Message-----
> > > From: Zoran Sevarac [mailto:sevarac@gmail.com]
> > > Sent: Saturday, December 2, 2017 10:56 AM
> > > To: dev@netbeans.incubator.apache.org
> > > Subject: Re: Newbie On Board!!!
> > >
> > > Thank you Ioannis, its usefull for us to get the perspective of the
> > > new contributors.
> > > I've added your steps to
> > > https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/NETBEANS/
> > > Development+Environment
> > > as the to the Quick Steps for Newbies section.
> > > I think that page is very important for attracting new developers and
> > > growing the community. I know that my students will be very happy to
> > > have this brief info in one place.
> > >
> > > Also I would rename that page to 'Getting started' or 'Quick start' as
> > > thats almost standard for most of the open source projects, and thats
> > > what peopke are looking for.
> > > Regarding the required software I would just put NetBeans IDE which
> > > already comes with Ant, Git and even with JDK.
> > > Since this page is targeted for absolute beginner this will help them
> > > to get started faster, and more advanced users would know what to do.
> > > Also I think that its ok to build NetBEans from the NetBeans, and not
> > > from the command line, since thats what Ioannis did, and that
> > > perfectly makes sense to me.
> > > Please let me know what you think about suggested changes?
> > >
> > > Thanks
> > > Zoran
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > On Thu, Nov 30, 2017 at 12:03 AM, Ioannis Torounoglou
> > > <jo...@ionio.gr>
> > > wrote:
> > >
> > > > Thank you John!
> > > >
> > > > This is what I had in mind!
> > > >
> > > > Maybe you can add some links
> > > > Java SE Development Kit 8
> > > > (http://www.oracle.com/technetwork/java/javase/
> > > > downloads/jdk8-downloads-2133151.html ) Git
> > > > (https://git-scm.com/downloads ) for Linux
> > > > https://git-scm.com/download/linux information for different
> > > > distributions.
> > > >
> > > > Ant I think is included in Netbeans 8.2 (I don't know about 9)
> > > >
> > > > We should improve the "How to get started locally"
> > > > I will tell you what I did so maybe you can correct it and upload it
> > > >
> > > > 1. Create an account on github (https://github.com/) 2. While logged
> > > > in visit https://github.com/apache/incubator-netbeans
> > > > 3. Fork the project to your account.
> > > > 4. Your git repository is https://github.com/USERNAME/
> > > > incubator-netbeans.git 5. Inside Netbeans (8.2 I don't know about 9)
> > > > choose Team>Git>Clone...
> > > > 6. Fill in the form with your repository/username/password and the
> > > > local path to save 7. Click Next , Select master then Next and
> > > > finally finish.
> > > > 8. Download is starting and you get your local copy.
> > > >
> > > > ---------
> > > > I'm up to here right now I tried
> > > > $ant
> > > > But I have some errors that I have to check I will post the next
> > > > steps as I manage to move on!
> > > >
> > > > Keep on!!!
> > > >
> > > > J!
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > -----Original Message-----
> > > > From: John McDonnell [mailto:mcdonnell.john@gmail.com]
> > > > Sent: Thursday, November 30, 2017 12:18 AM
> > > > To: dev@netbeans.incubator.apache.org
> > > > Subject: Re: Newbie On Board!!!
> > > >
> > > > Ioannis,
> > > >
> > > > I've added a Developer Environment page to Confluence:
> > > >
> > > > https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/NETBEANS/Developer+Envir
> > > > on
> > > > ment
> > > >
> > > > If you think there's something missing feel free to add to it, or
> > > > indeed let me know and I can add to the page.
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > Regards
> > > >
> > > > John
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > On 29 November 2017 at 21:41, Geertjan Wielenga <
> > > > geertjan.wielenga@googlemail.com> wrote:
> > > >
> > > > > Yes, you can use NetBeans 8.2 to edit the code in your fork.
> > > > >
> > > > > In the netbeans.conf file, in NetBeans 8.2 installation directory,
> > > > > you can point to the JDK you want to use. In your fork, that is
> > > > > found in nbbuild/netbeans/etc.
> > > > >
> > > > > Gj
> > > > >
> > > > > On Wed, Nov 29, 2017 at 10:38 PM, Ioannis Torounoglou
> > > > > <jo...@ionio.gr>
> > > > > wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > > I have already read all these!
> > > > > >
> > > > > > But you gave me a clue!!!
> > > > > >
> > > > > > I can work with my Netbeans 8.2 editing code from my git fork?
> > > > > >
> > > > > > When I run-test NB9 how do I set it to use JDK9 since I have
> > > > > > them
> > > > both???
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Thank you!!!
> > > > > > J!
> > > > > >
> > > > > > -----Original Message-----
> > > > > > From: Geertjan Wielenga
> > > > > > [mailto:geertjan.wielenga@googlemail.com]
> > > > > > Sent: Wednesday, November 29, 2017 11:26 PM
> > > > > > To: dev@netbeans.incubator.apache.org
> > > > > > Subject: Re: Newbie On Board!!!
> > > > > >
> > > > > > We do document all of these things here:
> > > > > >
> > > > > > https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/NETBEANS
> > > > > >
> > > > > > For example, you'll find this link:
> > > > > >
> > > > > > https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/NETBEANS/
> > > > > > Installation+of+Apache+NetBeans
> > > > > >
> > > > > > The README at Apache Git also tells you to use JDK 8 (and
> > > > > > release of JDK
> > > > > > 8) to build NetBeans and that you can either run the built
> > > > > > NetBeans on
> > > > > top
> > > > > > of JDK 8 or JDK 9.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > You run 'ant' in the clone that you get from Git, as explained
> > > > > > in the Apache NetBeans Git README.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > You can also get a ZIP from Jenkins, if you don't want to build
> > > > > > at
> > > all:
> > > > > > builds.apache.org/job/incubator-netbeans-linux
> > > > > >
> > > > > > All of the above is described at
> > > > > > cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/NETBEANS.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > You can developed NetBeans in NetBeans 8.2 or the Apache
> > > > > > NetBeans
> > > > > > 9
> > > > > build,
> > > > > > that's up to you.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Gj
> > > > > >
> > > > > > On Wed, Nov 29, 2017 at 10:21 PM, Ioannis Torounoglou
> > > > > > <jo...@ionio.gr>
> > > > > > wrote:
> > > > > >
> > > > > > > Ok!!!
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Let's start over! Sorry for being rude!
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > I have a new Debian VM, I installed Git, I have Ant, I
> > > > > > > installed JDK 8 and JDK 9 from oracle.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > What to do next?
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Do you develop NB9 inside the built version or using NB 8.2?
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > How do you choose which JDK to be used?
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > J!
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > -----Original Message-----
> > > > > > > From: Geertjan Wielenga
> > > > > > > [mailto:geertjan.wielenga@googlemail.com]
> > > > > > > Sent: Wednesday, November 29, 2017 11:13 PM
> > > > > > > To: dev@netbeans.incubator.apache.org
> > > > > > > Subject: Re: Newbie On Board!!!
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > No, nobody is not calling you smart.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > I'm trying to help you, trying to answer your questions.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Thanks,
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Geertjan
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > On Wed, Nov 29, 2017 at 10:11 PM, Ioannis Torounoglou
> > > > > > > <jo...@ionio.gr>
> > > > > > > wrote:
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > Ok maybe I'm not as smart as you!
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > So I will leave!
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > J!
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > PS: I see a lot of people leaving btw! Think about it!
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > -----Original Message-----
> > > > > > > > From: Geertjan Wielenga
> > > > > > > > [mailto:geertjan.wielenga@googlemail.com]
> > > > > > > > Sent: Wednesday, November 29, 2017 11:04 PM
> > > > > > > > To: dev@netbeans.incubator.apache.org
> > > > > > > > Subject: Re: Newbie On Board!!!
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > That's precisely what you were told in the first e-mail --
> > > > > > > > go here and read the README, it tells you exactly that:
> > > > > > > > https://github.com/apache/incubator-netbeans
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > You can probably also use a lot less exclamation marks.
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > Gj
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > On Wed, Nov 29, 2017 at 10:02 PM, Ioannis Torounoglou
> > > > > > > > <jo...@ionio.gr>
> > > > > > > > wrote:
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > I'm sorry to speak like that, because I'm not used to!!!
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > But 4 people replied told me the same thing!!
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > To be in this mailing list means that I have read this
> > page!!!!
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > What I need is very simple a list!!!
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > 1.  you need Ant
> > > > > > > > > 2 install JDK8
> > > > > > > > > 3 install JDK9
> > > > > > > > > 4 Download this
> > > > > > > > > 5 install that!!!
> > > > > > > > > 6 YOU ARE READY TO HELP US!!!!
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > Why this is so hard for all of you to be done!!!
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > J!
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > -----Original Message-----
> > > > > > > > > From: Geertjan Wielenga
> > > > > > > > > [mailto:geertjan.wielenga@googlemail.com]
> > > > > > > > > Sent: Wednesday, November 29, 2017 10:58 PM
> > > > > > > > > To: dev@netbeans.incubator.apache.org
> > > > > > > > > Subject: Re: Newbie On Board!!!
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > Hello Ioannis,
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > We don't call each other idiots here.
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > NetBeans is incubating at Apache. Apache is a software
> > > > foundation:
> > > > > > > > > apache.org
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > What you contribute to an Apache project depends on your
> > needs.
> > > > > > > > > What would you like NetBeans to be able to do that it
> > > > > > > > > currently does not do? What features would you like to work
> > on?
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > We are currently working on the Beta release of Apache
> > > > > > > > > NetBeans
> > > > > > > > > (incubating) 9.0 and you're welcome to work on that too:
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/NETBEANS/
> > > > > > > > > Apache+NetBeans+9.0+Beta
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > Thanks,
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > Geertjan
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > On Wed, Nov 29, 2017 at 9:55 PM, Ioannis Torounoglou
> > > > > > > > > <jo...@ionio.gr>
> > > > > > > > > wrote:
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > Why you are so idiots???
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > Everybody here has read https://cwiki.apache.org/
> > > > > > > > > > confluence/display/NETBEANS/How+to+Participate
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > Why you keep posting that!!!
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > ?
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > -----Original Message-----
> > > > > > > > > > From: Geertjan Wielenga
> > > > > > > > > > [mailto:geertjan.wielenga@googlemail.com]
> > > > > > > > > > Sent: Wednesday, November 29, 2017 10:53 PM
> > > > > > > > > > To: dev@netbeans.incubator.apache.org
> > > > > > > > > > Subject: Re: Newbie On Board!!!
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > We need a lot. We need whatever bugs you want to fix or
> > > > > > > > > > features you want to implement. What would you like to
> > > > > > > > > > work
> > > on?
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > How to get involved:
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/NETBEANS/How
> > > > > > > > > > +t
> > > > > > > > > > o+
> > > > > > > > > > Part
> > > > > > > > > > ic
> > > > > > > > > > ip
> > > > > > > > > > at
> > > > > > > > > > e
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > Also, keep following the mailing list, there's tasks and
> > > > > > > > > > discussions all the time, right now we're working on the
> > > > > > > > > > Beta
> > > > > > > release together:
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/NETBEANS/
> > > > > > > > > > Apache+NetBeans+9.0+Beta
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > Gj
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > On Wed, Nov 29, 2017 at 9:51 PM, Ioannis Torounoglou
> > > > > > > > > > <jo...@ionio.gr>
> > > > > > > > > > wrote:
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > So I guess you don't need anything!!!
> > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > I'm out of here!!!
> > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > J!
> > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > -----Original Message-----
> > > > > > > > > > > From: Geertjan Wielenga
> > > > > > > > > > > [mailto:geertjan.wielenga@googlemail.com]
> > > > > > > > > > > Sent: Wednesday, November 29, 2017 3:50 PM
> > > > > > > > > > > To: dev@netbeans.incubator.apache.org
> > > > > > > > > > > Subject: Re: Newbie On Board!!!
> > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > What would you like there to be on the Wiki page that
> > > > > > > > > > > isn't already
> > > > > > > > > > there:
> > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/NETBEANS
> > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > Gj
> > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > On Wed, Nov 29, 2017 at 2:43 PM, Ioannis Torounoglou
> > > > > > > > > > > <jo...@ionio.gr>
> > > > > > > > > > > wrote:
> > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > Hi Zoran,
> > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > This a very good idea!!!
> > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > I have already found a few things but I'm far away!!!
> > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > How can I start this wiki page?
> > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > >  J!
> > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > -----Original Message-----
> > > > > > > > > > > > From: Zoran Sevarac [mailto:sevarac@gmail.com]
> > > > > > > > > > > > Sent: Wednesday, November 29, 2017 10:59 AM
> > > > > > > > > > > > To: dev@netbeans.incubator.apache.org
> > > > > > > > > > > > Subject: Re: Newbie On Board!!!
> > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > Hi Ioannis,
> > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > The great way to contribute would be that you put
> > > > > > > > > > > > together a wiki page for 'Getting Started for
> > > > > > > > > > > > Contributors' which should include all your
> > > > > > > > > > > > questions as a new contributor, with all the answers
> > > > > > > > > > > > you learn along the
> > > > > > > > > > > way.
> > > > > > > > > > > > You can start by creating that page
> > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > Cheers
> > > > > > > > > > > > Zoran
> > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > On Tue, Nov 28, 2017 at 4:18 PM, Geertjan Wielenga <
> > > > > > > > > > > > geertjan.wielenga@googlemail.com> wrote:
> > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > How to build etc is all in the README, like for
> > > > > > > > > > > > > all other Apache
> > > > > > > > > > > > projects:
> > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > github.com/apache/incubator-netbeans
> > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > How to get involved:
> > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/NETBEA
> > > > > > > > > > > > > NS
> > > > > > > > > > > > > /H
> > > > > > > > > > > > > ow+t
> > > > > > > > > > > > > o+
> > > > > > > > > > > > > Pa
> > > > > > > > > > > > > rt
> > > > > > > > > > > > > ic
> > > > > > > > > > > > > ip
> > > > > > > > > > > > > at
> > > > > > > > > > > > > e
> > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > Also, keep following the mailing list, there's
> > > > > > > > > > > > > tasks and discussions all the time, right now
> > > > > > > > > > > > > we're working on the Beta
> > > > > > > > > > release together:
> > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/NETBEA
> > > > > > > > > > > > > NS
> > > > > > > > > > > > > /
> > > > > > > > > > > > > Apache+NetBeans+9.0+Beta
> > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > Which operating system? Any operating system --
> > > > > > > > > > > > > Java is write once, run anywhere.
> > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > Gj
> > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > On Tue, Nov 28, 2017 at 4:14 PM, Ioannis
> > > > > > > > > > > > > Torounoglou <jo...@ionio.gr>
> > > > > > > > > > > > > wrote:
> > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > Hello again!!!
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > Sorry to bother you all and thanks Antonio for
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > the
> > > > reply!
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > I UNDERSTAND that you are all pretty busy
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > because this is a huge
> > > > > > > > > > > > project.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > But if YOU want a community project you mast
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > spend some time to help community help you!!!
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > Some people should stop production and give
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > information to new people who want to get
> involved.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > And because these info is not to be sent to
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > e-mail a WIKI page must be inserted!!!
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > Which Operating system should I have!
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > Which tools CSV, Netbeans, Notepad (which
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > versions
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > etc.) Info how to build (If I have to build )
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > PLEASE HELP us to HELP you!
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > J!
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > -----Original Message-----
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > From: Antonio [mailto:antonio@vieiro.net]
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > Sent: Sunday, November 26, 2017 8:32 AM
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > To: dev@netbeans.incubator.apache.org
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > Subject: Re: Newbie On Board!!!
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > Welcome, Ioannis,
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > You may want to take a look at our wiki at
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > Wiki
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > https://cwiki.apache.org/
> confluence/pages/viewpage
> > .
> > > > > > > > > > > > > action?pageId=65873923
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > Cheers,
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > Antonio
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > El 26/11/17 a las 00:02, Ioannis Torounoglou
> > > escribió:
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Hello everybody!!!
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I'm new here willing to help!
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I don't know where to start and what to do!
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Any help will be great!
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > J!
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > --
> > > > > > > > > > > > Zoran Sevarac, PhD, Assistant Professor Department
> > > > > > > > > > > > of Software Engineering University of Belgrade,
> > > > > > > > > > > > Faculty of Organisational Sciences <
> > > > > > > > > > > > http://www.fon.rs> Neuroph
> > > > > > > > > > > > <http://neuroph.sourceforge.net/> founder
> > > > > > > > > > > > | Java Champion
> > > > > > > > > > > > <https://community.oracle.com/community/java/java-ch
> > > > > > > > > > > > am
> > > > > > > > > > > > pi
> > > > > > > > > > > > ons>
> > > > > > > > > > > > | NetBeans Dream Team
> > > > > > > > > > > > | <http://wiki.netbeans.org/NetBeansDreamTeam>
> > > > > > > > > > > > Homepage: http://www.zoransevarac.com
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Re: Newbie On Board!!!

Posted by Ioannis Torounoglou <jo...@ionio.gr>.
After a few days of inactivity I realized that with volunteer development
it is very easy to be outdated!

When I visited my fork in github I got a message

"This branch is 62 commits behind apache:master."

After a small research to update my fork:

~$ cd NetBeansProjects/
~/NetBeansProjects$ cd incubator-netbeans/
~/NetBeansProjects/incubator-netbeans$ git remote add upstream
https://github.com/apache/incubator-netbeans.git
~/NetBeansProjects/incubator-netbeans$ git fetch upstream
~/NetBeansProjects/incubator-netbeans$ git pull upstream master
~/NetBeansProjects/incubator-netbeans$ git push

My fork is up to date again!!!

May be for some of you is a joke but can/will help many newbies!!!

Feel free to modify it as you like and add it to Newbies Section!!!

Also I think the Issue tracker idea is fantastic and you should spend some
time thinking about it!!


Cheers!!

J!

On Tue, Dec 5, 2017 at 9:40 PM, Ioannis Torounoglou <jo...@ionio.gr>
wrote:

> Wooooow!!!
>
>
> I was thinking of making something like that but yours is even greater!!!
>
> J!
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Zoran Sevarac [mailto:sevarac@gmail.com]
> Sent: Tuesday, December 5, 2017 9:02 PM
> To: dev@netbeans.incubator.apache.org
> Subject: Re: Newbie On Board!!!
>
> John thank you for the changes I think it looks very good now. I've added
> few more sentences.
>
> Ioannis please take a look at
> https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/NETBEANS/
> Development+Environment
>
> and let us know if there is anything else that would help you (and others)
> to make the first steps in contributing.
>
> I think that we want to make people install and use NetBeans, so focus
> should be on that. Not sure if there are any contributors who use other
> IDEs and who want contribute to NetBeans development. This is maybe a bit
> difefrent compared to other apache projects which tend to be IDE neutral
>
> Also it would be nice for issue tracker
> https://issues.apache.org/jira/projects/NETBEANS to have some kind of
> tags for difficulty level so newbies could filter out and quickly start
> with simpler tasks.
>
> Cheers
> Zoran
>
>
> On Sat, Dec 2, 2017 at 4:12 PM, Ioannis Torounoglou <jo...@ionio.gr>
> wrote:
>
> > Thank you Zoran I think we can add some more details on the list!
> >
> > I really think is should exist in first place.
> >
> > Right now I'm busy with other stuff but I promise to come back in the
> > next days.
> >
> >
> > Cheers!!!
> >
> > J!
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Zoran Sevarac [mailto:sevarac@gmail.com]
> > Sent: Saturday, December 2, 2017 10:56 AM
> > To: dev@netbeans.incubator.apache.org
> > Subject: Re: Newbie On Board!!!
> >
> > Thank you Ioannis, its usefull for us to get the perspective of the
> > new contributors.
> > I've added your steps to
> > https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/NETBEANS/
> > Development+Environment
> > as the to the Quick Steps for Newbies section.
> > I think that page is very important for attracting new developers and
> > growing the community. I know that my students will be very happy to
> > have this brief info in one place.
> >
> > Also I would rename that page to 'Getting started' or 'Quick start' as
> > thats almost standard for most of the open source projects, and thats
> > what peopke are looking for.
> > Regarding the required software I would just put NetBeans IDE which
> > already comes with Ant, Git and even with JDK.
> > Since this page is targeted for absolute beginner this will help them
> > to get started faster, and more advanced users would know what to do.
> > Also I think that its ok to build NetBEans from the NetBeans, and not
> > from the command line, since thats what Ioannis did, and that
> > perfectly makes sense to me.
> > Please let me know what you think about suggested changes?
> >
> > Thanks
> > Zoran
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > On Thu, Nov 30, 2017 at 12:03 AM, Ioannis Torounoglou
> > <jo...@ionio.gr>
> > wrote:
> >
> > > Thank you John!
> > >
> > > This is what I had in mind!
> > >
> > > Maybe you can add some links
> > > Java SE Development Kit 8
> > > (http://www.oracle.com/technetwork/java/javase/
> > > downloads/jdk8-downloads-2133151.html ) Git
> > > (https://git-scm.com/downloads ) for Linux
> > > https://git-scm.com/download/linux information for different
> > > distributions.
> > >
> > > Ant I think is included in Netbeans 8.2 (I don't know about 9)
> > >
> > > We should improve the "How to get started locally"
> > > I will tell you what I did so maybe you can correct it and upload it
> > >
> > > 1. Create an account on github (https://github.com/) 2. While logged
> > > in visit https://github.com/apache/incubator-netbeans
> > > 3. Fork the project to your account.
> > > 4. Your git repository is https://github.com/USERNAME/
> > > incubator-netbeans.git 5. Inside Netbeans (8.2 I don't know about 9)
> > > choose Team>Git>Clone...
> > > 6. Fill in the form with your repository/username/password and the
> > > local path to save 7. Click Next , Select master then Next and
> > > finally finish.
> > > 8. Download is starting and you get your local copy.
> > >
> > > ---------
> > > I'm up to here right now I tried
> > > $ant
> > > But I have some errors that I have to check I will post the next
> > > steps as I manage to move on!
> > >
> > > Keep on!!!
> > >
> > > J!
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > -----Original Message-----
> > > From: John McDonnell [mailto:mcdonnell.john@gmail.com]
> > > Sent: Thursday, November 30, 2017 12:18 AM
> > > To: dev@netbeans.incubator.apache.org
> > > Subject: Re: Newbie On Board!!!
> > >
> > > Ioannis,
> > >
> > > I've added a Developer Environment page to Confluence:
> > >
> > > https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/NETBEANS/Developer+Envir
> > > on
> > > ment
> > >
> > > If you think there's something missing feel free to add to it, or
> > > indeed let me know and I can add to the page.
> > >
> > >
> > > Regards
> > >
> > > John
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > On 29 November 2017 at 21:41, Geertjan Wielenga <
> > > geertjan.wielenga@googlemail.com> wrote:
> > >
> > > > Yes, you can use NetBeans 8.2 to edit the code in your fork.
> > > >
> > > > In the netbeans.conf file, in NetBeans 8.2 installation directory,
> > > > you can point to the JDK you want to use. In your fork, that is
> > > > found in nbbuild/netbeans/etc.
> > > >
> > > > Gj
> > > >
> > > > On Wed, Nov 29, 2017 at 10:38 PM, Ioannis Torounoglou
> > > > <jo...@ionio.gr>
> > > > wrote:
> > > >
> > > > > I have already read all these!
> > > > >
> > > > > But you gave me a clue!!!
> > > > >
> > > > > I can work with my Netbeans 8.2 editing code from my git fork?
> > > > >
> > > > > When I run-test NB9 how do I set it to use JDK9 since I have
> > > > > them
> > > both???
> > > > >
> > > > > Thank you!!!
> > > > > J!
> > > > >
> > > > > -----Original Message-----
> > > > > From: Geertjan Wielenga
> > > > > [mailto:geertjan.wielenga@googlemail.com]
> > > > > Sent: Wednesday, November 29, 2017 11:26 PM
> > > > > To: dev@netbeans.incubator.apache.org
> > > > > Subject: Re: Newbie On Board!!!
> > > > >
> > > > > We do document all of these things here:
> > > > >
> > > > > https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/NETBEANS
> > > > >
> > > > > For example, you'll find this link:
> > > > >
> > > > > https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/NETBEANS/
> > > > > Installation+of+Apache+NetBeans
> > > > >
> > > > > The README at Apache Git also tells you to use JDK 8 (and
> > > > > release of JDK
> > > > > 8) to build NetBeans and that you can either run the built
> > > > > NetBeans on
> > > > top
> > > > > of JDK 8 or JDK 9.
> > > > >
> > > > > You run 'ant' in the clone that you get from Git, as explained
> > > > > in the Apache NetBeans Git README.
> > > > >
> > > > > You can also get a ZIP from Jenkins, if you don't want to build
> > > > > at
> > all:
> > > > > builds.apache.org/job/incubator-netbeans-linux
> > > > >
> > > > > All of the above is described at
> > > > > cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/NETBEANS.
> > > > >
> > > > > You can developed NetBeans in NetBeans 8.2 or the Apache
> > > > > NetBeans
> > > > > 9
> > > > build,
> > > > > that's up to you.
> > > > >
> > > > > Gj
> > > > >
> > > > > On Wed, Nov 29, 2017 at 10:21 PM, Ioannis Torounoglou
> > > > > <jo...@ionio.gr>
> > > > > wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > > Ok!!!
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Let's start over! Sorry for being rude!
> > > > > >
> > > > > > I have a new Debian VM, I installed Git, I have Ant, I
> > > > > > installed JDK 8 and JDK 9 from oracle.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > What to do next?
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Do you develop NB9 inside the built version or using NB 8.2?
> > > > > >
> > > > > > How do you choose which JDK to be used?
> > > > > >
> > > > > > J!
> > > > > >
> > > > > > -----Original Message-----
> > > > > > From: Geertjan Wielenga
> > > > > > [mailto:geertjan.wielenga@googlemail.com]
> > > > > > Sent: Wednesday, November 29, 2017 11:13 PM
> > > > > > To: dev@netbeans.incubator.apache.org
> > > > > > Subject: Re: Newbie On Board!!!
> > > > > >
> > > > > > No, nobody is not calling you smart.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > I'm trying to help you, trying to answer your questions.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Thanks,
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Geertjan
> > > > > >
> > > > > > On Wed, Nov 29, 2017 at 10:11 PM, Ioannis Torounoglou
> > > > > > <jo...@ionio.gr>
> > > > > > wrote:
> > > > > >
> > > > > > > Ok maybe I'm not as smart as you!
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > So I will leave!
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > J!
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > PS: I see a lot of people leaving btw! Think about it!
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > -----Original Message-----
> > > > > > > From: Geertjan Wielenga
> > > > > > > [mailto:geertjan.wielenga@googlemail.com]
> > > > > > > Sent: Wednesday, November 29, 2017 11:04 PM
> > > > > > > To: dev@netbeans.incubator.apache.org
> > > > > > > Subject: Re: Newbie On Board!!!
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > That's precisely what you were told in the first e-mail --
> > > > > > > go here and read the README, it tells you exactly that:
> > > > > > > https://github.com/apache/incubator-netbeans
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > You can probably also use a lot less exclamation marks.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Gj
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > On Wed, Nov 29, 2017 at 10:02 PM, Ioannis Torounoglou
> > > > > > > <jo...@ionio.gr>
> > > > > > > wrote:
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > I'm sorry to speak like that, because I'm not used to!!!
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > But 4 people replied told me the same thing!!
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > To be in this mailing list means that I have read this
> page!!!!
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > What I need is very simple a list!!!
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > 1.  you need Ant
> > > > > > > > 2 install JDK8
> > > > > > > > 3 install JDK9
> > > > > > > > 4 Download this
> > > > > > > > 5 install that!!!
> > > > > > > > 6 YOU ARE READY TO HELP US!!!!
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > Why this is so hard for all of you to be done!!!
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > J!
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > -----Original Message-----
> > > > > > > > From: Geertjan Wielenga
> > > > > > > > [mailto:geertjan.wielenga@googlemail.com]
> > > > > > > > Sent: Wednesday, November 29, 2017 10:58 PM
> > > > > > > > To: dev@netbeans.incubator.apache.org
> > > > > > > > Subject: Re: Newbie On Board!!!
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > Hello Ioannis,
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > We don't call each other idiots here.
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > NetBeans is incubating at Apache. Apache is a software
> > > foundation:
> > > > > > > > apache.org
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > What you contribute to an Apache project depends on your
> needs.
> > > > > > > > What would you like NetBeans to be able to do that it
> > > > > > > > currently does not do? What features would you like to work
> on?
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > We are currently working on the Beta release of Apache
> > > > > > > > NetBeans
> > > > > > > > (incubating) 9.0 and you're welcome to work on that too:
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/NETBEANS/
> > > > > > > > Apache+NetBeans+9.0+Beta
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > Thanks,
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > Geertjan
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > On Wed, Nov 29, 2017 at 9:55 PM, Ioannis Torounoglou
> > > > > > > > <jo...@ionio.gr>
> > > > > > > > wrote:
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > Why you are so idiots???
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > Everybody here has read https://cwiki.apache.org/
> > > > > > > > > confluence/display/NETBEANS/How+to+Participate
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > Why you keep posting that!!!
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > ?
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > -----Original Message-----
> > > > > > > > > From: Geertjan Wielenga
> > > > > > > > > [mailto:geertjan.wielenga@googlemail.com]
> > > > > > > > > Sent: Wednesday, November 29, 2017 10:53 PM
> > > > > > > > > To: dev@netbeans.incubator.apache.org
> > > > > > > > > Subject: Re: Newbie On Board!!!
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > We need a lot. We need whatever bugs you want to fix or
> > > > > > > > > features you want to implement. What would you like to
> > > > > > > > > work
> > on?
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > How to get involved:
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/NETBEANS/How
> > > > > > > > > +t
> > > > > > > > > o+
> > > > > > > > > Part
> > > > > > > > > ic
> > > > > > > > > ip
> > > > > > > > > at
> > > > > > > > > e
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > Also, keep following the mailing list, there's tasks and
> > > > > > > > > discussions all the time, right now we're working on the
> > > > > > > > > Beta
> > > > > > release together:
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/NETBEANS/
> > > > > > > > > Apache+NetBeans+9.0+Beta
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > Gj
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > On Wed, Nov 29, 2017 at 9:51 PM, Ioannis Torounoglou
> > > > > > > > > <jo...@ionio.gr>
> > > > > > > > > wrote:
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > So I guess you don't need anything!!!
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > I'm out of here!!!
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > J!
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > -----Original Message-----
> > > > > > > > > > From: Geertjan Wielenga
> > > > > > > > > > [mailto:geertjan.wielenga@googlemail.com]
> > > > > > > > > > Sent: Wednesday, November 29, 2017 3:50 PM
> > > > > > > > > > To: dev@netbeans.incubator.apache.org
> > > > > > > > > > Subject: Re: Newbie On Board!!!
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > What would you like there to be on the Wiki page that
> > > > > > > > > > isn't already
> > > > > > > > > there:
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/NETBEANS
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > Gj
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > On Wed, Nov 29, 2017 at 2:43 PM, Ioannis Torounoglou
> > > > > > > > > > <jo...@ionio.gr>
> > > > > > > > > > wrote:
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > Hi Zoran,
> > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > This a very good idea!!!
> > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > I have already found a few things but I'm far away!!!
> > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > How can I start this wiki page?
> > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > >  J!
> > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > -----Original Message-----
> > > > > > > > > > > From: Zoran Sevarac [mailto:sevarac@gmail.com]
> > > > > > > > > > > Sent: Wednesday, November 29, 2017 10:59 AM
> > > > > > > > > > > To: dev@netbeans.incubator.apache.org
> > > > > > > > > > > Subject: Re: Newbie On Board!!!
> > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > Hi Ioannis,
> > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > The great way to contribute would be that you put
> > > > > > > > > > > together a wiki page for 'Getting Started for
> > > > > > > > > > > Contributors' which should include all your
> > > > > > > > > > > questions as a new contributor, with all the answers
> > > > > > > > > > > you learn along the
> > > > > > > > > > way.
> > > > > > > > > > > You can start by creating that page
> > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > Cheers
> > > > > > > > > > > Zoran
> > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > On Tue, Nov 28, 2017 at 4:18 PM, Geertjan Wielenga <
> > > > > > > > > > > geertjan.wielenga@googlemail.com> wrote:
> > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > How to build etc is all in the README, like for
> > > > > > > > > > > > all other Apache
> > > > > > > > > > > projects:
> > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > github.com/apache/incubator-netbeans
> > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > How to get involved:
> > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/NETBEA
> > > > > > > > > > > > NS
> > > > > > > > > > > > /H
> > > > > > > > > > > > ow+t
> > > > > > > > > > > > o+
> > > > > > > > > > > > Pa
> > > > > > > > > > > > rt
> > > > > > > > > > > > ic
> > > > > > > > > > > > ip
> > > > > > > > > > > > at
> > > > > > > > > > > > e
> > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > Also, keep following the mailing list, there's
> > > > > > > > > > > > tasks and discussions all the time, right now
> > > > > > > > > > > > we're working on the Beta
> > > > > > > > > release together:
> > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/NETBEA
> > > > > > > > > > > > NS
> > > > > > > > > > > > /
> > > > > > > > > > > > Apache+NetBeans+9.0+Beta
> > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > Which operating system? Any operating system --
> > > > > > > > > > > > Java is write once, run anywhere.
> > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > Gj
> > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > On Tue, Nov 28, 2017 at 4:14 PM, Ioannis
> > > > > > > > > > > > Torounoglou <jo...@ionio.gr>
> > > > > > > > > > > > wrote:
> > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > Hello again!!!
> > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > Sorry to bother you all and thanks Antonio for
> > > > > > > > > > > > > the
> > > reply!
> > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > I UNDERSTAND that you are all pretty busy
> > > > > > > > > > > > > because this is a huge
> > > > > > > > > > > project.
> > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > But if YOU want a community project you mast
> > > > > > > > > > > > > spend some time to help community help you!!!
> > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > Some people should stop production and give
> > > > > > > > > > > > > information to new people who want to get involved.
> > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > And because these info is not to be sent to
> > > > > > > > > > > > > e-mail a WIKI page must be inserted!!!
> > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > Which Operating system should I have!
> > > > > > > > > > > > > Which tools CSV, Netbeans, Notepad (which
> > > > > > > > > > > > > versions
> > > > > > > > > > > > > etc.) Info how to build (If I have to build )
> > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > PLEASE HELP us to HELP you!
> > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > J!
> > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > -----Original Message-----
> > > > > > > > > > > > > From: Antonio [mailto:antonio@vieiro.net]
> > > > > > > > > > > > > Sent: Sunday, November 26, 2017 8:32 AM
> > > > > > > > > > > > > To: dev@netbeans.incubator.apache.org
> > > > > > > > > > > > > Subject: Re: Newbie On Board!!!
> > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > Welcome, Ioannis,
> > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > You may want to take a look at our wiki at
> > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > Wiki
> > > > > > > > > > > > > https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/pages/viewpage
> .
> > > > > > > > > > > > action?pageId=65873923
> > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > Cheers,
> > > > > > > > > > > > > Antonio
> > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > El 26/11/17 a las 00:02, Ioannis Torounoglou
> > escribió:
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > Hello everybody!!!
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > I'm new here willing to help!
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > I don't know where to start and what to do!
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > Any help will be great!
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > J!
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> > > > > > > > > > > of Software Engineering University of Belgrade,
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> > Zoran Sevarac, PhD, Assistant Professor Department of Software
> > Engineering University of Belgrade, Faculty of Organisational Sciences
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> Department of Software Engineering
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RE: Newbie On Board!!!

Posted by Ioannis Torounoglou <jo...@ionio.gr>.
Wooooow!!!


I was thinking of making something like that but yours is even greater!!!

J!

-----Original Message-----
From: Zoran Sevarac [mailto:sevarac@gmail.com] 
Sent: Tuesday, December 5, 2017 9:02 PM
To: dev@netbeans.incubator.apache.org
Subject: Re: Newbie On Board!!!

John thank you for the changes I think it looks very good now. I've added few more sentences.

Ioannis please take a look at
https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/NETBEANS/Development+Environment

and let us know if there is anything else that would help you (and others) to make the first steps in contributing.

I think that we want to make people install and use NetBeans, so focus should be on that. Not sure if there are any contributors who use other IDEs and who want contribute to NetBeans development. This is maybe a bit difefrent compared to other apache projects which tend to be IDE neutral

Also it would be nice for issue tracker
https://issues.apache.org/jira/projects/NETBEANS to have some kind of tags for difficulty level so newbies could filter out and quickly start with simpler tasks.

Cheers
Zoran


On Sat, Dec 2, 2017 at 4:12 PM, Ioannis Torounoglou <jo...@ionio.gr>
wrote:

> Thank you Zoran I think we can add some more details on the list!
>
> I really think is should exist in first place.
>
> Right now I'm busy with other stuff but I promise to come back in the 
> next days.
>
>
> Cheers!!!
>
> J!
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Zoran Sevarac [mailto:sevarac@gmail.com]
> Sent: Saturday, December 2, 2017 10:56 AM
> To: dev@netbeans.incubator.apache.org
> Subject: Re: Newbie On Board!!!
>
> Thank you Ioannis, its usefull for us to get the perspective of the 
> new contributors.
> I've added your steps to
> https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/NETBEANS/
> Development+Environment
> as the to the Quick Steps for Newbies section.
> I think that page is very important for attracting new developers and 
> growing the community. I know that my students will be very happy to 
> have this brief info in one place.
>
> Also I would rename that page to 'Getting started' or 'Quick start' as 
> thats almost standard for most of the open source projects, and thats 
> what peopke are looking for.
> Regarding the required software I would just put NetBeans IDE which 
> already comes with Ant, Git and even with JDK.
> Since this page is targeted for absolute beginner this will help them 
> to get started faster, and more advanced users would know what to do.
> Also I think that its ok to build NetBEans from the NetBeans, and not 
> from the command line, since thats what Ioannis did, and that 
> perfectly makes sense to me.
> Please let me know what you think about suggested changes?
>
> Thanks
> Zoran
>
>
>
>
>
> On Thu, Nov 30, 2017 at 12:03 AM, Ioannis Torounoglou 
> <jo...@ionio.gr>
> wrote:
>
> > Thank you John!
> >
> > This is what I had in mind!
> >
> > Maybe you can add some links
> > Java SE Development Kit 8
> > (http://www.oracle.com/technetwork/java/javase/
> > downloads/jdk8-downloads-2133151.html ) Git 
> > (https://git-scm.com/downloads ) for Linux 
> > https://git-scm.com/download/linux information for different 
> > distributions.
> >
> > Ant I think is included in Netbeans 8.2 (I don't know about 9)
> >
> > We should improve the "How to get started locally"
> > I will tell you what I did so maybe you can correct it and upload it
> >
> > 1. Create an account on github (https://github.com/) 2. While logged 
> > in visit https://github.com/apache/incubator-netbeans
> > 3. Fork the project to your account.
> > 4. Your git repository is https://github.com/USERNAME/ 
> > incubator-netbeans.git 5. Inside Netbeans (8.2 I don't know about 9) 
> > choose Team>Git>Clone...
> > 6. Fill in the form with your repository/username/password and the 
> > local path to save 7. Click Next , Select master then Next and 
> > finally finish.
> > 8. Download is starting and you get your local copy.
> >
> > ---------
> > I'm up to here right now I tried
> > $ant
> > But I have some errors that I have to check I will post the next 
> > steps as I manage to move on!
> >
> > Keep on!!!
> >
> > J!
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: John McDonnell [mailto:mcdonnell.john@gmail.com]
> > Sent: Thursday, November 30, 2017 12:18 AM
> > To: dev@netbeans.incubator.apache.org
> > Subject: Re: Newbie On Board!!!
> >
> > Ioannis,
> >
> > I've added a Developer Environment page to Confluence:
> >
> > https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/NETBEANS/Developer+Envir
> > on
> > ment
> >
> > If you think there's something missing feel free to add to it, or 
> > indeed let me know and I can add to the page.
> >
> >
> > Regards
> >
> > John
> >
> >
> >
> > On 29 November 2017 at 21:41, Geertjan Wielenga < 
> > geertjan.wielenga@googlemail.com> wrote:
> >
> > > Yes, you can use NetBeans 8.2 to edit the code in your fork.
> > >
> > > In the netbeans.conf file, in NetBeans 8.2 installation directory, 
> > > you can point to the JDK you want to use. In your fork, that is 
> > > found in nbbuild/netbeans/etc.
> > >
> > > Gj
> > >
> > > On Wed, Nov 29, 2017 at 10:38 PM, Ioannis Torounoglou 
> > > <jo...@ionio.gr>
> > > wrote:
> > >
> > > > I have already read all these!
> > > >
> > > > But you gave me a clue!!!
> > > >
> > > > I can work with my Netbeans 8.2 editing code from my git fork?
> > > >
> > > > When I run-test NB9 how do I set it to use JDK9 since I have 
> > > > them
> > both???
> > > >
> > > > Thank you!!!
> > > > J!
> > > >
> > > > -----Original Message-----
> > > > From: Geertjan Wielenga 
> > > > [mailto:geertjan.wielenga@googlemail.com]
> > > > Sent: Wednesday, November 29, 2017 11:26 PM
> > > > To: dev@netbeans.incubator.apache.org
> > > > Subject: Re: Newbie On Board!!!
> > > >
> > > > We do document all of these things here:
> > > >
> > > > https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/NETBEANS
> > > >
> > > > For example, you'll find this link:
> > > >
> > > > https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/NETBEANS/
> > > > Installation+of+Apache+NetBeans
> > > >
> > > > The README at Apache Git also tells you to use JDK 8 (and 
> > > > release of JDK
> > > > 8) to build NetBeans and that you can either run the built 
> > > > NetBeans on
> > > top
> > > > of JDK 8 or JDK 9.
> > > >
> > > > You run 'ant' in the clone that you get from Git, as explained 
> > > > in the Apache NetBeans Git README.
> > > >
> > > > You can also get a ZIP from Jenkins, if you don't want to build 
> > > > at
> all:
> > > > builds.apache.org/job/incubator-netbeans-linux
> > > >
> > > > All of the above is described at 
> > > > cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/NETBEANS.
> > > >
> > > > You can developed NetBeans in NetBeans 8.2 or the Apache 
> > > > NetBeans
> > > > 9
> > > build,
> > > > that's up to you.
> > > >
> > > > Gj
> > > >
> > > > On Wed, Nov 29, 2017 at 10:21 PM, Ioannis Torounoglou 
> > > > <jo...@ionio.gr>
> > > > wrote:
> > > >
> > > > > Ok!!!
> > > > >
> > > > > Let's start over! Sorry for being rude!
> > > > >
> > > > > I have a new Debian VM, I installed Git, I have Ant, I 
> > > > > installed JDK 8 and JDK 9 from oracle.
> > > > >
> > > > > What to do next?
> > > > >
> > > > > Do you develop NB9 inside the built version or using NB 8.2?
> > > > >
> > > > > How do you choose which JDK to be used?
> > > > >
> > > > > J!
> > > > >
> > > > > -----Original Message-----
> > > > > From: Geertjan Wielenga
> > > > > [mailto:geertjan.wielenga@googlemail.com]
> > > > > Sent: Wednesday, November 29, 2017 11:13 PM
> > > > > To: dev@netbeans.incubator.apache.org
> > > > > Subject: Re: Newbie On Board!!!
> > > > >
> > > > > No, nobody is not calling you smart.
> > > > >
> > > > > I'm trying to help you, trying to answer your questions.
> > > > >
> > > > > Thanks,
> > > > >
> > > > > Geertjan
> > > > >
> > > > > On Wed, Nov 29, 2017 at 10:11 PM, Ioannis Torounoglou 
> > > > > <jo...@ionio.gr>
> > > > > wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > > Ok maybe I'm not as smart as you!
> > > > > >
> > > > > > So I will leave!
> > > > > >
> > > > > > J!
> > > > > >
> > > > > > PS: I see a lot of people leaving btw! Think about it!
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > > -----Original Message-----
> > > > > > From: Geertjan Wielenga
> > > > > > [mailto:geertjan.wielenga@googlemail.com]
> > > > > > Sent: Wednesday, November 29, 2017 11:04 PM
> > > > > > To: dev@netbeans.incubator.apache.org
> > > > > > Subject: Re: Newbie On Board!!!
> > > > > >
> > > > > > That's precisely what you were told in the first e-mail -- 
> > > > > > go here and read the README, it tells you exactly that:
> > > > > > https://github.com/apache/incubator-netbeans
> > > > > >
> > > > > > You can probably also use a lot less exclamation marks.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Gj
> > > > > >
> > > > > > On Wed, Nov 29, 2017 at 10:02 PM, Ioannis Torounoglou 
> > > > > > <jo...@ionio.gr>
> > > > > > wrote:
> > > > > >
> > > > > > > I'm sorry to speak like that, because I'm not used to!!!
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > But 4 people replied told me the same thing!!
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > To be in this mailing list means that I have read this page!!!!
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > What I need is very simple a list!!!
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > 1.  you need Ant
> > > > > > > 2 install JDK8
> > > > > > > 3 install JDK9
> > > > > > > 4 Download this
> > > > > > > 5 install that!!!
> > > > > > > 6 YOU ARE READY TO HELP US!!!!
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Why this is so hard for all of you to be done!!!
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > J!
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > -----Original Message-----
> > > > > > > From: Geertjan Wielenga
> > > > > > > [mailto:geertjan.wielenga@googlemail.com]
> > > > > > > Sent: Wednesday, November 29, 2017 10:58 PM
> > > > > > > To: dev@netbeans.incubator.apache.org
> > > > > > > Subject: Re: Newbie On Board!!!
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Hello Ioannis,
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > We don't call each other idiots here.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > NetBeans is incubating at Apache. Apache is a software
> > foundation:
> > > > > > > apache.org
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > What you contribute to an Apache project depends on your needs.
> > > > > > > What would you like NetBeans to be able to do that it 
> > > > > > > currently does not do? What features would you like to work on?
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > We are currently working on the Beta release of Apache 
> > > > > > > NetBeans
> > > > > > > (incubating) 9.0 and you're welcome to work on that too:
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/NETBEANS/
> > > > > > > Apache+NetBeans+9.0+Beta
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Thanks,
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Geertjan
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > On Wed, Nov 29, 2017 at 9:55 PM, Ioannis Torounoglou 
> > > > > > > <jo...@ionio.gr>
> > > > > > > wrote:
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > Why you are so idiots???
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > Everybody here has read https://cwiki.apache.org/ 
> > > > > > > > confluence/display/NETBEANS/How+to+Participate
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > Why you keep posting that!!!
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > ?
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > -----Original Message-----
> > > > > > > > From: Geertjan Wielenga
> > > > > > > > [mailto:geertjan.wielenga@googlemail.com]
> > > > > > > > Sent: Wednesday, November 29, 2017 10:53 PM
> > > > > > > > To: dev@netbeans.incubator.apache.org
> > > > > > > > Subject: Re: Newbie On Board!!!
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > We need a lot. We need whatever bugs you want to fix or 
> > > > > > > > features you want to implement. What would you like to 
> > > > > > > > work
> on?
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > How to get involved:
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/NETBEANS/How
> > > > > > > > +t
> > > > > > > > o+
> > > > > > > > Part
> > > > > > > > ic
> > > > > > > > ip
> > > > > > > > at
> > > > > > > > e
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > Also, keep following the mailing list, there's tasks and 
> > > > > > > > discussions all the time, right now we're working on the 
> > > > > > > > Beta
> > > > > release together:
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/NETBEANS/
> > > > > > > > Apache+NetBeans+9.0+Beta
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > Gj
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > On Wed, Nov 29, 2017 at 9:51 PM, Ioannis Torounoglou 
> > > > > > > > <jo...@ionio.gr>
> > > > > > > > wrote:
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > So I guess you don't need anything!!!
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > I'm out of here!!!
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > J!
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > -----Original Message-----
> > > > > > > > > From: Geertjan Wielenga 
> > > > > > > > > [mailto:geertjan.wielenga@googlemail.com]
> > > > > > > > > Sent: Wednesday, November 29, 2017 3:50 PM
> > > > > > > > > To: dev@netbeans.incubator.apache.org
> > > > > > > > > Subject: Re: Newbie On Board!!!
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > What would you like there to be on the Wiki page that 
> > > > > > > > > isn't already
> > > > > > > > there:
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/NETBEANS
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > Gj
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > On Wed, Nov 29, 2017 at 2:43 PM, Ioannis Torounoglou 
> > > > > > > > > <jo...@ionio.gr>
> > > > > > > > > wrote:
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > Hi Zoran,
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > This a very good idea!!!
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > I have already found a few things but I'm far away!!!
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > How can I start this wiki page?
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > >  J!
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > -----Original Message-----
> > > > > > > > > > From: Zoran Sevarac [mailto:sevarac@gmail.com]
> > > > > > > > > > Sent: Wednesday, November 29, 2017 10:59 AM
> > > > > > > > > > To: dev@netbeans.incubator.apache.org
> > > > > > > > > > Subject: Re: Newbie On Board!!!
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > Hi Ioannis,
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > The great way to contribute would be that you put 
> > > > > > > > > > together a wiki page for 'Getting Started for 
> > > > > > > > > > Contributors' which should include all your 
> > > > > > > > > > questions as a new contributor, with all the answers 
> > > > > > > > > > you learn along the
> > > > > > > > > way.
> > > > > > > > > > You can start by creating that page
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > Cheers
> > > > > > > > > > Zoran
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > On Tue, Nov 28, 2017 at 4:18 PM, Geertjan Wielenga < 
> > > > > > > > > > geertjan.wielenga@googlemail.com> wrote:
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > How to build etc is all in the README, like for 
> > > > > > > > > > > all other Apache
> > > > > > > > > > projects:
> > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > github.com/apache/incubator-netbeans
> > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > How to get involved:
> > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/NETBEA
> > > > > > > > > > > NS
> > > > > > > > > > > /H
> > > > > > > > > > > ow+t
> > > > > > > > > > > o+
> > > > > > > > > > > Pa
> > > > > > > > > > > rt
> > > > > > > > > > > ic
> > > > > > > > > > > ip
> > > > > > > > > > > at
> > > > > > > > > > > e
> > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > Also, keep following the mailing list, there's 
> > > > > > > > > > > tasks and discussions all the time, right now 
> > > > > > > > > > > we're working on the Beta
> > > > > > > > release together:
> > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/NETBEA
> > > > > > > > > > > NS
> > > > > > > > > > > /
> > > > > > > > > > > Apache+NetBeans+9.0+Beta
> > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > Which operating system? Any operating system -- 
> > > > > > > > > > > Java is write once, run anywhere.
> > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > Gj
> > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > On Tue, Nov 28, 2017 at 4:14 PM, Ioannis 
> > > > > > > > > > > Torounoglou <jo...@ionio.gr>
> > > > > > > > > > > wrote:
> > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > Hello again!!!
> > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > Sorry to bother you all and thanks Antonio for 
> > > > > > > > > > > > the
> > reply!
> > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > I UNDERSTAND that you are all pretty busy 
> > > > > > > > > > > > because this is a huge
> > > > > > > > > > project.
> > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > But if YOU want a community project you mast 
> > > > > > > > > > > > spend some time to help community help you!!!
> > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > Some people should stop production and give 
> > > > > > > > > > > > information to new people who want to get involved.
> > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > And because these info is not to be sent to 
> > > > > > > > > > > > e-mail a WIKI page must be inserted!!!
> > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > Which Operating system should I have!
> > > > > > > > > > > > Which tools CSV, Netbeans, Notepad (which 
> > > > > > > > > > > > versions
> > > > > > > > > > > > etc.) Info how to build (If I have to build )
> > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > PLEASE HELP us to HELP you!
> > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > J!
> > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > -----Original Message-----
> > > > > > > > > > > > From: Antonio [mailto:antonio@vieiro.net]
> > > > > > > > > > > > Sent: Sunday, November 26, 2017 8:32 AM
> > > > > > > > > > > > To: dev@netbeans.incubator.apache.org
> > > > > > > > > > > > Subject: Re: Newbie On Board!!!
> > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > Welcome, Ioannis,
> > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > You may want to take a look at our wiki at
> > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > Wiki
> > > > > > > > > > > > https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/pages/viewpage.
> > > > > > > > > > > action?pageId=65873923
> > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > Cheers,
> > > > > > > > > > > > Antonio
> > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > El 26/11/17 a las 00:02, Ioannis Torounoglou
> escribió:
> > > > > > > > > > > > > Hello everybody!!!
> > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > I'm new here willing to help!
> > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > I don't know where to start and what to do!
> > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > Any help will be great!
> > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > J!
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Re: Newbie On Board!!!

Posted by Zoran Sevarac <se...@gmail.com>.
John thank you for the changes I think it looks very good now. I've added
few more sentences.

Ioannis please take a look at
https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/NETBEANS/Development+Environment

and let us know if there is anything else that would help you (and others)
to make the first steps in contributing.

I think that we want to make people install and use NetBeans, so focus
should be on that. Not sure if there are any contributors who use other
IDEs and who want contribute to NetBeans development. This is maybe a bit
difefrent compared to other apache projects which tend to be IDE neutral

Also it would be nice for issue tracker
https://issues.apache.org/jira/projects/NETBEANS to have some kind of tags
for difficulty level so newbies could filter out and quickly start with
simpler tasks.

Cheers
Zoran


On Sat, Dec 2, 2017 at 4:12 PM, Ioannis Torounoglou <jo...@ionio.gr>
wrote:

> Thank you Zoran I think we can add some more details on the list!
>
> I really think is should exist in first place.
>
> Right now I'm busy with other stuff but I promise to come back in the next
> days.
>
>
> Cheers!!!
>
> J!
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Zoran Sevarac [mailto:sevarac@gmail.com]
> Sent: Saturday, December 2, 2017 10:56 AM
> To: dev@netbeans.incubator.apache.org
> Subject: Re: Newbie On Board!!!
>
> Thank you Ioannis, its usefull for us to get the perspective of the new
> contributors.
> I've added your steps to
> https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/NETBEANS/
> Development+Environment
> as the to the Quick Steps for Newbies section.
> I think that page is very important for attracting new developers and
> growing the community. I know that my students will be very happy to have
> this brief info in one place.
>
> Also I would rename that page to 'Getting started' or 'Quick start' as
> thats almost standard for most of the open source projects, and thats what
> peopke are looking for.
> Regarding the required software I would just put NetBeans IDE which
> already comes with Ant, Git and even with JDK.
> Since this page is targeted for absolute beginner this will help them to
> get started faster, and more advanced users would know what to do.
> Also I think that its ok to build NetBEans from the NetBeans, and not from
> the command line, since thats what Ioannis did, and that perfectly makes
> sense to me.
> Please let me know what you think about suggested changes?
>
> Thanks
> Zoran
>
>
>
>
>
> On Thu, Nov 30, 2017 at 12:03 AM, Ioannis Torounoglou <jo...@ionio.gr>
> wrote:
>
> > Thank you John!
> >
> > This is what I had in mind!
> >
> > Maybe you can add some links
> > Java SE Development Kit 8
> > (http://www.oracle.com/technetwork/java/javase/
> > downloads/jdk8-downloads-2133151.html ) Git
> > (https://git-scm.com/downloads ) for Linux
> > https://git-scm.com/download/linux information for different
> > distributions.
> >
> > Ant I think is included in Netbeans 8.2 (I don't know about 9)
> >
> > We should improve the "How to get started locally"
> > I will tell you what I did so maybe you can correct it and upload it
> >
> > 1. Create an account on github (https://github.com/) 2. While logged
> > in visit https://github.com/apache/incubator-netbeans
> > 3. Fork the project to your account.
> > 4. Your git repository is https://github.com/USERNAME/
> > incubator-netbeans.git 5. Inside Netbeans (8.2 I don't know about 9)
> > choose Team>Git>Clone...
> > 6. Fill in the form with your repository/username/password and the
> > local path to save 7. Click Next , Select master then Next and finally
> > finish.
> > 8. Download is starting and you get your local copy.
> >
> > ---------
> > I'm up to here right now I tried
> > $ant
> > But I have some errors that I have to check I will post the next steps
> > as I manage to move on!
> >
> > Keep on!!!
> >
> > J!
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: John McDonnell [mailto:mcdonnell.john@gmail.com]
> > Sent: Thursday, November 30, 2017 12:18 AM
> > To: dev@netbeans.incubator.apache.org
> > Subject: Re: Newbie On Board!!!
> >
> > Ioannis,
> >
> > I've added a Developer Environment page to Confluence:
> >
> > https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/NETBEANS/Developer+Environ
> > ment
> >
> > If you think there's something missing feel free to add to it, or
> > indeed let me know and I can add to the page.
> >
> >
> > Regards
> >
> > John
> >
> >
> >
> > On 29 November 2017 at 21:41, Geertjan Wielenga <
> > geertjan.wielenga@googlemail.com> wrote:
> >
> > > Yes, you can use NetBeans 8.2 to edit the code in your fork.
> > >
> > > In the netbeans.conf file, in NetBeans 8.2 installation directory,
> > > you can point to the JDK you want to use. In your fork, that is
> > > found in nbbuild/netbeans/etc.
> > >
> > > Gj
> > >
> > > On Wed, Nov 29, 2017 at 10:38 PM, Ioannis Torounoglou
> > > <jo...@ionio.gr>
> > > wrote:
> > >
> > > > I have already read all these!
> > > >
> > > > But you gave me a clue!!!
> > > >
> > > > I can work with my Netbeans 8.2 editing code from my git fork?
> > > >
> > > > When I run-test NB9 how do I set it to use JDK9 since I have them
> > both???
> > > >
> > > > Thank you!!!
> > > > J!
> > > >
> > > > -----Original Message-----
> > > > From: Geertjan Wielenga [mailto:geertjan.wielenga@googlemail.com]
> > > > Sent: Wednesday, November 29, 2017 11:26 PM
> > > > To: dev@netbeans.incubator.apache.org
> > > > Subject: Re: Newbie On Board!!!
> > > >
> > > > We do document all of these things here:
> > > >
> > > > https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/NETBEANS
> > > >
> > > > For example, you'll find this link:
> > > >
> > > > https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/NETBEANS/
> > > > Installation+of+Apache+NetBeans
> > > >
> > > > The README at Apache Git also tells you to use JDK 8 (and release
> > > > of JDK
> > > > 8) to build NetBeans and that you can either run the built
> > > > NetBeans on
> > > top
> > > > of JDK 8 or JDK 9.
> > > >
> > > > You run 'ant' in the clone that you get from Git, as explained in
> > > > the Apache NetBeans Git README.
> > > >
> > > > You can also get a ZIP from Jenkins, if you don't want to build at
> all:
> > > > builds.apache.org/job/incubator-netbeans-linux
> > > >
> > > > All of the above is described at
> > > > cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/NETBEANS.
> > > >
> > > > You can developed NetBeans in NetBeans 8.2 or the Apache NetBeans
> > > > 9
> > > build,
> > > > that's up to you.
> > > >
> > > > Gj
> > > >
> > > > On Wed, Nov 29, 2017 at 10:21 PM, Ioannis Torounoglou
> > > > <jo...@ionio.gr>
> > > > wrote:
> > > >
> > > > > Ok!!!
> > > > >
> > > > > Let's start over! Sorry for being rude!
> > > > >
> > > > > I have a new Debian VM, I installed Git, I have Ant, I installed
> > > > > JDK 8 and JDK 9 from oracle.
> > > > >
> > > > > What to do next?
> > > > >
> > > > > Do you develop NB9 inside the built version or using NB 8.2?
> > > > >
> > > > > How do you choose which JDK to be used?
> > > > >
> > > > > J!
> > > > >
> > > > > -----Original Message-----
> > > > > From: Geertjan Wielenga
> > > > > [mailto:geertjan.wielenga@googlemail.com]
> > > > > Sent: Wednesday, November 29, 2017 11:13 PM
> > > > > To: dev@netbeans.incubator.apache.org
> > > > > Subject: Re: Newbie On Board!!!
> > > > >
> > > > > No, nobody is not calling you smart.
> > > > >
> > > > > I'm trying to help you, trying to answer your questions.
> > > > >
> > > > > Thanks,
> > > > >
> > > > > Geertjan
> > > > >
> > > > > On Wed, Nov 29, 2017 at 10:11 PM, Ioannis Torounoglou
> > > > > <jo...@ionio.gr>
> > > > > wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > > Ok maybe I'm not as smart as you!
> > > > > >
> > > > > > So I will leave!
> > > > > >
> > > > > > J!
> > > > > >
> > > > > > PS: I see a lot of people leaving btw! Think about it!
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > > -----Original Message-----
> > > > > > From: Geertjan Wielenga
> > > > > > [mailto:geertjan.wielenga@googlemail.com]
> > > > > > Sent: Wednesday, November 29, 2017 11:04 PM
> > > > > > To: dev@netbeans.incubator.apache.org
> > > > > > Subject: Re: Newbie On Board!!!
> > > > > >
> > > > > > That's precisely what you were told in the first e-mail -- go
> > > > > > here and read the README, it tells you exactly that:
> > > > > > https://github.com/apache/incubator-netbeans
> > > > > >
> > > > > > You can probably also use a lot less exclamation marks.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Gj
> > > > > >
> > > > > > On Wed, Nov 29, 2017 at 10:02 PM, Ioannis Torounoglou
> > > > > > <jo...@ionio.gr>
> > > > > > wrote:
> > > > > >
> > > > > > > I'm sorry to speak like that, because I'm not used to!!!
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > But 4 people replied told me the same thing!!
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > To be in this mailing list means that I have read this page!!!!
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > What I need is very simple a list!!!
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > 1.  you need Ant
> > > > > > > 2 install JDK8
> > > > > > > 3 install JDK9
> > > > > > > 4 Download this
> > > > > > > 5 install that!!!
> > > > > > > 6 YOU ARE READY TO HELP US!!!!
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Why this is so hard for all of you to be done!!!
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > J!
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > -----Original Message-----
> > > > > > > From: Geertjan Wielenga
> > > > > > > [mailto:geertjan.wielenga@googlemail.com]
> > > > > > > Sent: Wednesday, November 29, 2017 10:58 PM
> > > > > > > To: dev@netbeans.incubator.apache.org
> > > > > > > Subject: Re: Newbie On Board!!!
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Hello Ioannis,
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > We don't call each other idiots here.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > NetBeans is incubating at Apache. Apache is a software
> > foundation:
> > > > > > > apache.org
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > What you contribute to an Apache project depends on your needs.
> > > > > > > What would you like NetBeans to be able to do that it
> > > > > > > currently does not do? What features would you like to work on?
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > We are currently working on the Beta release of Apache
> > > > > > > NetBeans
> > > > > > > (incubating) 9.0 and you're welcome to work on that too:
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/NETBEANS/
> > > > > > > Apache+NetBeans+9.0+Beta
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Thanks,
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Geertjan
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > On Wed, Nov 29, 2017 at 9:55 PM, Ioannis Torounoglou
> > > > > > > <jo...@ionio.gr>
> > > > > > > wrote:
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > Why you are so idiots???
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > Everybody here has read https://cwiki.apache.org/
> > > > > > > > confluence/display/NETBEANS/How+to+Participate
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > Why you keep posting that!!!
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > ?
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > -----Original Message-----
> > > > > > > > From: Geertjan Wielenga
> > > > > > > > [mailto:geertjan.wielenga@googlemail.com]
> > > > > > > > Sent: Wednesday, November 29, 2017 10:53 PM
> > > > > > > > To: dev@netbeans.incubator.apache.org
> > > > > > > > Subject: Re: Newbie On Board!!!
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > We need a lot. We need whatever bugs you want to fix or
> > > > > > > > features you want to implement. What would you like to work
> on?
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > How to get involved:
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/NETBEANS/How+t
> > > > > > > > o+
> > > > > > > > Part
> > > > > > > > ic
> > > > > > > > ip
> > > > > > > > at
> > > > > > > > e
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > Also, keep following the mailing list, there's tasks and
> > > > > > > > discussions all the time, right now we're working on the
> > > > > > > > Beta
> > > > > release together:
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/NETBEANS/
> > > > > > > > Apache+NetBeans+9.0+Beta
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > Gj
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > On Wed, Nov 29, 2017 at 9:51 PM, Ioannis Torounoglou
> > > > > > > > <jo...@ionio.gr>
> > > > > > > > wrote:
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > So I guess you don't need anything!!!
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > I'm out of here!!!
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > J!
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > -----Original Message-----
> > > > > > > > > From: Geertjan Wielenga
> > > > > > > > > [mailto:geertjan.wielenga@googlemail.com]
> > > > > > > > > Sent: Wednesday, November 29, 2017 3:50 PM
> > > > > > > > > To: dev@netbeans.incubator.apache.org
> > > > > > > > > Subject: Re: Newbie On Board!!!
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > What would you like there to be on the Wiki page that
> > > > > > > > > isn't already
> > > > > > > > there:
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/NETBEANS
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > Gj
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > On Wed, Nov 29, 2017 at 2:43 PM, Ioannis Torounoglou
> > > > > > > > > <jo...@ionio.gr>
> > > > > > > > > wrote:
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > Hi Zoran,
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > This a very good idea!!!
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > I have already found a few things but I'm far away!!!
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > How can I start this wiki page?
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > >  J!
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > -----Original Message-----
> > > > > > > > > > From: Zoran Sevarac [mailto:sevarac@gmail.com]
> > > > > > > > > > Sent: Wednesday, November 29, 2017 10:59 AM
> > > > > > > > > > To: dev@netbeans.incubator.apache.org
> > > > > > > > > > Subject: Re: Newbie On Board!!!
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > Hi Ioannis,
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > The great way to contribute would be that you put
> > > > > > > > > > together a wiki page for 'Getting Started for
> > > > > > > > > > Contributors' which should include all your questions
> > > > > > > > > > as a new contributor, with all the answers you learn
> > > > > > > > > > along the
> > > > > > > > > way.
> > > > > > > > > > You can start by creating that page
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > Cheers
> > > > > > > > > > Zoran
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > On Tue, Nov 28, 2017 at 4:18 PM, Geertjan Wielenga <
> > > > > > > > > > geertjan.wielenga@googlemail.com> wrote:
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > How to build etc is all in the README, like for all
> > > > > > > > > > > other Apache
> > > > > > > > > > projects:
> > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > github.com/apache/incubator-netbeans
> > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > How to get involved:
> > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/NETBEANS
> > > > > > > > > > > /H
> > > > > > > > > > > ow+t
> > > > > > > > > > > o+
> > > > > > > > > > > Pa
> > > > > > > > > > > rt
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> > > > > > > > > > > at
> > > > > > > > > > > e
> > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > Also, keep following the mailing list, there's tasks
> > > > > > > > > > > and discussions all the time, right now we're
> > > > > > > > > > > working on the Beta
> > > > > > > > release together:
> > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/NETBEANS
> > > > > > > > > > > /
> > > > > > > > > > > Apache+NetBeans+9.0+Beta
> > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > Which operating system? Any operating system -- Java
> > > > > > > > > > > is write once, run anywhere.
> > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > Gj
> > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > On Tue, Nov 28, 2017 at 4:14 PM, Ioannis Torounoglou
> > > > > > > > > > > <jo...@ionio.gr>
> > > > > > > > > > > wrote:
> > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > Hello again!!!
> > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > Sorry to bother you all and thanks Antonio for the
> > reply!
> > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > I UNDERSTAND that you are all pretty busy because
> > > > > > > > > > > > this is a huge
> > > > > > > > > > project.
> > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > But if YOU want a community project you mast spend
> > > > > > > > > > > > some time to help community help you!!!
> > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > Some people should stop production and give
> > > > > > > > > > > > information to new people who want to get involved.
> > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > And because these info is not to be sent to e-mail
> > > > > > > > > > > > a WIKI page must be inserted!!!
> > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > Which Operating system should I have!
> > > > > > > > > > > > Which tools CSV, Netbeans, Notepad (which versions
> > > > > > > > > > > > etc.) Info how to build (If I have to build )
> > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > PLEASE HELP us to HELP you!
> > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > J!
> > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > -----Original Message-----
> > > > > > > > > > > > From: Antonio [mailto:antonio@vieiro.net]
> > > > > > > > > > > > Sent: Sunday, November 26, 2017 8:32 AM
> > > > > > > > > > > > To: dev@netbeans.incubator.apache.org
> > > > > > > > > > > > Subject: Re: Newbie On Board!!!
> > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > Welcome, Ioannis,
> > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > You may want to take a look at our wiki at
> > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > Wiki
> > > > > > > > > > > > https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/pages/viewpage.
> > > > > > > > > > > action?pageId=65873923
> > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > Cheers,
> > > > > > > > > > > > Antonio
> > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > El 26/11/17 a las 00:02, Ioannis Torounoglou
> escribió:
> > > > > > > > > > > > > Hello everybody!!!
> > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > I'm new here willing to help!
> > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > I don't know where to start and what to do!
> > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > Any help will be great!
> > > > > > > > > > > > >
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> > > > > > > > > > of Organisational Sciences < http://www.fon.rs>
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RE: Newbie On Board!!!

Posted by Ioannis Torounoglou <jo...@ionio.gr>.
Thank you Zoran I think we can add some more details on the list!

I really think is should exist in first place.

Right now I'm busy with other stuff but I promise to come back in the next days.


Cheers!!!

J!

-----Original Message-----
From: Zoran Sevarac [mailto:sevarac@gmail.com] 
Sent: Saturday, December 2, 2017 10:56 AM
To: dev@netbeans.incubator.apache.org
Subject: Re: Newbie On Board!!!

Thank you Ioannis, its usefull for us to get the perspective of the new contributors.
I've added your steps to
https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/NETBEANS/Development+Environment
as the to the Quick Steps for Newbies section.
I think that page is very important for attracting new developers and growing the community. I know that my students will be very happy to have this brief info in one place.

Also I would rename that page to 'Getting started' or 'Quick start' as thats almost standard for most of the open source projects, and thats what peopke are looking for.
Regarding the required software I would just put NetBeans IDE which already comes with Ant, Git and even with JDK.
Since this page is targeted for absolute beginner this will help them to get started faster, and more advanced users would know what to do.
Also I think that its ok to build NetBEans from the NetBeans, and not from the command line, since thats what Ioannis did, and that perfectly makes sense to me.
Please let me know what you think about suggested changes?

Thanks
Zoran





On Thu, Nov 30, 2017 at 12:03 AM, Ioannis Torounoglou <jo...@ionio.gr>
wrote:

> Thank you John!
>
> This is what I had in mind!
>
> Maybe you can add some links
> Java SE Development Kit 8 
> (http://www.oracle.com/technetwork/java/javase/
> downloads/jdk8-downloads-2133151.html ) Git 
> (https://git-scm.com/downloads ) for Linux 
> https://git-scm.com/download/linux information for different 
> distributions.
>
> Ant I think is included in Netbeans 8.2 (I don't know about 9)
>
> We should improve the "How to get started locally"
> I will tell you what I did so maybe you can correct it and upload it
>
> 1. Create an account on github (https://github.com/) 2. While logged 
> in visit https://github.com/apache/incubator-netbeans
> 3. Fork the project to your account.
> 4. Your git repository is https://github.com/USERNAME/ 
> incubator-netbeans.git 5. Inside Netbeans (8.2 I don't know about 9) 
> choose Team>Git>Clone...
> 6. Fill in the form with your repository/username/password and the 
> local path to save 7. Click Next , Select master then Next and finally 
> finish.
> 8. Download is starting and you get your local copy.
>
> ---------
> I'm up to here right now I tried
> $ant
> But I have some errors that I have to check I will post the next steps 
> as I manage to move on!
>
> Keep on!!!
>
> J!
>
>
>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: John McDonnell [mailto:mcdonnell.john@gmail.com]
> Sent: Thursday, November 30, 2017 12:18 AM
> To: dev@netbeans.incubator.apache.org
> Subject: Re: Newbie On Board!!!
>
> Ioannis,
>
> I've added a Developer Environment page to Confluence:
>
> https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/NETBEANS/Developer+Environ
> ment
>
> If you think there's something missing feel free to add to it, or 
> indeed let me know and I can add to the page.
>
>
> Regards
>
> John
>
>
>
> On 29 November 2017 at 21:41, Geertjan Wielenga < 
> geertjan.wielenga@googlemail.com> wrote:
>
> > Yes, you can use NetBeans 8.2 to edit the code in your fork.
> >
> > In the netbeans.conf file, in NetBeans 8.2 installation directory, 
> > you can point to the JDK you want to use. In your fork, that is 
> > found in nbbuild/netbeans/etc.
> >
> > Gj
> >
> > On Wed, Nov 29, 2017 at 10:38 PM, Ioannis Torounoglou 
> > <jo...@ionio.gr>
> > wrote:
> >
> > > I have already read all these!
> > >
> > > But you gave me a clue!!!
> > >
> > > I can work with my Netbeans 8.2 editing code from my git fork?
> > >
> > > When I run-test NB9 how do I set it to use JDK9 since I have them
> both???
> > >
> > > Thank you!!!
> > > J!
> > >
> > > -----Original Message-----
> > > From: Geertjan Wielenga [mailto:geertjan.wielenga@googlemail.com]
> > > Sent: Wednesday, November 29, 2017 11:26 PM
> > > To: dev@netbeans.incubator.apache.org
> > > Subject: Re: Newbie On Board!!!
> > >
> > > We do document all of these things here:
> > >
> > > https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/NETBEANS
> > >
> > > For example, you'll find this link:
> > >
> > > https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/NETBEANS/
> > > Installation+of+Apache+NetBeans
> > >
> > > The README at Apache Git also tells you to use JDK 8 (and release 
> > > of JDK
> > > 8) to build NetBeans and that you can either run the built 
> > > NetBeans on
> > top
> > > of JDK 8 or JDK 9.
> > >
> > > You run 'ant' in the clone that you get from Git, as explained in 
> > > the Apache NetBeans Git README.
> > >
> > > You can also get a ZIP from Jenkins, if you don't want to build at all:
> > > builds.apache.org/job/incubator-netbeans-linux
> > >
> > > All of the above is described at
> > > cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/NETBEANS.
> > >
> > > You can developed NetBeans in NetBeans 8.2 or the Apache NetBeans 
> > > 9
> > build,
> > > that's up to you.
> > >
> > > Gj
> > >
> > > On Wed, Nov 29, 2017 at 10:21 PM, Ioannis Torounoglou 
> > > <jo...@ionio.gr>
> > > wrote:
> > >
> > > > Ok!!!
> > > >
> > > > Let's start over! Sorry for being rude!
> > > >
> > > > I have a new Debian VM, I installed Git, I have Ant, I installed 
> > > > JDK 8 and JDK 9 from oracle.
> > > >
> > > > What to do next?
> > > >
> > > > Do you develop NB9 inside the built version or using NB 8.2?
> > > >
> > > > How do you choose which JDK to be used?
> > > >
> > > > J!
> > > >
> > > > -----Original Message-----
> > > > From: Geertjan Wielenga 
> > > > [mailto:geertjan.wielenga@googlemail.com]
> > > > Sent: Wednesday, November 29, 2017 11:13 PM
> > > > To: dev@netbeans.incubator.apache.org
> > > > Subject: Re: Newbie On Board!!!
> > > >
> > > > No, nobody is not calling you smart.
> > > >
> > > > I'm trying to help you, trying to answer your questions.
> > > >
> > > > Thanks,
> > > >
> > > > Geertjan
> > > >
> > > > On Wed, Nov 29, 2017 at 10:11 PM, Ioannis Torounoglou 
> > > > <jo...@ionio.gr>
> > > > wrote:
> > > >
> > > > > Ok maybe I'm not as smart as you!
> > > > >
> > > > > So I will leave!
> > > > >
> > > > > J!
> > > > >
> > > > > PS: I see a lot of people leaving btw! Think about it!
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > -----Original Message-----
> > > > > From: Geertjan Wielenga
> > > > > [mailto:geertjan.wielenga@googlemail.com]
> > > > > Sent: Wednesday, November 29, 2017 11:04 PM
> > > > > To: dev@netbeans.incubator.apache.org
> > > > > Subject: Re: Newbie On Board!!!
> > > > >
> > > > > That's precisely what you were told in the first e-mail -- go 
> > > > > here and read the README, it tells you exactly that:
> > > > > https://github.com/apache/incubator-netbeans
> > > > >
> > > > > You can probably also use a lot less exclamation marks.
> > > > >
> > > > > Gj
> > > > >
> > > > > On Wed, Nov 29, 2017 at 10:02 PM, Ioannis Torounoglou 
> > > > > <jo...@ionio.gr>
> > > > > wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > > I'm sorry to speak like that, because I'm not used to!!!
> > > > > >
> > > > > > But 4 people replied told me the same thing!!
> > > > > >
> > > > > > To be in this mailing list means that I have read this page!!!!
> > > > > >
> > > > > > What I need is very simple a list!!!
> > > > > >
> > > > > > 1.  you need Ant
> > > > > > 2 install JDK8
> > > > > > 3 install JDK9
> > > > > > 4 Download this
> > > > > > 5 install that!!!
> > > > > > 6 YOU ARE READY TO HELP US!!!!
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Why this is so hard for all of you to be done!!!
> > > > > >
> > > > > > J!
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > > -----Original Message-----
> > > > > > From: Geertjan Wielenga
> > > > > > [mailto:geertjan.wielenga@googlemail.com]
> > > > > > Sent: Wednesday, November 29, 2017 10:58 PM
> > > > > > To: dev@netbeans.incubator.apache.org
> > > > > > Subject: Re: Newbie On Board!!!
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Hello Ioannis,
> > > > > >
> > > > > > We don't call each other idiots here.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > NetBeans is incubating at Apache. Apache is a software
> foundation:
> > > > > > apache.org
> > > > > >
> > > > > > What you contribute to an Apache project depends on your needs.
> > > > > > What would you like NetBeans to be able to do that it 
> > > > > > currently does not do? What features would you like to work on?
> > > > > >
> > > > > > We are currently working on the Beta release of Apache 
> > > > > > NetBeans
> > > > > > (incubating) 9.0 and you're welcome to work on that too:
> > > > > >
> > > > > > https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/NETBEANS/
> > > > > > Apache+NetBeans+9.0+Beta
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Thanks,
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Geertjan
> > > > > >
> > > > > > On Wed, Nov 29, 2017 at 9:55 PM, Ioannis Torounoglou 
> > > > > > <jo...@ionio.gr>
> > > > > > wrote:
> > > > > >
> > > > > > > Why you are so idiots???
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Everybody here has read https://cwiki.apache.org/ 
> > > > > > > confluence/display/NETBEANS/How+to+Participate
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Why you keep posting that!!!
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > ?
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > -----Original Message-----
> > > > > > > From: Geertjan Wielenga
> > > > > > > [mailto:geertjan.wielenga@googlemail.com]
> > > > > > > Sent: Wednesday, November 29, 2017 10:53 PM
> > > > > > > To: dev@netbeans.incubator.apache.org
> > > > > > > Subject: Re: Newbie On Board!!!
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > We need a lot. We need whatever bugs you want to fix or 
> > > > > > > features you want to implement. What would you like to work on?
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > How to get involved:
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/NETBEANS/How+t
> > > > > > > o+
> > > > > > > Part
> > > > > > > ic
> > > > > > > ip
> > > > > > > at
> > > > > > > e
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Also, keep following the mailing list, there's tasks and 
> > > > > > > discussions all the time, right now we're working on the 
> > > > > > > Beta
> > > > release together:
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/NETBEANS/
> > > > > > > Apache+NetBeans+9.0+Beta
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Gj
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > On Wed, Nov 29, 2017 at 9:51 PM, Ioannis Torounoglou 
> > > > > > > <jo...@ionio.gr>
> > > > > > > wrote:
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > So I guess you don't need anything!!!
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > I'm out of here!!!
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > J!
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > -----Original Message-----
> > > > > > > > From: Geertjan Wielenga
> > > > > > > > [mailto:geertjan.wielenga@googlemail.com]
> > > > > > > > Sent: Wednesday, November 29, 2017 3:50 PM
> > > > > > > > To: dev@netbeans.incubator.apache.org
> > > > > > > > Subject: Re: Newbie On Board!!!
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > What would you like there to be on the Wiki page that 
> > > > > > > > isn't already
> > > > > > > there:
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/NETBEANS
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > Gj
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > On Wed, Nov 29, 2017 at 2:43 PM, Ioannis Torounoglou 
> > > > > > > > <jo...@ionio.gr>
> > > > > > > > wrote:
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > Hi Zoran,
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > This a very good idea!!!
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > I have already found a few things but I'm far away!!!
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > How can I start this wiki page?
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > >  J!
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > -----Original Message-----
> > > > > > > > > From: Zoran Sevarac [mailto:sevarac@gmail.com]
> > > > > > > > > Sent: Wednesday, November 29, 2017 10:59 AM
> > > > > > > > > To: dev@netbeans.incubator.apache.org
> > > > > > > > > Subject: Re: Newbie On Board!!!
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > Hi Ioannis,
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > The great way to contribute would be that you put 
> > > > > > > > > together a wiki page for 'Getting Started for 
> > > > > > > > > Contributors' which should include all your questions 
> > > > > > > > > as a new contributor, with all the answers you learn 
> > > > > > > > > along the
> > > > > > > > way.
> > > > > > > > > You can start by creating that page
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > Cheers
> > > > > > > > > Zoran
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > On Tue, Nov 28, 2017 at 4:18 PM, Geertjan Wielenga < 
> > > > > > > > > geertjan.wielenga@googlemail.com> wrote:
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > How to build etc is all in the README, like for all 
> > > > > > > > > > other Apache
> > > > > > > > > projects:
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > github.com/apache/incubator-netbeans
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > How to get involved:
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/NETBEANS
> > > > > > > > > > /H
> > > > > > > > > > ow+t
> > > > > > > > > > o+
> > > > > > > > > > Pa
> > > > > > > > > > rt
> > > > > > > > > > ic
> > > > > > > > > > ip
> > > > > > > > > > at
> > > > > > > > > > e
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > Also, keep following the mailing list, there's tasks 
> > > > > > > > > > and discussions all the time, right now we're 
> > > > > > > > > > working on the Beta
> > > > > > > release together:
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/NETBEANS
> > > > > > > > > > /
> > > > > > > > > > Apache+NetBeans+9.0+Beta
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > Which operating system? Any operating system -- Java 
> > > > > > > > > > is write once, run anywhere.
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > Gj
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > On Tue, Nov 28, 2017 at 4:14 PM, Ioannis Torounoglou 
> > > > > > > > > > <jo...@ionio.gr>
> > > > > > > > > > wrote:
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > Hello again!!!
> > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > Sorry to bother you all and thanks Antonio for the
> reply!
> > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > I UNDERSTAND that you are all pretty busy because 
> > > > > > > > > > > this is a huge
> > > > > > > > > project.
> > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > But if YOU want a community project you mast spend 
> > > > > > > > > > > some time to help community help you!!!
> > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > Some people should stop production and give 
> > > > > > > > > > > information to new people who want to get involved.
> > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > And because these info is not to be sent to e-mail 
> > > > > > > > > > > a WIKI page must be inserted!!!
> > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > Which Operating system should I have!
> > > > > > > > > > > Which tools CSV, Netbeans, Notepad (which versions
> > > > > > > > > > > etc.) Info how to build (If I have to build )
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> > > > > > > > > > > PLEASE HELP us to HELP you!
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> > > > > > > > > > > J!
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> > > > > > > > > > > -----Original Message-----
> > > > > > > > > > > From: Antonio [mailto:antonio@vieiro.net]
> > > > > > > > > > > Sent: Sunday, November 26, 2017 8:32 AM
> > > > > > > > > > > To: dev@netbeans.incubator.apache.org
> > > > > > > > > > > Subject: Re: Newbie On Board!!!
> > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > Welcome, Ioannis,
> > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > You may want to take a look at our wiki at
> > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > Wiki
> > > > > > > > > > > https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/pages/viewpage.
> > > > > > > > > > action?pageId=65873923
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> > > > > > > > > > > Cheers,
> > > > > > > > > > > Antonio
> > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > El 26/11/17 a las 00:02, Ioannis Torounoglou escribió:
> > > > > > > > > > > > Hello everybody!!!
> > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > I'm new here willing to help!
> > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > I don't know where to start and what to do!
> > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > Any help will be great!
> > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > J!
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> > > > > > > > > Zoran Sevarac, PhD, Assistant Professor Department of 
> > > > > > > > > Software Engineering University of Belgrade, Faculty 
> > > > > > > > > of Organisational Sciences < http://www.fon.rs> 
> > > > > > > > > Neuroph <http://neuroph.sourceforge.net/> founder
> > > > > > > > > | Java Champion
> > > > > > > > > <https://community.oracle.com/community/java/java-cham
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> > > > > > > > > | NetBeans Dream Team
> > > > > > > > > | <http://wiki.netbeans.org/NetBeansDreamTeam>
> > > > > > > > > Homepage: http://www.zoransevarac.com
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Department of Software Engineering
University of Belgrade, Faculty of Organisational Sciences <http://www.fon.rs> Neuroph <http://neuroph.sourceforge.net/> founder | Java Champion <https://community.oracle.com/community/java/java-champions> | NetBeans Dream Team <http://wiki.netbeans.org/NetBeansDreamTeam>
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