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Posted to dev@cocoon.apache.org by Andreas Hartmann <an...@apache.org> on 2004/06/29 11:30:44 UTC
Stability of serializers block?
Hi Cocoon developers,
yesterday I gave the XHTML serializer from the serializers
block a try within Lenya, and it solved an annoying problem
(IE did not recognize UTF-8 encoding).
Do you consider the serializers block as stable enough to
make them the default serializers for Lenya? Is there
something we should be aware of?
Thanks!
-- Andreas
Re: [Vote] Serializers block in Lenya 1.2.1
Posted by Michael Wechner <mi...@wyona.com>.
Andreas Hartmann wrote:
>
> Well, it is not "just" for this purpose. It fixes a bug with the
> Scheduler interface.
I know. But why not patch it within this sitemap, instead of applying it to
everything else.
> But you're right, the problems introduced
> by the switch seem to outweigh the benefits.
>
>> I think we can break stuff within 1.3 or 1.4 but not within 1.2.x
>
>
> 1.2 is released, so IMO we can break stuff temporary in 1.2.1 HEAD.
I think breaking by accident isn't a problem ... ;-)
Michi
>
>
> -- Andreas
>
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Re: [Vote] Serializers block in Lenya 1.2.1
Posted by Andreas Hartmann <an...@apache.org>.
Michael Wechner wrote:
> Andreas Hartmann wrote:
>
>> Michael Wechner wrote:
>>
>>> -1
>>>
>>> I think these serializers (at least the XML one) are seriously broken
>>> re namespaces, but I guess my vote is too late :-(
>>
>>
>>
>> Yes, I'm afraid you're right. So what can we do?
>>
>> 1) switch back to the old serializers ... :(
>
> +1
OK, +1 too. I'll keep on using the new serializers in my sandbox
and have an eye on this issue.
[...]
> generally speaking: I think it's bullshit to break stuff just that other
> people might fix it (sorry for my offending language). What if other people
> don't have time or just don't care ....
Well, it is not "just" for this purpose. It fixes a bug with the
Scheduler interface. But you're right, the problems introduced
by the switch seem to outweigh the benefits.
> I think we can break stuff within 1.3 or 1.4 but not within 1.2.x
1.2 is released, so IMO we can break stuff temporary in 1.2.1 HEAD.
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Re: [Vote] Serializers block in Lenya 1.2.1
Posted by Michael Wechner <mi...@wyona.com>.
Andreas Hartmann wrote:
> Michael Wechner wrote:
>
>> -1
>>
>> I think these serializers (at least the XML one) are seriously broken
>> re namespaces, but I guess my vote is too late :-(
>
>
> Yes, I'm afraid you're right. So what can we do?
>
> 1) switch back to the old serializers ... :(
+1
>
> 2) wait for fixes / help fixing them and wait for Cocoon 2.1.6
> to release Lenya 1.2.1
well, this might take some while :-(
>
> 3) wait for fixes / help fixing them and include the patched
> classes in Lenya 1.2.1
patching is certainly better than just waiting, but who has the time?
>
> WDYT?
generally speaking: I think it's bullshit to break stuff just that other
people might fix it (sorry for my offending language). What if other people
don't have time or just don't care ....
I think we can break stuff within 1.3 or 1.4 but not within 1.2.x
We need to be aware that other people publications depend on these
versions and I think it's very bad for the community in the end if we
just do these kind of things.
Michi
> -- Andreas
>
>>
>> Michi
>>
>>
>>
>> Andreas Hartmann wrote:
>>
>>> Hi Lenya developers,
>>>
>>> I propose to use the serializers from the Cocoon serializers
>>> block in the current 1.2.1 HEAD.
>>>
>>> Reason: Using this serializer, IE recognizes UTF-8 encoding,
>>> which enables us to switch to UTF-8.
>>>
>>> Further reading:
>>>
>>> http://www.intertwingly.net/blog/1761.html
>>> http://nagoya.apache.org/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=26997
>>>
>>> Here's my
>>>
>>> +1
>>>
>>> -- Andreas
>>>
>>> Andreas Hartmann wrote:
>>>
>>>> Torsten Curdt wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Andreas Hartmann wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> Hi Cocoon developers,
>>>>>>
>>>>>> yesterday I gave the XHTML serializer from the serializers
>>>>>> block a try within Lenya, and it solved an annoying problem
>>>>>> (IE did not recognize UTF-8 encoding).
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Do you consider the serializers block as stable enough to
>>>>>> make them the default serializers for Lenya? Is there
>>>>>> something we should be aware of?
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> I've run into some namespace issues but haven't had the
>>>>> time to track them down. But if it works for Lenya - go
>>>>> for it. We can track them down if you run into problems.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> OK, I think this is a good approach.
>>>>
>>>> Thank you!
>>>>
>>>> -- Andreas
>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>>
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>>
>>
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Re: [Vote] Serializers block in Lenya 1.2.1
Posted by Thorsten Scherler <th...@juntadeandalucia.es>.
Andreas Hartmann wrote:
> Michael Wechner wrote:
>
>> -1
>>
>> I think these serializers (at least the XML one) are seriously broken
>> re namespaces, but I guess my vote is too late :-(
>
>
> Yes, I'm afraid you're right. So what can we do?
>
> 1) switch back to the old serializers ... :(
>
> 2) wait for fixes / help fixing them and wait for Cocoon 2.1.6
> to release Lenya 1.2.1
>
> 3) wait for fixes / help fixing them and include the patched
> classes in Lenya 1.2.1
>
> WDYT?
>
> -- Andreas
>
Generally speaking *helping* to fix something *should* be prefered than
just switching back!
In this case I am like Michi +1 to switch back.
...but maybe we should help out so that we can use it in the future!
my 0.02€
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Re: [Vote] Serializers block in Lenya 1.2.1
Posted by Andreas Hartmann <an...@apache.org>.
Michael Wechner wrote:
> -1
>
> I think these serializers (at least the XML one) are seriously broken
> re namespaces, but I guess my vote is too late :-(
Yes, I'm afraid you're right. So what can we do?
1) switch back to the old serializers ... :(
2) wait for fixes / help fixing them and wait for Cocoon 2.1.6
to release Lenya 1.2.1
3) wait for fixes / help fixing them and include the patched
classes in Lenya 1.2.1
WDYT?
-- Andreas
>
> Michi
>
>
>
> Andreas Hartmann wrote:
>
>> Hi Lenya developers,
>>
>> I propose to use the serializers from the Cocoon serializers
>> block in the current 1.2.1 HEAD.
>>
>> Reason: Using this serializer, IE recognizes UTF-8 encoding,
>> which enables us to switch to UTF-8.
>>
>> Further reading:
>>
>> http://www.intertwingly.net/blog/1761.html
>> http://nagoya.apache.org/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=26997
>>
>> Here's my
>>
>> +1
>>
>> -- Andreas
>>
>> Andreas Hartmann wrote:
>>
>>> Torsten Curdt wrote:
>>>
>>>> Andreas Hartmann wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Hi Cocoon developers,
>>>>>
>>>>> yesterday I gave the XHTML serializer from the serializers
>>>>> block a try within Lenya, and it solved an annoying problem
>>>>> (IE did not recognize UTF-8 encoding).
>>>>>
>>>>> Do you consider the serializers block as stable enough to
>>>>> make them the default serializers for Lenya? Is there
>>>>> something we should be aware of?
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> I've run into some namespace issues but haven't had the
>>>> time to track them down. But if it works for Lenya - go
>>>> for it. We can track them down if you run into problems.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> OK, I think this is a good approach.
>>>
>>> Thank you!
>>>
>>> -- Andreas
>>>
>>>
>>
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Re: [Vote] Serializers block in Lenya 1.2.1
Posted by Michael Wechner <mi...@wyona.com>.
-1
I think these serializers (at least the XML one) are seriously broken
re namespaces, but I guess my vote is too late :-(
Michi
Andreas Hartmann wrote:
> Hi Lenya developers,
>
> I propose to use the serializers from the Cocoon serializers
> block in the current 1.2.1 HEAD.
>
> Reason: Using this serializer, IE recognizes UTF-8 encoding,
> which enables us to switch to UTF-8.
>
> Further reading:
>
> http://www.intertwingly.net/blog/1761.html
> http://nagoya.apache.org/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=26997
>
> Here's my
>
> +1
>
> -- Andreas
>
> Andreas Hartmann wrote:
>
>> Torsten Curdt wrote:
>>
>>> Andreas Hartmann wrote:
>>>
>>>> Hi Cocoon developers,
>>>>
>>>> yesterday I gave the XHTML serializer from the serializers
>>>> block a try within Lenya, and it solved an annoying problem
>>>> (IE did not recognize UTF-8 encoding).
>>>>
>>>> Do you consider the serializers block as stable enough to
>>>> make them the default serializers for Lenya? Is there
>>>> something we should be aware of?
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> I've run into some namespace issues but haven't had the
>>> time to track them down. But if it works for Lenya - go
>>> for it. We can track them down if you run into problems.
>>
>>
>>
>> OK, I think this is a good approach.
>>
>> Thank you!
>>
>> -- Andreas
>>
>>
>
>
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Re: [Vote] Serializers block in Lenya 1.2.1
Posted by Dale Christ <gr...@gmail.com>.
+1
On Tue, 29 Jun 2004 15:11:56 +0200, Gregor J. Rothfuss
<gr...@apache.org> wrote:
>
> Andreas Hartmann wrote:
> > Hi Lenya developers,
> >
> > I propose to use the serializers from the Cocoon serializers
> > block in the current 1.2.1 HEAD.
> >
> > Reason: Using this serializer, IE recognizes UTF-8 encoding,
> > which enables us to switch to UTF-8.
> >
> > Further reading:
> >
> > http://www.intertwingly.net/blog/1761.html
> > http://nagoya.apache.org/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=26997
>
> +1
>
> --
> Gregor J. Rothfuss
> Wyona Inc. - Open Source Content Management - Apache Lenya
> http://wyona.com http://cocoon.apache.org/lenya
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>
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Re: [Vote] Serializers block in Lenya 1.2.1
Posted by "Gregor J. Rothfuss" <gr...@apache.org>.
Andreas Hartmann wrote:
> Hi Lenya developers,
>
> I propose to use the serializers from the Cocoon serializers
> block in the current 1.2.1 HEAD.
>
> Reason: Using this serializer, IE recognizes UTF-8 encoding,
> which enables us to switch to UTF-8.
>
> Further reading:
>
> http://www.intertwingly.net/blog/1761.html
> http://nagoya.apache.org/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=26997
+1
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Re: [Vote] Serializers block in Lenya 1.2.1
Posted by "Gregor J. Rothfuss" <gr...@apache.org>.
Andreas Hartmann wrote:
>> Do you mean we should switch to utf-8 for 1.2.1 ?
>
>
> I think that would make our lives a lot easier.
> But IIRC the forms editor has some trouble with UTF-8 ... ?
i'll happily dance on the grave of iso 8859-1 when we switch, but it
will be a lot of work. this serializer allows us to attempt the move
when we could not before :)
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Re: [Vote] Serializers block in Lenya 1.2.1
Posted by Andreas Hartmann <an...@apache.org>.
Rolf Kulemann wrote:
> On Tue, 2004-06-29 at 14:42, Andreas Hartmann wrote:
>
>>Hi Lenya developers,
>>
>>I propose to use the serializers from the Cocoon serializers
>>block in the current 1.2.1 HEAD.
>>
>>Reason: Using this serializer, IE recognizes UTF-8 encoding,
>> which enables us to switch to UTF-8.
>
>
> Do you mean we should switch to utf-8 for 1.2.1 ?
I think that would make our lives a lot easier.
But IIRC the forms editor has some trouble with UTF-8 ... ?
> To be honest, I have not yet tried this magic serializer, but if it
> makes trouble it should be easy to switch back to what we use now (no
> utf8 etc.)
Or have the Cocooners fix the bugs :)
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Re: [Vote] Serializers block in Lenya 1.2.1
Posted by Rolf Kulemann <ro...@apache.org>.
On Tue, 2004-06-29 at 14:42, Andreas Hartmann wrote:
> Hi Lenya developers,
>
> I propose to use the serializers from the Cocoon serializers
> block in the current 1.2.1 HEAD.
>
> Reason: Using this serializer, IE recognizes UTF-8 encoding,
> which enables us to switch to UTF-8.
Do you mean we should switch to utf-8 for 1.2.1 ?
To be honest, I have not yet tried this magic serializer, but if it
makes trouble it should be easy to switch back to what we use now (no
utf8 etc.)
+1
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[Vote] Serializers block in Lenya 1.2.1
Posted by Andreas Hartmann <an...@apache.org>.
Hi Lenya developers,
I propose to use the serializers from the Cocoon serializers
block in the current 1.2.1 HEAD.
Reason: Using this serializer, IE recognizes UTF-8 encoding,
which enables us to switch to UTF-8.
Further reading:
http://www.intertwingly.net/blog/1761.html
http://nagoya.apache.org/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=26997
Here's my
+1
-- Andreas
Andreas Hartmann wrote:
> Torsten Curdt wrote:
>
>> Andreas Hartmann wrote:
>>
>>> Hi Cocoon developers,
>>>
>>> yesterday I gave the XHTML serializer from the serializers
>>> block a try within Lenya, and it solved an annoying problem
>>> (IE did not recognize UTF-8 encoding).
>>>
>>> Do you consider the serializers block as stable enough to
>>> make them the default serializers for Lenya? Is there
>>> something we should be aware of?
>>
>>
>>
>> I've run into some namespace issues but haven't had the
>> time to track them down. But if it works for Lenya - go
>> for it. We can track them down if you run into problems.
>
>
> OK, I think this is a good approach.
>
> Thank you!
>
> -- Andreas
>
>
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Re: Stability of serializers block?
Posted by Andreas Hartmann <an...@apache.org>.
Torsten Curdt wrote:
> Andreas Hartmann wrote:
>
>> Hi Cocoon developers,
>>
>> yesterday I gave the XHTML serializer from the serializers
>> block a try within Lenya, and it solved an annoying problem
>> (IE did not recognize UTF-8 encoding).
>>
>> Do you consider the serializers block as stable enough to
>> make them the default serializers for Lenya? Is there
>> something we should be aware of?
>
>
> I've run into some namespace issues but haven't had the
> time to track them down. But if it works for Lenya - go
> for it. We can track them down if you run into problems.
OK, I think this is a good approach.
Thank you!
-- Andreas
Re: Stability of serializers block?
Posted by Torsten Curdt <tc...@vafer.org>.
Andreas Hartmann wrote:
> Hi Cocoon developers,
>
> yesterday I gave the XHTML serializer from the serializers
> block a try within Lenya, and it solved an annoying problem
> (IE did not recognize UTF-8 encoding).
>
> Do you consider the serializers block as stable enough to
> make them the default serializers for Lenya? Is there
> something we should be aware of?
I've run into some namespace issues but haven't had the
time to track them down. But if it works for Lenya - go
for it. We can track them down if you run into problems.
cheers
--
Torsten