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Posted to general@incubator.apache.org by Andrew Bayer <an...@gmail.com> on 2015/10/12 13:18:24 UTC
A suggestion: podling post-mortems
I'd like to make a suggestion - after a podling graduates or is terminated,
the podling's mentors should be responsible for putting together a post
mortem report, or an exit interview, or whatever you want to call it. This
would cover the pain points in onboarding the podling, particular issues
hit during incubation, what made the podling easier or harder to get to
graduation, and ideally a self assessment of what the mentors think they
could have done better.
I think this would be very valuable - it'd help shine a light on
inefficiencies in getting into the ASF's infrastructure, show things to
watch for/discuss in podling cultural integration, and provide more
information and self-support for future mentors.
Thoughts?
A.
Re: A suggestion: podling post-mortems
Posted by Rich Bowen <rb...@rcbowen.com>.
On 10/12/2015 11:55 AM, Pierre Smits wrote:
> Since when is the incubation process a race that must be completed in the
> least amount of time? If it is, it would surely validate (for some) cutting
> corners and push-through actions (and associated tactics). Is that what the
> ASF wants or needs?
Help us understand how you jumped from this email thread to that
conclusion, because I'm not seeing it.
--Rich
>
> Best regards,
>
> Pierre Smits
>
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> On Mon, Oct 12, 2015 at 5:39 PM, Sam Ruby <ru...@intertwingly.net> wrote:
>
>> On Mon, Oct 12, 2015 at 11:14 AM, Bertrand Delacretaz
>> <bd...@apache.org> wrote:
>>> On Mon, Oct 12, 2015 at 5:10 PM, Rich Bowen <rb...@rcbowen.com> wrote:
>>>> ...<Director>It would be very welcome to have this attached to a
>> graduation
>>>> resolution, so that we could have some background beyond just a
>> boilerplate
>>>> "time to graduate" message....
>>>
>>> I agree, and IMO our maturity model [1] would provide a good framework
>>> for such a report.
>>
>> +1 to both of the above.
>>
>>> -Bertrand
>>>
>>> [1]
>> https://community.apache.org/apache-way/apache-project-maturity-model.html
>>
>> - Sam Ruby
>>
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Re: A suggestion: podling post-mortems
Posted by Pierre Smits <pi...@gmail.com>.
Thanks Greg,
That clarifies a lot.
Best regards,
Pierre
Op dinsdag 13 oktober 2015 heeft Greg Stein <gs...@gmail.com> het volgende
geschreven:
> Pierre: by "time to graduate", Rich meant "ready to graduate". Not the
> amount of time from entry until graduation.
>
> On Mon, Oct 12, 2015 at 10:55 AM, Pierre Smits <pierre.smits@gmail.com
> <javascript:;>>
> wrote:
>
> > Since when is the incubation process a race that must be completed in the
> > least amount of time? If it is, it would surely validate (for some)
> cutting
> > corners and push-through actions (and associated tactics). Is that what
> the
> > ASF wants or needs?
> >
> > Best regards,
> >
> > Pierre Smits
> >
> > *OFBiz Extensions Marketplace*
> > http://oem.ofbizci.net/oci-2/
> >
> > On Mon, Oct 12, 2015 at 5:39 PM, Sam Ruby <rubys@intertwingly.net
> <javascript:;>> wrote:
> >
> > > On Mon, Oct 12, 2015 at 11:14 AM, Bertrand Delacretaz
> > > <bdelacretaz@apache.org <javascript:;>> wrote:
> > > > On Mon, Oct 12, 2015 at 5:10 PM, Rich Bowen <rbowen@rcbowen.com
> <javascript:;>>
> > wrote:
> > > >> ...<Director>It would be very welcome to have this attached to a
> > > graduation
> > > >> resolution, so that we could have some background beyond just a
> > > boilerplate
> > > >> "time to graduate" message....
> > > >
> > > > I agree, and IMO our maturity model [1] would provide a good
> framework
> > > > for such a report.
> > >
> > > +1 to both of the above.
> > >
> > > > -Bertrand
> > > >
> > > > [1]
> > >
> >
> https://community.apache.org/apache-way/apache-project-maturity-model.html
> > >
> > > - Sam Ruby
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Re: A suggestion: podling post-mortems
Posted by Greg Stein <gs...@gmail.com>.
Pierre: by "time to graduate", Rich meant "ready to graduate". Not the
amount of time from entry until graduation.
On Mon, Oct 12, 2015 at 10:55 AM, Pierre Smits <pi...@gmail.com>
wrote:
> Since when is the incubation process a race that must be completed in the
> least amount of time? If it is, it would surely validate (for some) cutting
> corners and push-through actions (and associated tactics). Is that what the
> ASF wants or needs?
>
> Best regards,
>
> Pierre Smits
>
> *OFBiz Extensions Marketplace*
> http://oem.ofbizci.net/oci-2/
>
> On Mon, Oct 12, 2015 at 5:39 PM, Sam Ruby <ru...@intertwingly.net> wrote:
>
> > On Mon, Oct 12, 2015 at 11:14 AM, Bertrand Delacretaz
> > <bd...@apache.org> wrote:
> > > On Mon, Oct 12, 2015 at 5:10 PM, Rich Bowen <rb...@rcbowen.com>
> wrote:
> > >> ...<Director>It would be very welcome to have this attached to a
> > graduation
> > >> resolution, so that we could have some background beyond just a
> > boilerplate
> > >> "time to graduate" message....
> > >
> > > I agree, and IMO our maturity model [1] would provide a good framework
> > > for such a report.
> >
> > +1 to both of the above.
> >
> > > -Bertrand
> > >
> > > [1]
> >
> https://community.apache.org/apache-way/apache-project-maturity-model.html
> >
> > - Sam Ruby
> >
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> >
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Re: A suggestion: podling post-mortems
Posted by Pierre Smits <pi...@gmail.com>.
Since when is the incubation process a race that must be completed in the
least amount of time? If it is, it would surely validate (for some) cutting
corners and push-through actions (and associated tactics). Is that what the
ASF wants or needs?
Best regards,
Pierre Smits
*OFBiz Extensions Marketplace*
http://oem.ofbizci.net/oci-2/
On Mon, Oct 12, 2015 at 5:39 PM, Sam Ruby <ru...@intertwingly.net> wrote:
> On Mon, Oct 12, 2015 at 11:14 AM, Bertrand Delacretaz
> <bd...@apache.org> wrote:
> > On Mon, Oct 12, 2015 at 5:10 PM, Rich Bowen <rb...@rcbowen.com> wrote:
> >> ...<Director>It would be very welcome to have this attached to a
> graduation
> >> resolution, so that we could have some background beyond just a
> boilerplate
> >> "time to graduate" message....
> >
> > I agree, and IMO our maturity model [1] would provide a good framework
> > for such a report.
>
> +1 to both of the above.
>
> > -Bertrand
> >
> > [1]
> https://community.apache.org/apache-way/apache-project-maturity-model.html
>
> - Sam Ruby
>
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Re: A suggestion: podling post-mortems
Posted by Sam Ruby <ru...@intertwingly.net>.
On Mon, Oct 12, 2015 at 11:14 AM, Bertrand Delacretaz
<bd...@apache.org> wrote:
> On Mon, Oct 12, 2015 at 5:10 PM, Rich Bowen <rb...@rcbowen.com> wrote:
>> ...<Director>It would be very welcome to have this attached to a graduation
>> resolution, so that we could have some background beyond just a boilerplate
>> "time to graduate" message....
>
> I agree, and IMO our maturity model [1] would provide a good framework
> for such a report.
+1 to both of the above.
> -Bertrand
>
> [1] https://community.apache.org/apache-way/apache-project-maturity-model.html
- Sam Ruby
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Re: A suggestion: podling post-mortems
Posted by Bertrand Delacretaz <bd...@apache.org>.
On Mon, Oct 12, 2015 at 5:10 PM, Rich Bowen <rb...@rcbowen.com> wrote:
> ...<Director>It would be very welcome to have this attached to a graduation
> resolution, so that we could have some background beyond just a boilerplate
> "time to graduate" message....
I agree, and IMO our maturity model [1] would provide a good framework
for such a report.
-Bertrand
[1] https://community.apache.org/apache-way/apache-project-maturity-model.html
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Re: A suggestion: podling post-mortems
Posted by Rich Bowen <rb...@rcbowen.com>.
On 10/12/2015 10:49 AM, Bertrand Delacretaz wrote:
> Hi,
>
> On Mon, Oct 12, 2015 at 1:18 PM, Andrew Bayer <an...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> ...I'd like to make a suggestion - after a podling graduates or is terminated,
>> the podling's mentors should be responsible for putting together a post
>> mortem report, or an exit interview, or whatever you want to call it...
>
> I like the idea, not sure how that would look but I'd welcome an
> experiment at least.
<Director>It would be very welcome to have this attached to a graduation
resolution, so that we could have some background beyond just a
boilerplate "time to graduate" message. That may delay the actual time
to graduate, but would allow us to be more than a rubber stamp, but
actually offer some oversight.</Director>
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Re: A suggestion: podling post-mortems
Posted by Bertrand Delacretaz <bd...@apache.org>.
Hi,
On Mon, Oct 12, 2015 at 1:18 PM, Andrew Bayer <an...@gmail.com> wrote:
> ...I'd like to make a suggestion - after a podling graduates or is terminated,
> the podling's mentors should be responsible for putting together a post
> mortem report, or an exit interview, or whatever you want to call it...
I like the idea, not sure how that would look but I'd welcome an
experiment at least.
-Bertrand
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Re: A suggestion: podling post-mortems
Posted by Tommaso Teofili <to...@gmail.com>.
I like this idea, +1.
Tommaso
2015-10-12 13:18 GMT+02:00 Andrew Bayer <an...@gmail.com>:
> I'd like to make a suggestion - after a podling graduates or is terminated,
> the podling's mentors should be responsible for putting together a post
> mortem report, or an exit interview, or whatever you want to call it. This
> would cover the pain points in onboarding the podling, particular issues
> hit during incubation, what made the podling easier or harder to get to
> graduation, and ideally a self assessment of what the mentors think they
> could have done better.
>
> I think this would be very valuable - it'd help shine a light on
> inefficiencies in getting into the ASF's infrastructure, show things to
> watch for/discuss in podling cultural integration, and provide more
> information and self-support for future mentors.
>
> Thoughts?
>
> A.
>