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GPL Code in GitHub

Question: I know I've seen this discussed here before, and in any case, you guys are the best source for an answer:

Can we have GPL code in a repository as long as that is not distributed with the product in a 'official' release?

Thanks a lot,

Julian




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Re: GPL Code in GitHub

Posted by Stian Soiland-Reyes <st...@apache.org>.
There's not strictly a legal problem with the GPL-using code to be in
Apache's source code repository (and itself be under the Apache
license) - but due to the 'viral' nature of GPL, any compiled products
become GPL as well.

For LGPL dependencies this is less of a worry - but still LGPL comes
with the requirement that you have to be able to replace the LGPL bit
with your own version - which of course is easy enough when you can
move around a JAR in a folder - but not so easy if the Apache-licensed
code has been inserted into a DVD player.

Several projects [1] do use GPL/LGPL dependencies, but solely for test
and build - which is kind-of OK (although [2] has not been updated yet
to explain test dependencies).


The danger is that that compiled code makes it into an Apache binary
release (say by a new committer in two years time) - or that a
consumer downloads the Apache source code, compiles it, and then
distributes the binaries without knowing the the GPL implications of
that.

So to play safe - simply keep it outside the Apache code base at all.



[1] https://mail-archives.apache.org/mod_mbox/www-legal-discuss/201501.mbox/%3C54AB9926.4080902@apache.org%3E
[2] https://www.apache.org/legal/resolved.html#build-tools

On 4 March 2015 at 15:22, Julian Tenney <Ju...@nottingham.ac.uk> wrote:
> We have two things that are GPL: one is optional, I don't have any problem with that. I'm trying to get a bit more understanding of the other one!
>
> But the point is taken: if that component is needed to make a certain function work, and that function is considered a central part of the software (a feature as it were), then there is a problem.
>
> So it follows that any GPL based stuff must be optional, bringing additional functionality.
>
> I know the developer is going to ask why can't it live in the repository. But first I'll find out if it is a feature or an option.
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Jean-Baptiste Onofré [mailto:jb@nanthrax.net]
> Sent: 04 March 2015 15:17
> To: general@incubator.apache.org
> Subject: Re: GPL Code in GitHub
>
> Exactly, that's why I asked ;)
>
> Just to be sure, else it's an issue IMHO.
>
> Regards
> JB
>
> On 03/04/2015 04:14 PM, Benson Margulies wrote:
>> An Apache project may not manage a codebase outside of Apache. Some
>> people who happen to be members of an Apache community can maintain
>> code outside of Apache, if they are very clear in distinguishing; it
>> must not be a product of the project. See 'Apache Extras'.
>>
>> On Wed, Mar 4, 2015 at 8:46 AM, Jean-Baptiste Onofré <jb...@nanthrax.net>
>> wrote:
>>
>>> Hi Julian,
>>>
>>> the code is not included in the project (just a reference) ?
>>>
>>> Regards
>>> JB
>>>
>>>
>>> On 03/04/2015 02:44 PM, Julian Tenney wrote:
>>>
>>>> Question: I know I've seen this discussed here before, and in any
>>>> case, you guys are the best source for an answer:
>>>>
>>>> Can we have GPL code in a repository as long as that is not
>>>> distributed with the product in a 'official' release?
>>>>
>>>> Thanks a lot,
>>>>
>>>> Julian
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
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RE: GPL Code in GitHub

Posted by Julian Tenney <Ju...@nottingham.ac.uk>.
OK, we are Xerte Project, we make multimedia authoring tools for educators - it's a successful project. Last year we decided we wanted to transition stewardship of the software from University of Nottingham, where I work, to a foundation. We are working through the incubation process at the Apereo Foundation. We considered Apache as well, but Apereo is a better fit for our community as it is based in and around Higher Education. Apereo basically takes it steer from Apache though. I continue to lurk here as I think it is a really good source of best practice for us. I had some conversation with Marvin about it about a year ago. Despite not ending up as an Apache project, I consider Apache the source of 'the way', and have tried to take as much as possible from that. It's been really useful: this is a much bigger community than the Apereo one.

Our software is basically php / javascript. This particular thing is saml, which one of the developers has used to add in some functionlity to make the software work in some slightly different contexts to the usual ones, specifically I think, to allow single sign on from other systems.

Thanks again.
________________________________________
From: Stian Soiland-Reyes [stain@apache.org]
Sent: 04 March 2015 17:26
To: general@incubator.apache.org
Subject: RE: GPL Code in GitHub

In *github* you should not be worried about GPL code. In git.apache.org you
should. (Apache's git repos are mirrored back again to github.com/apache
but that is another matter)

Apologies for not knowing your context..

If you are staging the github repos to move them into Apache, then I would
remove any GPL-using code first to new repos, or (less disruptive) set up
intermediate forks that you clean up and then stage to git.apache.

Just to check: You don't have any code/binary that is GPL *in your git
repository* which you don't have the right to relicense to Apache (under
the Software Grant), right?  That could complicate things slightly.
 On 4 Mar 2015 16:37, "Julian Tenney" <Ju...@nottingham.ac.uk>
wrote:

> Thanks to everyone for their contributions. The key uncertainty is whether
> GPL code in the github is problematic, and the answer is 'yes'.
>
> I wrote the following back to our own lists:
> "The whole reason to do Apache license is to make it super-crystal clear
> that this code is absolutely fine for whatever re-use you want to make of
> it, and GPL is definitely not even the merest inkling of a problem for you.
> That would be undermined if we had a repo with GPL code in it."
>
> Cheers.
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Stian Soiland-Reyes [mailto:stain@apache.org]
> Sent: 04 March 2015 15:45
> To: general@incubator.apache.org
> Subject: Re: GPL Code in GitHub
>
> Releases explained here:
>
> https://www.apache.org/dev/release.html
>
> Basically putting into git/svn is not a release - but as anyone
> (practically any committer) can propose a release candidate for voting
> based on the code in the source code repository, it should still be code
> that is distributable under the Apache License.
>
>
> On 4 March 2015 at 15:29, Julian Tenney <Ju...@nottingham.ac.uk>
> wrote:
> >> The following should help the developer understand why we can't accept
> GPL code in Apache projects:
> >
> > The question is more about when does 'distribution' happen? When you put
> something in your github? Or when you make a release and the files
> associated with that release?
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Matt Franklin [mailto:m.ben.franklin@gmail.com]
> > Sent: 04 March 2015 15:26
> > To: general@incubator.apache.org
> > Subject: Re: GPL Code in GitHub
> >
> > On Wed, Mar 4, 2015 at 10:23 AM Julian Tenney <
> Julian.Tenney@nottingham.ac.uk> wrote:
> >
> >> We have two things that are GPL: one is optional, I don't have any
> >> problem with that. I'm trying to get a bit more understanding of the
> other one!
> >>
> >> But the point is taken: if that component is needed to make a certain
> >> function work, and that function is considered a central part of the
> >> software (a feature as it were), then there is a problem.
> >>
> >> So it follows that any GPL based stuff must be optional, bringing
> >> additional functionality.
> >>
> >> I know the developer is going to ask why can't it live in the
> repository.
> >> But first I'll find out if it is a feature or an option.
> >>
> >
> > The following should help the developer understand why we can't accept
> GPL code in Apache projects:
> >
> > http://www.apache.org/licenses/GPL-compatibility.html
> > http://www.apache.org/legal/resolved.html
> >
> >
> >>
> >> -----Original Message-----
> >> From: Jean-Baptiste Onofré [mailto:jb@nanthrax.net]
> >> Sent: 04 March 2015 15:17
> >> To: general@incubator.apache.org
> >> Subject: Re: GPL Code in GitHub
> >>
> >> Exactly, that's why I asked ;)
> >>
> >> Just to be sure, else it's an issue IMHO.
> >>
> >> Regards
> >> JB
> >>
> >> On 03/04/2015 04:14 PM, Benson Margulies wrote:
> >> > An Apache project may not manage a codebase outside of Apache. Some
> >> > people who happen to be members of an Apache community can maintain
> >> > code outside of Apache, if they are very clear in distinguishing;
> >> > it must not be a product of the project. See 'Apache Extras'.
> >> >
> >> > On Wed, Mar 4, 2015 at 8:46 AM, Jean-Baptiste Onofré
> >> > <jb...@nanthrax.net>
> >> > wrote:
> >> >
> >> >> Hi Julian,
> >> >>
> >> >> the code is not included in the project (just a reference) ?
> >> >>
> >> >> Regards
> >> >> JB
> >> >>
> >> >>
> >> >> On 03/04/2015 02:44 PM, Julian Tenney wrote:
> >> >>
> >> >>> Question: I know I've seen this discussed here before, and in any
> >> >>> case, you guys are the best source for an answer:
> >> >>>
> >> >>> Can we have GPL code in a repository as long as that is not
> >> >>> distributed with the product in a 'official' release?
> >> >>>
> >> >>> Thanks a lot,
> >> >>>
> >> >>> Julian
> >> >>>
> >> >>>
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RE: GPL Code in GitHub

Posted by Stian Soiland-Reyes <st...@apache.org>.
In *github* you should not be worried about GPL code. In git.apache.org you
should. (Apache's git repos are mirrored back again to github.com/apache
but that is another matter)

Apologies for not knowing your context..

If you are staging the github repos to move them into Apache, then I would
remove any GPL-using code first to new repos, or (less disruptive) set up
intermediate forks that you clean up and then stage to git.apache.

Just to check: You don't have any code/binary that is GPL *in your git
repository* which you don't have the right to relicense to Apache (under
the Software Grant), right?  That could complicate things slightly.
 On 4 Mar 2015 16:37, "Julian Tenney" <Ju...@nottingham.ac.uk>
wrote:

> Thanks to everyone for their contributions. The key uncertainty is whether
> GPL code in the github is problematic, and the answer is 'yes'.
>
> I wrote the following back to our own lists:
> "The whole reason to do Apache license is to make it super-crystal clear
> that this code is absolutely fine for whatever re-use you want to make of
> it, and GPL is definitely not even the merest inkling of a problem for you.
> That would be undermined if we had a repo with GPL code in it."
>
> Cheers.
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Stian Soiland-Reyes [mailto:stain@apache.org]
> Sent: 04 March 2015 15:45
> To: general@incubator.apache.org
> Subject: Re: GPL Code in GitHub
>
> Releases explained here:
>
> https://www.apache.org/dev/release.html
>
> Basically putting into git/svn is not a release - but as anyone
> (practically any committer) can propose a release candidate for voting
> based on the code in the source code repository, it should still be code
> that is distributable under the Apache License.
>
>
> On 4 March 2015 at 15:29, Julian Tenney <Ju...@nottingham.ac.uk>
> wrote:
> >> The following should help the developer understand why we can't accept
> GPL code in Apache projects:
> >
> > The question is more about when does 'distribution' happen? When you put
> something in your github? Or when you make a release and the files
> associated with that release?
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Matt Franklin [mailto:m.ben.franklin@gmail.com]
> > Sent: 04 March 2015 15:26
> > To: general@incubator.apache.org
> > Subject: Re: GPL Code in GitHub
> >
> > On Wed, Mar 4, 2015 at 10:23 AM Julian Tenney <
> Julian.Tenney@nottingham.ac.uk> wrote:
> >
> >> We have two things that are GPL: one is optional, I don't have any
> >> problem with that. I'm trying to get a bit more understanding of the
> other one!
> >>
> >> But the point is taken: if that component is needed to make a certain
> >> function work, and that function is considered a central part of the
> >> software (a feature as it were), then there is a problem.
> >>
> >> So it follows that any GPL based stuff must be optional, bringing
> >> additional functionality.
> >>
> >> I know the developer is going to ask why can't it live in the
> repository.
> >> But first I'll find out if it is a feature or an option.
> >>
> >
> > The following should help the developer understand why we can't accept
> GPL code in Apache projects:
> >
> > http://www.apache.org/licenses/GPL-compatibility.html
> > http://www.apache.org/legal/resolved.html
> >
> >
> >>
> >> -----Original Message-----
> >> From: Jean-Baptiste Onofré [mailto:jb@nanthrax.net]
> >> Sent: 04 March 2015 15:17
> >> To: general@incubator.apache.org
> >> Subject: Re: GPL Code in GitHub
> >>
> >> Exactly, that's why I asked ;)
> >>
> >> Just to be sure, else it's an issue IMHO.
> >>
> >> Regards
> >> JB
> >>
> >> On 03/04/2015 04:14 PM, Benson Margulies wrote:
> >> > An Apache project may not manage a codebase outside of Apache. Some
> >> > people who happen to be members of an Apache community can maintain
> >> > code outside of Apache, if they are very clear in distinguishing;
> >> > it must not be a product of the project. See 'Apache Extras'.
> >> >
> >> > On Wed, Mar 4, 2015 at 8:46 AM, Jean-Baptiste Onofré
> >> > <jb...@nanthrax.net>
> >> > wrote:
> >> >
> >> >> Hi Julian,
> >> >>
> >> >> the code is not included in the project (just a reference) ?
> >> >>
> >> >> Regards
> >> >> JB
> >> >>
> >> >>
> >> >> On 03/04/2015 02:44 PM, Julian Tenney wrote:
> >> >>
> >> >>> Question: I know I've seen this discussed here before, and in any
> >> >>> case, you guys are the best source for an answer:
> >> >>>
> >> >>> Can we have GPL code in a repository as long as that is not
> >> >>> distributed with the product in a 'official' release?
> >> >>>
> >> >>> Thanks a lot,
> >> >>>
> >> >>> Julian
> >> >>>
> >> >>>
> >> >>>
> >> >>>
> >> >>> This message and any attachment are intended solely for the
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RE: GPL Code in GitHub

Posted by Julian Tenney <Ju...@nottingham.ac.uk>.
Thanks to everyone for their contributions. The key uncertainty is whether GPL code in the github is problematic, and the answer is 'yes'. 

I wrote the following back to our own lists:  
"The whole reason to do Apache license is to make it super-crystal clear that this code is absolutely fine for whatever re-use you want to make of it, and GPL is definitely not even the merest inkling of a problem for you. That would be undermined if we had a repo with GPL code in it."

Cheers.

-----Original Message-----
From: Stian Soiland-Reyes [mailto:stain@apache.org] 
Sent: 04 March 2015 15:45
To: general@incubator.apache.org
Subject: Re: GPL Code in GitHub

Releases explained here:

https://www.apache.org/dev/release.html

Basically putting into git/svn is not a release - but as anyone (practically any committer) can propose a release candidate for voting based on the code in the source code repository, it should still be code that is distributable under the Apache License.


On 4 March 2015 at 15:29, Julian Tenney <Ju...@nottingham.ac.uk> wrote:
>> The following should help the developer understand why we can't accept GPL code in Apache projects:
>
> The question is more about when does 'distribution' happen? When you put something in your github? Or when you make a release and the files associated with that release?
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Matt Franklin [mailto:m.ben.franklin@gmail.com]
> Sent: 04 March 2015 15:26
> To: general@incubator.apache.org
> Subject: Re: GPL Code in GitHub
>
> On Wed, Mar 4, 2015 at 10:23 AM Julian Tenney < Julian.Tenney@nottingham.ac.uk> wrote:
>
>> We have two things that are GPL: one is optional, I don't have any 
>> problem with that. I'm trying to get a bit more understanding of the other one!
>>
>> But the point is taken: if that component is needed to make a certain 
>> function work, and that function is considered a central part of the 
>> software (a feature as it were), then there is a problem.
>>
>> So it follows that any GPL based stuff must be optional, bringing 
>> additional functionality.
>>
>> I know the developer is going to ask why can't it live in the repository.
>> But first I'll find out if it is a feature or an option.
>>
>
> The following should help the developer understand why we can't accept GPL code in Apache projects:
>
> http://www.apache.org/licenses/GPL-compatibility.html
> http://www.apache.org/legal/resolved.html
>
>
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: Jean-Baptiste Onofré [mailto:jb@nanthrax.net]
>> Sent: 04 March 2015 15:17
>> To: general@incubator.apache.org
>> Subject: Re: GPL Code in GitHub
>>
>> Exactly, that's why I asked ;)
>>
>> Just to be sure, else it's an issue IMHO.
>>
>> Regards
>> JB
>>
>> On 03/04/2015 04:14 PM, Benson Margulies wrote:
>> > An Apache project may not manage a codebase outside of Apache. Some 
>> > people who happen to be members of an Apache community can maintain 
>> > code outside of Apache, if they are very clear in distinguishing; 
>> > it must not be a product of the project. See 'Apache Extras'.
>> >
>> > On Wed, Mar 4, 2015 at 8:46 AM, Jean-Baptiste Onofré 
>> > <jb...@nanthrax.net>
>> > wrote:
>> >
>> >> Hi Julian,
>> >>
>> >> the code is not included in the project (just a reference) ?
>> >>
>> >> Regards
>> >> JB
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> On 03/04/2015 02:44 PM, Julian Tenney wrote:
>> >>
>> >>> Question: I know I've seen this discussed here before, and in any 
>> >>> case, you guys are the best source for an answer:
>> >>>
>> >>> Can we have GPL code in a repository as long as that is not 
>> >>> distributed with the product in a 'official' release?
>> >>>
>> >>> Thanks a lot,
>> >>>
>> >>> Julian
>> >>>
>> >>>
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Re: GPL Code in GitHub

Posted by Stian Soiland-Reyes <st...@apache.org>.
Releases explained here:

https://www.apache.org/dev/release.html

Basically putting into git/svn is not a release - but as anyone
(practically any committer) can propose a release candidate for voting
based on the code in the source code repository, it should still be
code that is distributable under the Apache License.


On 4 March 2015 at 15:29, Julian Tenney <Ju...@nottingham.ac.uk> wrote:
>> The following should help the developer understand why we can't accept GPL code in Apache projects:
>
> The question is more about when does 'distribution' happen? When you put something in your github? Or when you make a release and the files associated with that release?
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Matt Franklin [mailto:m.ben.franklin@gmail.com]
> Sent: 04 March 2015 15:26
> To: general@incubator.apache.org
> Subject: Re: GPL Code in GitHub
>
> On Wed, Mar 4, 2015 at 10:23 AM Julian Tenney < Julian.Tenney@nottingham.ac.uk> wrote:
>
>> We have two things that are GPL: one is optional, I don't have any
>> problem with that. I'm trying to get a bit more understanding of the other one!
>>
>> But the point is taken: if that component is needed to make a certain
>> function work, and that function is considered a central part of the
>> software (a feature as it were), then there is a problem.
>>
>> So it follows that any GPL based stuff must be optional, bringing
>> additional functionality.
>>
>> I know the developer is going to ask why can't it live in the repository.
>> But first I'll find out if it is a feature or an option.
>>
>
> The following should help the developer understand why we can't accept GPL code in Apache projects:
>
> http://www.apache.org/licenses/GPL-compatibility.html
> http://www.apache.org/legal/resolved.html
>
>
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: Jean-Baptiste Onofré [mailto:jb@nanthrax.net]
>> Sent: 04 March 2015 15:17
>> To: general@incubator.apache.org
>> Subject: Re: GPL Code in GitHub
>>
>> Exactly, that's why I asked ;)
>>
>> Just to be sure, else it's an issue IMHO.
>>
>> Regards
>> JB
>>
>> On 03/04/2015 04:14 PM, Benson Margulies wrote:
>> > An Apache project may not manage a codebase outside of Apache. Some
>> > people who happen to be members of an Apache community can maintain
>> > code outside of Apache, if they are very clear in distinguishing; it
>> > must not be a product of the project. See 'Apache Extras'.
>> >
>> > On Wed, Mar 4, 2015 at 8:46 AM, Jean-Baptiste Onofré
>> > <jb...@nanthrax.net>
>> > wrote:
>> >
>> >> Hi Julian,
>> >>
>> >> the code is not included in the project (just a reference) ?
>> >>
>> >> Regards
>> >> JB
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> On 03/04/2015 02:44 PM, Julian Tenney wrote:
>> >>
>> >>> Question: I know I've seen this discussed here before, and in any
>> >>> case, you guys are the best source for an answer:
>> >>>
>> >>> Can we have GPL code in a repository as long as that is not
>> >>> distributed with the product in a 'official' release?
>> >>>
>> >>> Thanks a lot,
>> >>>
>> >>> Julian
>> >>>
>> >>>
>> >>>
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RE: GPL Code in GitHub

Posted by Julian Tenney <Ju...@nottingham.ac.uk>.
> The following should help the developer understand why we can't accept GPL code in Apache projects:

The question is more about when does 'distribution' happen? When you put something in your github? Or when you make a release and the files associated with that release?

-----Original Message-----
From: Matt Franklin [mailto:m.ben.franklin@gmail.com] 
Sent: 04 March 2015 15:26
To: general@incubator.apache.org
Subject: Re: GPL Code in GitHub

On Wed, Mar 4, 2015 at 10:23 AM Julian Tenney < Julian.Tenney@nottingham.ac.uk> wrote:

> We have two things that are GPL: one is optional, I don't have any 
> problem with that. I'm trying to get a bit more understanding of the other one!
>
> But the point is taken: if that component is needed to make a certain 
> function work, and that function is considered a central part of the 
> software (a feature as it were), then there is a problem.
>
> So it follows that any GPL based stuff must be optional, bringing 
> additional functionality.
>
> I know the developer is going to ask why can't it live in the repository.
> But first I'll find out if it is a feature or an option.
>

The following should help the developer understand why we can't accept GPL code in Apache projects:

http://www.apache.org/licenses/GPL-compatibility.html
http://www.apache.org/legal/resolved.html


>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Jean-Baptiste Onofré [mailto:jb@nanthrax.net]
> Sent: 04 March 2015 15:17
> To: general@incubator.apache.org
> Subject: Re: GPL Code in GitHub
>
> Exactly, that's why I asked ;)
>
> Just to be sure, else it's an issue IMHO.
>
> Regards
> JB
>
> On 03/04/2015 04:14 PM, Benson Margulies wrote:
> > An Apache project may not manage a codebase outside of Apache. Some 
> > people who happen to be members of an Apache community can maintain 
> > code outside of Apache, if they are very clear in distinguishing; it 
> > must not be a product of the project. See 'Apache Extras'.
> >
> > On Wed, Mar 4, 2015 at 8:46 AM, Jean-Baptiste Onofré 
> > <jb...@nanthrax.net>
> > wrote:
> >
> >> Hi Julian,
> >>
> >> the code is not included in the project (just a reference) ?
> >>
> >> Regards
> >> JB
> >>
> >>
> >> On 03/04/2015 02:44 PM, Julian Tenney wrote:
> >>
> >>> Question: I know I've seen this discussed here before, and in any 
> >>> case, you guys are the best source for an answer:
> >>>
> >>> Can we have GPL code in a repository as long as that is not 
> >>> distributed with the product in a 'official' release?
> >>>
> >>> Thanks a lot,
> >>>
> >>> Julian
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> This message and any attachment are intended solely for the 
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Re: GPL Code in GitHub

Posted by Matt Franklin <m....@gmail.com>.
On Wed, Mar 4, 2015 at 10:23 AM Julian Tenney <
Julian.Tenney@nottingham.ac.uk> wrote:

> We have two things that are GPL: one is optional, I don't have any problem
> with that. I'm trying to get a bit more understanding of the other one!
>
> But the point is taken: if that component is needed to make a certain
> function work, and that function is considered a central part of the
> software (a feature as it were), then there is a problem.
>
> So it follows that any GPL based stuff must be optional, bringing
> additional functionality.
>
> I know the developer is going to ask why can't it live in the repository.
> But first I'll find out if it is a feature or an option.
>

The following should help the developer understand why we can't accept GPL
code in Apache projects:

http://www.apache.org/licenses/GPL-compatibility.html
http://www.apache.org/legal/resolved.html


>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Jean-Baptiste Onofré [mailto:jb@nanthrax.net]
> Sent: 04 March 2015 15:17
> To: general@incubator.apache.org
> Subject: Re: GPL Code in GitHub
>
> Exactly, that's why I asked ;)
>
> Just to be sure, else it's an issue IMHO.
>
> Regards
> JB
>
> On 03/04/2015 04:14 PM, Benson Margulies wrote:
> > An Apache project may not manage a codebase outside of Apache. Some
> > people who happen to be members of an Apache community can maintain
> > code outside of Apache, if they are very clear in distinguishing; it
> > must not be a product of the project. See 'Apache Extras'.
> >
> > On Wed, Mar 4, 2015 at 8:46 AM, Jean-Baptiste Onofré <jb...@nanthrax.net>
> > wrote:
> >
> >> Hi Julian,
> >>
> >> the code is not included in the project (just a reference) ?
> >>
> >> Regards
> >> JB
> >>
> >>
> >> On 03/04/2015 02:44 PM, Julian Tenney wrote:
> >>
> >>> Question: I know I've seen this discussed here before, and in any
> >>> case, you guys are the best source for an answer:
> >>>
> >>> Can we have GPL code in a repository as long as that is not
> >>> distributed with the product in a 'official' release?
> >>>
> >>> Thanks a lot,
> >>>
> >>> Julian
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
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RE: GPL Code in GitHub

Posted by Julian Tenney <Ju...@nottingham.ac.uk>.
We have two things that are GPL: one is optional, I don't have any problem with that. I'm trying to get a bit more understanding of the other one!

But the point is taken: if that component is needed to make a certain function work, and that function is considered a central part of the software (a feature as it were), then there is a problem.

So it follows that any GPL based stuff must be optional, bringing additional functionality.

I know the developer is going to ask why can't it live in the repository. But first I'll find out if it is a feature or an option.

-----Original Message-----
From: Jean-Baptiste Onofré [mailto:jb@nanthrax.net] 
Sent: 04 March 2015 15:17
To: general@incubator.apache.org
Subject: Re: GPL Code in GitHub

Exactly, that's why I asked ;)

Just to be sure, else it's an issue IMHO.

Regards
JB

On 03/04/2015 04:14 PM, Benson Margulies wrote:
> An Apache project may not manage a codebase outside of Apache. Some 
> people who happen to be members of an Apache community can maintain 
> code outside of Apache, if they are very clear in distinguishing; it 
> must not be a product of the project. See 'Apache Extras'.
>
> On Wed, Mar 4, 2015 at 8:46 AM, Jean-Baptiste Onofré <jb...@nanthrax.net>
> wrote:
>
>> Hi Julian,
>>
>> the code is not included in the project (just a reference) ?
>>
>> Regards
>> JB
>>
>>
>> On 03/04/2015 02:44 PM, Julian Tenney wrote:
>>
>>> Question: I know I've seen this discussed here before, and in any 
>>> case, you guys are the best source for an answer:
>>>
>>> Can we have GPL code in a repository as long as that is not 
>>> distributed with the product in a 'official' release?
>>>
>>> Thanks a lot,
>>>
>>> Julian
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> This message and any attachment are intended solely for the 
>>> addressee and may contain confidential information. If you have 
>>> received this message in error, please send it back to me, and immediately delete it.
>>>
>>> Please do not use, copy or disclose the information contained in 
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Re: GPL Code in GitHub

Posted by Jean-Baptiste Onofré <jb...@nanthrax.net>.
Exactly, that's why I asked ;)

Just to be sure, else it's an issue IMHO.

Regards
JB

On 03/04/2015 04:14 PM, Benson Margulies wrote:
> An Apache project may not manage a codebase outside of Apache. Some people
> who happen to be members of an Apache community can maintain code outside
> of Apache, if they are very clear in distinguishing; it must not be a
> product of the project. See 'Apache Extras'.
>
> On Wed, Mar 4, 2015 at 8:46 AM, Jean-Baptiste Onofré <jb...@nanthrax.net>
> wrote:
>
>> Hi Julian,
>>
>> the code is not included in the project (just a reference) ?
>>
>> Regards
>> JB
>>
>>
>> On 03/04/2015 02:44 PM, Julian Tenney wrote:
>>
>>> Question: I know I've seen this discussed here before, and in any case,
>>> you guys are the best source for an answer:
>>>
>>> Can we have GPL code in a repository as long as that is not distributed
>>> with the product in a 'official' release?
>>>
>>> Thanks a lot,
>>>
>>> Julian
>>>
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Re: GPL Code in GitHub

Posted by "John D. Ament" <jo...@apache.org>.
I notice that apache-extras is now forwarding to Any23.  Is that on purpose?

On Wed, Mar 4, 2015 at 10:15 AM Benson Margulies <bi...@gmail.com>
wrote:

> An Apache project may not manage a codebase outside of Apache. Some people
> who happen to be members of an Apache community can maintain code outside
> of Apache, if they are very clear in distinguishing; it must not be a
> product of the project. See 'Apache Extras'.
>
> On Wed, Mar 4, 2015 at 8:46 AM, Jean-Baptiste Onofré <jb...@nanthrax.net>
> wrote:
>
> > Hi Julian,
> >
> > the code is not included in the project (just a reference) ?
> >
> > Regards
> > JB
> >
> >
> > On 03/04/2015 02:44 PM, Julian Tenney wrote:
> >
> >> Question: I know I've seen this discussed here before, and in any case,
> >> you guys are the best source for an answer:
> >>
> >> Can we have GPL code in a repository as long as that is not distributed
> >> with the product in a 'official' release?
> >>
> >> Thanks a lot,
> >>
> >> Julian
> >>
> >>
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Re: GPL Code in GitHub

Posted by Benson Margulies <bi...@gmail.com>.
An Apache project may not manage a codebase outside of Apache. Some people
who happen to be members of an Apache community can maintain code outside
of Apache, if they are very clear in distinguishing; it must not be a
product of the project. See 'Apache Extras'.

On Wed, Mar 4, 2015 at 8:46 AM, Jean-Baptiste Onofré <jb...@nanthrax.net>
wrote:

> Hi Julian,
>
> the code is not included in the project (just a reference) ?
>
> Regards
> JB
>
>
> On 03/04/2015 02:44 PM, Julian Tenney wrote:
>
>> Question: I know I've seen this discussed here before, and in any case,
>> you guys are the best source for an answer:
>>
>> Can we have GPL code in a repository as long as that is not distributed
>> with the product in a 'official' release?
>>
>> Thanks a lot,
>>
>> Julian
>>
>>
>>
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RE: GPL Code in GitHub

Posted by Julian Tenney <Ju...@nottingham.ac.uk>.
I have a feeling it is some alternative authentication thing. It's optional, to make the project work under certain circumstances.

-----Original Message-----
From: Jean-Baptiste Onofré [mailto:jb@nanthrax.net] 
Sent: 04 March 2015 13:47
To: general@incubator.apache.org
Subject: Re: GPL Code in GitHub

Hi Julian,

the code is not included in the project (just a reference) ?

Regards
JB

On 03/04/2015 02:44 PM, Julian Tenney wrote:
> Question: I know I've seen this discussed here before, and in any case, you guys are the best source for an answer:
>
> Can we have GPL code in a repository as long as that is not distributed with the product in a 'official' release?
>
> Thanks a lot,
>
> Julian
>
>
>
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Re: GPL Code in GitHub

Posted by Jean-Baptiste Onofré <jb...@nanthrax.net>.
Hi Julian,

the code is not included in the project (just a reference) ?

Regards
JB

On 03/04/2015 02:44 PM, Julian Tenney wrote:
> Question: I know I've seen this discussed here before, and in any case, you guys are the best source for an answer:
>
> Can we have GPL code in a repository as long as that is not distributed with the product in a 'official' release?
>
> Thanks a lot,
>
> Julian
>
>
>
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RE: GPL Code in GitHub

Posted by Julian Tenney <Ju...@nottingham.ac.uk>.
It provides some alternative authentication I think. It's not mine: I found it there and needed to check out licensing issues etc. Most of it, in fact can be deleted.

But the point " There cannot be any GPL code in an Apache repository or in an Apache release" is the stance we will take. It's safer that way. I don't want to undermine the reason for choosing an Apache license in the first place, and that would happen if the repo contained GPL stuff.

-----Original Message-----
From: Matt Franklin [mailto:m.ben.franklin@gmail.com] 
Sent: 04 March 2015 13:47
To: general@incubator.apache.org
Subject: Re: GPL Code in GitHub

On Wed, Mar 4, 2015 at 8:45 AM Julian Tenney <Ju...@nottingham.ac.uk>
wrote:

> Question: I know I've seen this discussed here before, and in any 
> case, you guys are the best source for an answer:
>
> Can we have GPL code in a repository as long as that is not 
> distributed with the product in a 'official' release?
>

There cannot be any GPL code in an Apache repository or in an Apache release.

What are you trying to accomplish with the GPL code?


>
> Thanks a lot,
>
> Julian
>
>
>
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Re: GPL Code in GitHub

Posted by Matt Franklin <m....@gmail.com>.
On Wed, Mar 4, 2015 at 8:45 AM Julian Tenney <Ju...@nottingham.ac.uk>
wrote:

> Question: I know I've seen this discussed here before, and in any case,
> you guys are the best source for an answer:
>
> Can we have GPL code in a repository as long as that is not distributed
> with the product in a 'official' release?
>

There cannot be any GPL code in an Apache repository or in an Apache
release.

What are you trying to accomplish with the GPL code?


>
> Thanks a lot,
>
> Julian
>
>
>
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RE: GPL Code in GitHub

Posted by Julian Tenney <Ju...@nottingham.ac.uk>.
Thanks.

-----Original Message-----
From: Stian Soiland-Reyes [mailto:stain@apache.org] 
Sent: 04 March 2015 15:14
To: general@incubator.apache.org
Subject: Re: GPL Code in GitHub

It depends how you integrate it - you can't put LGPL or GPL stuff into distributions from Apache - and you can't really do a release that is incomplete without it (e.g. "To make X work, download the GPL library Y and put it into lib")

Optional dependencies (e.g. plugins) should however be fine to be externally managed - but you have to make it very clear that they are not affiliated with Apache.

For instance for Apache Taverna we had an in the pre-incubator code some optional plugins that have LGPL dependencies, so we simply put them at https://github.com/taverna-extras and link to it from http://taverna.incubator.apache.org/download/code/#taverna-extra as "independent community-submitted plugins".

A common thing is mysql-client.jar which is GPL - so as long as your code is happy to work with other JDBC drivers (why wouldn't it?) you can just have instructions on how to download it and put it in lib/ for those that are happy to use mySQL - and have some other reasonable default otherwise (e.g. Apache Derby)



On 4 March 2015 at 13:44, Julian Tenney <Ju...@nottingham.ac.uk> wrote:
> Question: I know I've seen this discussed here before, and in any case, you guys are the best source for an answer:
>
> Can we have GPL code in a repository as long as that is not distributed with the product in a 'official' release?
>
> Thanks a lot,
>
> Julian
>
>
>
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Re: GPL Code in GitHub

Posted by Stian Soiland-Reyes <st...@apache.org>.
It depends how you integrate it - you can't put LGPL or GPL stuff into
distributions from Apache - and you can't really do a release that is
incomplete without it (e.g. "To make X work, download the GPL library
Y and put it into lib")

Optional dependencies (e.g. plugins) should however be fine to be
externally managed - but you have to make it very clear that they are
not affiliated with Apache.

For instance for Apache Taverna we had an in the pre-incubator code
some optional plugins that have LGPL dependencies, so we simply put
them at https://github.com/taverna-extras and link to it from
http://taverna.incubator.apache.org/download/code/#taverna-extra as
"independent community-submitted plugins".

A common thing is mysql-client.jar which is GPL - so as long as your
code is happy to work with other JDBC drivers (why wouldn't it?) you
can just have instructions on how to download it and put it in lib/
for those that are happy to use mySQL - and have some other reasonable
default otherwise (e.g. Apache Derby)



On 4 March 2015 at 13:44, Julian Tenney <Ju...@nottingham.ac.uk> wrote:
> Question: I know I've seen this discussed here before, and in any case, you guys are the best source for an answer:
>
> Can we have GPL code in a repository as long as that is not distributed with the product in a 'official' release?
>
> Thanks a lot,
>
> Julian
>
>
>
>
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