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Posted to xap-dev@incubator.apache.org by Coach Wei <co...@nexaweb.com> on 2006/09/07 00:14:59 UTC
FW: Incubator Lightning Talks at ApacheCon US?
Anybody attending ApacheCon US in Austin Texas from October 9 to 13th?
Justin suggested incubator lightning talk - (if you have not seen Apache
lightning talk before, let me tell you that it is probably the best part
of Apache Conf). I volunteered XAP and XAP is currently on the list now.
Anyone interested in giving the lightning talk on behalf of XAP? It is
probably going to be a 5-minute talk. It is going to be fun and a good
chance to let other people know about XAP.
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Coach Wei [mailto:coach@nexaweb.com]
> Sent: Wednesday, September 06, 2006 9:31 AM
> To: general@incubator.apache.org
> Subject: RE: Incubator Lightning Talks at ApacheCon US?
>
> This is a great idea.
>
> I'd be interested in talking about XAP after having enough beer.
>
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Justin Erenkrantz [mailto:justin@erenkrantz.com]
> > Sent: Wednesday, September 06, 2006 4:14 AM
> > To: general@incubator.apache.org
> > Subject: Incubator Lightning Talks at ApacheCon US?
> >
> > Hiya everyone,
> >
> > At ApacheCon US in Austin next month, we're scheduled to have a
> two-hour
> > block
> > for "Incubator Lightning Talks." (Thursday 4:30-6:30pm)
> >
> > This time is roughly to do as "we" see fit.
> >
> > Our initial idea was to have short (15-min?) talks about as many
> podlings
> > as we
> > can fit in to the timeslot. Tell us what the project is about, who
is
> > involved, why I should download it, etc, etc. You've got 15 minutes
> to
> > convince a room full of Apache folks to contribute to your project.
> Go
> > forth.
> >
> > Do folks here agree that this is a good idea?
> >
> > Do we have any volunteers to help coordinate this?
> >
> > Do we have podlings that are interested in presenting?
> >
> > All things considered, I'd give priority to already accepted and
> active
> > podlings; but if someone has a proposal they'd like to discuss and
we
> have
> > space for it, that's cool too. Heck, if a full ASF project wants to
> get
> > up
> > there, that's fine by me, too. (I don't have a clue what a bunch of
> TLPs
> > are
> > actually up to anyway...)
> >
> > Note that no financial assistance will be provided to speakers in
this
> > lightning session - so you do have to get to Austin on your own.
> >
> > Thanks! -- justin
> >
> >
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Re: Incubator Lightning Talks at ApacheCon US?
Posted by Martin Cooper <ma...@apache.org>.
On 9/12/06, Bob Buffone <rb...@nexaweb.com> wrote:
>
> Coach,
>
> I volunteer to give the 5 minutes talk on XAP, I will just talk really,
> really fast. Also I am going to purpose a BOF on XAP as well. Anyone
> have any ideas on how to do this?
Setting up an ApacheCon BOF (which is what I assume you are asking about) is
as simple as adding it to the list:
http://wiki.apache.org/apachecon/BirdsOfaFeatherUs06
--
Martin Cooper
Bob (Buffone)
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Coach Wei [mailto:coach@nexaweb.com]
> Sent: Wednesday, September 06, 2006 8:15 PM
> To: xap-dev@incubator.apache.org
> Subject: FW: Incubator Lightning Talks at ApacheCon US?
>
> Anybody attending ApacheCon US in Austin Texas from October 9 to 13th?
>
>
> Justin suggested incubator lightning talk - (if you have not seen Apache
> lightning talk before, let me tell you that it is probably the best part
> of Apache Conf). I volunteered XAP and XAP is currently on the list now.
> Anyone interested in giving the lightning talk on behalf of XAP? It is
> probably going to be a 5-minute talk. It is going to be fun and a good
> chance to let other people know about XAP.
>
>
>
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Coach Wei [mailto:coach@nexaweb.com]
> > Sent: Wednesday, September 06, 2006 9:31 AM
> > To: general@incubator.apache.org
> > Subject: RE: Incubator Lightning Talks at ApacheCon US?
> >
> > This is a great idea.
> >
> > I'd be interested in talking about XAP after having enough beer.
> >
> > > -----Original Message-----
> > > From: Justin Erenkrantz [mailto:justin@erenkrantz.com]
> > > Sent: Wednesday, September 06, 2006 4:14 AM
> > > To: general@incubator.apache.org
> > > Subject: Incubator Lightning Talks at ApacheCon US?
> > >
> > > Hiya everyone,
> > >
> > > At ApacheCon US in Austin next month, we're scheduled to have a
> > two-hour
> > > block
> > > for "Incubator Lightning Talks." (Thursday 4:30-6:30pm)
> > >
> > > This time is roughly to do as "we" see fit.
> > >
> > > Our initial idea was to have short (15-min?) talks about as many
> > podlings
> > > as we
> > > can fit in to the timeslot. Tell us what the project is about, who
> is
> > > involved, why I should download it, etc, etc. You've got 15 minutes
> > to
> > > convince a room full of Apache folks to contribute to your project.
> > Go
> > > forth.
> > >
> > > Do folks here agree that this is a good idea?
> > >
> > > Do we have any volunteers to help coordinate this?
> > >
> > > Do we have podlings that are interested in presenting?
> > >
> > > All things considered, I'd give priority to already accepted and
> > active
> > > podlings; but if someone has a proposal they'd like to discuss and
> we
> > have
> > > space for it, that's cool too. Heck, if a full ASF project wants to
> > get
> > > up
> > > there, that's fine by me, too. (I don't have a clue what a bunch of
> > TLPs
> > > are
> > > actually up to anyway...)
> > >
> > > Note that no financial assistance will be provided to speakers in
> this
> > > lightning session - so you do have to get to Austin on your own.
> > >
> > > Thanks! -- justin
> > >
> > >
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> >
> >
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RE: Web 1.0 v. 2.0
Posted by James Margaris <jm...@nexaweb.com>.
Posted to wrong list?
James Margaris
-----Original Message-----
From: mfncooper@gmail.com [mailto:mfncooper@gmail.com] On Behalf Of
Martin Cooper
Sent: Thursday, September 14, 2006 1:19 PM
To: xap-dev@incubator.apache.org
Subject: Re: Web 1.0 v. 2.0
On 9/14/06, Michael Turyn <MT...@nexaweb.com> wrote:
>
> Thanks for including us in your brain-storming session.
Did I miss something? What brainstorming session? Some context for the
rest of your message, below, would be most helpful.
--
Martin Cooper
I can't shake the feeling that you'd be best-off admitting the hype
> first-off (which perhaps you do), finding the common elements to the
> consumer-oriented changes and asking what those same transofrmations
> would do to a few business processes.
>
> An example: Web 1.0 was about static content broadcasted, what I'll
> call "Web 1.5" is dynamic and targetted content broadcast, and Web 2.0
> is static content at least partially generated by the audience or
> aggregated using analyses of what they want (or are willing to pay
> for). (Web 2.5will presumably allow the audience to easily create
> dynamic content---a real opening for XAL as the means for users to
> assemble 1-off apps---, and you can already somewhat narrowcast using
> keywording to try to attract others.)
>
> What happens to spreadsheets under the same transform? To
> supply-chain? Training/{knowledge retention}? H.R.?
>
> I'm afraid I have the easisest time seeing it applied to training,
> both because it's most like a consumer application, because it _has_
> to get audience buy-in to work (ever taught people who don't want to
> learn?), and because I've a couple of experiences there
> 1.) A prospective training programme at Boeing in 1992 using
> multimedia and experts' commentary
> 2.) A knowlege base system at ATG built entirely from worker
> content---I guess the 2.0/2.5 version of it would be the employees'
> actually adding to the application system itself, rather than just add
content to it.
>
> The problem with the other business processes is that they have
> predetermined goals (e.g., maximise supply availability whilst
> minimising cost and latency) that can't be trusted to be the users'
> collective will, so democracy will implicitly be distrusted.
>
> It might seem to hype-y, but perhaps we can use a "Web 2.5" line of
> marketing....
>
>
Re: Web 1.0 v. 2.0
Posted by Martin Cooper <ma...@apache.org>.
On 9/14/06, Michael Turyn <MT...@nexaweb.com> wrote:
>
> Thanks for including us in your brain-storming session.
Did I miss something? What brainstorming session? Some context for the rest
of your message, below, would be most helpful.
--
Martin Cooper
I can't shake the feeling that you'd be best-off admitting the hype
> first-off (which perhaps you do), finding the common elements to the
> consumer-oriented changes and asking what those same transofrmations would
> do to a few business processes.
>
> An example: Web 1.0 was about static content broadcasted, what I'll call
> "Web 1.5" is dynamic and targetted content broadcast, and Web 2.0 is
> static content at least partially generated by the audience or aggregated
> using analyses of what they want (or are willing to pay for). (Web 2.5will presumably allow the audience to easily create dynamic content---a real
> opening for XAL as the means for users to assemble 1-off apps---, and you
> can already somewhat narrowcast using keywording to try to attract others.)
>
> What happens to spreadsheets under the same transform? To
> supply-chain? Training/{knowledge retention}? H.R.?
>
> I'm afraid I have the easisest time seeing it applied to training, both
> because it's most like a consumer application, because it _has_ to get
> audience buy-in to work (ever taught people who don't want to learn?), and
> because I've a couple of experiences there
> 1.) A prospective training programme at Boeing in 1992 using multimedia
> and experts' commentary
> 2.) A knowlege base system at ATG built entirely from worker content---I
> guess the 2.0/2.5 version of it would be the employees' actually adding to
> the application system itself, rather than just add content to it.
>
> The problem with the other business processes is that they have
> predetermined goals (e.g., maximise supply availability whilst minimising
> cost and latency) that can't be trusted to be the users' collective will, so
> democracy will implicitly be distrusted.
>
> It might seem to hype-y, but perhaps we can use a "Web 2.5" line of
> marketing....
>
>
Web 1.0 v. 2.0
Posted by Michael Turyn <MT...@nexaweb.com>.
Thanks for including us in your brain-storming session.
I can't shake the feeling that you'd be best-off admitting the hype first-off (which perhaps you do), finding the common elements to the consumer-oriented changes and asking what those same transofrmations would do to a few business processes.
An example: Web 1.0 was about static content broadcasted, what I'll call "Web 1.5" is dynamic and targetted content broadcast, and Web 2.0 is static content at least partially generated by the audience or aggregated using analyses of what they want (or are willing to pay for). (Web 2.5 will presumably allow the audience to easily create dynamic content---a real opening for XAL as the means for users to assemble 1-off apps---, and you can already somewhat narrowcast using keywording to try to attract others.)
What happens to spreadsheets under the same transform? To supply-chain? Training/{knowledge retention}? H.R.?
I'm afraid I have the easisest time seeing it applied to training, both because it's most like a consumer application, because it _has_ to get audience buy-in to work (ever taught people who don't want to learn?), and because I've a couple of experiences there
1.) A prospective training programme at Boeing in 1992 using multimedia and experts' commentary
2.) A knowlege base system at ATG built entirely from worker content---I guess the 2.0/2.5 version of it would be the employees' actually adding to the application system itself, rather than just add content to it.
The problem with the other business processes is that they have predetermined goals (e.g., maximise supply availability whilst minimising cost and latency) that can't be trusted to be the users' collective will, so democracy will implicitly be distrusted.
It might seem to hype-y, but perhaps we can use a "Web 2.5" line of marketing....
Sorry for the confusion
Posted by Michael Turyn <MT...@nexaweb.com>.
My apologies for the "Web 1.0 v. 2.0" mail I sent by mistake to this list. I'm relatively new to this mail client, and didn't notice that for it "Reply" works as I'd expect "Reply all" to do (as it simultaneous hides the "Reply-to" field in the original message).
I am embarrassed.
RE: Incubator Lightning Talks at ApacheCon US?
Posted by Coach Wei <co...@nexaweb.com>.
Bob: That's great. Off you go!
It is better to ask ApacheCon people related to BOF, maybe on the
incubator list?
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Bob Buffone [mailto:rbuffone@nexaweb.com]
> Sent: Tuesday, September 12, 2006 9:02 PM
> To: xap-dev@incubator.apache.org
> Subject: RE: Incubator Lightning Talks at ApacheCon US?
>
> Coach,
>
> I volunteer to give the 5 minutes talk on XAP, I will just talk
really,
> really fast. Also I am going to purpose a BOF on XAP as well. Anyone
> have any ideas on how to do this?
>
> Bob (Buffone)
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Coach Wei [mailto:coach@nexaweb.com]
> Sent: Wednesday, September 06, 2006 8:15 PM
> To: xap-dev@incubator.apache.org
> Subject: FW: Incubator Lightning Talks at ApacheCon US?
>
> Anybody attending ApacheCon US in Austin Texas from October 9 to 13th?
>
>
> Justin suggested incubator lightning talk - (if you have not seen
Apache
> lightning talk before, let me tell you that it is probably the best
part
> of Apache Conf). I volunteered XAP and XAP is currently on the list
now.
> Anyone interested in giving the lightning talk on behalf of XAP? It is
> probably going to be a 5-minute talk. It is going to be fun and a good
> chance to let other people know about XAP.
>
>
>
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Coach Wei [mailto:coach@nexaweb.com]
> > Sent: Wednesday, September 06, 2006 9:31 AM
> > To: general@incubator.apache.org
> > Subject: RE: Incubator Lightning Talks at ApacheCon US?
> >
> > This is a great idea.
> >
> > I'd be interested in talking about XAP after having enough beer.
> >
> > > -----Original Message-----
> > > From: Justin Erenkrantz [mailto:justin@erenkrantz.com]
> > > Sent: Wednesday, September 06, 2006 4:14 AM
> > > To: general@incubator.apache.org
> > > Subject: Incubator Lightning Talks at ApacheCon US?
> > >
> > > Hiya everyone,
> > >
> > > At ApacheCon US in Austin next month, we're scheduled to have a
> > two-hour
> > > block
> > > for "Incubator Lightning Talks." (Thursday 4:30-6:30pm)
> > >
> > > This time is roughly to do as "we" see fit.
> > >
> > > Our initial idea was to have short (15-min?) talks about as many
> > podlings
> > > as we
> > > can fit in to the timeslot. Tell us what the project is about,
who
> is
> > > involved, why I should download it, etc, etc. You've got 15
minutes
> > to
> > > convince a room full of Apache folks to contribute to your
project.
> > Go
> > > forth.
> > >
> > > Do folks here agree that this is a good idea?
> > >
> > > Do we have any volunteers to help coordinate this?
> > >
> > > Do we have podlings that are interested in presenting?
> > >
> > > All things considered, I'd give priority to already accepted and
> > active
> > > podlings; but if someone has a proposal they'd like to discuss and
> we
> > have
> > > space for it, that's cool too. Heck, if a full ASF project wants
to
> > get
> > > up
> > > there, that's fine by me, too. (I don't have a clue what a bunch
of
> > TLPs
> > > are
> > > actually up to anyway...)
> > >
> > > Note that no financial assistance will be provided to speakers in
> this
> > > lightning session - so you do have to get to Austin on your own.
> > >
> > > Thanks! -- justin
> > >
> > >
> ---------------------------------------------------------------------
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> >
> >
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RE: Incubator Lightning Talks at ApacheCon US?
Posted by Bob Buffone <rb...@nexaweb.com>.
Coach,
I volunteer to give the 5 minutes talk on XAP, I will just talk really,
really fast. Also I am going to purpose a BOF on XAP as well. Anyone
have any ideas on how to do this?
Bob (Buffone)
-----Original Message-----
From: Coach Wei [mailto:coach@nexaweb.com]
Sent: Wednesday, September 06, 2006 8:15 PM
To: xap-dev@incubator.apache.org
Subject: FW: Incubator Lightning Talks at ApacheCon US?
Anybody attending ApacheCon US in Austin Texas from October 9 to 13th?
Justin suggested incubator lightning talk - (if you have not seen Apache
lightning talk before, let me tell you that it is probably the best part
of Apache Conf). I volunteered XAP and XAP is currently on the list now.
Anyone interested in giving the lightning talk on behalf of XAP? It is
probably going to be a 5-minute talk. It is going to be fun and a good
chance to let other people know about XAP.
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Coach Wei [mailto:coach@nexaweb.com]
> Sent: Wednesday, September 06, 2006 9:31 AM
> To: general@incubator.apache.org
> Subject: RE: Incubator Lightning Talks at ApacheCon US?
>
> This is a great idea.
>
> I'd be interested in talking about XAP after having enough beer.
>
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Justin Erenkrantz [mailto:justin@erenkrantz.com]
> > Sent: Wednesday, September 06, 2006 4:14 AM
> > To: general@incubator.apache.org
> > Subject: Incubator Lightning Talks at ApacheCon US?
> >
> > Hiya everyone,
> >
> > At ApacheCon US in Austin next month, we're scheduled to have a
> two-hour
> > block
> > for "Incubator Lightning Talks." (Thursday 4:30-6:30pm)
> >
> > This time is roughly to do as "we" see fit.
> >
> > Our initial idea was to have short (15-min?) talks about as many
> podlings
> > as we
> > can fit in to the timeslot. Tell us what the project is about, who
is
> > involved, why I should download it, etc, etc. You've got 15 minutes
> to
> > convince a room full of Apache folks to contribute to your project.
> Go
> > forth.
> >
> > Do folks here agree that this is a good idea?
> >
> > Do we have any volunteers to help coordinate this?
> >
> > Do we have podlings that are interested in presenting?
> >
> > All things considered, I'd give priority to already accepted and
> active
> > podlings; but if someone has a proposal they'd like to discuss and
we
> have
> > space for it, that's cool too. Heck, if a full ASF project wants to
> get
> > up
> > there, that's fine by me, too. (I don't have a clue what a bunch of
> TLPs
> > are
> > actually up to anyway...)
> >
> > Note that no financial assistance will be provided to speakers in
this
> > lightning session - so you do have to get to Austin on your own.
> >
> > Thanks! -- justin
> >
> >
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