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Posted to dev@hawq.apache.org by Yandong Yao <yy...@pivotal.io> on 2017/01/17 07:51:04 UTC
Re: About Apache HAWQ home page
+dev@hawq for broader discussion
On Tue, Jan 17, 2017 at 3:41 PM, Ed Espino <es...@apache.org> wrote:
> Probably helpful to push this to the dev list for discussion on a new
> thread. I don't have much if any context on the current layout but other
> dev members might.
>
> I need to remind myself all the time ... we are growing a "dev community"
> ... "dev community" ... "dev community" ... "dev community". Especially as
> you listed "who could help to make those changes"? I believe any committer
> in the community is capable of performing this work (
> https://git-wip-us.apache.org/repos/asf?p=incubator-hawq-site.git).
>
> -=e
>
> On Mon, Jan 16, 2017 at 11:23 PM, Yandong Yao <yy...@pivotal.io> wrote:
>
>> A few comments
>> about HAWQ home page
>> after talked with Tim
>> who is experienced UX guy
>> :
>>
>> 1) Remove 'More...' link and corresponding section
>> 2) Move 'Doc' link to the end of the tab list
>> 3) Change 'Source' in download section to a link, instead of using a big
>> blue button.
>>
>> Who could help to make those changes?
>>
>>
>>
Re: About Apache HAWQ home page
Posted by Yandong Yao <yy...@pivotal.io>.
+ Tim
On Wed, Jan 18, 2017 at 12:31 AM, Ed Espino <es...@apache.org> wrote:
> ASF FTW!
>
> I know the website code is relatively easy to update. I helped with the
> initial software download update to the website. I contributed a very
> small change but I did have a very high-level review of the layout several
> months ago.
>
> -=e
>
> On Tue, Jan 17, 2017 at 8:25 AM, Gregory Chase <gc...@pivotal.io> wrote:
>
> > You can share website code as well as regular code if its under an Apache
> > V2 license.
> >
> > We liked the CouchDB template as a starting point because it is a fairly
> > pleasing design, scrolls well for mobile viewing, and looks easy to
> > maintain.
> >
> > -Greg
> >
> > On Tue, Jan 17, 2017 at 8:03 AM, Ed Espino <es...@apache.org> wrote:
> >
> > > Ahhh ... that's where it came from. Aside from the content, the layout
> is
> > > virtually identical between the two projects (Apache CouchDB
> > > <http://couchdb.apache.org/> and Apache HAWQ <http://hawq.apache.org/
> >)!
> > >
> > > -=e
> > >
> > > On Tue, Jan 17, 2017 at 7:56 AM, Greg Chase <gr...@gregchase.com>
> wrote:
> > >
> > > > Having helped create the initial HAWQ design, the basic format was
> > lifted
> > > > from the CouchDB site. For the "More" section, we removed redundant
> or
> > > > unneeded links, and just left some of the Apache related information.
> > > >
> > > > Other than the incubator logo and message, I don't know what else is
> > > > "required" to keep. However I think they are all "nice to have".
> > > >
> > > > They don't need to be in their own section. You can always move them
> > to
> > > > another part oft he page.
> > > >
> > > > On Tue, Jan 17, 2017 at 7:20 AM, Ed Espino <es...@apache.org>
> wrote:
> > > >
> > > > > Yandong,
> > > > >
> > > > > Thanks for moving this to the dev list for discussion. Any chance
> > Tim
> > > is
> > > > > a member of the HAWQ dev community? If not, any chance we can
> invite
> > > him
> > > > to
> > > > > the discussion. He's one extremely valuable and knowledgeable
> > > individual
> > > > (
> > > > > https://medium.com/tradecraft-traction/64-people-you-
> > > > > should-know-in-design-f28cf3c2cfaa#.gjrsa3av7)!
> > > > >
> > > > > Again, I do not have much context on the design decisions of the
> > > current
> > > > > HAWQ website so I might be a bit off with my responses to your
> three
> > > > items.
> > > > >
> > > > > 1) Remove 'More...' link and corresponding section
> > > > >
> > > > > I don't like the idea of removing the "More" section completely.
> The
> > > > > section points to the Apache Software Foundation (ASF) links. Many
> > > other
> > > > > Apache projects have similar sections. However, they are named
> > > > something a
> > > > > bit more appropriately than "More". Here are a few examples.
> > > > >
> > > > > - Menu name: "Apache" (right most top-level menu item) -
> > > > > http://cloudstack.apache.org/ <http://cloudstack.apache.org/>
> > > > > - Menu name: "Apache Software Foundation" (right most top-level
> > menu
> > > > > item) - https://accumulo.apache.org/
> > > > >
> > > > > Feel free to review additional Apache project home pages (
> > > > > https://projects.apache.org/projects.html) to get a feel for the
> > > > > significance of having ASF links (many forms: nav bar, drop-down
> > list,
> > > > > footer links, etc).
> > > > >
> > > > > Option: I'd suggest we rename the section from "More" to "Apache"
> and
> > > > > leave it at the far right end.
> > > > >
> > > > > 2) Move 'Doc' link to the end of the tab list
> > > > >
> > > > > If it is moved, I would move it to the menu section just to the
> left
> > of
> > > > > the "More" (hopefully renamed) menu item.
> > > > >
> > > > > 3) Change 'Source' in download section to a link, instead of using
> a
> > > big
> > > > > blue button.
> > > > >
> > > > > Even though we have a single download at the current time, as the
> > > project
> > > > > starts releasing more artifacts (source and binary), it will be
> > > important
> > > > > for visitors to select different release versions. I believe the
> > page
> > > is
> > > > > designed to support multiple download pages. I'm in favor of
> leaving
> > > it
> > > > as
> > > > > is for the time being.
> > > > >
> > > > > Additional considerations:
> > > > >
> > > > > - The top-level menu item changes to a drop down menu as the web
> > > page
> > > > > is resized (mobile device support). If we rename/reposition
> items,
> > > > this
> > > > > would have to be taken into account. See attached screenshots
> for
> > > > nav bar
> > > > > and drop-down menu reference.
> > > > > - Similarly, the page flow is consistent with the nav bar menu
> > item
> > > > > flow. The page may have to be adjusted to account for this.
> > > > >
> > > > > Regards,
> > > > > -=e
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > On Mon, Jan 16, 2017 at 11:51 PM, Yandong Yao <yy...@pivotal.io>
> > wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > >> +dev@hawq for broader discussion
> > > > >>
> > > > >> On Tue, Jan 17, 2017 at 3:41 PM, Ed Espino <es...@apache.org>
> > wrote:
> > > > >>
> > > > >>> Probably helpful to push this to the dev list for discussion on a
> > new
> > > > >>> thread. I don't have much if any context on the current layout
> but
> > > > other
> > > > >>> dev members might.
> > > > >>>
> > > > >>> I need to remind myself all the time ... we are growing a "dev
> > > > >>> community" ... "dev community" ... "dev community" ... "dev
> > > community".
> > > > >>> Especially as you listed "who could help to make those
> changes"? I
> > > > believe
> > > > >>> any committer in the community is capable of performing this
> work (
> > > > >>> https://git-wip-us.apache.org/repos/asf?p=incubator-hawq-
> site.git
> > ).
> > > > >>>
> > > > >>> -=e
> > > > >>>
> > > > >>> On Mon, Jan 16, 2017 at 11:23 PM, Yandong Yao <yy...@pivotal.io>
> > > wrote:
> > > > >>>
> > > > >>>> A few comments
> > > > >>>> about HAWQ home page
> > > > >>>> after talked with Tim
> > > > >>>> who is experienced UX guy
> > > > >>>> :
> > > > >>>>
> > > > >>>> 1) Remove 'More...' link and corresponding section
> > > > >>>> 2) Move 'Doc' link to the end of the tab list
> > > > >>>> 3) Change 'Source' in download section to a link, instead of
> > using a
> > > > >>>> big blue button.
> > > > >>>>
> > > > >>>> Who could help to make those changes?
> > > > >>>>
> > > > >>>>
> > > > >>>>
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > --
> > > > > *Ed Espino*
> > > > > *espino@apache.org <es...@apache.org>*
> > > > >
> > > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > --
> > > *Ed Espino*
> > > *espino@apache.org <es...@apache.org>*
> > >
> >
> >
> >
> > --
> > Greg Chase
> >
> > Product team
> > http://www.pivotal.io/big-data
> >
> > Pivotal Software
> > http://www.pivotal.io/
> >
> > 650-215-0477
> > @GregChase
> > Blog: http://geekmarketing.biz/
> >
>
>
>
> --
> *Ed Espino*
> *espino@apache.org <es...@apache.org>*
>
--
Best Regards,
Yandong
Re: About Apache HAWQ home page
Posted by Ed Espino <es...@apache.org>.
ASF FTW!
I know the website code is relatively easy to update. I helped with the
initial software download update to the website. I contributed a very
small change but I did have a very high-level review of the layout several
months ago.
-=e
On Tue, Jan 17, 2017 at 8:25 AM, Gregory Chase <gc...@pivotal.io> wrote:
> You can share website code as well as regular code if its under an Apache
> V2 license.
>
> We liked the CouchDB template as a starting point because it is a fairly
> pleasing design, scrolls well for mobile viewing, and looks easy to
> maintain.
>
> -Greg
>
> On Tue, Jan 17, 2017 at 8:03 AM, Ed Espino <es...@apache.org> wrote:
>
> > Ahhh ... that's where it came from. Aside from the content, the layout is
> > virtually identical between the two projects (Apache CouchDB
> > <http://couchdb.apache.org/> and Apache HAWQ <http://hawq.apache.org/>)!
> >
> > -=e
> >
> > On Tue, Jan 17, 2017 at 7:56 AM, Greg Chase <gr...@gregchase.com> wrote:
> >
> > > Having helped create the initial HAWQ design, the basic format was
> lifted
> > > from the CouchDB site. For the "More" section, we removed redundant or
> > > unneeded links, and just left some of the Apache related information.
> > >
> > > Other than the incubator logo and message, I don't know what else is
> > > "required" to keep. However I think they are all "nice to have".
> > >
> > > They don't need to be in their own section. You can always move them
> to
> > > another part oft he page.
> > >
> > > On Tue, Jan 17, 2017 at 7:20 AM, Ed Espino <es...@apache.org> wrote:
> > >
> > > > Yandong,
> > > >
> > > > Thanks for moving this to the dev list for discussion. Any chance
> Tim
> > is
> > > > a member of the HAWQ dev community? If not, any chance we can invite
> > him
> > > to
> > > > the discussion. He's one extremely valuable and knowledgeable
> > individual
> > > (
> > > > https://medium.com/tradecraft-traction/64-people-you-
> > > > should-know-in-design-f28cf3c2cfaa#.gjrsa3av7)!
> > > >
> > > > Again, I do not have much context on the design decisions of the
> > current
> > > > HAWQ website so I might be a bit off with my responses to your three
> > > items.
> > > >
> > > > 1) Remove 'More...' link and corresponding section
> > > >
> > > > I don't like the idea of removing the "More" section completely. The
> > > > section points to the Apache Software Foundation (ASF) links. Many
> > other
> > > > Apache projects have similar sections. However, they are named
> > > something a
> > > > bit more appropriately than "More". Here are a few examples.
> > > >
> > > > - Menu name: "Apache" (right most top-level menu item) -
> > > > http://cloudstack.apache.org/ <http://cloudstack.apache.org/>
> > > > - Menu name: "Apache Software Foundation" (right most top-level
> menu
> > > > item) - https://accumulo.apache.org/
> > > >
> > > > Feel free to review additional Apache project home pages (
> > > > https://projects.apache.org/projects.html) to get a feel for the
> > > > significance of having ASF links (many forms: nav bar, drop-down
> list,
> > > > footer links, etc).
> > > >
> > > > Option: I'd suggest we rename the section from "More" to "Apache" and
> > > > leave it at the far right end.
> > > >
> > > > 2) Move 'Doc' link to the end of the tab list
> > > >
> > > > If it is moved, I would move it to the menu section just to the left
> of
> > > > the "More" (hopefully renamed) menu item.
> > > >
> > > > 3) Change 'Source' in download section to a link, instead of using a
> > big
> > > > blue button.
> > > >
> > > > Even though we have a single download at the current time, as the
> > project
> > > > starts releasing more artifacts (source and binary), it will be
> > important
> > > > for visitors to select different release versions. I believe the
> page
> > is
> > > > designed to support multiple download pages. I'm in favor of leaving
> > it
> > > as
> > > > is for the time being.
> > > >
> > > > Additional considerations:
> > > >
> > > > - The top-level menu item changes to a drop down menu as the web
> > page
> > > > is resized (mobile device support). If we rename/reposition items,
> > > this
> > > > would have to be taken into account. See attached screenshots for
> > > nav bar
> > > > and drop-down menu reference.
> > > > - Similarly, the page flow is consistent with the nav bar menu
> item
> > > > flow. The page may have to be adjusted to account for this.
> > > >
> > > > Regards,
> > > > -=e
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > On Mon, Jan 16, 2017 at 11:51 PM, Yandong Yao <yy...@pivotal.io>
> wrote:
> > > >
> > > >> +dev@hawq for broader discussion
> > > >>
> > > >> On Tue, Jan 17, 2017 at 3:41 PM, Ed Espino <es...@apache.org>
> wrote:
> > > >>
> > > >>> Probably helpful to push this to the dev list for discussion on a
> new
> > > >>> thread. I don't have much if any context on the current layout but
> > > other
> > > >>> dev members might.
> > > >>>
> > > >>> I need to remind myself all the time ... we are growing a "dev
> > > >>> community" ... "dev community" ... "dev community" ... "dev
> > community".
> > > >>> Especially as you listed "who could help to make those changes"? I
> > > believe
> > > >>> any committer in the community is capable of performing this work (
> > > >>> https://git-wip-us.apache.org/repos/asf?p=incubator-hawq-site.git
> ).
> > > >>>
> > > >>> -=e
> > > >>>
> > > >>> On Mon, Jan 16, 2017 at 11:23 PM, Yandong Yao <yy...@pivotal.io>
> > wrote:
> > > >>>
> > > >>>> A few comments
> > > >>>> about HAWQ home page
> > > >>>> after talked with Tim
> > > >>>> who is experienced UX guy
> > > >>>> :
> > > >>>>
> > > >>>> 1) Remove 'More...' link and corresponding section
> > > >>>> 2) Move 'Doc' link to the end of the tab list
> > > >>>> 3) Change 'Source' in download section to a link, instead of
> using a
> > > >>>> big blue button.
> > > >>>>
> > > >>>> Who could help to make those changes?
> > > >>>>
> > > >>>>
> > > >>>>
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > --
> > > > *Ed Espino*
> > > > *espino@apache.org <es...@apache.org>*
> > > >
> > >
> >
> >
> >
> > --
> > *Ed Espino*
> > *espino@apache.org <es...@apache.org>*
> >
>
>
>
> --
> Greg Chase
>
> Product team
> http://www.pivotal.io/big-data
>
> Pivotal Software
> http://www.pivotal.io/
>
> 650-215-0477
> @GregChase
> Blog: http://geekmarketing.biz/
>
--
*Ed Espino*
*espino@apache.org <es...@apache.org>*
Re: About Apache HAWQ home page
Posted by Gregory Chase <gc...@pivotal.io>.
You can share website code as well as regular code if its under an Apache
V2 license.
We liked the CouchDB template as a starting point because it is a fairly
pleasing design, scrolls well for mobile viewing, and looks easy to
maintain.
-Greg
On Tue, Jan 17, 2017 at 8:03 AM, Ed Espino <es...@apache.org> wrote:
> Ahhh ... that's where it came from. Aside from the content, the layout is
> virtually identical between the two projects (Apache CouchDB
> <http://couchdb.apache.org/> and Apache HAWQ <http://hawq.apache.org/>)!
>
> -=e
>
> On Tue, Jan 17, 2017 at 7:56 AM, Greg Chase <gr...@gregchase.com> wrote:
>
> > Having helped create the initial HAWQ design, the basic format was lifted
> > from the CouchDB site. For the "More" section, we removed redundant or
> > unneeded links, and just left some of the Apache related information.
> >
> > Other than the incubator logo and message, I don't know what else is
> > "required" to keep. However I think they are all "nice to have".
> >
> > They don't need to be in their own section. You can always move them to
> > another part oft he page.
> >
> > On Tue, Jan 17, 2017 at 7:20 AM, Ed Espino <es...@apache.org> wrote:
> >
> > > Yandong,
> > >
> > > Thanks for moving this to the dev list for discussion. Any chance Tim
> is
> > > a member of the HAWQ dev community? If not, any chance we can invite
> him
> > to
> > > the discussion. He's one extremely valuable and knowledgeable
> individual
> > (
> > > https://medium.com/tradecraft-traction/64-people-you-
> > > should-know-in-design-f28cf3c2cfaa#.gjrsa3av7)!
> > >
> > > Again, I do not have much context on the design decisions of the
> current
> > > HAWQ website so I might be a bit off with my responses to your three
> > items.
> > >
> > > 1) Remove 'More...' link and corresponding section
> > >
> > > I don't like the idea of removing the "More" section completely. The
> > > section points to the Apache Software Foundation (ASF) links. Many
> other
> > > Apache projects have similar sections. However, they are named
> > something a
> > > bit more appropriately than "More". Here are a few examples.
> > >
> > > - Menu name: "Apache" (right most top-level menu item) -
> > > http://cloudstack.apache.org/ <http://cloudstack.apache.org/>
> > > - Menu name: "Apache Software Foundation" (right most top-level menu
> > > item) - https://accumulo.apache.org/
> > >
> > > Feel free to review additional Apache project home pages (
> > > https://projects.apache.org/projects.html) to get a feel for the
> > > significance of having ASF links (many forms: nav bar, drop-down list,
> > > footer links, etc).
> > >
> > > Option: I'd suggest we rename the section from "More" to "Apache" and
> > > leave it at the far right end.
> > >
> > > 2) Move 'Doc' link to the end of the tab list
> > >
> > > If it is moved, I would move it to the menu section just to the left of
> > > the "More" (hopefully renamed) menu item.
> > >
> > > 3) Change 'Source' in download section to a link, instead of using a
> big
> > > blue button.
> > >
> > > Even though we have a single download at the current time, as the
> project
> > > starts releasing more artifacts (source and binary), it will be
> important
> > > for visitors to select different release versions. I believe the page
> is
> > > designed to support multiple download pages. I'm in favor of leaving
> it
> > as
> > > is for the time being.
> > >
> > > Additional considerations:
> > >
> > > - The top-level menu item changes to a drop down menu as the web
> page
> > > is resized (mobile device support). If we rename/reposition items,
> > this
> > > would have to be taken into account. See attached screenshots for
> > nav bar
> > > and drop-down menu reference.
> > > - Similarly, the page flow is consistent with the nav bar menu item
> > > flow. The page may have to be adjusted to account for this.
> > >
> > > Regards,
> > > -=e
> > >
> > >
> > > On Mon, Jan 16, 2017 at 11:51 PM, Yandong Yao <yy...@pivotal.io> wrote:
> > >
> > >> +dev@hawq for broader discussion
> > >>
> > >> On Tue, Jan 17, 2017 at 3:41 PM, Ed Espino <es...@apache.org> wrote:
> > >>
> > >>> Probably helpful to push this to the dev list for discussion on a new
> > >>> thread. I don't have much if any context on the current layout but
> > other
> > >>> dev members might.
> > >>>
> > >>> I need to remind myself all the time ... we are growing a "dev
> > >>> community" ... "dev community" ... "dev community" ... "dev
> community".
> > >>> Especially as you listed "who could help to make those changes"? I
> > believe
> > >>> any committer in the community is capable of performing this work (
> > >>> https://git-wip-us.apache.org/repos/asf?p=incubator-hawq-site.git).
> > >>>
> > >>> -=e
> > >>>
> > >>> On Mon, Jan 16, 2017 at 11:23 PM, Yandong Yao <yy...@pivotal.io>
> wrote:
> > >>>
> > >>>> A few comments
> > >>>> about HAWQ home page
> > >>>> after talked with Tim
> > >>>> who is experienced UX guy
> > >>>> :
> > >>>>
> > >>>> 1) Remove 'More...' link and corresponding section
> > >>>> 2) Move 'Doc' link to the end of the tab list
> > >>>> 3) Change 'Source' in download section to a link, instead of using a
> > >>>> big blue button.
> > >>>>
> > >>>> Who could help to make those changes?
> > >>>>
> > >>>>
> > >>>>
> > >
> > >
> > > --
> > > *Ed Espino*
> > > *espino@apache.org <es...@apache.org>*
> > >
> >
>
>
>
> --
> *Ed Espino*
> *espino@apache.org <es...@apache.org>*
>
--
Greg Chase
Product team
http://www.pivotal.io/big-data
Pivotal Software
http://www.pivotal.io/
650-215-0477
@GregChase
Blog: http://geekmarketing.biz/
Re: About Apache HAWQ home page
Posted by Ed Espino <es...@apache.org>.
Ahhh ... that's where it came from. Aside from the content, the layout is
virtually identical between the two projects (Apache CouchDB
<http://couchdb.apache.org/> and Apache HAWQ <http://hawq.apache.org/>)!
-=e
On Tue, Jan 17, 2017 at 7:56 AM, Greg Chase <gr...@gregchase.com> wrote:
> Having helped create the initial HAWQ design, the basic format was lifted
> from the CouchDB site. For the "More" section, we removed redundant or
> unneeded links, and just left some of the Apache related information.
>
> Other than the incubator logo and message, I don't know what else is
> "required" to keep. However I think they are all "nice to have".
>
> They don't need to be in their own section. You can always move them to
> another part oft he page.
>
> On Tue, Jan 17, 2017 at 7:20 AM, Ed Espino <es...@apache.org> wrote:
>
> > Yandong,
> >
> > Thanks for moving this to the dev list for discussion. Any chance Tim is
> > a member of the HAWQ dev community? If not, any chance we can invite him
> to
> > the discussion. He's one extremely valuable and knowledgeable individual
> (
> > https://medium.com/tradecraft-traction/64-people-you-
> > should-know-in-design-f28cf3c2cfaa#.gjrsa3av7)!
> >
> > Again, I do not have much context on the design decisions of the current
> > HAWQ website so I might be a bit off with my responses to your three
> items.
> >
> > 1) Remove 'More...' link and corresponding section
> >
> > I don't like the idea of removing the "More" section completely. The
> > section points to the Apache Software Foundation (ASF) links. Many other
> > Apache projects have similar sections. However, they are named
> something a
> > bit more appropriately than "More". Here are a few examples.
> >
> > - Menu name: "Apache" (right most top-level menu item) -
> > http://cloudstack.apache.org/ <http://cloudstack.apache.org/>
> > - Menu name: "Apache Software Foundation" (right most top-level menu
> > item) - https://accumulo.apache.org/
> >
> > Feel free to review additional Apache project home pages (
> > https://projects.apache.org/projects.html) to get a feel for the
> > significance of having ASF links (many forms: nav bar, drop-down list,
> > footer links, etc).
> >
> > Option: I'd suggest we rename the section from "More" to "Apache" and
> > leave it at the far right end.
> >
> > 2) Move 'Doc' link to the end of the tab list
> >
> > If it is moved, I would move it to the menu section just to the left of
> > the "More" (hopefully renamed) menu item.
> >
> > 3) Change 'Source' in download section to a link, instead of using a big
> > blue button.
> >
> > Even though we have a single download at the current time, as the project
> > starts releasing more artifacts (source and binary), it will be important
> > for visitors to select different release versions. I believe the page is
> > designed to support multiple download pages. I'm in favor of leaving it
> as
> > is for the time being.
> >
> > Additional considerations:
> >
> > - The top-level menu item changes to a drop down menu as the web page
> > is resized (mobile device support). If we rename/reposition items,
> this
> > would have to be taken into account. See attached screenshots for
> nav bar
> > and drop-down menu reference.
> > - Similarly, the page flow is consistent with the nav bar menu item
> > flow. The page may have to be adjusted to account for this.
> >
> > Regards,
> > -=e
> >
> >
> > On Mon, Jan 16, 2017 at 11:51 PM, Yandong Yao <yy...@pivotal.io> wrote:
> >
> >> +dev@hawq for broader discussion
> >>
> >> On Tue, Jan 17, 2017 at 3:41 PM, Ed Espino <es...@apache.org> wrote:
> >>
> >>> Probably helpful to push this to the dev list for discussion on a new
> >>> thread. I don't have much if any context on the current layout but
> other
> >>> dev members might.
> >>>
> >>> I need to remind myself all the time ... we are growing a "dev
> >>> community" ... "dev community" ... "dev community" ... "dev community".
> >>> Especially as you listed "who could help to make those changes"? I
> believe
> >>> any committer in the community is capable of performing this work (
> >>> https://git-wip-us.apache.org/repos/asf?p=incubator-hawq-site.git).
> >>>
> >>> -=e
> >>>
> >>> On Mon, Jan 16, 2017 at 11:23 PM, Yandong Yao <yy...@pivotal.io> wrote:
> >>>
> >>>> A few comments
> >>>> about HAWQ home page
> >>>> after talked with Tim
> >>>> who is experienced UX guy
> >>>> :
> >>>>
> >>>> 1) Remove 'More...' link and corresponding section
> >>>> 2) Move 'Doc' link to the end of the tab list
> >>>> 3) Change 'Source' in download section to a link, instead of using a
> >>>> big blue button.
> >>>>
> >>>> Who could help to make those changes?
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >
> >
> > --
> > *Ed Espino*
> > *espino@apache.org <es...@apache.org>*
> >
>
--
*Ed Espino*
*espino@apache.org <es...@apache.org>*
Re: About Apache HAWQ home page
Posted by Greg Chase <gr...@gregchase.com>.
Having helped create the initial HAWQ design, the basic format was lifted
from the CouchDB site. For the "More" section, we removed redundant or
unneeded links, and just left some of the Apache related information.
Other than the incubator logo and message, I don't know what else is
"required" to keep. However I think they are all "nice to have".
They don't need to be in their own section. You can always move them to
another part oft he page.
On Tue, Jan 17, 2017 at 7:20 AM, Ed Espino <es...@apache.org> wrote:
> Yandong,
>
> Thanks for moving this to the dev list for discussion. Any chance Tim is
> a member of the HAWQ dev community? If not, any chance we can invite him to
> the discussion. He's one extremely valuable and knowledgeable individual (
> https://medium.com/tradecraft-traction/64-people-you-
> should-know-in-design-f28cf3c2cfaa#.gjrsa3av7)!
>
> Again, I do not have much context on the design decisions of the current
> HAWQ website so I might be a bit off with my responses to your three items.
>
> 1) Remove 'More...' link and corresponding section
>
> I don't like the idea of removing the "More" section completely. The
> section points to the Apache Software Foundation (ASF) links. Many other
> Apache projects have similar sections. However, they are named something a
> bit more appropriately than "More". Here are a few examples.
>
> - Menu name: "Apache" (right most top-level menu item) -
> http://cloudstack.apache.org/ <http://cloudstack.apache.org/>
> - Menu name: "Apache Software Foundation" (right most top-level menu
> item) - https://accumulo.apache.org/
>
> Feel free to review additional Apache project home pages (
> https://projects.apache.org/projects.html) to get a feel for the
> significance of having ASF links (many forms: nav bar, drop-down list,
> footer links, etc).
>
> Option: I'd suggest we rename the section from "More" to "Apache" and
> leave it at the far right end.
>
> 2) Move 'Doc' link to the end of the tab list
>
> If it is moved, I would move it to the menu section just to the left of
> the "More" (hopefully renamed) menu item.
>
> 3) Change 'Source' in download section to a link, instead of using a big
> blue button.
>
> Even though we have a single download at the current time, as the project
> starts releasing more artifacts (source and binary), it will be important
> for visitors to select different release versions. I believe the page is
> designed to support multiple download pages. I'm in favor of leaving it as
> is for the time being.
>
> Additional considerations:
>
> - The top-level menu item changes to a drop down menu as the web page
> is resized (mobile device support). If we rename/reposition items, this
> would have to be taken into account. See attached screenshots for nav bar
> and drop-down menu reference.
> - Similarly, the page flow is consistent with the nav bar menu item
> flow. The page may have to be adjusted to account for this.
>
> Regards,
> -=e
>
>
> On Mon, Jan 16, 2017 at 11:51 PM, Yandong Yao <yy...@pivotal.io> wrote:
>
>> +dev@hawq for broader discussion
>>
>> On Tue, Jan 17, 2017 at 3:41 PM, Ed Espino <es...@apache.org> wrote:
>>
>>> Probably helpful to push this to the dev list for discussion on a new
>>> thread. I don't have much if any context on the current layout but other
>>> dev members might.
>>>
>>> I need to remind myself all the time ... we are growing a "dev
>>> community" ... "dev community" ... "dev community" ... "dev community".
>>> Especially as you listed "who could help to make those changes"? I believe
>>> any committer in the community is capable of performing this work (
>>> https://git-wip-us.apache.org/repos/asf?p=incubator-hawq-site.git).
>>>
>>> -=e
>>>
>>> On Mon, Jan 16, 2017 at 11:23 PM, Yandong Yao <yy...@pivotal.io> wrote:
>>>
>>>> A few comments
>>>> about HAWQ home page
>>>> after talked with Tim
>>>> who is experienced UX guy
>>>> :
>>>>
>>>> 1) Remove 'More...' link and corresponding section
>>>> 2) Move 'Doc' link to the end of the tab list
>>>> 3) Change 'Source' in download section to a link, instead of using a
>>>> big blue button.
>>>>
>>>> Who could help to make those changes?
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>
>
> --
> *Ed Espino*
> *espino@apache.org <es...@apache.org>*
>
Re: About Apache HAWQ home page
Posted by Ed Espino <es...@apache.org>.
Yandong,
Thanks for moving this to the dev list for discussion. Any chance Tim is a
member of the HAWQ dev community? If not, any chance we can invite him to
the discussion. He's one extremely valuable and knowledgeable individual (
https://medium.com/tradecraft-traction/64-people-you-should-know-in-design-
f28cf3c2cfaa#.gjrsa3av7)!
Again, I do not have much context on the design decisions of the current
HAWQ website so I might be a bit off with my responses to your three items.
1) Remove 'More...' link and corresponding section
I don't like the idea of removing the "More" section completely. The
section points to the Apache Software Foundation (ASF) links. Many other
Apache projects have similar sections. However, they are named something a
bit more appropriately than "More". Here are a few examples.
- Menu name: "Apache" (right most top-level menu item) -
http://cloudstack.apache.org/ <http://cloudstack.apache.org/>
- Menu name: "Apache Software Foundation" (right most top-level menu
item) - https://accumulo.apache.org/
Feel free to review additional Apache project home pages (
https://projects.apache.org/projects.html) to get a feel for the
significance of having ASF links (many forms: nav bar, drop-down list,
footer links, etc).
Option: I'd suggest we rename the section from "More" to "Apache" and leave
it at the far right end.
2) Move 'Doc' link to the end of the tab list
If it is moved, I would move it to the menu section just to the left of the
"More" (hopefully renamed) menu item.
3) Change 'Source' in download section to a link, instead of using a big
blue button.
Even though we have a single download at the current time, as the project
starts releasing more artifacts (source and binary), it will be important
for visitors to select different release versions. I believe the page is
designed to support multiple download pages. I'm in favor of leaving it as
is for the time being.
Additional considerations:
- The top-level menu item changes to a drop down menu as the web page is
resized (mobile device support). If we rename/reposition items, this would
have to be taken into account. See attached screenshots for nav bar and
drop-down menu reference.
- Similarly, the page flow is consistent with the nav bar menu item
flow. The page may have to be adjusted to account for this.
Regards,
-=e
On Mon, Jan 16, 2017 at 11:51 PM, Yandong Yao <yy...@pivotal.io> wrote:
> +dev@hawq for broader discussion
>
> On Tue, Jan 17, 2017 at 3:41 PM, Ed Espino <es...@apache.org> wrote:
>
>> Probably helpful to push this to the dev list for discussion on a new
>> thread. I don't have much if any context on the current layout but other
>> dev members might.
>>
>> I need to remind myself all the time ... we are growing a "dev community"
>> ... "dev community" ... "dev community" ... "dev community". Especially as
>> you listed "who could help to make those changes"? I believe any committer
>> in the community is capable of performing this work (
>> https://git-wip-us.apache.org/repos/asf?p=incubator-hawq-site.git).
>>
>> -=e
>>
>> On Mon, Jan 16, 2017 at 11:23 PM, Yandong Yao <yy...@pivotal.io> wrote:
>>
>>> A few comments
>>> about HAWQ home page
>>> after talked with Tim
>>> who is experienced UX guy
>>> :
>>>
>>> 1) Remove 'More...' link and corresponding section
>>> 2) Move 'Doc' link to the end of the tab list
>>> 3) Change 'Source' in download section to a link, instead of using a big
>>> blue button.
>>>
>>> Who could help to make those changes?
>>>
>>>
>>>
--
*Ed Espino*
*espino@apache.org <es...@apache.org>*
Re: About Apache HAWQ home page
Posted by Roman Shaposhnik <rs...@pivotal.io>.
On Tue, Jan 17, 2017 at 6:28 AM, Dmitry Buzolin
<Dm...@theice.com> wrote:
> I can take care of this, although I am not a HAWQ developer :)
> Please point me to the corresponding Jira entry if any.
Dmitry, I don't think there's an existing JIRA but you're super welcome to file
one (and officially turn into Apache HAWQ (incubating) contributor ;-)).
Thanks,
Roman.
RE: About Apache HAWQ home page
Posted by Dmitry Buzolin <Dm...@theice.com>.
I can take care of this, although I am not a HAWQ developer :)
Please point me to the corresponding Jira entry if any.
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Subject: Re: About Apache HAWQ home page
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On Tue, Jan 17, 2017 at 3:41 PM, Ed Espino <es...@apache.org> wrote:
> Probably helpful to push this to the dev list for discussion on a new
> thread. I don't have much if any context on the current layout but other
> dev members might.
>
> I need to remind myself all the time ... we are growing a "dev community"
> ... "dev community" ... "dev community" ... "dev community". Especially as
> you listed "who could help to make those changes"? I believe any committer
> in the community is capable of performing this work (
> https://git-wip-us.apache.org/repos/asf?p=incubator-hawq-site.git).
>
> -=e
>
> On Mon, Jan 16, 2017 at 11:23 PM, Yandong Yao <yy...@pivotal.io> wrote:
>
>> A few comments
>> about HAWQ home page
>> after talked with Tim
>> who is experienced UX guy
>> :
>>
>> 1) Remove 'More...' link and corresponding section
>> 2) Move 'Doc' link to the end of the tab list
>> 3) Change 'Source' in download section to a link, instead of using a big
>> blue button.
>>
>> Who could help to make those changes?
>>
>>
>>
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