Fwd: Fwd: [ISIS] Re: Conference call

[Siegfried Goeschl <si...@it20one.at>]

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Subject: Fwd: [ISIS] Re: Conference call
Date: Sat, 20 Nov 2010 19:36:30 +0100
From: Siegfried Goeschl <si...@it20one.at>
Reply-To: general@incubator.apache.org,	siegfried.goeschl@it20one.at
Organization: IT20one GmbH
To: general@incubator.apache.org

Hi folks,

forwarding my comment regarding the Skype discussion on
general@incubation to keep you in the loop ... :-)

Cheers,

Siegfried Goeschl


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Subject: [ISIS] Re: Conference call
Date: Fri, 19 Nov 2010 23:41:01 +0100
From: Siegfried Goeschl <si...@it20one.at>
Reply-To: general@incubator.apache.org,	siegfried.goeschl@it20one.at
Organization: IT20one GmbH
To: general@incubator.apache.org

Hi folks,

open source projects are done by individuals. And individuals like to
communicate during long & lonely nights in front of the keyboard. And
meeting the other ISIS developers is difficult since the are spread
around the globe.

So if the ISIS developer/users/mentors/community decide to run a regular
Skype meeting to meet each other electronically assuming

+) that the meeting is announced on the dev list

+) that we not exclude any interested party (apart from troll feeding)

+) that no official statement/vote is circumvented

than I don't see any good reason why someone could complain about it
and/or impose rules how to organize such a "come together".

Speaking as one of the participants

+) I was impressed by Dan's energy to organize the meeting

+) I was delighted that we were a dozen developers on Skype

*) I was glad to answer a few questions about the ASF (despite being
seriously distracted by my two daughters on my lap)


Cheers,

Siegfried Goeschl
Apache ISIS Mentor

On 11/19/10 10:52 PM, Craig L Russell wrote:
>
> On Nov 19, 2010, at 11:04 AM, Greg Stein wrote:
>
>> A full transcription shouldn't be necessary.
>
> I agree. Transcript is too strong for what I think needs to be done,
> which is...
>
>> Just bring a summary of
>> discussion points back to the list, along with any recommendations.
>> The list can then sort through it and make decisions.
>
> What you said. Not a transcript but a list of topics and discussion
> points which continue on list.
>
> Craig
>>
>> We have off-list discussions all the time (IM, IRC, in-person). We
>> don't transcribe those. We just bring the discussion onto the list for
>> wrapping it up with everybody present. Skype concalls are no different
>> than these other forums.
>>
>> Cheers,
>> -g
>>
>> On Fri, Nov 19, 2010 at 13:18, Craig L Russell
>> <cr...@oracle.com> wrote:
>>> My $0.02:
>>>
>>> The business of Apache is conducted on email.
>>>
>>> It's fine to have a periodic conference call among interested project
>>> participants, as long as (my list, not normative):
>>>
>>> no project or community member is excluded (e.g. by posting the call
>>> information only to a private list)
>>>
>>> no decisions are made during the call
>>>
>>> all topics discussed are subsequently posted via email to the project
>>> members
>>>
>>> Having an audio transcript is interesting but doesn't pass my email
>>> test. So
>>> I'd have to say that someone needs to transcribe the audio into email.
>>>
>>> Craig
>>>
>>> On Nov 19, 2010, at 9:29 AM, James Carman wrote:
>>>
>>>> I don't know about this. Whatever we do has to be trackable and
>>>> "open", so I don't know about this Skype stuff. Requiring folks to
>>>> watch a video or listen to an audio recording rather than reading a
>>>> transcript is probably not a good idea. I'm copying the general list
>>>> to see what others have to say.
>>>>
>>>> On Fri, Nov 19, 2010 at 10:20 AM, Mohammad Nour El-Din
>>>> <no...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> Good idea
>>>>>
>>>>> +1 on the Skype monthly meeting.
>>>>>
>>>>> On Fri, Nov 19, 2010 at 11:14 AM, Alexander Krasnukhin
>>>>> <th...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> At least it makes me feel ISIS is really going somewhere. I don't
>>>>>> know
>>>>>> how
>>>>>> to explain this. E.g. there are some real ALIVE people involved :).
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Monthly is good.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On Fri, Nov 19, 2010 at 12:05 PM, Mike Burton
>>>>>> <mi...@mycosystems.co.uk>wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Yes very useful interesting and enjoyable, thanks for organising it.
>>>>>>> Yes
>>>>>>> monthly similar would be good.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Mike
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On 19 Nov 2010, at 10:49, Dan Haywood <dk...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> First off, thanks to all for attending, and I really enjoyed the
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> opportunity. Hope it was useful. It was nice, actually, to read the
>>>>>>> transcript on the Skype IM call afterwards (I didn't get the oppo
>>>>>>> to do
>>>>>>> that
>>>>>>> while I was demo'ing).
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Second, my apols that I didn't have the demo working. Of course,
>>>>>>>> after
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> the call finished I figured out the problem in about 2 minutes.
>>>>>>> At any
>>>>>>> rate, the details on running the demo for yourselves are on the
>>>>>>> "SmokeTest"
>>>>>>> page on the wiki [1].
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Third, per a recording, like Kevin I also recorded the call using
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> CallGraph, though mine seems to have recorded ok. It's about 92Mb,
>>>>>>> recorded it in stereo, and what Skype did is distribute the voices
>>>>>>> across
>>>>>>> the spectrum, which I think is quite nice. Anyway, I've just
>>>>>>> uploaded
>>>>>>> it to
>>>>>>> my dropbox account and I'll post the URL on isis-private. (If you
>>>>>>> aren't
>>>>>>> subscribed there, contact me directly).
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Lastly, it'd be nice to do a similar call like that now and
>>>>>>>> again. We
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> could perhaps set one up every month, attendance purely optional.
>>>>>>> Thoughts?
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Cheers
>>>>>>>> Dan
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> [1] https://cwiki.apache.org/ISIS/smoketest.html
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> On 18/11/2010 20:08, Kevin Meyer - KMZ wrote:
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Hi Dan,
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Thanks for organizing the call.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> I was not able to record the entire call - Of the 56 minutes
>>>>>>>>> captured, a
>>>>>>>>> lot of it is silence. I'm not sure if it is an issue with the
>>>>>>>>> app or
>>>>>>>>> my
>>>>>>>>> machine.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Anyway, thanks to all who participated, it was good to be able to
>>>>>>>>> associate voices with the emails.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Regards,
>>>>>>>>> Kevin
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> --
>>>>>> Regards,
>>>>>> Alexander
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> --
>>>>> Thanks
>>>>> - Mohammad Nour
>>>>> Author of (WebSphere Application Server Community Edition 2.0 User
>>>>> Guide)
>>>>> http://www.redbooks.ibm.com/abstracts/sg247585.html
>>>>> - LinkedIn: http://www.linkedin.com/in/mnour
>>>>> - Blog: http://tadabborat.blogspot.com
>>>>> ----
>>>>> "Life is like riding a bicycle. To keep your balance you must keep
>>>>> moving"
>>>>> - Albert Einstein
>>>>>
>>>>> "Writing clean code is what you must do in order to call yourself a
>>>>> professional. There is no reasonable excuse for doing anything less
>>>>> than your best."
>>>>> - Clean Code: A Handbook of Agile Software Craftsmanship
>>>>>
>>>>> "Stay hungry, stay foolish."
>>>>> - Steve Jobs
>>>>>
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>>> Craig L Russell
>>> Architect, Oracle
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>>>
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