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Posted to users@trafficserver.apache.org by Bryan Call <bc...@apache.org> on 2019/05/10 23:45:26 UTC
[PROPOSAL] Move from the IRC to Slack
I would like to propose that we move from the IRC to Slack for IM communication by June 1st. This is in response to ASF moving to Slack for Infra and other channels and spamming that has happened on the IRC over the last year.
This would require that people without an apache.org email address to be invited. We would keep the IRC channel open after the migration to notify people of the Slack channel.
Link to the ASF Workspace:
https://the-asf.slack.com <https://the-asf.slack.com/>
Channel on Slack:
#traffic-server
-Bryan
Re: [PROPOSAL] Move from the IRC to Slack
Posted by John Rushford <jj...@gmail.com>.
+1
> On May 10, 2019, at 8:20 PM, Leif Hedstrom <zw...@apache.org> wrote:
>
> +1
>
>> On May 10, 2019, at 17:45, Bryan Call <bc...@apache.org> wrote:
>>
>> I would like to propose that we move from the IRC to Slack for IM communication by June 1st. This is in response to ASF moving to Slack for Infra and other channels and spamming that has happened on the IRC over the last year.
>>
>> This would require that people without an apache.org email address to be invited. We would keep the IRC channel open after the migration to notify people of the Slack channel.
>>
>> Link to the ASF Workspace:
>> https://the-asf.slack.com
>>
>> Channel on Slack:
>> #traffic-server
>>
>> -Bryan
>>
>>
>>
Re: [PROPOSAL] Move from the IRC to Slack
Posted by John Rushford <jj...@gmail.com>.
+1
> On May 10, 2019, at 8:20 PM, Leif Hedstrom <zw...@apache.org> wrote:
>
> +1
>
>> On May 10, 2019, at 17:45, Bryan Call <bc...@apache.org> wrote:
>>
>> I would like to propose that we move from the IRC to Slack for IM communication by June 1st. This is in response to ASF moving to Slack for Infra and other channels and spamming that has happened on the IRC over the last year.
>>
>> This would require that people without an apache.org email address to be invited. We would keep the IRC channel open after the migration to notify people of the Slack channel.
>>
>> Link to the ASF Workspace:
>> https://the-asf.slack.com
>>
>> Channel on Slack:
>> #traffic-server
>>
>> -Bryan
>>
>>
>>
Re: [PROPOSAL] Move from the IRC to Slack
Posted by Leif Hedstrom <zw...@apache.org>.
+1
> On May 10, 2019, at 17:45, Bryan Call <bc...@apache.org> wrote:
>
> I would like to propose that we move from the IRC to Slack for IM communication by June 1st. This is in response to ASF moving to Slack for Infra and other channels and spamming that has happened on the IRC over the last year.
>
> This would require that people without an apache.org email address to be invited. We would keep the IRC channel open after the migration to notify people of the Slack channel.
>
> Link to the ASF Workspace:
> https://the-asf.slack.com
>
> Channel on Slack:
> #traffic-server
>
> -Bryan
>
>
>
Re: [PROPOSAL] Move from the IRC to Slack
Posted by Leif Hedstrom <zw...@apache.org>.
> On May 11, 2019, at 12:57 PM, Evan Zelkowitz <ez...@apache.org> wrote:
>
> +1
>
> Though it would be nice if there was an easier way to get new people
> in rather than having to manually invite them. My only worry is people
> who just want to ask a question dont have an easy way to be able to
> get in. So maybe there should be some change on the site to notify
> that they should request access on the mailing list or something like
> that
>
All @apache.org people can automatically join. The filter is reasonable IMO, since it avoids the massive spam issues we’ve had in IRC.
But agreed, we should update the IRC Subject, and update the main https://trafficserver.apache.org/ <https://trafficserver.apache.org/> site to indicate this move, and the process to get an invite for non-apache.org <http://non-apache.org/> people.
Cheers,
— Leif
> On Fri, May 10, 2019 at 5:45 PM Bryan Call <bc...@apache.org> wrote:
>>
>> I would like to propose that we move from the IRC to Slack for IM communication by June 1st. This is in response to ASF moving to Slack for Infra and other channels and spamming that has happened on the IRC over the last year.
>>
>> This would require that people without an apache.org email address to be invited. We would keep the IRC channel open after the migration to notify people of the Slack channel.
>>
>> Link to the ASF Workspace:
>> https://the-asf.slack.com <https://the-asf.slack.com/>
>>
>> Channel on Slack:
>> #traffic-server
>>
>> -Bryan
>>
>>
>>
Re: [EXTERNAL] Re: [PROPOSAL] Move from the IRC to Slack
Posted by "Fieck, Brennan" <Br...@comcast.com>.
Dang, another win for proprietary software :(
________________________________
From: Alan Carroll <so...@verizonmedia.com>
Sent: Wednesday, May 15, 2019 9:14 AM
To: users@trafficserver.apache.org
Subject: [EXTERNAL] Re: [PROPOSAL] Move from the IRC to Slack
The problem is, we're moving to slack because of the ASF, not as a project level decision. If we're not going to be consistent with the ASF as a whole, I'd prefer staying on IRC.
On Tue, May 14, 2019 at 8:50 AM Fieck, Brennan <Br...@comcast.com>> wrote:
I'd just like to throw Rocket.chat out there as a FOSS alternative to Slack
that (probably) supports all of the same things desired of from Slack.
Support for voice chat is a little spotty, but I don't think anyone cares for
this project since likely no one would even want to use that feature of Slack
anyway. Plus it supports REAL markdown formatting :P
Just a suggestion.
________________________________________
From: Steven R. Feltner <sf...@godaddy.com>>
Sent: Monday, May 13, 2019 10:28 AM
To: users@trafficserver.apache.org<ma...@trafficserver.apache.org>
Subject: [EXTERNAL] Re: [PROPOSAL] Move from the IRC to Slack
On 5/12/19, 11:49 AM, "Leif Hedstrom" <zw...@apache.org>> wrote:
> > On May 12, 2019, at 09:23, Jan Schaumann <js...@netmeister.org>> wrote:
> >
> > Leif Hedstrom <zw...@apache.org>> wrote:
> >
> >> You think it?s a serious burden to send an email to
> >> e.g. users@ or dev@ and ask for an invite?
> >
> > For people who are part of the community already, this
> > isn't an issue, but I do believe that this raises the
> > barrier to entry for newcomers. As a data point, _I_
> > wouldn't bother requesting an invite. Not that I am
> > anything but a very, very sleepy lurker here, but I
> > suppose that's my point - I won't get more engaged if
> > I have to sign up for anything.
> >
> > For many open source projects, if I can't quickly get
> > in touch with developers without having to sign up for
> > anything, I'll simply not reach out, won't report
> > issues nor participate in the community.
>
> Well, you still have to register to be on the mailing lists or on Github to file issues. Again, this has not changed. Maybe people got an >impression that IRC is/was the official channel for community and developer interaction, or filing issues? If so, I'm sorry if we mislead >everyone, but that was never the case, and will never be the case with Slack either. Moving to the official ASF slack workspace, as >proposed by Bryan, seemed like the obvious thing to do, being supported by the ASF and the infra team.
>
> We have the option to not use IRC or Slack if that's preferable, and make it clear that Github Issues/PRs and mailing list are the >official communication channels. I'm ok with that as well.
>
> Cheers,
>
> - Leif
On another OS project I keep tabs on, they use a bot that allows you to be in either Slack or irc. Messages are rebroadcast between both social channels.
Would it be possible to implement something like this during a transition phase until most everyone is used to using slack, and even then leave the irc channel open so any newcomers could still post a question? Change the irc channel topic to something along the lines of "You can now find us in slack...".
Thanks,
Steven
Re: [PROPOSAL] Move from the IRC to Slack
Posted by Alan Carroll <so...@verizonmedia.com>.
The problem is, we're moving to slack because of the ASF, not as a project
level decision. If we're not going to be consistent with the ASF as a
whole, I'd prefer staying on IRC.
On Tue, May 14, 2019 at 8:50 AM Fieck, Brennan <Br...@comcast.com>
wrote:
> I'd just like to throw Rocket.chat out there as a FOSS alternative to Slack
> that (probably) supports all of the same things desired of from Slack.
> Support for voice chat is a little spotty, but I don't think anyone cares
> for
> this project since likely no one would even want to use that feature of
> Slack
> anyway. Plus it supports REAL markdown formatting :P
>
> Just a suggestion.
> ________________________________________
> From: Steven R. Feltner <sf...@godaddy.com>
> Sent: Monday, May 13, 2019 10:28 AM
> To: users@trafficserver.apache.org
> Subject: [EXTERNAL] Re: [PROPOSAL] Move from the IRC to Slack
>
> On 5/12/19, 11:49 AM, "Leif Hedstrom" <zw...@apache.org> wrote:
> > > On May 12, 2019, at 09:23, Jan Schaumann <js...@netmeister.org>
> wrote:
> > >
> > > Leif Hedstrom <zw...@apache.org> wrote:
> > >
> > >> You think it?s a serious burden to send an email to
> > >> e.g. users@ or dev@ and ask for an invite?
> > >
> > > For people who are part of the community already, this
> > > isn't an issue, but I do believe that this raises the
> > > barrier to entry for newcomers. As a data point, _I_
> > > wouldn't bother requesting an invite. Not that I am
> > > anything but a very, very sleepy lurker here, but I
> > > suppose that's my point - I won't get more engaged if
> > > I have to sign up for anything.
> > >
> > > For many open source projects, if I can't quickly get
> > > in touch with developers without having to sign up for
> > > anything, I'll simply not reach out, won't report
> > > issues nor participate in the community.
> >
> > Well, you still have to register to be on the mailing lists or on
> Github to file issues. Again, this has not changed. Maybe people got an
> >impression that IRC is/was the official channel for community and
> developer interaction, or filing issues? If so, I’m sorry if we mislead
> >everyone, but that was never the case, and will never be the case with
> Slack either. Moving to the official ASF slack workspace, as >proposed by
> Bryan, seemed like the obvious thing to do, being supported by the ASF and
> the infra team.
> >
> > We have the option to not use IRC or Slack if that’s preferable, and
> make it clear that Github Issues/PRs and mailing list are the >official
> communication channels. I’m ok with that as well.
> >
> > Cheers,
> >
> > — Leif
>
> On another OS project I keep tabs on, they use a bot that allows you to be
> in either Slack or irc. Messages are rebroadcast between both social
> channels.
>
> Would it be possible to implement something like this during a transition
> phase until most everyone is used to using slack, and even then leave the
> irc channel open so any newcomers could still post a question? Change the
> irc channel topic to something along the lines of "You can now find us in
> slack...".
>
> Thanks,
> Steven
>
>
>
Re: [PROPOSAL] Move from the IRC to Slack
Posted by "Fieck, Brennan" <Br...@comcast.com>.
I'd just like to throw Rocket.chat out there as a FOSS alternative to Slack
that (probably) supports all of the same things desired of from Slack.
Support for voice chat is a little spotty, but I don't think anyone cares for
this project since likely no one would even want to use that feature of Slack
anyway. Plus it supports REAL markdown formatting :P
Just a suggestion.
________________________________________
From: Steven R. Feltner <sf...@godaddy.com>
Sent: Monday, May 13, 2019 10:28 AM
To: users@trafficserver.apache.org
Subject: [EXTERNAL] Re: [PROPOSAL] Move from the IRC to Slack
On 5/12/19, 11:49 AM, "Leif Hedstrom" <zw...@apache.org> wrote:
> > On May 12, 2019, at 09:23, Jan Schaumann <js...@netmeister.org> wrote:
> >
> > Leif Hedstrom <zw...@apache.org> wrote:
> >
> >> You think it?s a serious burden to send an email to
> >> e.g. users@ or dev@ and ask for an invite?
> >
> > For people who are part of the community already, this
> > isn't an issue, but I do believe that this raises the
> > barrier to entry for newcomers. As a data point, _I_
> > wouldn't bother requesting an invite. Not that I am
> > anything but a very, very sleepy lurker here, but I
> > suppose that's my point - I won't get more engaged if
> > I have to sign up for anything.
> >
> > For many open source projects, if I can't quickly get
> > in touch with developers without having to sign up for
> > anything, I'll simply not reach out, won't report
> > issues nor participate in the community.
>
> Well, you still have to register to be on the mailing lists or on Github to file issues. Again, this has not changed. Maybe people got an >impression that IRC is/was the official channel for community and developer interaction, or filing issues? If so, I’m sorry if we mislead >everyone, but that was never the case, and will never be the case with Slack either. Moving to the official ASF slack workspace, as >proposed by Bryan, seemed like the obvious thing to do, being supported by the ASF and the infra team.
>
> We have the option to not use IRC or Slack if that’s preferable, and make it clear that Github Issues/PRs and mailing list are the >official communication channels. I’m ok with that as well.
>
> Cheers,
>
> — Leif
On another OS project I keep tabs on, they use a bot that allows you to be in either Slack or irc. Messages are rebroadcast between both social channels.
Would it be possible to implement something like this during a transition phase until most everyone is used to using slack, and even then leave the irc channel open so any newcomers could still post a question? Change the irc channel topic to something along the lines of "You can now find us in slack...".
Thanks,
Steven
Re: [PROPOSAL] Move from the IRC to Slack
Posted by "Steven R. Feltner" <sf...@godaddy.com>.
On 5/12/19, 11:49 AM, "Leif Hedstrom" <zw...@apache.org> wrote:
> > On May 12, 2019, at 09:23, Jan Schaumann <js...@netmeister.org> wrote:
> >
> > Leif Hedstrom <zw...@apache.org> wrote:
> >
> >> You think it?s a serious burden to send an email to
> >> e.g. users@ or dev@ and ask for an invite?
> >
> > For people who are part of the community already, this
> > isn't an issue, but I do believe that this raises the
> > barrier to entry for newcomers. As a data point, _I_
> > wouldn't bother requesting an invite. Not that I am
> > anything but a very, very sleepy lurker here, but I
> > suppose that's my point - I won't get more engaged if
> > I have to sign up for anything.
> >
> > For many open source projects, if I can't quickly get
> > in touch with developers without having to sign up for
> > anything, I'll simply not reach out, won't report
> > issues nor participate in the community.
>
> Well, you still have to register to be on the mailing lists or on Github to file issues. Again, this has not changed. Maybe people got an >impression that IRC is/was the official channel for community and developer interaction, or filing issues? If so, I’m sorry if we mislead >everyone, but that was never the case, and will never be the case with Slack either. Moving to the official ASF slack workspace, as >proposed by Bryan, seemed like the obvious thing to do, being supported by the ASF and the infra team.
>
> We have the option to not use IRC or Slack if that’s preferable, and make it clear that Github Issues/PRs and mailing list are the >official communication channels. I’m ok with that as well.
>
> Cheers,
>
> — Leif
On another OS project I keep tabs on, they use a bot that allows you to be in either Slack or irc. Messages are rebroadcast between both social channels.
Would it be possible to implement something like this during a transition phase until most everyone is used to using slack, and even then leave the irc channel open so any newcomers could still post a question? Change the irc channel topic to something along the lines of "You can now find us in slack...".
Thanks,
Steven
Re: [PROPOSAL] Move from the IRC to Slack
Posted by Leif Hedstrom <zw...@apache.org>.
> On May 12, 2019, at 09:23, Jan Schaumann <js...@netmeister.org> wrote:
>
> Leif Hedstrom <zw...@apache.org> wrote:
>
>> You think it?s a serious burden to send an email to
>> e.g. users@ or dev@ and ask for an invite?
>
> For people who are part of the community already, this
> isn't an issue, but I do believe that this raises the
> barrier to entry for newcomers. As a data point, _I_
> wouldn't bother requesting an invite. Not that I am
> anything but a very, very sleepy lurker here, but I
> suppose that's my point - I won't get more engaged if
> I have to sign up for anything.
>
> For many open source projects, if I can't quickly get
> in touch with developers without having to sign up for
> anything, I'll simply not reach out, won't report
> issues nor participate in the community.
Well, you still have to register to be on the mailing lists or on Github to file issues. Again, this has not changed. Maybe people got an impression that IRC is/was the official channel for community and developer interaction, or filing issues? If so, I’m sorry if we mislead everyone, but that was never the case, and will never be the case with Slack either. Moving to the official ASF slack workspace, as proposed by Bryan, seemed like the obvious thing to do, being supported by the ASF and the infra team.
We have the option to not use IRC or Slack if that’s preferable, and make it clear that Github Issues/PRs and mailing list are the official communication channels. I’m ok with that as well.
Cheers,
— Leif
>
> -Jan, going back to sleepy lurker mode in 3... 2... 1...
Re: [PROPOSAL] Move from the IRC to Slack
Posted by Jan Schaumann <js...@netmeister.org>.
Leif Hedstrom <zw...@apache.org> wrote:
> You think it?s a serious burden to send an email to
> e.g. users@ or dev@ and ask for an invite?
For people who are part of the community already, this
isn't an issue, but I do believe that this raises the
barrier to entry for newcomers. As a data point, _I_
wouldn't bother requesting an invite. Not that I am
anything but a very, very sleepy lurker here, but I
suppose that's my point - I won't get more engaged if
I have to sign up for anything.
For many open source projects, if I can't quickly get
in touch with developers without having to sign up for
anything, I'll simply not reach out, won't report
issues nor participate in the community.
-Jan, going back to sleepy lurker mode in 3... 2... 1...
Re: [PROPOSAL] Move from the IRC to Slack
Posted by Fei Deng <du...@apache.org>.
+1
Already using slack for work, would be nice to use one client for all the
chats.
On Sun, May 12, 2019 at 3:46 PM Chris Lemmons <al...@gmail.com> wrote:
> +1
>
> While Slack isn't my favourite, I think the benefits outweigh the
> costs. One of the biggest costs is the archive search. You can either
> use something like what IRC does, with a bot that archives, or a
> solution like is used here: https://levels.io/slack-export-to-html/ .
> (The latter approach requires an admin account, though.)
>
> And yeah, I don't like that it requires an invite, but we point new
> users primarily at the list and that's still the best way for folks to
> get in touch. People who show up in IRC with random questions mostly
> walk away with no answers. (Not pointing fingers, it's not like anyone
> here is a 24/7 support team for ATS.) The list is a much better place
> to have new folks asking questions anyway. It also sets a better
> expectation for when answers might arrive.
>
> We can couple this with inviting new folks to the Slack channel for
> more conversation and people may actually wind up feeling _more_
> welcomed to the community.
>
> But Slack has a much, much better interface for me to follow
> conversations, and I suspect others feel similarly. I'm often out and
> about on my phone and don't have immediate access to a computer. I
> have yet to find an IRC client that coherently works for an
> intermittent connection. I currently use a Matrix interface instead
> and it's ok, but not awesome.
>
> Slack significantly improves the spamming situation and gives us
> pretty easy integration for a variety of plugins. It's got good
> notification settings so I can follow conversations more easily across
> a variety of devices. It's got a threading system that makes it easier
> to follow up on slightly older questions and conversations. And
> perhaps most importantly, it has cute little emoticons you can slap on
> other people's comments. :D
>
> Alternately, we could all contribute to the OSS Matrix and Riot and
> add features until they're more awesome than Slack and use that. :D
> But that's kinda hard, so I like the Slack plan in the mean time.
>
> On Sun, May 12, 2019 at 8:51 AM Leif Hedstrom <zw...@apache.org> wrote:
> >
> >
> >
> > > On May 12, 2019, at 08:40, Jason Giedymin <ja...@gmail.com>
> wrote:
> > >
> > > I like slack, but don’t like that I’d not be able to see past history
> unless:
> > > - it’s a continuous asf paid account
> > > - login to slack
> > > - write a bot to archive (guess that isn’t so bad)
> > > - in the event asf moved away from slack in the future or goes
> defunct or gets bought out, what to do with past data
> > >
> > > So to sum: Id like the data open and free to search (via google even)
> - but I do use slack for many foss groups
> > >
> > > We could offer slack as an avenue but make note that any real
> questions that require a more thorough response be initiated via mail list
> or by issue tracker. I.e non supported com channel but it’s there
> >
> > This is implicit and doesn’t change whether we use slack, IRC or
> pidgins. All decision making is done exclusively on the mailing list.
> >
> > — Leif
> > >
> > > -Jason
> > >
> > >> On May 12, 2019, at 10:18 AM, Leif Hedstrom <zw...@apache.org> wrote:
> > >>
> > >>
> > >>
> > >>> On May 11, 2019, at 23:35, James Peach <ja...@me.com.invalid>
> wrote:
> > >>>
> > >>>
> > >>>
> > >>>> On May 12, 2019, at 3:32 PM, Leif Hedstrom <zw...@apache.org>
> wrote:
> > >>>>
> > >>>> Note that this is the ASF workspace, not just ATS. Automating
> account creations here seems like a bad idea, but I guess you can run it by
> the ASF infra ops. My guess would be that they say no :-).
> > >>>
> > >>> So users won’t be able to join and participate unless they have some
> out of band way to ask for an invite? If that’s the case, I don’t think
> this is a good idea.
> > >>
> > >> You think it’s a serious burden to send an email to e.g. users@ or
> dev@ and ask for an invite? Doesn’t seems a whole lot more burdensome
> than going to a website that you must find.
> > >>
> > >> — Leif
> > >>>
> > >>>>
> > >>>> Cheers,
> > >>>>
> > >>>> — Leif
> > >>>>
> > >>>>
> > >>>>> On May 11, 2019, at 23:26, James Peach <jp...@apache.org> wrote:
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>>> On May 12, 2019, at 4:57 AM, Evan Zelkowitz <ez...@apache.org>
> wrote:
> > >>>>>>
> > >>>>>> +1
> > >>>>>>
> > >>>>>> Though it would be nice if there was an easier way to get new
> people
> > >>>>>> in rather than having to manually invite them. My only worry is
> people
> > >>>>>> who just want to ask a question dont have an easy way to be able
> to
> > >>>>>> get in. So maybe there should be some change on the site to notify
> > >>>>>> that they should request access on the mailing list or something
> like
> > >>>>>> that
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>> Most project use https://github.com/rauchg/slackin to
> automatically issue invites. We should do that here as well.
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>>>
> > >>>>>>> On Fri, May 10, 2019 at 5:45 PM Bryan Call <bc...@apache.org>
> wrote:
> > >>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>> I would like to propose that we move from the IRC to Slack for
> IM communication by June 1st. This is in response to ASF moving to Slack
> for Infra and other channels and spamming that has happened on the IRC over
> the last year.
> > >>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>> This would require that people without an apache.org email
> address to be invited. We would keep the IRC channel open after the
> migration to notify people of the Slack channel.
> > >>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>> Link to the ASF Workspace:
> > >>>>>>> https://the-asf.slack.com <https://the-asf.slack.com/>
> > >>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>> Channel on Slack:
> > >>>>>>> #traffic-server
> > >>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>> -Bryan
> > >>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>>
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>
> > >>>
> > >>
> >
>
Re: [PROPOSAL] Move from the IRC to Slack
Posted by Chris Lemmons <al...@gmail.com>.
+1
While Slack isn't my favourite, I think the benefits outweigh the
costs. One of the biggest costs is the archive search. You can either
use something like what IRC does, with a bot that archives, or a
solution like is used here: https://levels.io/slack-export-to-html/ .
(The latter approach requires an admin account, though.)
And yeah, I don't like that it requires an invite, but we point new
users primarily at the list and that's still the best way for folks to
get in touch. People who show up in IRC with random questions mostly
walk away with no answers. (Not pointing fingers, it's not like anyone
here is a 24/7 support team for ATS.) The list is a much better place
to have new folks asking questions anyway. It also sets a better
expectation for when answers might arrive.
We can couple this with inviting new folks to the Slack channel for
more conversation and people may actually wind up feeling _more_
welcomed to the community.
But Slack has a much, much better interface for me to follow
conversations, and I suspect others feel similarly. I'm often out and
about on my phone and don't have immediate access to a computer. I
have yet to find an IRC client that coherently works for an
intermittent connection. I currently use a Matrix interface instead
and it's ok, but not awesome.
Slack significantly improves the spamming situation and gives us
pretty easy integration for a variety of plugins. It's got good
notification settings so I can follow conversations more easily across
a variety of devices. It's got a threading system that makes it easier
to follow up on slightly older questions and conversations. And
perhaps most importantly, it has cute little emoticons you can slap on
other people's comments. :D
Alternately, we could all contribute to the OSS Matrix and Riot and
add features until they're more awesome than Slack and use that. :D
But that's kinda hard, so I like the Slack plan in the mean time.
On Sun, May 12, 2019 at 8:51 AM Leif Hedstrom <zw...@apache.org> wrote:
>
>
>
> > On May 12, 2019, at 08:40, Jason Giedymin <ja...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >
> > I like slack, but don’t like that I’d not be able to see past history unless:
> > - it’s a continuous asf paid account
> > - login to slack
> > - write a bot to archive (guess that isn’t so bad)
> > - in the event asf moved away from slack in the future or goes defunct or gets bought out, what to do with past data
> >
> > So to sum: Id like the data open and free to search (via google even) - but I do use slack for many foss groups
> >
> > We could offer slack as an avenue but make note that any real questions that require a more thorough response be initiated via mail list or by issue tracker. I.e non supported com channel but it’s there
>
> This is implicit and doesn’t change whether we use slack, IRC or pidgins. All decision making is done exclusively on the mailing list.
>
> — Leif
> >
> > -Jason
> >
> >> On May 12, 2019, at 10:18 AM, Leif Hedstrom <zw...@apache.org> wrote:
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>> On May 11, 2019, at 23:35, James Peach <ja...@me.com.invalid> wrote:
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>> On May 12, 2019, at 3:32 PM, Leif Hedstrom <zw...@apache.org> wrote:
> >>>>
> >>>> Note that this is the ASF workspace, not just ATS. Automating account creations here seems like a bad idea, but I guess you can run it by the ASF infra ops. My guess would be that they say no :-).
> >>>
> >>> So users won’t be able to join and participate unless they have some out of band way to ask for an invite? If that’s the case, I don’t think this is a good idea.
> >>
> >> You think it’s a serious burden to send an email to e.g. users@ or dev@ and ask for an invite? Doesn’t seems a whole lot more burdensome than going to a website that you must find.
> >>
> >> — Leif
> >>>
> >>>>
> >>>> Cheers,
> >>>>
> >>>> — Leif
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>> On May 11, 2019, at 23:26, James Peach <jp...@apache.org> wrote:
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>>> On May 12, 2019, at 4:57 AM, Evan Zelkowitz <ez...@apache.org> wrote:
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> +1
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> Though it would be nice if there was an easier way to get new people
> >>>>>> in rather than having to manually invite them. My only worry is people
> >>>>>> who just want to ask a question dont have an easy way to be able to
> >>>>>> get in. So maybe there should be some change on the site to notify
> >>>>>> that they should request access on the mailing list or something like
> >>>>>> that
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Most project use https://github.com/rauchg/slackin to automatically issue invites. We should do that here as well.
> >>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>> On Fri, May 10, 2019 at 5:45 PM Bryan Call <bc...@apache.org> wrote:
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> I would like to propose that we move from the IRC to Slack for IM communication by June 1st. This is in response to ASF moving to Slack for Infra and other channels and spamming that has happened on the IRC over the last year.
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> This would require that people without an apache.org email address to be invited. We would keep the IRC channel open after the migration to notify people of the Slack channel.
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> Link to the ASF Workspace:
> >>>>>>> https://the-asf.slack.com <https://the-asf.slack.com/>
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> Channel on Slack:
> >>>>>>> #traffic-server
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> -Bryan
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>
> >>>
> >>
>
Re: [PROPOSAL] Move from the IRC to Slack
Posted by Leif Hedstrom <zw...@apache.org>.
> On May 12, 2019, at 08:40, Jason Giedymin <ja...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> I like slack, but don’t like that I’d not be able to see past history unless:
> - it’s a continuous asf paid account
> - login to slack
> - write a bot to archive (guess that isn’t so bad)
> - in the event asf moved away from slack in the future or goes defunct or gets bought out, what to do with past data
>
> So to sum: Id like the data open and free to search (via google even) - but I do use slack for many foss groups
>
> We could offer slack as an avenue but make note that any real questions that require a more thorough response be initiated via mail list or by issue tracker. I.e non supported com channel but it’s there
This is implicit and doesn’t change whether we use slack, IRC or pidgins. All decision making is done exclusively on the mailing list.
— Leif
>
> -Jason
>
>> On May 12, 2019, at 10:18 AM, Leif Hedstrom <zw...@apache.org> wrote:
>>
>>
>>
>>> On May 11, 2019, at 23:35, James Peach <ja...@me.com.invalid> wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>> On May 12, 2019, at 3:32 PM, Leif Hedstrom <zw...@apache.org> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> Note that this is the ASF workspace, not just ATS. Automating account creations here seems like a bad idea, but I guess you can run it by the ASF infra ops. My guess would be that they say no :-).
>>>
>>> So users won’t be able to join and participate unless they have some out of band way to ask for an invite? If that’s the case, I don’t think this is a good idea.
>>
>> You think it’s a serious burden to send an email to e.g. users@ or dev@ and ask for an invite? Doesn’t seems a whole lot more burdensome than going to a website that you must find.
>>
>> — Leif
>>>
>>>>
>>>> Cheers,
>>>>
>>>> — Leif
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>> On May 11, 2019, at 23:26, James Peach <jp...@apache.org> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>> On May 12, 2019, at 4:57 AM, Evan Zelkowitz <ez...@apache.org> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> +1
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Though it would be nice if there was an easier way to get new people
>>>>>> in rather than having to manually invite them. My only worry is people
>>>>>> who just want to ask a question dont have an easy way to be able to
>>>>>> get in. So maybe there should be some change on the site to notify
>>>>>> that they should request access on the mailing list or something like
>>>>>> that
>>>>>
>>>>> Most project use https://github.com/rauchg/slackin to automatically issue invites. We should do that here as well.
>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On Fri, May 10, 2019 at 5:45 PM Bryan Call <bc...@apache.org> wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I would like to propose that we move from the IRC to Slack for IM communication by June 1st. This is in response to ASF moving to Slack for Infra and other channels and spamming that has happened on the IRC over the last year.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> This would require that people without an apache.org email address to be invited. We would keep the IRC channel open after the migration to notify people of the Slack channel.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Link to the ASF Workspace:
>>>>>>> https://the-asf.slack.com <https://the-asf.slack.com/>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Channel on Slack:
>>>>>>> #traffic-server
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> -Bryan
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>
Re: [PROPOSAL] Move from the IRC to Slack
Posted by Leif Hedstrom <zw...@apache.org>.
> On May 12, 2019, at 08:40, Jason Giedymin <ja...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> I like slack, but don’t like that I’d not be able to see past history unless:
> - it’s a continuous asf paid account
> - login to slack
> - write a bot to archive (guess that isn’t so bad)
> - in the event asf moved away from slack in the future or goes defunct or gets bought out, what to do with past data
>
> So to sum: Id like the data open and free to search (via google even) - but I do use slack for many foss groups
>
> We could offer slack as an avenue but make note that any real questions that require a more thorough response be initiated via mail list or by issue tracker. I.e non supported com channel but it’s there
This is implicit and doesn’t change whether we use slack, IRC or pidgins. All decision making is done exclusively on the mailing list.
— Leif
>
> -Jason
>
>> On May 12, 2019, at 10:18 AM, Leif Hedstrom <zw...@apache.org> wrote:
>>
>>
>>
>>> On May 11, 2019, at 23:35, James Peach <ja...@me.com.invalid> wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>> On May 12, 2019, at 3:32 PM, Leif Hedstrom <zw...@apache.org> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> Note that this is the ASF workspace, not just ATS. Automating account creations here seems like a bad idea, but I guess you can run it by the ASF infra ops. My guess would be that they say no :-).
>>>
>>> So users won’t be able to join and participate unless they have some out of band way to ask for an invite? If that’s the case, I don’t think this is a good idea.
>>
>> You think it’s a serious burden to send an email to e.g. users@ or dev@ and ask for an invite? Doesn’t seems a whole lot more burdensome than going to a website that you must find.
>>
>> — Leif
>>>
>>>>
>>>> Cheers,
>>>>
>>>> — Leif
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>> On May 11, 2019, at 23:26, James Peach <jp...@apache.org> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>> On May 12, 2019, at 4:57 AM, Evan Zelkowitz <ez...@apache.org> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> +1
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Though it would be nice if there was an easier way to get new people
>>>>>> in rather than having to manually invite them. My only worry is people
>>>>>> who just want to ask a question dont have an easy way to be able to
>>>>>> get in. So maybe there should be some change on the site to notify
>>>>>> that they should request access on the mailing list or something like
>>>>>> that
>>>>>
>>>>> Most project use https://github.com/rauchg/slackin to automatically issue invites. We should do that here as well.
>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On Fri, May 10, 2019 at 5:45 PM Bryan Call <bc...@apache.org> wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I would like to propose that we move from the IRC to Slack for IM communication by June 1st. This is in response to ASF moving to Slack for Infra and other channels and spamming that has happened on the IRC over the last year.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> This would require that people without an apache.org email address to be invited. We would keep the IRC channel open after the migration to notify people of the Slack channel.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Link to the ASF Workspace:
>>>>>>> https://the-asf.slack.com <https://the-asf.slack.com/>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Channel on Slack:
>>>>>>> #traffic-server
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> -Bryan
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>
Re: [PROPOSAL] Move from the IRC to Slack
Posted by Jason Giedymin <ja...@gmail.com>.
I like slack, but don’t like that I’d not be able to see past history unless:
- it’s a continuous asf paid account
- login to slack
- write a bot to archive (guess that isn’t so bad)
- in the event asf moved away from slack in the future or goes defunct or gets bought out, what to do with past data
So to sum: Id like the data open and free to search (via google even) - but I do use slack for many foss groups
We could offer slack as an avenue but make note that any real questions that require a more thorough response be initiated via mail list or by issue tracker. I.e non supported com channel but it’s there
-Jason
> On May 12, 2019, at 10:18 AM, Leif Hedstrom <zw...@apache.org> wrote:
>
>
>
>> On May 11, 2019, at 23:35, James Peach <ja...@me.com.invalid> wrote:
>>
>>
>>
>>> On May 12, 2019, at 3:32 PM, Leif Hedstrom <zw...@apache.org> wrote:
>>>
>>> Note that this is the ASF workspace, not just ATS. Automating account creations here seems like a bad idea, but I guess you can run it by the ASF infra ops. My guess would be that they say no :-).
>>
>> So users won’t be able to join and participate unless they have some out of band way to ask for an invite? If that’s the case, I don’t think this is a good idea.
>
> You think it’s a serious burden to send an email to e.g. users@ or dev@ and ask for an invite? Doesn’t seems a whole lot more burdensome than going to a website that you must find.
>
> — Leif
>>
>>>
>>> Cheers,
>>>
>>> — Leif
>>>
>>>
>>>> On May 11, 2019, at 23:26, James Peach <jp...@apache.org> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>> On May 12, 2019, at 4:57 AM, Evan Zelkowitz <ez...@apache.org> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> +1
>>>>>
>>>>> Though it would be nice if there was an easier way to get new people
>>>>> in rather than having to manually invite them. My only worry is people
>>>>> who just want to ask a question dont have an easy way to be able to
>>>>> get in. So maybe there should be some change on the site to notify
>>>>> that they should request access on the mailing list or something like
>>>>> that
>>>>
>>>> Most project use https://github.com/rauchg/slackin to automatically issue invites. We should do that here as well.
>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>> On Fri, May 10, 2019 at 5:45 PM Bryan Call <bc...@apache.org> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I would like to propose that we move from the IRC to Slack for IM communication by June 1st. This is in response to ASF moving to Slack for Infra and other channels and spamming that has happened on the IRC over the last year.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> This would require that people without an apache.org email address to be invited. We would keep the IRC channel open after the migration to notify people of the Slack channel.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Link to the ASF Workspace:
>>>>>> https://the-asf.slack.com <https://the-asf.slack.com/>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Channel on Slack:
>>>>>> #traffic-server
>>>>>>
>>>>>> -Bryan
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>
>
Re: [PROPOSAL] Move from the IRC to Slack
Posted by Jason Giedymin <ja...@gmail.com>.
I like slack, but don’t like that I’d not be able to see past history unless:
- it’s a continuous asf paid account
- login to slack
- write a bot to archive (guess that isn’t so bad)
- in the event asf moved away from slack in the future or goes defunct or gets bought out, what to do with past data
So to sum: Id like the data open and free to search (via google even) - but I do use slack for many foss groups
We could offer slack as an avenue but make note that any real questions that require a more thorough response be initiated via mail list or by issue tracker. I.e non supported com channel but it’s there
-Jason
> On May 12, 2019, at 10:18 AM, Leif Hedstrom <zw...@apache.org> wrote:
>
>
>
>> On May 11, 2019, at 23:35, James Peach <ja...@me.com.invalid> wrote:
>>
>>
>>
>>> On May 12, 2019, at 3:32 PM, Leif Hedstrom <zw...@apache.org> wrote:
>>>
>>> Note that this is the ASF workspace, not just ATS. Automating account creations here seems like a bad idea, but I guess you can run it by the ASF infra ops. My guess would be that they say no :-).
>>
>> So users won’t be able to join and participate unless they have some out of band way to ask for an invite? If that’s the case, I don’t think this is a good idea.
>
> You think it’s a serious burden to send an email to e.g. users@ or dev@ and ask for an invite? Doesn’t seems a whole lot more burdensome than going to a website that you must find.
>
> — Leif
>>
>>>
>>> Cheers,
>>>
>>> — Leif
>>>
>>>
>>>> On May 11, 2019, at 23:26, James Peach <jp...@apache.org> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>> On May 12, 2019, at 4:57 AM, Evan Zelkowitz <ez...@apache.org> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> +1
>>>>>
>>>>> Though it would be nice if there was an easier way to get new people
>>>>> in rather than having to manually invite them. My only worry is people
>>>>> who just want to ask a question dont have an easy way to be able to
>>>>> get in. So maybe there should be some change on the site to notify
>>>>> that they should request access on the mailing list or something like
>>>>> that
>>>>
>>>> Most project use https://github.com/rauchg/slackin to automatically issue invites. We should do that here as well.
>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>> On Fri, May 10, 2019 at 5:45 PM Bryan Call <bc...@apache.org> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I would like to propose that we move from the IRC to Slack for IM communication by June 1st. This is in response to ASF moving to Slack for Infra and other channels and spamming that has happened on the IRC over the last year.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> This would require that people without an apache.org email address to be invited. We would keep the IRC channel open after the migration to notify people of the Slack channel.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Link to the ASF Workspace:
>>>>>> https://the-asf.slack.com <https://the-asf.slack.com/>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Channel on Slack:
>>>>>> #traffic-server
>>>>>>
>>>>>> -Bryan
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>
>
Re: [PROPOSAL] Move from the IRC to Slack
Posted by Leif Hedstrom <zw...@apache.org>.
> On May 11, 2019, at 23:35, James Peach <ja...@me.com.invalid> wrote:
>
>
>
>> On May 12, 2019, at 3:32 PM, Leif Hedstrom <zw...@apache.org> wrote:
>>
>> Note that this is the ASF workspace, not just ATS. Automating account creations here seems like a bad idea, but I guess you can run it by the ASF infra ops. My guess would be that they say no :-).
>
> So users won’t be able to join and participate unless they have some out of band way to ask for an invite? If that’s the case, I don’t think this is a good idea.
You think it’s a serious burden to send an email to e.g. users@ or dev@ and ask for an invite? Doesn’t seems a whole lot more burdensome than going to a website that you must find.
— Leif
>
>>
>> Cheers,
>>
>> — Leif
>>
>>
>>> On May 11, 2019, at 23:26, James Peach <jp...@apache.org> wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>> On May 12, 2019, at 4:57 AM, Evan Zelkowitz <ez...@apache.org> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> +1
>>>>
>>>> Though it would be nice if there was an easier way to get new people
>>>> in rather than having to manually invite them. My only worry is people
>>>> who just want to ask a question dont have an easy way to be able to
>>>> get in. So maybe there should be some change on the site to notify
>>>> that they should request access on the mailing list or something like
>>>> that
>>>
>>> Most project use https://github.com/rauchg/slackin to automatically issue invites. We should do that here as well.
>>>
>>>>
>>>>> On Fri, May 10, 2019 at 5:45 PM Bryan Call <bc...@apache.org> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> I would like to propose that we move from the IRC to Slack for IM communication by June 1st. This is in response to ASF moving to Slack for Infra and other channels and spamming that has happened on the IRC over the last year.
>>>>>
>>>>> This would require that people without an apache.org email address to be invited. We would keep the IRC channel open after the migration to notify people of the Slack channel.
>>>>>
>>>>> Link to the ASF Workspace:
>>>>> https://the-asf.slack.com <https://the-asf.slack.com/>
>>>>>
>>>>> Channel on Slack:
>>>>> #traffic-server
>>>>>
>>>>> -Bryan
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>
>>
>
Re: [PROPOSAL] Move from the IRC to Slack
Posted by Leif Hedstrom <zw...@apache.org>.
> On May 11, 2019, at 23:35, James Peach <ja...@me.com.invalid> wrote:
>
>
>
>> On May 12, 2019, at 3:32 PM, Leif Hedstrom <zw...@apache.org> wrote:
>>
>> Note that this is the ASF workspace, not just ATS. Automating account creations here seems like a bad idea, but I guess you can run it by the ASF infra ops. My guess would be that they say no :-).
>
> So users won’t be able to join and participate unless they have some out of band way to ask for an invite? If that’s the case, I don’t think this is a good idea.
You think it’s a serious burden to send an email to e.g. users@ or dev@ and ask for an invite? Doesn’t seems a whole lot more burdensome than going to a website that you must find.
— Leif
>
>>
>> Cheers,
>>
>> — Leif
>>
>>
>>> On May 11, 2019, at 23:26, James Peach <jp...@apache.org> wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>> On May 12, 2019, at 4:57 AM, Evan Zelkowitz <ez...@apache.org> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> +1
>>>>
>>>> Though it would be nice if there was an easier way to get new people
>>>> in rather than having to manually invite them. My only worry is people
>>>> who just want to ask a question dont have an easy way to be able to
>>>> get in. So maybe there should be some change on the site to notify
>>>> that they should request access on the mailing list or something like
>>>> that
>>>
>>> Most project use https://github.com/rauchg/slackin to automatically issue invites. We should do that here as well.
>>>
>>>>
>>>>> On Fri, May 10, 2019 at 5:45 PM Bryan Call <bc...@apache.org> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> I would like to propose that we move from the IRC to Slack for IM communication by June 1st. This is in response to ASF moving to Slack for Infra and other channels and spamming that has happened on the IRC over the last year.
>>>>>
>>>>> This would require that people without an apache.org email address to be invited. We would keep the IRC channel open after the migration to notify people of the Slack channel.
>>>>>
>>>>> Link to the ASF Workspace:
>>>>> https://the-asf.slack.com <https://the-asf.slack.com/>
>>>>>
>>>>> Channel on Slack:
>>>>> #traffic-server
>>>>>
>>>>> -Bryan
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>
>>
>
Re: [PROPOSAL] Move from the IRC to Slack
Posted by James Peach <ja...@me.com>.
> On May 12, 2019, at 3:32 PM, Leif Hedstrom <zw...@apache.org> wrote:
>
> Note that this is the ASF workspace, not just ATS. Automating account creations here seems like a bad idea, but I guess you can run it by the ASF infra ops. My guess would be that they say no :-).
So users won’t be able to join and participate unless they have some out of band way to ask for an invite? If that’s the case, I don’t think this is a good idea.
>
> Cheers,
>
> — Leif
>
>
>> On May 11, 2019, at 23:26, James Peach <jp...@apache.org> wrote:
>>
>>
>>
>>> On May 12, 2019, at 4:57 AM, Evan Zelkowitz <ez...@apache.org> wrote:
>>>
>>> +1
>>>
>>> Though it would be nice if there was an easier way to get new people
>>> in rather than having to manually invite them. My only worry is people
>>> who just want to ask a question dont have an easy way to be able to
>>> get in. So maybe there should be some change on the site to notify
>>> that they should request access on the mailing list or something like
>>> that
>>
>> Most project use https://github.com/rauchg/slackin to automatically issue invites. We should do that here as well.
>>
>>>
>>>> On Fri, May 10, 2019 at 5:45 PM Bryan Call <bc...@apache.org> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> I would like to propose that we move from the IRC to Slack for IM communication by June 1st. This is in response to ASF moving to Slack for Infra and other channels and spamming that has happened on the IRC over the last year.
>>>>
>>>> This would require that people without an apache.org email address to be invited. We would keep the IRC channel open after the migration to notify people of the Slack channel.
>>>>
>>>> Link to the ASF Workspace:
>>>> https://the-asf.slack.com <https://the-asf.slack.com/>
>>>>
>>>> Channel on Slack:
>>>> #traffic-server
>>>>
>>>> -Bryan
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>
>
Re: [PROPOSAL] Move from the IRC to Slack
Posted by James Peach <ja...@me.com.INVALID>.
> On May 12, 2019, at 3:32 PM, Leif Hedstrom <zw...@apache.org> wrote:
>
> Note that this is the ASF workspace, not just ATS. Automating account creations here seems like a bad idea, but I guess you can run it by the ASF infra ops. My guess would be that they say no :-).
So users won’t be able to join and participate unless they have some out of band way to ask for an invite? If that’s the case, I don’t think this is a good idea.
>
> Cheers,
>
> — Leif
>
>
>> On May 11, 2019, at 23:26, James Peach <jp...@apache.org> wrote:
>>
>>
>>
>>> On May 12, 2019, at 4:57 AM, Evan Zelkowitz <ez...@apache.org> wrote:
>>>
>>> +1
>>>
>>> Though it would be nice if there was an easier way to get new people
>>> in rather than having to manually invite them. My only worry is people
>>> who just want to ask a question dont have an easy way to be able to
>>> get in. So maybe there should be some change on the site to notify
>>> that they should request access on the mailing list or something like
>>> that
>>
>> Most project use https://github.com/rauchg/slackin to automatically issue invites. We should do that here as well.
>>
>>>
>>>> On Fri, May 10, 2019 at 5:45 PM Bryan Call <bc...@apache.org> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> I would like to propose that we move from the IRC to Slack for IM communication by June 1st. This is in response to ASF moving to Slack for Infra and other channels and spamming that has happened on the IRC over the last year.
>>>>
>>>> This would require that people without an apache.org email address to be invited. We would keep the IRC channel open after the migration to notify people of the Slack channel.
>>>>
>>>> Link to the ASF Workspace:
>>>> https://the-asf.slack.com <https://the-asf.slack.com/>
>>>>
>>>> Channel on Slack:
>>>> #traffic-server
>>>>
>>>> -Bryan
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>
>
Re: [PROPOSAL] Move from the IRC to Slack
Posted by Leif Hedstrom <zw...@apache.org>.
Note that this is the ASF workspace, not just ATS. Automating account creations here seems like a bad idea, but I guess you can run it by the ASF infra ops. My guess would be that they say no :-).
Cheers,
— Leif
> On May 11, 2019, at 23:26, James Peach <jp...@apache.org> wrote:
>
>
>
>> On May 12, 2019, at 4:57 AM, Evan Zelkowitz <ez...@apache.org> wrote:
>>
>> +1
>>
>> Though it would be nice if there was an easier way to get new people
>> in rather than having to manually invite them. My only worry is people
>> who just want to ask a question dont have an easy way to be able to
>> get in. So maybe there should be some change on the site to notify
>> that they should request access on the mailing list or something like
>> that
>
> Most project use https://github.com/rauchg/slackin to automatically issue invites. We should do that here as well.
>
>>
>>> On Fri, May 10, 2019 at 5:45 PM Bryan Call <bc...@apache.org> wrote:
>>>
>>> I would like to propose that we move from the IRC to Slack for IM communication by June 1st. This is in response to ASF moving to Slack for Infra and other channels and spamming that has happened on the IRC over the last year.
>>>
>>> This would require that people without an apache.org email address to be invited. We would keep the IRC channel open after the migration to notify people of the Slack channel.
>>>
>>> Link to the ASF Workspace:
>>> https://the-asf.slack.com <https://the-asf.slack.com/>
>>>
>>> Channel on Slack:
>>> #traffic-server
>>>
>>> -Bryan
>>>
>>>
>>>
>
Re: [PROPOSAL] Move from the IRC to Slack
Posted by Leif Hedstrom <zw...@apache.org>.
Note that this is the ASF workspace, not just ATS. Automating account creations here seems like a bad idea, but I guess you can run it by the ASF infra ops. My guess would be that they say no :-).
Cheers,
— Leif
> On May 11, 2019, at 23:26, James Peach <jp...@apache.org> wrote:
>
>
>
>> On May 12, 2019, at 4:57 AM, Evan Zelkowitz <ez...@apache.org> wrote:
>>
>> +1
>>
>> Though it would be nice if there was an easier way to get new people
>> in rather than having to manually invite them. My only worry is people
>> who just want to ask a question dont have an easy way to be able to
>> get in. So maybe there should be some change on the site to notify
>> that they should request access on the mailing list or something like
>> that
>
> Most project use https://github.com/rauchg/slackin to automatically issue invites. We should do that here as well.
>
>>
>>> On Fri, May 10, 2019 at 5:45 PM Bryan Call <bc...@apache.org> wrote:
>>>
>>> I would like to propose that we move from the IRC to Slack for IM communication by June 1st. This is in response to ASF moving to Slack for Infra and other channels and spamming that has happened on the IRC over the last year.
>>>
>>> This would require that people without an apache.org email address to be invited. We would keep the IRC channel open after the migration to notify people of the Slack channel.
>>>
>>> Link to the ASF Workspace:
>>> https://the-asf.slack.com <https://the-asf.slack.com/>
>>>
>>> Channel on Slack:
>>> #traffic-server
>>>
>>> -Bryan
>>>
>>>
>>>
>
Re: [PROPOSAL] Move from the IRC to Slack
Posted by James Peach <jp...@apache.org>.
> On May 12, 2019, at 4:57 AM, Evan Zelkowitz <ez...@apache.org> wrote:
>
> +1
>
> Though it would be nice if there was an easier way to get new people
> in rather than having to manually invite them. My only worry is people
> who just want to ask a question dont have an easy way to be able to
> get in. So maybe there should be some change on the site to notify
> that they should request access on the mailing list or something like
> that
Most project use https://github.com/rauchg/slackin to automatically issue invites. We should do that here as well.
>
> On Fri, May 10, 2019 at 5:45 PM Bryan Call <bc...@apache.org> wrote:
>>
>> I would like to propose that we move from the IRC to Slack for IM communication by June 1st. This is in response to ASF moving to Slack for Infra and other channels and spamming that has happened on the IRC over the last year.
>>
>> This would require that people without an apache.org email address to be invited. We would keep the IRC channel open after the migration to notify people of the Slack channel.
>>
>> Link to the ASF Workspace:
>> https://the-asf.slack.com <https://the-asf.slack.com/>
>>
>> Channel on Slack:
>> #traffic-server
>>
>> -Bryan
>>
>>
>>
Re: [PROPOSAL] Move from the IRC to Slack
Posted by Leif Hedstrom <zw...@apache.org>.
> On May 11, 2019, at 12:57 PM, Evan Zelkowitz <ez...@apache.org> wrote:
>
> +1
>
> Though it would be nice if there was an easier way to get new people
> in rather than having to manually invite them. My only worry is people
> who just want to ask a question dont have an easy way to be able to
> get in. So maybe there should be some change on the site to notify
> that they should request access on the mailing list or something like
> that
>
All @apache.org people can automatically join. The filter is reasonable IMO, since it avoids the massive spam issues we’ve had in IRC.
But agreed, we should update the IRC Subject, and update the main https://trafficserver.apache.org/ <https://trafficserver.apache.org/> site to indicate this move, and the process to get an invite for non-apache.org <http://non-apache.org/> people.
Cheers,
— Leif
> On Fri, May 10, 2019 at 5:45 PM Bryan Call <bc...@apache.org> wrote:
>>
>> I would like to propose that we move from the IRC to Slack for IM communication by June 1st. This is in response to ASF moving to Slack for Infra and other channels and spamming that has happened on the IRC over the last year.
>>
>> This would require that people without an apache.org email address to be invited. We would keep the IRC channel open after the migration to notify people of the Slack channel.
>>
>> Link to the ASF Workspace:
>> https://the-asf.slack.com <https://the-asf.slack.com/>
>>
>> Channel on Slack:
>> #traffic-server
>>
>> -Bryan
>>
>>
>>
Re: [PROPOSAL] Move from the IRC to Slack
Posted by James Peach <jp...@apache.org>.
> On May 12, 2019, at 4:57 AM, Evan Zelkowitz <ez...@apache.org> wrote:
>
> +1
>
> Though it would be nice if there was an easier way to get new people
> in rather than having to manually invite them. My only worry is people
> who just want to ask a question dont have an easy way to be able to
> get in. So maybe there should be some change on the site to notify
> that they should request access on the mailing list or something like
> that
Most project use https://github.com/rauchg/slackin to automatically issue invites. We should do that here as well.
>
> On Fri, May 10, 2019 at 5:45 PM Bryan Call <bc...@apache.org> wrote:
>>
>> I would like to propose that we move from the IRC to Slack for IM communication by June 1st. This is in response to ASF moving to Slack for Infra and other channels and spamming that has happened on the IRC over the last year.
>>
>> This would require that people without an apache.org email address to be invited. We would keep the IRC channel open after the migration to notify people of the Slack channel.
>>
>> Link to the ASF Workspace:
>> https://the-asf.slack.com <https://the-asf.slack.com/>
>>
>> Channel on Slack:
>> #traffic-server
>>
>> -Bryan
>>
>>
>>
Re: [PROPOSAL] Move from the IRC to Slack
Posted by Evan Zelkowitz <ez...@apache.org>.
+1
Though it would be nice if there was an easier way to get new people
in rather than having to manually invite them. My only worry is people
who just want to ask a question dont have an easy way to be able to
get in. So maybe there should be some change on the site to notify
that they should request access on the mailing list or something like
that
On Fri, May 10, 2019 at 5:45 PM Bryan Call <bc...@apache.org> wrote:
>
> I would like to propose that we move from the IRC to Slack for IM communication by June 1st. This is in response to ASF moving to Slack for Infra and other channels and spamming that has happened on the IRC over the last year.
>
> This would require that people without an apache.org email address to be invited. We would keep the IRC channel open after the migration to notify people of the Slack channel.
>
> Link to the ASF Workspace:
> https://the-asf.slack.com <https://the-asf.slack.com/>
>
> Channel on Slack:
> #traffic-server
>
> -Bryan
>
>
>
Re: [PROPOSAL] Move from the IRC to Slack
Posted by Sudheer Vinukonda <su...@yahoo.com>.
+1
> On May 10, 2019, at 4:45 PM, Bryan Call <bc...@apache.org> wrote:
>
> I would like to propose that we move from the IRC to Slack for IM communication by June 1st. This is in response to ASF moving to Slack for Infra and other channels and spamming that has happened on the IRC over the last year.
>
> This would require that people without an apache.org email address to be invited. We would keep the IRC channel open after the migration to notify people of the Slack channel.
>
> Link to the ASF Workspace:
> https://the-asf.slack.com <https://the-asf.slack.com/>
>
> Channel on Slack:
> #traffic-server
>
> -Bryan
>
>
>
Re: [PROPOSAL] Move from the IRC to Slack
Posted by Shu Kit Chan <ch...@gmail.com>.
+1
On Fri, May 10, 2019 at 4:54 PM Walt Karas <wk...@verizonmedia.com> wrote:
>
> +1
>
> On Fri, May 10, 2019 at 6:45 PM Bryan Call <bc...@apache.org> wrote:
>>
>> I would like to propose that we move from the IRC to Slack for IM communication by June 1st. This is in response to ASF moving to Slack for Infra and other channels and spamming that has happened on the IRC over the last year.
>>
>> This would require that people without an apache.org email address to be invited. We would keep the IRC channel open after the migration to notify people of the Slack channel.
>>
>> Link to the ASF Workspace:
>> https://the-asf.slack.com <https://the-asf.slack.com/>
>>
>> Channel on Slack:
>> #traffic-server
>>
>> -Bryan
>>
>>
>>
Re: [PROPOSAL] Move from the IRC to Slack
Posted by Shu Kit Chan <ch...@gmail.com>.
+1
On Fri, May 10, 2019 at 4:54 PM Walt Karas <wk...@verizonmedia.com> wrote:
>
> +1
>
> On Fri, May 10, 2019 at 6:45 PM Bryan Call <bc...@apache.org> wrote:
>>
>> I would like to propose that we move from the IRC to Slack for IM communication by June 1st. This is in response to ASF moving to Slack for Infra and other channels and spamming that has happened on the IRC over the last year.
>>
>> This would require that people without an apache.org email address to be invited. We would keep the IRC channel open after the migration to notify people of the Slack channel.
>>
>> Link to the ASF Workspace:
>> https://the-asf.slack.com <https://the-asf.slack.com/>
>>
>> Channel on Slack:
>> #traffic-server
>>
>> -Bryan
>>
>>
>>
Re: [PROPOSAL] Move from the IRC to Slack
Posted by Walt Karas <wk...@verizonmedia.com.INVALID>.
+1
On Fri, May 10, 2019 at 6:45 PM Bryan Call <bc...@apache.org> wrote:
> I would like to propose that we move from the IRC to Slack for IM
> communication by June 1st. This is in response to ASF moving to Slack for
> Infra and other channels and spamming that has happened on the IRC over the
> last year.
>
> This would require that people without an apache.org email address to be
> invited. We would keep the IRC channel open after the migration to notify
> people of the Slack channel.
>
> Link to the ASF Workspace:
> https://the-asf.slack.com <https://the-asf.slack.com/>
>
> Channel on Slack:
> #traffic-server
>
> -Bryan
>
>
>
>
Re: [PROPOSAL] Move from the IRC to Slack
Posted by Evan Zelkowitz <ez...@apache.org>.
+1
Though it would be nice if there was an easier way to get new people
in rather than having to manually invite them. My only worry is people
who just want to ask a question dont have an easy way to be able to
get in. So maybe there should be some change on the site to notify
that they should request access on the mailing list or something like
that
On Fri, May 10, 2019 at 5:45 PM Bryan Call <bc...@apache.org> wrote:
>
> I would like to propose that we move from the IRC to Slack for IM communication by June 1st. This is in response to ASF moving to Slack for Infra and other channels and spamming that has happened on the IRC over the last year.
>
> This would require that people without an apache.org email address to be invited. We would keep the IRC channel open after the migration to notify people of the Slack channel.
>
> Link to the ASF Workspace:
> https://the-asf.slack.com <https://the-asf.slack.com/>
>
> Channel on Slack:
> #traffic-server
>
> -Bryan
>
>
>
Re: [PROPOSAL] Move from the IRC to Slack
Posted by Leif Hedstrom <zw...@apache.org>.
+1
> On May 10, 2019, at 17:45, Bryan Call <bc...@apache.org> wrote:
>
> I would like to propose that we move from the IRC to Slack for IM communication by June 1st. This is in response to ASF moving to Slack for Infra and other channels and spamming that has happened on the IRC over the last year.
>
> This would require that people without an apache.org email address to be invited. We would keep the IRC channel open after the migration to notify people of the Slack channel.
>
> Link to the ASF Workspace:
> https://the-asf.slack.com
>
> Channel on Slack:
> #traffic-server
>
> -Bryan
>
>
>
Re: [PROPOSAL] Move from the IRC to Slack
Posted by Persia Aziz <pe...@yahoo.com.INVALID>.
+1 .. Finally
Sent from Yahoo Mail on Android
On Fri, May 10, 2019 at 4:45 PM, Bryan Call<bc...@apache.org> wrote: I would like to propose that we move from the IRC to Slack for IM communication by June 1st. This is in response to ASF moving to Slack for Infra and other channels and spamming that has happened on the IRC over the last year.
This would require that people without an apache.org email address to be invited. We would keep the IRC channel open after the migration to notify people of the Slack channel.
Link to the ASF Workspace:
https://the-asf.slack.com <https://the-asf.slack.com/>
Channel on Slack:
#traffic-server
-Bryan
Re: [PROPOSAL] Move from the IRC to Slack
Posted by Persia Aziz <pe...@yahoo.com>.
+1 .. Finally
Sent from Yahoo Mail on Android
On Fri, May 10, 2019 at 4:45 PM, Bryan Call<bc...@apache.org> wrote: I would like to propose that we move from the IRC to Slack for IM communication by June 1st. This is in response to ASF moving to Slack for Infra and other channels and spamming that has happened on the IRC over the last year.
This would require that people without an apache.org email address to be invited. We would keep the IRC channel open after the migration to notify people of the Slack channel.
Link to the ASF Workspace:
https://the-asf.slack.com <https://the-asf.slack.com/>
Channel on Slack:
#traffic-server
-Bryan
Re: [PROPOSAL] Move from the IRC to Slack
Posted by Walt Karas <wk...@verizonmedia.com>.
+1
On Fri, May 10, 2019 at 6:45 PM Bryan Call <bc...@apache.org> wrote:
> I would like to propose that we move from the IRC to Slack for IM
> communication by June 1st. This is in response to ASF moving to Slack for
> Infra and other channels and spamming that has happened on the IRC over the
> last year.
>
> This would require that people without an apache.org email address to be
> invited. We would keep the IRC channel open after the migration to notify
> people of the Slack channel.
>
> Link to the ASF Workspace:
> https://the-asf.slack.com <https://the-asf.slack.com/>
>
> Channel on Slack:
> #traffic-server
>
> -Bryan
>
>
>
>
Re: [PROPOSAL] Move from the IRC to Slack
Posted by Jason Kenny <jk...@verizonmedia.com.INVALID>.
+1
On Fri, May 10, 2019 at 6:46 PM Bryan Call <bc...@apache.org> wrote:
> I would like to propose that we move from the IRC to Slack for IM
> communication by June 1st. This is in response to ASF moving to Slack for
> Infra and other channels and spamming that has happened on the IRC over the
> last year.
>
> This would require that people without an apache.org email address to be
> invited. We would keep the IRC channel open after the migration to notify
> people of the Slack channel.
>
> Link to the ASF Workspace:
> https://the-asf.slack.com <https://the-asf.slack.com/>
>
> Channel on Slack:
> #traffic-server
>
> -Bryan
>
>
>
>
Re: [PROPOSAL] Move from the IRC to Slack
Posted by Sudheer Vinukonda <su...@yahoo.com.INVALID>.
+1
> On May 10, 2019, at 4:45 PM, Bryan Call <bc...@apache.org> wrote:
>
> I would like to propose that we move from the IRC to Slack for IM communication by June 1st. This is in response to ASF moving to Slack for Infra and other channels and spamming that has happened on the IRC over the last year.
>
> This would require that people without an apache.org email address to be invited. We would keep the IRC channel open after the migration to notify people of the Slack channel.
>
> Link to the ASF Workspace:
> https://the-asf.slack.com <https://the-asf.slack.com/>
>
> Channel on Slack:
> #traffic-server
>
> -Bryan
>
>
>