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[jira] Commented: (OFBIZ-437) A component for FixedAsset
Maintenance
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Chris Howe commented on OFBIZ-437:
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Hey Anil,
This is somewhat off topic to this contribution but I was wanting to get some feedback from you since you've been working with the FixedAsset entities lately.
There was a discussion a while back on the concept of FixedAsset vs InventoryItem vs a generic Item. The general consensus of that discussion was there was little real world use benefit to treating them both as generic Items at least not in line with the amount of effort necessary to refactor everything. There was also an opinion that they are absolutely different things and shouldn't even be considered similar in the generic sense.
In our personal deployment we've been using the generic concept of Item so that we can ship them the same, transfer them the same, take physical inventory the same, allocate them the same, etc. In our real world the only people that care whether it's a fixed asset or an inventory item are the bookkeepers. This has been a slow process only incorporating features that exist with the Fixed Assets and Inventory Items as we've come to need/use them.
I was wondering if after your efforts for this contribution you would agree with the notion that the similarities between FixedAsset and InventoryItem constitute a generic Item and if so, would you be willing to collaborate with me to bring the current feature set of FixedAsset and InventoryItem to the generic.?
> A component for FixedAsset Maintenance
> --------------------------------------
>
> Key: OFBIZ-437
> URL: http://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/OFBIZ-437
> Project: OFBiz (The Open for Business Project)
> Issue Type: Improvement
> Reporter: Anil K Patel
> Priority: Minor
> Attachments: assetmaint.zip
>
>
> Component to manage company assets like fleet of transportation, facilities, production equipment etc. Set of tools for preventive, routine and unplanned maintenance.
> Details:
> Manage Asset detail including, work and cost history over time.
> Location and Equipment hierarchies.
> Condition Monitoring for proactive maintenance.
> Tools for managing Maintenance.
> Templates for Preventive Maintenance.
> Easy to use wizards for creating Products for defining Parts and Equipment specs
> and More....
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Re: [jira] Commented: (OFBIZ-437) A component for FixedAsset Maintenance
Posted by Jacopo Cappellato <ti...@sastau.it>.
I see.
Jacopo
Chris Howe wrote:
> Anil,
>
> Thanks for your reply.
>
> Jocopo,
> As was clear in my message to Anil, I was soliciting
> him to collaborate with me. I am already implementing
> it in my deployment as the OOTB treatment of these
> entities are inconsistent with my industry. Whether
> that effort would be contributed is a moot point.
>
> As I see it, if I were to attempt to contribute it to
> the community project, it would have to handle the
> feature set that is currently offered and expand on
> it. That is quite a large task to do on ones own as
> the current feature set has taken years and several
> people's involvement to accomplish.
>
> As far as posing the use case it was simply used to
> demonstrate a common scenario that the non generic
> approach doesn't handle ideally.
>
> This is an example of why modularization is so
> important in a generic business project like OFBiz.
> The manufacturing process (IMO) shouldn't need to
> depend on the accounting process, especially OFBiz
> accounting. This approach would help loosen those
> ties as well.
>
> I did not intend for this to be a discussion of the
> merits of the approach for the community. I was
> simply soliciting Anil's help as he is currently
> working on parts of OFBiz in this area. I would
> however like to solicit anyone else's help who has or
> would like to work in on this area. Thanks!
>
>
Re: [jira] Commented: (OFBIZ-437) A component for FixedAsset Maintenance
Posted by Chris Howe <cj...@yahoo.com>.
Anil,
Thanks for your reply.
Jocopo,
As was clear in my message to Anil, I was soliciting
him to collaborate with me. I am already implementing
it in my deployment as the OOTB treatment of these
entities are inconsistent with my industry. Whether
that effort would be contributed is a moot point.
As I see it, if I were to attempt to contribute it to
the community project, it would have to handle the
feature set that is currently offered and expand on
it. That is quite a large task to do on ones own as
the current feature set has taken years and several
people's involvement to accomplish.
As far as posing the use case it was simply used to
demonstrate a common scenario that the non generic
approach doesn't handle ideally.
This is an example of why modularization is so
important in a generic business project like OFBiz.
The manufacturing process (IMO) shouldn't need to
depend on the accounting process, especially OFBiz
accounting. This approach would help loosen those
ties as well.
I did not intend for this to be a discussion of the
merits of the approach for the community. I was
simply soliciting Anil's help as he is currently
working on parts of OFBiz in this area. I would
however like to solicit anyone else's help who has or
would like to work in on this area. Thanks!
--- Anil Patel <to...@gmail.com> wrote:
> Chris,
> Ours is a Utility Company, this application (In
> production has some more
> tools that I'll add to this app overtime) was
> developed to Manage our Fleet
> of Transportation Equipment. Now we are working on
> using it for Transmission
> and Distribution system. We have a clear case of
> Managing FixedAssets
> (Equipments). In my experience I have not had
> situation as you mentioned,
> but its just me. This is reason why I don't have
> much input to share on your
> Idea.
>
> Regards
> Anil Patel
>
> On 12/19/06, Chris Howe (JIRA) <ji...@apache.org>
> wrote:
> >
> > [
> >
>
http://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/OFBIZ-437?page=comments#action_12459574]
> >
> > Chris Howe commented on OFBIZ-437:
> > ----------------------------------
> >
> > Hey Anil,
> >
> > This is somewhat off topic to this contribution
> but I was wanting to get
> > some feedback from you since you've been working
> with the FixedAsset
> > entities lately.
> >
> > There was a discussion a while back on the concept
> of FixedAsset vs
> > InventoryItem vs a generic Item. The general
> consensus of that discussion
> > was there was little real world use benefit to
> treating them both as generic
> > Items at least not in line with the amount of
> effort necessary to refactor
> > everything. There was also an opinion that they
> are absolutely different
> > things and shouldn't even be considered similar in
> the generic sense.
> >
> > In our personal deployment we've been using the
> generic concept of Item so
> > that we can ship them the same, transfer them the
> same, take physical
> > inventory the same, allocate them the same, etc.
> In our real world the only
> > people that care whether it's a fixed asset or an
> inventory item are the
> > bookkeepers. This has been a slow process only
> incorporating features that
> > exist with the Fixed Assets and Inventory Items as
> we've come to need/use
> > them.
> >
> > I was wondering if after your efforts for this
> contribution you would
> > agree with the notion that the similarities
> between FixedAsset and
> > InventoryItem constitute a generic Item and if so,
> would you be willing to
> > collaborate with me to bring the current feature
> set of FixedAsset and
> > InventoryItem to the generic.?
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > > A component for FixedAsset Maintenance
> > > --------------------------------------
> > >
> > > Key: OFBIZ-437
> > > URL:
> http://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/OFBIZ-437
> > > Project: OFBiz (The Open for
> Business Project)
> > > Issue Type: Improvement
> > > Reporter: Anil K Patel
> > > Priority: Minor
> > > Attachments: assetmaint.zip
> > >
> > >
> > > Component to manage company assets like fleet of
> transportation,
> > facilities, production equipment etc. Set of tools
> for preventive, routine
> > and unplanned maintenance.
> > > Details:
> > > Manage Asset detail including, work and cost
> history over time.
> > > Location and Equipment hierarchies.
> > > Condition Monitoring for proactive maintenance.
> > > Tools for managing Maintenance.
> > > Templates for Preventive Maintenance.
> > > Easy to use wizards for creating Products for
> defining Parts and
> > Equipment specs
> > > and More....
> >
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Re: [jira] Commented: (OFBIZ-437) A component for FixedAsset Maintenance
Posted by Anil Patel <to...@gmail.com>.
Chris,
Ours is a Utility Company, this application (In production has some more
tools that I'll add to this app overtime) was developed to Manage our Fleet
of Transportation Equipment. Now we are working on using it for Transmission
and Distribution system. We have a clear case of Managing FixedAssets
(Equipments). In my experience I have not had situation as you mentioned,
but its just me. This is reason why I don't have much input to share on your
Idea.
Regards
Anil Patel
On 12/19/06, Chris Howe (JIRA) <ji...@apache.org> wrote:
>
> [
> http://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/OFBIZ-437?page=comments#action_12459574]
>
> Chris Howe commented on OFBIZ-437:
> ----------------------------------
>
> Hey Anil,
>
> This is somewhat off topic to this contribution but I was wanting to get
> some feedback from you since you've been working with the FixedAsset
> entities lately.
>
> There was a discussion a while back on the concept of FixedAsset vs
> InventoryItem vs a generic Item. The general consensus of that discussion
> was there was little real world use benefit to treating them both as generic
> Items at least not in line with the amount of effort necessary to refactor
> everything. There was also an opinion that they are absolutely different
> things and shouldn't even be considered similar in the generic sense.
>
> In our personal deployment we've been using the generic concept of Item so
> that we can ship them the same, transfer them the same, take physical
> inventory the same, allocate them the same, etc. In our real world the only
> people that care whether it's a fixed asset or an inventory item are the
> bookkeepers. This has been a slow process only incorporating features that
> exist with the Fixed Assets and Inventory Items as we've come to need/use
> them.
>
> I was wondering if after your efforts for this contribution you would
> agree with the notion that the similarities between FixedAsset and
> InventoryItem constitute a generic Item and if so, would you be willing to
> collaborate with me to bring the current feature set of FixedAsset and
> InventoryItem to the generic.?
>
>
>
>
> > A component for FixedAsset Maintenance
> > --------------------------------------
> >
> > Key: OFBIZ-437
> > URL: http://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/OFBIZ-437
> > Project: OFBiz (The Open for Business Project)
> > Issue Type: Improvement
> > Reporter: Anil K Patel
> > Priority: Minor
> > Attachments: assetmaint.zip
> >
> >
> > Component to manage company assets like fleet of transportation,
> facilities, production equipment etc. Set of tools for preventive, routine
> and unplanned maintenance.
> > Details:
> > Manage Asset detail including, work and cost history over time.
> > Location and Equipment hierarchies.
> > Condition Monitoring for proactive maintenance.
> > Tools for managing Maintenance.
> > Templates for Preventive Maintenance.
> > Easy to use wizards for creating Products for defining Parts and
> Equipment specs
> > and More....
>
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