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Posted to general@incubator.apache.org by Chip Childers <ch...@sungard.com> on 2013/03/06 16:00:10 UTC
Suggested change to the ppmc guide
Hi all,
After spamming the private@i.a.o list, and being asked to stop it, I'd
like to suggest the following changes to the PPMC guide:
Index: content/guides/ppmc.xml
===================================================================
--- content/guides/ppmc.xml (revision 1453351)
+++ content/guides/ppmc.xml (working copy)
@@ -168,7 +168,8 @@
[VOTE] Joe Bob as committer. The [VOTE] message should be forwarded
to the IPMC (<a href="mailto:private@incubator.apache.org">
private@incubator.apache.org</a>) to notify them that the
- vote is underway</p>
+ vote is underway. Do not BCC or CC the IPMC on the VOTE thread.
+ Instead, forward the initial VOTE email.</p>
<p>To be successful the vote requires <strong>at least three +1 votes
from PPMC members, including at least one +1
@@ -179,7 +180,8 @@
a message to the PPMC private alias, and forward it to the IPMC,
with the subject line of [VOTE][RESULT] Joe Bob as committer.
The message should include the usual vote tally, indicating which
- mentor or IPMC member votes cause it to be valid.
+ mentor or IPMC member votes cause it to be valid. Do not
+ BCC or CC the IPMC on the results email. Instead, forward it.
</p>
<p>
@@ -229,8 +231,9 @@
[VOTE] Joe Bob PPMC membership. The [VOTE] message should be forwarded
to the IPMC (<a href="mailto:private@incubator.apache.org">
private@incubator.apache.org</a>) to notify them that the
- vote is underway. If the vote is successful, the proposer should send
- a message to the PPMC private alias, with
+ vote is underway. Do not CC or BCC the IPMC on this thread. Instead,
+ forward the initial VOTE email. If the vote is successful, the proposer
+ should send a message to the PPMC private alias, with
the subject line of [VOTE][RESULT] Joe Bob PPMC membership. The
message id of the [VOTE][RESULT] message should be preserved for
the message to the Incubator PMC after Joe Bob accepts. Now, Joe Bob
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Re: Suggested change to the ppmc guide
Posted by Chip Childers <ch...@sungard.com>.
On Wed, Mar 06, 2013 at 08:00:43AM -0800, Craig L Russell wrote:
> Hi Daniel,
>
> On Mar 6, 2013, at 7:09 AM, Daniel Shahaf wrote:
>
> >I believe the change represents current IPMC consensus but it'd be
> >nice
> >if the change documented the rationale for the policy as well (at
> >least
> >in the log message).
>
> There is no change to the process, policy, or consensus. The only
> thing that is different is the emphasis on forwarding instead of cc
> or bcc.
>
> The phrase "should be forwarded to the IPMC" is not ambiguous, but
> it's apparently easy to overlook.
Correct - it wasn't clear enough for my (apparently) think skull, although it
was specific and accurate. Hopefully my patch will help others in the future.
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Re: Suggested change to the ppmc guide
Posted by Craig L Russell <cr...@oracle.com>.
Hi Daniel,
On Mar 6, 2013, at 7:09 AM, Daniel Shahaf wrote:
> I believe the change represents current IPMC consensus but it'd be
> nice
> if the change documented the rationale for the policy as well (at
> least
> in the log message).
There is no change to the process, policy, or consensus. The only
thing that is different is the emphasis on forwarding instead of cc or
bcc.
The phrase "should be forwarded to the IPMC" is not ambiguous, but
it's apparently easy to overlook.
Craig
>
> Daniel
> (last week I ran into a 10 years old change that didn't have any
> justification anywhere)
>
> Chip Childers wrote on Wed, Mar 06, 2013 at 10:00:10 -0500:
>> Hi all,
>>
>> After spamming the private@i.a.o list, and being asked to stop it,
>> I'd
>> like to suggest the following changes to the PPMC guide:
>>
>>
>> Index: content/guides/ppmc.xml
>> ===================================================================
>> --- content/guides/ppmc.xml (revision 1453351)
>> +++ content/guides/ppmc.xml (working copy)
>> @@ -168,7 +168,8 @@
>> [VOTE] Joe Bob as committer. The [VOTE] message should be
>> forwarded
>> to the IPMC (<a href="mailto:private@incubator.apache.org">
>> private@incubator.apache.org</a>) to notify them that the
>> - vote is underway</p>
>> + vote is underway. Do not BCC or CC the IPMC on the VOTE
>> thread.
>> + Instead, forward the initial VOTE email.</p>
>>
>> <p>To be successful the vote requires <strong>at least three
>> +1 votes
>> from PPMC members, including at least one +1
>> @@ -179,7 +180,8 @@
>> a message to the PPMC private alias, and forward it to the
>> IPMC,
>> with the subject line of [VOTE][RESULT] Joe Bob as committer.
>> The message should include the usual vote tally, indicating
>> which
>> - mentor or IPMC member votes cause it to be valid.
>> + mentor or IPMC member votes cause it to be valid. Do not
>> + BCC or CC the IPMC on the results email. Instead, forward it.
>> </p>
>>
>> <p>
>> @@ -229,8 +231,9 @@
>> [VOTE] Joe Bob PPMC membership. The [VOTE] message should be
>> forwarded
>> to the IPMC (<a href="mailto:private@incubator.apache.org">
>> private@incubator.apache.org</a>) to notify them that the
>> - vote is underway. If the vote is successful, the proposer
>> should send
>> - a message to the PPMC private alias, with
>> + vote is underway. Do not CC or BCC the IPMC on this thread.
>> Instead,
>> + forward the initial VOTE email. If the vote is successful,
>> the proposer
>> + should send a message to the PPMC private alias, with
>> the subject line of [VOTE][RESULT] Joe Bob PPMC membership. The
>> message id of the [VOTE][RESULT] message should be preserved
>> for
>> the message to the Incubator PMC after Joe Bob accepts. Now,
>> Joe Bob
>>
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Re: Suggested change to the ppmc guide
Posted by Daniel Shahaf <d....@daniel.shahaf.name>.
I believe the change represents current IPMC consensus but it'd be nice
if the change documented the rationale for the policy as well (at least
in the log message).
Daniel
(last week I ran into a 10 years old change that didn't have any
justification anywhere)
Chip Childers wrote on Wed, Mar 06, 2013 at 10:00:10 -0500:
> Hi all,
>
> After spamming the private@i.a.o list, and being asked to stop it, I'd
> like to suggest the following changes to the PPMC guide:
>
>
> Index: content/guides/ppmc.xml
> ===================================================================
> --- content/guides/ppmc.xml (revision 1453351)
> +++ content/guides/ppmc.xml (working copy)
> @@ -168,7 +168,8 @@
> [VOTE] Joe Bob as committer. The [VOTE] message should be forwarded
> to the IPMC (<a href="mailto:private@incubator.apache.org">
> private@incubator.apache.org</a>) to notify them that the
> - vote is underway</p>
> + vote is underway. Do not BCC or CC the IPMC on the VOTE thread.
> + Instead, forward the initial VOTE email.</p>
>
> <p>To be successful the vote requires <strong>at least three +1 votes
> from PPMC members, including at least one +1
> @@ -179,7 +180,8 @@
> a message to the PPMC private alias, and forward it to the IPMC,
> with the subject line of [VOTE][RESULT] Joe Bob as committer.
> The message should include the usual vote tally, indicating which
> - mentor or IPMC member votes cause it to be valid.
> + mentor or IPMC member votes cause it to be valid. Do not
> + BCC or CC the IPMC on the results email. Instead, forward it.
> </p>
>
> <p>
> @@ -229,8 +231,9 @@
> [VOTE] Joe Bob PPMC membership. The [VOTE] message should be forwarded
> to the IPMC (<a href="mailto:private@incubator.apache.org">
> private@incubator.apache.org</a>) to notify them that the
> - vote is underway. If the vote is successful, the proposer should send
> - a message to the PPMC private alias, with
> + vote is underway. Do not CC or BCC the IPMC on this thread. Instead,
> + forward the initial VOTE email. If the vote is successful, the proposer
> + should send a message to the PPMC private alias, with
> the subject line of [VOTE][RESULT] Joe Bob PPMC membership. The
> message id of the [VOTE][RESULT] message should be preserved for
> the message to the Incubator PMC after Joe Bob accepts. Now, Joe Bob
>
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Re: Suggested change to the ppmc guide
Posted by Chip Childers <ch...@sungard.com>.
On Wed, Mar 06, 2013 at 04:24:20PM +0100, Bertrand Delacretaz wrote:
> On Wed, Mar 6, 2013 at 4:00 PM, Chip Childers <ch...@sungard.com> wrote:
> > ...After spamming the private@i.a.o list, and being asked to stop it, I'd
> > like to suggest the following changes to the PPMC guide...
>
> +1, and +1 to Daniels comment, you could point to the private@ thread
> where this was discussed, by Message-Id
Thanks.
Committed. Please let me know if you believe I didn't provide enough
information in the commit message.
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Re: Suggested change to the ppmc guide
Posted by Bertrand Delacretaz <bd...@apache.org>.
On Wed, Mar 6, 2013 at 4:00 PM, Chip Childers <ch...@sungard.com> wrote:
> ...After spamming the private@i.a.o list, and being asked to stop it, I'd
> like to suggest the following changes to the PPMC guide...
+1, and +1 to Daniels comment, you could point to the private@ thread
where this was discussed, by Message-Id
-Bertrand
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