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Posted to zeta-dev@incubator.apache.org by Julien Vermillard <jv...@gmail.com> on 2012/04/13 08:30:45 UTC
[VOTE] retire zeta components from incubation
Hi,
Due to the reasons exposed later, and mainly due to lack of activity :
[ ] +1 Retire the Zeta components project and move to another infra
like github
[ ] -1 Do not retire the project, because ...
This vote is open for the next 72 hours.
Julien
Re: [RESULT] Re: [VOTE] retire zeta components from incubation
Posted by Julien Vermillard <jv...@gmail.com>.
On Sun, Apr 29, 2012 at 10:42 AM, Jukka Zitting <ju...@gmail.com> wrote:
> Hi,
>
> On Fri, Apr 20, 2012 at 4:05 PM, Julien Vermillard
> <jv...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> So let's close this podling.
>
> OK. See http://incubator.apache.org/guides/retirement.html for the
> process to follow, including the IPMC vote to make this official.
> Who'll take care of this cleanup?
>
Hi,
I seen this page, I'll do the duty but next week.
Julien
Re: [RESULT] Re: [VOTE] retire zeta components from incubation
Posted by Julien Vermillard <jv...@gmail.com>.
On Sun, Apr 29, 2012 at 10:42 AM, Jukka Zitting <ju...@gmail.com> wrote:
> Hi,
>
> On Fri, Apr 20, 2012 at 4:05 PM, Julien Vermillard
> <jv...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> So let's close this podling.
>
> OK. See http://incubator.apache.org/guides/retirement.html for the
> process to follow, including the IPMC vote to make this official.
> Who'll take care of this cleanup?
>
Hi,
I seen this page, I'll do the duty but next week.
Julien
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Re: [RESULT] Re: [VOTE] retire zeta components from incubation
Posted by Jukka Zitting <ju...@gmail.com>.
Hi,
On Fri, Apr 20, 2012 at 4:05 PM, Julien Vermillard
<jv...@gmail.com> wrote:
> So let's close this podling.
OK. See http://incubator.apache.org/guides/retirement.html for the
process to follow, including the IPMC vote to make this official.
Who'll take care of this cleanup?
BR,
Jukka Zitting
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Re: [VOTE] retire zeta components from incubation
Posted by Jukka Zitting <ju...@gmail.com>.
Hi,
On Thu, May 3, 2012 at 10:12 AM, Julien Vermillard
<jv...@gmail.com> wrote:
> As discussed earlier the Zeta components community has voted
> to retire the project. Following the retirement guide [1], I now call
> the Incubator PMC to vote on confirming this decision. This vote is
> open for the next 72 hours.
[x] +1 Retire the Zeta components project
BR,
Jukka Zitting
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Re: [VOTE] retire zeta components from incubation
Posted by Bertrand Delacretaz <bd...@apache.org>.
On Thu, May 3, 2012 at 10:12 AM, Julien Vermillard
<jv...@gmail.com> wrote:
> ...As discussed earlier the Zeta components community has voted
> to retire the project. Following the retirement guide [1], I now call
> the Incubator PMC to vote on confirming this decision. This vote is
> open for the next 72 hours.
>
> [X ] +1 Retire the Zeta components project
-Bertrand
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[RESULT] Re: [VOTE] retire zeta components from incubation
Posted by Julien Vermillard <jv...@gmail.com>.
Here the results for retiring the zeta components podling.
6 binding +1 : Jukka Zitting, Bertrand Delacretaz, Ralph Goers, Julien
Vermillard, Alan D. Cabrera, Matthew B. Franklin
Julien
On Sat, May 5, 2012 at 5:19 PM, Alan D. Cabrera <li...@toolazydogs.com> wrote:
> +1 binding
>
> Regards,
> Alan
>
>
> On May 3, 2012, at 1:12 AM, Julien Vermillard wrote:
>
>> Hi,
>>
>> As discussed earlier the Zeta components community has voted
>> to retire the project. Following the retirement guide [1], I now call
>> the Incubator PMC to vote on confirming this decision. This vote is
>> open for the next 72 hours.
>>
>> [ ] +1 Retire the Zeta components project
>> [ ] -1 Do not retire the project, because ...
>>
>> [1] http://incubator.apache.org/guides/retirement.html
>>
>> Cheers,
>>
>> Julien
>>
>> ---------- Forwarded message ----------
>> From: Julien Vermillard <jv...@gmail.com>
>> Date: Fri, Apr 20, 2012 at 3:05 PM
>> Subject: [RESULT] Re: [VOTE] retire zeta components from incubation
>> To: zeta-dev@incubator.apache.org
>> Cc: general@incubator.apache.org
>>
>>
>> So let's close the vote :
>>
>> +1 binding : grobmeier, beberlei, derick, jpic, oms, rolandb,
>> +0 binding : kore, toby
>> -1 none
>>
>> So let's close this podling.
>>
>> Julien
>>
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Re: [VOTE] retire zeta components from incubation
Posted by "Alan D. Cabrera" <li...@toolazydogs.com>.
+1 binding
Regards,
Alan
On May 3, 2012, at 1:12 AM, Julien Vermillard wrote:
> Hi,
>
> As discussed earlier the Zeta components community has voted
> to retire the project. Following the retirement guide [1], I now call
> the Incubator PMC to vote on confirming this decision. This vote is
> open for the next 72 hours.
>
> [ ] +1 Retire the Zeta components project
> [ ] -1 Do not retire the project, because ...
>
> [1] http://incubator.apache.org/guides/retirement.html
>
> Cheers,
>
> Julien
>
> ---------- Forwarded message ----------
> From: Julien Vermillard <jv...@gmail.com>
> Date: Fri, Apr 20, 2012 at 3:05 PM
> Subject: [RESULT] Re: [VOTE] retire zeta components from incubation
> To: zeta-dev@incubator.apache.org
> Cc: general@incubator.apache.org
>
>
> So let's close the vote :
>
> +1 binding : grobmeier, beberlei, derick, jpic, oms, rolandb,
> +0 binding : kore, toby
> -1 none
>
> So let's close this podling.
>
> Julien
>
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Re: [VOTE] retire zeta components from incubation
Posted by Julien Vermillard <jv...@gmail.com>.
Here my vote :
+1 (binding)
On Thu, May 3, 2012 at 2:36 PM, Ralph Goers <ra...@dslextreme.com> wrote:
> +1 (binding)
>
> Ralph
>
> On May 3, 2012, at 1:12 AM, Julien Vermillard wrote:
>
>> Hi,
>>
>> As discussed earlier the Zeta components community has voted
>> to retire the project. Following the retirement guide [1], I now call
>> the Incubator PMC to vote on confirming this decision. This vote is
>> open for the next 72 hours.
>>
>> [ ] +1 Retire the Zeta components project
>> [ ] -1 Do not retire the project, because ...
>>
>> [1] http://incubator.apache.org/guides/retirement.html
>>
>> Cheers,
>>
>> Julien
>>
>> ---------- Forwarded message ----------
>> From: Julien Vermillard <jv...@gmail.com>
>> Date: Fri, Apr 20, 2012 at 3:05 PM
>> Subject: [RESULT] Re: [VOTE] retire zeta components from incubation
>> To: zeta-dev@incubator.apache.org
>> Cc: general@incubator.apache.org
>>
>>
>> So let's close the vote :
>>
>> +1 binding : grobmeier, beberlei, derick, jpic, oms, rolandb,
>> +0 binding : kore, toby
>> -1 none
>>
>> So let's close this podling.
>>
>> Julien
>>
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Re: [VOTE] retire zeta components from incubation
Posted by Ralph Goers <ra...@dslextreme.com>.
+1 (binding)
Ralph
On May 3, 2012, at 1:12 AM, Julien Vermillard wrote:
> Hi,
>
> As discussed earlier the Zeta components community has voted
> to retire the project. Following the retirement guide [1], I now call
> the Incubator PMC to vote on confirming this decision. This vote is
> open for the next 72 hours.
>
> [ ] +1 Retire the Zeta components project
> [ ] -1 Do not retire the project, because ...
>
> [1] http://incubator.apache.org/guides/retirement.html
>
> Cheers,
>
> Julien
>
> ---------- Forwarded message ----------
> From: Julien Vermillard <jv...@gmail.com>
> Date: Fri, Apr 20, 2012 at 3:05 PM
> Subject: [RESULT] Re: [VOTE] retire zeta components from incubation
> To: zeta-dev@incubator.apache.org
> Cc: general@incubator.apache.org
>
>
> So let's close the vote :
>
> +1 binding : grobmeier, beberlei, derick, jpic, oms, rolandb,
> +0 binding : kore, toby
> -1 none
>
> So let's close this podling.
>
> Julien
>
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RE: [VOTE] retire zeta components from incubation
Posted by "Franklin, Matthew B." <mf...@mitre.org>.
+1
>-----Original Message-----
>From: Julien Vermillard [mailto:jvermillard@gmail.com]
>Sent: Thursday, May 03, 2012 4:13 AM
>To: general@incubator.apache.org
>Subject: [VOTE] retire zeta components from incubation
>
>Hi,
>
>As discussed earlier the Zeta components community has voted
>to retire the project. Following the retirement guide [1], I now call
>the Incubator PMC to vote on confirming this decision. This vote is
>open for the next 72 hours.
>
> [ ] +1 Retire the Zeta components project
> [ ] -1 Do not retire the project, because ...
>
>[1] http://incubator.apache.org/guides/retirement.html
>
>Cheers,
>
>Julien
>
>---------- Forwarded message ----------
>From: Julien Vermillard <jv...@gmail.com>
>Date: Fri, Apr 20, 2012 at 3:05 PM
>Subject: [RESULT] Re: [VOTE] retire zeta components from incubation
>To: zeta-dev@incubator.apache.org
>Cc: general@incubator.apache.org
>
>
>So let's close the vote :
>
>+1 binding : grobmeier, beberlei, derick, jpic, oms, rolandb,
>+0 binding : kore, toby
>-1 none
>
>So let's close this podling.
>
>Julien
>
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[VOTE] retire zeta components from incubation
Posted by Julien Vermillard <jv...@gmail.com>.
Hi,
As discussed earlier the Zeta components community has voted
to retire the project. Following the retirement guide [1], I now call
the Incubator PMC to vote on confirming this decision. This vote is
open for the next 72 hours.
[ ] +1 Retire the Zeta components project
[ ] -1 Do not retire the project, because ...
[1] http://incubator.apache.org/guides/retirement.html
Cheers,
Julien
---------- Forwarded message ----------
From: Julien Vermillard <jv...@gmail.com>
Date: Fri, Apr 20, 2012 at 3:05 PM
Subject: [RESULT] Re: [VOTE] retire zeta components from incubation
To: zeta-dev@incubator.apache.org
Cc: general@incubator.apache.org
So let's close the vote :
+1 binding : grobmeier, beberlei, derick, jpic, oms, rolandb,
+0 binding : kore, toby
-1 none
So let's close this podling.
Julien
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Re: [RESULT] Re: [VOTE] retire zeta components from incubation
Posted by Jukka Zitting <ju...@gmail.com>.
Hi,
On Fri, Apr 20, 2012 at 4:05 PM, Julien Vermillard
<jv...@gmail.com> wrote:
> So let's close this podling.
OK. See http://incubator.apache.org/guides/retirement.html for the
process to follow, including the IPMC vote to make this official.
Who'll take care of this cleanup?
BR,
Jukka Zitting
[RESULT] Re: [VOTE] retire zeta components from incubation
Posted by Julien Vermillard <jv...@gmail.com>.
So let's close the vote :
+1 binding : grobmeier, beberlei, derick, jpic, oms, rolandb,
+0 binding : kore, toby
-1 none
So let's close this podling.
Julien
On Fri, Apr 13, 2012 at 10:30 AM, Julien Vermillard
<jv...@gmail.com> wrote:
> Hi,
>
> Due to the reasons exposed later, and mainly due to lack of activity :
>
> [ ] +1 Retire the Zeta components project and move to another infra
> like github
> [ ] -1 Do not retire the project, because ...
>
> This vote is open for the next 72 hours.
> Julien
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Re: [VOTE] retire zeta components from incubation
Posted by Maxime Thomas <ma...@gmail.com>.
+1
2012/4/13 James Pic <ja...@gmail.com>
> Shouldn't we consider rolling back the unit tests updates ? That would
> unlock the release process.
>
> Regards
>
--
Maxime
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Re: [VOTE] retire zeta components from incubation
Posted by Christian Grobmeier <gr...@gmail.com>.
James,
On Fri, Apr 13, 2012 at 11:56 AM, James Pic <ja...@gmail.com> wrote:
> Shouldn't we consider rolling back the unit tests updates ? That would
> unlock the release process.
we have suggested to retire this podling because of the lack of
activity. If the committers tell us they want to continue with it and
try to build a community - fine. But so far you are the only committer
who has even responded to this proposal. This makes me feel this
podling is dead. Please convince me that people will come back to
here, then I will gladly change my +1 to a -1.
Cheers
Christian
>
> Regards
--
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https://www.timeandbill.de
Re: [VOTE] retire zeta components from incubation
Posted by James Pic <ja...@gmail.com>.
Shouldn't we consider rolling back the unit tests updates ? That would
unlock the release process.
Regards
Re: [VOTE] retire zeta components from incubation
Posted by Christian Grobmeier <gr...@gmail.com>.
On Fri, Apr 13, 2012 at 10:44 AM, Luc Chase <lu...@lucchase.com> wrote:
> What are the general advantages of keeping this project on Apache?
This question has raised many flamewars - you'll find many blogs out
there on "comparing" Github to ASF. Search for "ASF considered
harmful" and the replies from Jim Jagielski.
In short:
Apache is around community and the people (slogan: community over
code). Additionally there is a foundation which protects people before
legal problems.
Github is a source code hoster like Google Code. You can build a
community there too, but it is not the focus. Its more a great tool.
In the case of Zeta this project has failed to build up a community.
Therefore it does not really match to the ASF and it might happen that
people are more excited about Zeta when it goes to Github. Not every
project does find a good home here - sadly.
Cheers
Christian
> On Apr 13, 2012 9:35 AM, "Christian Grobmeier" <gr...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> > [X] +1 Retire the Zeta components project and move to another infra
>> like github
>>
>> :-(
>>
>> Please note, if somebody is interested to fork this project later, SVN
>> will stay (readonly). More information on the retirement process can
>> be found here:
>> http://incubator.apache.org/guides/retirement.html
>>
>>
>>
>> --
>> http://www.grobmeier.de
>> https://www.timeandbill.de
>>
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Re: [VOTE] retire zeta components from incubation
Posted by Luc Chase <lu...@lucchase.com>.
What are the general advantages of keeping this project on Apache?
On Apr 13, 2012 9:35 AM, "Christian Grobmeier" <gr...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > [X] +1 Retire the Zeta components project and move to another infra
> like github
>
> :-(
>
> Please note, if somebody is interested to fork this project later, SVN
> will stay (readonly). More information on the retirement process can
> be found here:
> http://incubator.apache.org/guides/retirement.html
>
>
>
> --
> http://www.grobmeier.de
> https://www.timeandbill.de
>
Re: [VOTE] retire zeta components from incubation
Posted by Christian Grobmeier <gr...@gmail.com>.
> [X] +1 Retire the Zeta components project and move to another infra like github
:-(
Please note, if somebody is interested to fork this project later, SVN
will stay (readonly). More information on the retirement process can
be found here:
http://incubator.apache.org/guides/retirement.html
--
http://www.grobmeier.de
https://www.timeandbill.de
Re: [VOTE] retire zeta components from incubation
Posted by Jérôme Vieilledent <jv...@ez.no>.
+1
On Github we could add the docs here via github pages (static) and wiki. Same for issue tracker.
---
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Le vendredi 13 avril 2012 à 10:40, Philipp Kamps a écrit :
> Let's define retire. Moving the code to github. But what about
> documentation, website, mailing lists etc
>
> On Fri, Apr 13, 2012 at 10:30 AM, Julien Vermillard
> <jvermillard@gmail.com (mailto:jvermillard@gmail.com)> wrote:
> > Hi,
> >
> > Due to the reasons exposed later, and mainly due to lack of activity :
> >
> > [ ] +1 Retire the Zeta components project and move to another infra
> > like github
> > [ ] -1 Do not retire the project, because ...
> >
> > This vote is open for the next 72 hours.
> > Julien
> >
>
>
>
Re: [VOTE] retire zeta components from incubation
Posted by Christian Grobmeier <gr...@gmail.com>.
Philipp
On Fri, Apr 13, 2012 at 10:40 AM, Philipp Kamps <pk...@mugo.ca> wrote:
> Let's define retire. Moving the code to github. But what about
> documentation, website, mailing lists etc
See the complete guide:
http://incubator.apache.org/guides/retirement.html
Basically SVN is readonly then, project is not actively maintained anymore.
If somebody wants to revive the project at the ASF later, he can (with
a vote on gneerals list).
>
> On Fri, Apr 13, 2012 at 10:30 AM, Julien Vermillard
> <jv...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> Hi,
>>
>> Due to the reasons exposed later, and mainly due to lack of activity :
>>
>> [ ] +1 Retire the Zeta components project and move to another infra
>> like github
>> [ ] -1 Do not retire the project, because ...
>>
>> This vote is open for the next 72 hours.
>> Julien
--
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https://www.timeandbill.de
Re: [VOTE] retire zeta components from incubation
Posted by Philipp Kamps <pk...@mugo.ca>.
Let's define retire. Moving the code to github. But what about
documentation, website, mailing lists etc
On Fri, Apr 13, 2012 at 10:30 AM, Julien Vermillard
<jv...@gmail.com> wrote:
> Hi,
>
> Due to the reasons exposed later, and mainly due to lack of activity :
>
> [ ] +1 Retire the Zeta components project and move to another infra
> like github
> [ ] -1 Do not retire the project, because ...
>
> This vote is open for the next 72 hours.
> Julien
Re: [VOTE] retire zeta components from incubation
Posted by Benjamin Eberlei <ko...@beberlei.de>.
I volunteered to do a migration of the code to github.
I will do the following steps:
1. Do a SVN to Git migration for every component on its own. Every
component will have its own repository with issue tracker on Github.
2. Rewrite history to add composer.json files to all stable tags
3. Push to Github
Derick already opened an Organization on Github and I guess all current
committers will get write access to it.
Adding composer helps us with the deployment issue in the short term and in
the medium/long term we could maybe setup a pirum channel on github pages
to enable PEAR installation again. Composer can work with classmaps so that
the file/class layout is no problem for autoloading and components become
instantly usable by third parties.
The next step would then be that committers claim components and we
determine the deprecated/abandoned/maintained state of each of them. Every
maintainer is then responsible for getting the tests back running with the
new schema and adding this to travis-ci. I will attempt to do this for one
component as a demonstration.
I can't give a timeframe on this but will highly prioritize this and hope
to get it done within a week.
greetings,
Benjamin
On Fri, Apr 20, 2012 at 11:36 AM, Henri Bergius <he...@iki.fi>wrote:
> Hi,
>
> On Apr 20, 2012 11:26 AM, "Tobias Schlitt" <to...@schlitt.info> wrote:
> > sadly, I did not find time to look into all this stuff. This also seems
> > the reason that Zeta is dying: Time lack.
> >
> > I'm a bit sad, that Zeta is being closed down, but I think that it's the
> > logical way to go.
>
> I think the important part is that PHP is finally starting to have a
> reasonable infrastructure for having a proper ecosystem:
>
> * Composer for dependency handling and easy library publishing
> * PSR-0 for standard autoloading
> * GitHub for collaborative development
> * Travis for continuous integration
>
> These four combined make it much easier to publish simpler, more decoupled
> libraries that "just works". Node.js has a very similar infrastructure with
> NPM, and there indeed this has produced hundreds of compatible modules that
> are widely used, and that don't need any sort of monolithic project
> governance structure.
>
> I think there is still a place for an effort advocating library
> interoperability, quality and coding standards. Zeta could be that, but it
> needs to be part of this new ecosystem, not something standing outside of
> it.
>
> > Toby
>
> /Henri
>
Re: [VOTE] retire zeta components from incubation
Posted by James Pic <ja...@gmail.com>.
On Fri, Apr 20, 2012 at 2:31 PM, Derick Rethans <de...@apache.org> wrote:
> On Fri, 20 Apr 2012, André Rømcke wrote:
>
> > but don't we need to setup a light organization / project governance
> around
> > this, some people that have a stake in the project and can oversee the
> > github account[, merging pull requests], github webpages, travis setup
> and
> > potentially also do some release management.
>
> What do you suggest that governance should do?
>
Quality control ! If someone has a lib that matches the components coding
standards and license, i say let it be an official component.
We've seen **many** components made by non core developers that were great
and never got into the components project, although they were totally worth
it (well designed, 100% documented, 100% tested, etc, etc). If the
components project did accept them then it would not have died like this.
All this plan would need is a standard for deployment that encourages
forking and rolling releases.
The strength of the components is actually the talented people that are or
were behind it. Their experience and altruism. The code itself is just a
demonstration of how to do a library right.
Just my 2cent
Re: [VOTE] retire zeta components from incubation
Posted by Derick Rethans <de...@apache.org>.
On Fri, 20 Apr 2012, André Rømcke wrote:
> but don't we need to setup a light organization / project governance around
> this, some people that have a stake in the project and can oversee the
> github account[, merging pull requests], github webpages, travis setup and
> potentially also do some release management.
What do you suggest that governance should do?
> For mail I guess we can use Google groups like php-fig does.
Ugh, never Google Groups. I've set-up a ML as per the other thread.
cheers,
Derick
Re: [VOTE] retire zeta components from incubation
Posted by André Rømcke <ar...@ez.no>.
On Fri, Apr 20, 2012 at 11:36 AM, Henri Bergius <he...@iki.fi>wrote:
> Hi,
>
> On Apr 20, 2012 11:26 AM, "Tobias Schlitt" <to...@schlitt.info> wrote:
> > sadly, I did not find time to look into all this stuff. This also seems
> > the reason that Zeta is dying: Time lack.
> >
> > I'm a bit sad, that Zeta is being closed down, but I think that it's the
> > logical way to go.
>
> I think the important part is that PHP is finally starting to have a
> reasonable infrastructure for having a proper ecosystem:
>
> * Composer for dependency handling and easy library publishing
> * PSR-0 for standard autoloading
> * GitHub for collaborative development
> * Travis for continuous integration
>
> These four combined make it much easier to publish simpler, more decoupled
> libraries that "just works". Node.js has a very similar infrastructure with
> NPM, and there indeed this has produced hundreds of compatible modules that
> are widely used, and that don't need any sort of monolithic project
> governance structure.
>
> I think there is still a place for an effort advocating library
> interoperability, quality and coding standards. Zeta could be that, but it
> needs to be part of this new ecosystem, not something standing outside of
> it.
>
Good points,
but don't we need to setup a light organization / project governance around
this, some people that have a stake in the project and can oversee the
github account[, merging pull requests], github webpages, travis setup and
potentially also do some release management.
For mail I guess we can use Google groups like php-fig does.
Related thread on share.ez.no:
http://share.ez.no/forums/general/how-is-zeta-components
> > Toby
>
> /Henri
>
- ar
Re: [VOTE] retire zeta components from incubation
Posted by Henri Bergius <he...@iki.fi>.
Hi,
On Apr 20, 2012 11:26 AM, "Tobias Schlitt" <to...@schlitt.info> wrote:
> sadly, I did not find time to look into all this stuff. This also seems
> the reason that Zeta is dying: Time lack.
>
> I'm a bit sad, that Zeta is being closed down, but I think that it's the
> logical way to go.
I think the important part is that PHP is finally starting to have a
reasonable infrastructure for having a proper ecosystem:
* Composer for dependency handling and easy library publishing
* PSR-0 for standard autoloading
* GitHub for collaborative development
* Travis for continuous integration
These four combined make it much easier to publish simpler, more decoupled
libraries that "just works". Node.js has a very similar infrastructure with
NPM, and there indeed this has produced hundreds of compatible modules that
are widely used, and that don't need any sort of monolithic project
governance structure.
I think there is still a place for an effort advocating library
interoperability, quality and coding standards. Zeta could be that, but it
needs to be part of this new ecosystem, not something standing outside of
it.
> Toby
/Henri
Re: [VOTE] retire zeta components from incubation
Posted by Thomas Nunninger <th...@nunninger.info>.
Hi,
Am Freitag, 20. April 2012, 11:25:20 schrieb Tobias Schlitt:
> Hi,
[snip]
> sadly, I did not find time to look into all this stuff. This also seems
> the reason that Zeta is dying: Time lack.
>
> I'm a bit sad, that Zeta is being closed down, but I think that it's the
> logical way to go.
>
> Since I won't find any time to take care for it in the near future, I
> cannot go any other way than vote
Nice to see some reactions of the core developers. Especially thanks to Toby
because of the very clear words.
It's really sad to see that the Zeta Components did not reached it's goals
here at Apache. It's sad to see that the core committers are not able to
maintain the project. It's sad to see no more development. (It's sad that I
wasn't able to support the Components more.) Probably github is a better
place. But I do not expect more life there.
What I'm missing:
- What's the future of the Components? Is it just maintenance mode?
- What's the legal/license situation regarding the history/eZ Systems?
- What's eZ's position? (I guess they are most interested in a clear situation
of the project.)
Would it be helpful to have an IRC meeting to discuss the future? (Or is it to
political to speak clear words where everything is perhaps somehow logged?)
Thomas
Re: [VOTE] retire zeta components from incubation
Posted by Tobias Schlitt <to...@schlitt.info>.
Hi,
On 04/13/2012 10:30 AM, Julien Vermillard wrote:
> Due to the reasons exposed later, and mainly due to lack of activity :
>
> [ ] +1 Retire the Zeta components project and move to another infra
> like github
> [ ] -1 Do not retire the project, because ...
sadly, I did not find time to look into all this stuff. This also seems
the reason that Zeta is dying: Time lack.
I'm a bit sad, that Zeta is being closed down, but I think that it's the
logical way to go.
Since I won't find any time to take care for it in the near future, I
cannot go any other way than vote
±0
for the retirement. If anyone feels to have the time for taking care of
the project, I'd be rather happy. However, due to business reasons, I
personally cannot.
Benjamin just proposed to move the code to a Github organization, which
I find the best solution for now.
Best regards,
Toby
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Re: [VOTE] retire zeta components from incubation
Posted by Christian Grobmeier <gr...@gmail.com>.
On Fri, Apr 20, 2012 at 11:19 AM, Kore Nordmann <ma...@kore-nordmann.de> wrote:
> On Fri, 2012-04-13 at 10:30 +0200, Julien Vermillard wrote:
>> Hi,
>>
>> Due to the reasons exposed later, and mainly due to lack of activity :
>>
>> [ ] +1 Retire the Zeta components project and move to another infra
>> like github
>> [ ] -1 Do not retire the project, because ...
>
> ±0
>
> I do not want to vote on this because of a bunch of reasons. But since
> you seem to be waiting for a vote from my / our side I still send this
> mail.
If your reasons are related to the project we are all interested in them.
Cheers!
> Cheers,
> Kore
>
> --
> Kore Nordmann (GPG 0xDDC70BBB)
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> - Motivate me: http://wishlist.kore-nordmann.de/
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Re: [VOTE] retire zeta components from incubation
Posted by Kore Nordmann <ma...@kore-nordmann.de>.
On Fri, 2012-04-13 at 10:30 +0200, Julien Vermillard wrote:
> Hi,
>
> Due to the reasons exposed later, and mainly due to lack of activity :
>
> [ ] +1 Retire the Zeta components project and move to another infra
> like github
> [ ] -1 Do not retire the project, because ...
±0
I do not want to vote on this because of a bunch of reasons. But since
you seem to be waiting for a vote from my / our side I still send this
mail.
Cheers,
Kore
--
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- What I do: http://kore-nordmann.de/portfolio.html
- Motivate me: http://wishlist.kore-nordmann.de/
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Re: [VOTE] retire zeta components from incubation
Posted by Daniel Fahlke <fl...@googlemail.com>.
Am 13. April 2012 10:30 schrieb Julien Vermillard <jv...@gmail.com>:
> Hi,
>
> Due to the reasons exposed later, and mainly due to lack of activity :
>
> [ ] +1 Retire the Zeta components project and move to another infra
> like github
> [ ] -1 Do not retire the project, because ...
>
> This vote is open for the next 72 hours.
> Julien
>
+1
(+1 for github/git based infra)
Re: [VOTE] retire zeta components from incubation
Posted by Christian Grobmeier <gr...@gmail.com>.
Guys as much as I appreciate the progressive discussions on Github-
can we please VOTE on this thread and use another mailing thread for
discussions? It makes it almost impossible for Julien to count the
votes.
Thanks!
2012/4/15 Jérôme Vieilledent <jv...@ez.no>:
> No, as far as I know there is no fee but donation is of course encouraged ;-)
>
> ---
> Jérôme Vieilledent
> Software engineer
>
> eZ Systems | 26 rue de la République, 69002 Lyon, France
>
> mailto:jv@ez.no
> skype lolautruche | twitter @jvieilledent
>
>
> Le dimanche 15 avril 2012 à 10:21, Maxime Thomas a écrit :
>
>> Travis seems good, no host on our side.
>> Is there a fee or something ?
>>
>> Le 14 avril 2012 18:11, Jérôme Vieilledent <jv@ez.no (mailto:jv@ez.no)> a écrit :
>>
>> > About CI, we could use Travis. It works perfectly with Github and PHPUnit.
>> > Several PHP projects already use it
>> >
>> > ---
>> > Jérôme Vieilledent
>> > Software engineer
>> >
>> > eZ Systems | 26 rue de la République, 69002 Lyon, France
>> >
>> > mailto:jv@ez.no
>> > skype lolautruche | twitter @jvieilledent
>> >
>> >
>> > Le samedi 14 avril 2012 à 18:04, Gaetano Giunta a écrit :
>> >
>> > > Derick Rethans wrote:
>> > > > On Fri, 13 Apr 2012, Julien Vermillard wrote:
>> > > >
>> > > > > Due to the reasons exposed later, and mainly due to lack of activity
>> > :
>> > > > >
>> > > > > [X] +1 Retire the Zeta components project and move to another infra
>> > > > > like github
>> > > > >
>> > > >
>> > > >
>> > > > I think it'd work better on github, but still, there needs to be a
>> > > > release at some point.
>> > > >
>> > >
>> > >
>> > > I think github is ok for hosting the code. Pull requests and
>> > cherry-picks rock.
>> > > And moving to git can have some nice PR.
>> > >
>> > > Things I'm a bit worried about is the rest of infrastructure:
>> > > - github tracker is really de suck (imho of course)
>> > > - where do we move the ml?
>> > > - build/ci servers
>> > >
>> > > Bye
>> > > Gaetano
>> > >
>> > > > cheers,
>> > > > Derick
>> > > >
>> > >
>> > >
>> >
>> >
>>
>>
>>
>> --
>> Maxime
>> maxime.thomas@wascou.org | www.wascou.org | http://twitter.com/wascou
>>
>>
>
>
--
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https://www.timeandbill.de
Re: [VOTE] retire zeta components from incubation
Posted by Maxime Thomas <ma...@gmail.com>.
We also talked few months ago about extra tools for code reviewing.
Do we still need them or GitHub is ok on that ?
What do you think ?
Le 15 avril 2012 10:26, Jérôme Vieilledent <jv...@ez.no> a écrit :
> No, as far as I know there is no fee but donation is of course encouraged
> ;-)
>
> ---
> Jérôme Vieilledent
> Software engineer
>
> eZ Systems | 26 rue de la République, 69002 Lyon, France
>
> mailto:jv@ez.no
> skype lolautruche | twitter @jvieilledent
>
>
> Le dimanche 15 avril 2012 à 10:21, Maxime Thomas a écrit :
>
> > Travis seems good, no host on our side.
> > Is there a fee or something ?
> >
> > Le 14 avril 2012 18:11, Jérôme Vieilledent <jv@ez.no (mailto:jv@ez.no)>
> a écrit :
> >
> > > About CI, we could use Travis. It works perfectly with Github and
> PHPUnit.
> > > Several PHP projects already use it
> > >
> > > ---
> > > Jérôme Vieilledent
> > > Software engineer
> > >
> > > eZ Systems | 26 rue de la République, 69002 Lyon, France
> > >
> > > mailto:jv@ez.no
> > > skype lolautruche | twitter @jvieilledent
> > >
> > >
> > > Le samedi 14 avril 2012 à 18:04, Gaetano Giunta a écrit :
> > >
> > > > Derick Rethans wrote:
> > > > > On Fri, 13 Apr 2012, Julien Vermillard wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > > Due to the reasons exposed later, and mainly due to lack of
> activity
> > > :
> > > > > >
> > > > > > [X] +1 Retire the Zeta components project and move to another
> infra
> > > > > > like github
> > > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > I think it'd work better on github, but still, there needs to be a
> > > > > release at some point.
> > > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > I think github is ok for hosting the code. Pull requests and
> > > cherry-picks rock.
> > > > And moving to git can have some nice PR.
> > > >
> > > > Things I'm a bit worried about is the rest of infrastructure:
> > > > - github tracker is really de suck (imho of course)
> > > > - where do we move the ml?
> > > > - build/ci servers
> > > >
> > > > Bye
> > > > Gaetano
> > > >
> > > > > cheers,
> > > > > Derick
> > > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > >
> > >
> >
> >
> >
> > --
> > Maxime
> > maxime.thomas@wascou.org | www.wascou.org | http://twitter.com/wascou
> >
> >
>
>
>
--
Maxime
maxime.thomas@wascou.org | www.wascou.org | http://twitter.com/wascou
Re: [VOTE] retire zeta components from incubation
Posted by Jérôme Vieilledent <jv...@ez.no>.
No, as far as I know there is no fee but donation is of course encouraged ;-)
---
Jérôme Vieilledent
Software engineer
eZ Systems | 26 rue de la République, 69002 Lyon, France
mailto:jv@ez.no
skype lolautruche | twitter @jvieilledent
Le dimanche 15 avril 2012 à 10:21, Maxime Thomas a écrit :
> Travis seems good, no host on our side.
> Is there a fee or something ?
>
> Le 14 avril 2012 18:11, Jérôme Vieilledent <jv@ez.no (mailto:jv@ez.no)> a écrit :
>
> > About CI, we could use Travis. It works perfectly with Github and PHPUnit.
> > Several PHP projects already use it
> >
> > ---
> > Jérôme Vieilledent
> > Software engineer
> >
> > eZ Systems | 26 rue de la République, 69002 Lyon, France
> >
> > mailto:jv@ez.no
> > skype lolautruche | twitter @jvieilledent
> >
> >
> > Le samedi 14 avril 2012 à 18:04, Gaetano Giunta a écrit :
> >
> > > Derick Rethans wrote:
> > > > On Fri, 13 Apr 2012, Julien Vermillard wrote:
> > > >
> > > > > Due to the reasons exposed later, and mainly due to lack of activity
> > :
> > > > >
> > > > > [X] +1 Retire the Zeta components project and move to another infra
> > > > > like github
> > > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > I think it'd work better on github, but still, there needs to be a
> > > > release at some point.
> > > >
> > >
> > >
> > > I think github is ok for hosting the code. Pull requests and
> > cherry-picks rock.
> > > And moving to git can have some nice PR.
> > >
> > > Things I'm a bit worried about is the rest of infrastructure:
> > > - github tracker is really de suck (imho of course)
> > > - where do we move the ml?
> > > - build/ci servers
> > >
> > > Bye
> > > Gaetano
> > >
> > > > cheers,
> > > > Derick
> > > >
> > >
> > >
> >
> >
>
>
>
> --
> Maxime
> maxime.thomas@wascou.org | www.wascou.org | http://twitter.com/wascou
>
>
Re: [VOTE] retire zeta components from incubation
Posted by Maxime Thomas <ma...@gmail.com>.
Travis seems good, no host on our side.
Is there a fee or something ?
Le 14 avril 2012 18:11, Jérôme Vieilledent <jv...@ez.no> a écrit :
> About CI, we could use Travis. It works perfectly with Github and PHPUnit.
> Several PHP projects already use it
>
> ---
> Jérôme Vieilledent
> Software engineer
>
> eZ Systems | 26 rue de la République, 69002 Lyon, France
>
> mailto:jv@ez.no
> skype lolautruche | twitter @jvieilledent
>
>
> Le samedi 14 avril 2012 à 18:04, Gaetano Giunta a écrit :
>
> > Derick Rethans wrote:
> > > On Fri, 13 Apr 2012, Julien Vermillard wrote:
> > >
> > > > Due to the reasons exposed later, and mainly due to lack of activity
> :
> > > >
> > > > [X] +1 Retire the Zeta components project and move to another infra
> > > > like github
> > > >
> > >
> > > I think it'd work better on github, but still, there needs to be a
> > > release at some point.
> > >
> >
> > I think github is ok for hosting the code. Pull requests and
> cherry-picks rock.
> > And moving to git can have some nice PR.
> >
> > Things I'm a bit worried about is the rest of infrastructure:
> > - github tracker is really de suck (imho of course)
> > - where do we move the ml?
> > - build/ci servers
> >
> > Bye
> > Gaetano
> >
> > > cheers,
> > > Derick
> > >
> >
> >
> >
>
>
>
--
Maxime
maxime.thomas@wascou.org | www.wascou.org | http://twitter.com/wascou
Re: [VOTE] retire zeta components from incubation
Posted by Jérôme Vieilledent <jv...@ez.no>.
About CI, we could use Travis. It works perfectly with Github and PHPUnit. Several PHP projects already use it
---
Jérôme Vieilledent
Software engineer
eZ Systems | 26 rue de la République, 69002 Lyon, France
mailto:jv@ez.no
skype lolautruche | twitter @jvieilledent
Le samedi 14 avril 2012 à 18:04, Gaetano Giunta a écrit :
> Derick Rethans wrote:
> > On Fri, 13 Apr 2012, Julien Vermillard wrote:
> >
> > > Due to the reasons exposed later, and mainly due to lack of activity :
> > >
> > > [X] +1 Retire the Zeta components project and move to another infra
> > > like github
> > >
> >
> > I think it'd work better on github, but still, there needs to be a
> > release at some point.
> >
>
> I think github is ok for hosting the code. Pull requests and cherry-picks rock.
> And moving to git can have some nice PR.
>
> Things I'm a bit worried about is the rest of infrastructure:
> - github tracker is really de suck (imho of course)
> - where do we move the ml?
> - build/ci servers
>
> Bye
> Gaetano
>
> > cheers,
> > Derick
> >
>
>
>
Re: [VOTE] retire zeta components from incubation
Posted by Derick Rethans <de...@apache.org>.
On Sat, 14 Apr 2012, Gaetano Giunta wrote:
> Derick Rethans wrote:
> > On Fri, 13 Apr 2012, Julien Vermillard wrote:
> >
> > > Due to the reasons exposed later, and mainly due to lack of activity :
> > >
> > > [X] +1 Retire the Zeta components project and move to another infra
> > > like github
> > I think it'd work better on github, but still, there needs to be a
> > release at some point.
>
> I think github is ok for hosting the code. Pull requests and
> cherry-picks rock.
Pull requests do, but cherry picking is a hack!
> And moving to git can have some nice PR.
>
> Things I'm a bit worried about is the rest of infrastructure:
> - github tracker is really de suck (imho of course)
> - where do we move the ml?
I can easily host the mailinglist and set-up a mantis project for it.
cheers,
Derick
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Re: [VOTE] retire zeta components from incubation
Posted by Gaetano Giunta <gi...@gmail.com>.
Derick Rethans wrote:
> On Fri, 13 Apr 2012, Julien Vermillard wrote:
>
>> Due to the reasons exposed later, and mainly due to lack of activity :
>>
>> [X] +1 Retire the Zeta components project and move to another infra
>> like github
> I think it'd work better on github, but still, there needs to be a
> release at some point.
I think github is ok for hosting the code. Pull requests and cherry-picks rock.
And moving to git can have some nice PR.
Things I'm a bit worried about is the rest of infrastructure:
- github tracker is really de suck (imho of course)
- where do we move the ml?
- build/ci servers
Bye
Gaetano
> cheers,
> Derick
>
Re: [VOTE] retire zeta components from incubation
Posted by David Neilsen <da...@panmedia.co.nz>.
Seems pretty obvious +1
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2012/4/14 Philippe VINCENT-ROYOL <vi...@gmail.com>
> +1 github
>
> --
> Philippe VINCENT-ROYOL
>
>
> Le vendredi 13 avril 2012 à 18:55, Ronan Guilloux a écrit :
>
> > +1
> > & github FTW
> >
> > --
> > Ronan Guilloux
> >
> >
>
>
>
Re: [VOTE] retire zeta components from incubation
Posted by Philippe VINCENT-ROYOL <vi...@gmail.com>.
+1 github
--
Philippe VINCENT-ROYOL
Le vendredi 13 avril 2012 à 18:55, Ronan Guilloux a écrit :
> +1
> & github FTW
>
> --
> Ronan Guilloux
>
>
Re: [VOTE] retire zeta components from incubation
Posted by Ronan Guilloux <ro...@gmail.com>.
+1
& github FTW
--
Ronan Guilloux
Re: [VOTE] retire zeta components from incubation
Posted by Derick Rethans <de...@apache.org>.
On Fri, 13 Apr 2012, Julien Vermillard wrote:
> Due to the reasons exposed later, and mainly due to lack of activity :
>
> [X] +1 Retire the Zeta components project and move to another infra
> like github
I think it'd work better on github, but still, there needs to be a
release at some point.
cheers,
Derick
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Re: [VOTE] retire zeta components from incubation
Posted by James Pic <ja...@gmail.com>.
+1 GitHub rocks your socks !
Re: [VOTE] retire zeta components from incubation
Posted by Julien Vermillard <jv...@gmail.com>.
On Mon, Apr 16, 2012 at 6:12 PM, Benjamin Eberlei <ko...@beberlei.de> wrote:
> +1 for github
>
> On Mon, Apr 16, 2012 at 9:17 AM, Christian Grobmeier <gr...@gmail.com>wrote:
>
>> On Mon, Apr 16, 2012 at 2:30 AM, Ole Marius Smestad <om...@apache.org>
>> wrote:
>> > On Friday 13. April 2012 at 10:30, Julien Vermillard wrote:
>> >> Hi,
>> >>
>> >> Due to the reasons exposed later, and mainly due to lack of activity :
>> >>
>> >> [X] +1 Retire the Zeta components project and move to another infra
>> >> like github
>> >
>> > (I am ambivalent about this vote, but...)
>> >
>> > I do think that this project can do nicely on github, and what Christian
>> and Julien said about the state of community seems accurate.
>> >
>> > That being said, I also think think that James' suggestion should be
>> considered, it doesn't seem necessary to block a release, for test
>> infrastructure changes, which presumably can be done at a later point.
>>
>> We have no rush with retiring this project. If you feel that you guys
>> want stay at the ASF no problem. In this case please lets make up a
>> plan and set some kind of a date at which we reflect the situation
>> again. If you want to give it another try change your vote to -1 and
>> lets discuss it again. Surely you'll find open ears.
>>
>> Cheers
>> Christian
Hi,
Before closing the vote, it would be nice to have a vote of all the
involved zeta commiters,
if you belive this podling have a chance to regain activity and
cutting release, you can vote against the retirement of apache
incubator.
Julien
Re: [VOTE] retire zeta components from incubation
Posted by Benjamin Eberlei <ko...@beberlei.de>.
+1 for github
On Mon, Apr 16, 2012 at 9:17 AM, Christian Grobmeier <gr...@gmail.com>wrote:
> On Mon, Apr 16, 2012 at 2:30 AM, Ole Marius Smestad <om...@apache.org>
> wrote:
> > On Friday 13. April 2012 at 10:30, Julien Vermillard wrote:
> >> Hi,
> >>
> >> Due to the reasons exposed later, and mainly due to lack of activity :
> >>
> >> [X] +1 Retire the Zeta components project and move to another infra
> >> like github
> >
> > (I am ambivalent about this vote, but...)
> >
> > I do think that this project can do nicely on github, and what Christian
> and Julien said about the state of community seems accurate.
> >
> > That being said, I also think think that James' suggestion should be
> considered, it doesn't seem necessary to block a release, for test
> infrastructure changes, which presumably can be done at a later point.
>
> We have no rush with retiring this project. If you feel that you guys
> want stay at the ASF no problem. In this case please lets make up a
> plan and set some kind of a date at which we reflect the situation
> again. If you want to give it another try change your vote to -1 and
> lets discuss it again. Surely you'll find open ears.
>
> Cheers
> Christian
>
>
> >
> >
> > --
> > Regards,
> > Ole Marius
> >
>
>
>
> --
> http://www.grobmeier.de
> https://www.timeandbill.de
>
Re: [VOTE] retire zeta components from incubation
Posted by Christian Grobmeier <gr...@gmail.com>.
On Mon, Apr 16, 2012 at 2:30 AM, Ole Marius Smestad <om...@apache.org> wrote:
> On Friday 13. April 2012 at 10:30, Julien Vermillard wrote:
>> Hi,
>>
>> Due to the reasons exposed later, and mainly due to lack of activity :
>>
>> [X] +1 Retire the Zeta components project and move to another infra
>> like github
>
> (I am ambivalent about this vote, but...)
>
> I do think that this project can do nicely on github, and what Christian and Julien said about the state of community seems accurate.
>
> That being said, I also think think that James' suggestion should be considered, it doesn't seem necessary to block a release, for test infrastructure changes, which presumably can be done at a later point.
We have no rush with retiring this project. If you feel that you guys
want stay at the ASF no problem. In this case please lets make up a
plan and set some kind of a date at which we reflect the situation
again. If you want to give it another try change your vote to -1 and
lets discuss it again. Surely you'll find open ears.
Cheers
Christian
>
>
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> Regards,
> Ole Marius
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Re: [VOTE] retire zeta components from incubation
Posted by Ole Marius Smestad <om...@apache.org>.
On Friday 13. April 2012 at 10:30, Julien Vermillard wrote:
> Hi,
>
> Due to the reasons exposed later, and mainly due to lack of activity :
>
> [X] +1 Retire the Zeta components project and move to another infra
> like github
(I am ambivalent about this vote, but...)
I do think that this project can do nicely on github, and what Christian and Julien said about the state of community seems accurate.
That being said, I also think think that James' suggestion should be considered, it doesn't seem necessary to block a release, for test infrastructure changes, which presumably can be done at a later point.
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Regards,
Ole Marius
[RESULT] Re: [VOTE] retire zeta components from incubation
Posted by Julien Vermillard <jv...@gmail.com>.
So let's close the vote :
+1 binding : grobmeier, beberlei, derick, jpic, oms, rolandb,
+0 binding : kore, toby
-1 none
So let's close this podling.
Julien
On Fri, Apr 13, 2012 at 10:30 AM, Julien Vermillard
<jv...@gmail.com> wrote:
> Hi,
>
> Due to the reasons exposed later, and mainly due to lack of activity :
>
> [ ] +1 Retire the Zeta components project and move to another infra
> like github
> [ ] -1 Do not retire the project, because ...
>
> This vote is open for the next 72 hours.
> Julien