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Posted to dev@shiro.apache.org by Les Hazlewood <le...@hazlewood.com> on 2008/07/01 16:23:35 UTC
Re: [jsecurity-user] Redirected to Previous Page after login
CC'ing to dev so our mentors can review...
On Tue, Jul 1, 2008 at 10:19 AM, Les Hazlewood <le...@hazlewood.com> wrote:
> Actually, in our Incubator Proposal, section 3.1, we had asked for 4 lists,
> one of which was a user list, the intention of which was to have it from day
> one. This was publicly available for review by anyone for weeks. The
> proposal was reviewed extensively and voted upon by the Incubator PMC, and
> no one once said that a user list should be postponed.
>
> I don't know where you've seen arguments to sticking with the dev list for
> now - I've never heard of these, and I'm rather surprised that a user list
> does not yet exist.
>
> I guess what I'm saying is that the Proposal has been voted upon and
> approved - there is no further need to vote internally for a user list. If
> you want to hold a vote, it should be to reverse what has already been
> approved - that we vote to _not_ set up the already-approved list.
>
> I will vote a hearty -1 for such a proposal. User lists have nothing to do
> with traffic and have everything to do with routing. Most end-users don't
> want to be bothered by architecture or implementation internal details. And
> since we don't have a Forum product in the Incubator infrastructure, there
> is _no_ outlet for end users for communication other than the current dev
> list. That is not what the dev list is for. That we already have more user
> subscribers than dev subscribers in our current infrastructure should shed
> to light its importance and reason for provisioning.
>
> My .02
>
>
> On Tue, Jul 1, 2008 at 9:56 AM, Jeremy Haile <jh...@fastmail.fm> wrote:
>
>> This has been discussed several times on the incubator list, and has
>> always been left somewhat unanswered. If we need to hold a vote on it, we
>> can but the current decision and what was in our original proposal was to
>> just have a dev list at the beginning.
>> Alan, based on past experience, recommended not creating a user list until
>> there was enough traffic so as to have a more interesting list to subscribe
>> to and not have a list that's mostly dead.
>>
>> I don't agree with setting one up immediately (i.e. without discussion
>> and/or a vote), especially since there have been arguments for sticking with
>> just the dev list for now. I don't see why a project should have multiple
>> lists if the traffic on one list is small.
>>
>> Jeremy
>>
>>
>> On Jul 1, 2008, at 9:46 AM, Les Hazlewood wrote:
>>
>>
>>
>> On Tue, Jul 1, 2008 at 8:56 AM, Jeremy Haile <jh...@fastmail.fm> wrote:
>>
>>> No. There is no jsecurity-user@incubator.apache.org list. We are not
>>> adding a user list until we have enough traffic on dev to require one.
>>
>>
>> I didn't know there wasn't one yet. Who determined that "we are not
>> adding a user list until we have enough traffic on dev to require one"? Is
>> this an Incubator practice?
>>
>> A user list has nothing to do with traffic - it has to do with routing
>> appropriate requests - dev list posts are for the people committing to and
>> contributing to the project. User list posts are for end users who just
>> want to ask questions or help other end users out.
>>
>> If we don't have a user list set up, I'm cc'ing Alan and Craig - every OS
>> project should have these two lists at a bare minimum... We have a user
>> list now, with more subscribers on it than the dev list - we need to mirror
>> this in the incubator infrastructure.
>>
>> Alan, Craig? Can we get this set up asap?
>>
>> - Les
>>
>> use the jsecurity-dev@incubator.apache.org list for any questions related
>>> to JSecurity.
>>>
>>> You can find information on our mailing lists and how to subscribe here:
>>> http://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/JSEC/Mailing+Lists
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On Jul 1, 2008, at 8:40 AM, Peter Ledbrook wrote:
>>>
>>> 2008/7/1 Les Hazlewood <le...@hazlewood.com>:
>>>>
>>>>> P.S. Also, just a friendly reminder - please use the
>>>>> jsecurity-user@incubator.apache.org list. We'll be moving away from
>>>>> the
>>>>> codehaus lists shortly!
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Do we have this yet? I thought we only had "jsecurity-dev" so far?
>>>>
>>>> Cheers,
>>>>
>>>> Peter
>>>>
>>>> ---------------------------------------------------------------------
>>>> To unsubscribe from this list, please visit:
>>>>
>>>> http://xircles.codehaus.org/manage_email
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>> ---------------------------------------------------------------------
>>> To unsubscribe from this list, please visit:
>>>
>>> http://xircles.codehaus.org/manage_email
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>
>>
>
Re: [jsecurity-user] Redirected to Previous Page after login
Posted by "Alan D. Cabrera" <li...@toolazydogs.com>.
https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/INFRA-1667
Regards,
Alan
On Jul 1, 2008, at 8:49 AM, Alan D. Cabrera wrote:
> It doesn't matter if it's in the proposal or not. If the community
> wants it they can get it.
>
> I'll file a request today.
>
>
> Regards,
> Alan
>
> On Jul 1, 2008, at 7:31 AM, Les Hazlewood wrote:
>
>> Allan D. and Jeremy just forwarded me the email thread stating that
>> the user
>> list might be held off until later.
>>
>> I have no idea how I missed this - I use GMail for mail, and I've
>> searched
>> all folders, and no results come up. That I didn't reply to any of
>> the
>> responses when I was the one who initiated the thread should
>> hopefully be
>> evidence enough that I wasn't aware of it.
>>
>> I believe it should still be set up, per the approved Proposal.
>> Even if the
>> traffic is low, that doesn't hurt anything. The OS world expects
>> at a
>> minimum dev lists and user lists - we should have them both,
>> especially
>> since they have already been approved.
>>
>> On Tue, Jul 1, 2008 at 10:23 AM, Les Hazlewood <le...@hazlewood.com>
>> wrote:
>>
>>> CC'ing to dev so our mentors can review...
>>>
>>>
>>> On Tue, Jul 1, 2008 at 10:19 AM, Les Hazlewood <le...@hazlewood.com>
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>> Actually, in our Incubator Proposal, section 3.1, we had asked
>>>> for 4
>>>> lists, one of which was a user list, the intention of which was
>>>> to have it
>>>> from day one. This was publicly available for review by anyone
>>>> for weeks.
>>>> The proposal was reviewed extensively and voted upon by the
>>>> Incubator PMC,
>>>> and no one once said that a user list should be postponed.
>>>>
>>>> I don't know where you've seen arguments to sticking with the dev
>>>> list for
>>>> now - I've never heard of these, and I'm rather surprised that a
>>>> user list
>>>> does not yet exist.
>>>>
>>>> I guess what I'm saying is that the Proposal has been voted upon
>>>> and
>>>> approved - there is no further need to vote internally for a user
>>>> list. If
>>>> you want to hold a vote, it should be to reverse what has already
>>>> been
>>>> approved - that we vote to _not_ set up the already-approved list.
>>>>
>>>> I will vote a hearty -1 for such a proposal. User lists have
>>>> nothing to
>>>> do with traffic and have everything to do with routing. Most end-
>>>> users
>>>> don't want to be bothered by architecture or implementation
>>>> internal
>>>> details. And since we don't have a Forum product in the Incubator
>>>> infrastructure, there is _no_ outlet for end users for
>>>> communication other
>>>> than the current dev list. That is not what the dev list is
>>>> for. That we
>>>> already have more user subscribers than dev subscribers in our
>>>> current
>>>> infrastructure should shed to light its importance and reason for
>>>> provisioning.
>>>>
>>>> My .02
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On Tue, Jul 1, 2008 at 9:56 AM, Jeremy Haile <jh...@fastmail.fm>
>>>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> This has been discussed several times on the incubator list, and
>>>>> has
>>>>> always been left somewhat unanswered. If we need to hold a vote
>>>>> on it, we
>>>>> can but the current decision and what was in our original
>>>>> proposal was to
>>>>> just have a dev list at the beginning.
>>>>> Alan, based on past experience, recommended not creating a user
>>>>> list
>>>>> until there was enough traffic so as to have a more interesting
>>>>> list to
>>>>> subscribe to and not have a list that's mostly dead.
>>>>>
>>>>> I don't agree with setting one up immediately (i.e. without
>>>>> discussion
>>>>> and/or a vote), especially since there have been arguments for
>>>>> sticking with
>>>>> just the dev list for now. I don't see why a project should
>>>>> have multiple
>>>>> lists if the traffic on one list is small.
>>>>>
>>>>> Jeremy
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> On Jul 1, 2008, at 9:46 AM, Les Hazlewood wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> On Tue, Jul 1, 2008 at 8:56 AM, Jeremy Haile
>>>>> <jh...@fastmail.fm> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> No. There is no jsecurity-user@incubator.apache.org list. We
>>>>>> are not
>>>>>> adding a user list until we have enough traffic on dev to
>>>>>> require one.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> I didn't know there wasn't one yet. Who determined that "we are
>>>>> not
>>>>> adding a user list until we have enough traffic on dev to
>>>>> require one"? Is
>>>>> this an Incubator practice?
>>>>>
>>>>> A user list has nothing to do with traffic - it has to do with
>>>>> routing
>>>>> appropriate requests - dev list posts are for the people
>>>>> committing to and
>>>>> contributing to the project. User list posts are for end users
>>>>> who just
>>>>> want to ask questions or help other end users out.
>>>>>
>>>>> If we don't have a user list set up, I'm cc'ing Alan and Craig -
>>>>> every OS
>>>>> project should have these two lists at a bare minimum... We
>>>>> have a user
>>>>> list now, with more subscribers on it than the dev list - we
>>>>> need to mirror
>>>>> this in the incubator infrastructure.
>>>>>
>>>>> Alan, Craig? Can we get this set up asap?
>>>>>
>>>>> - Les
>>>>>
>>>>> use the jsecurity-dev@incubator.apache.org list for any questions
>>>>>> related to JSecurity.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> You can find information on our mailing lists and how to
>>>>>> subscribe here:
>>>>>> http://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/JSEC/Mailing+Lists
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On Jul 1, 2008, at 8:40 AM, Peter Ledbrook wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> 2008/7/1 Les Hazlewood <le...@hazlewood.com>:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> P.S. Also, just a friendly reminder - please use the
>>>>>>>> jsecurity-user@incubator.apache.org list. We'll be moving
>>>>>>>> away from
>>>>>>>> the
>>>>>>>> codehaus lists shortly!
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Do we have this yet? I thought we only had "jsecurity-dev" so
>>>>>>> far?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Cheers,
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Peter
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> ---------------------------------------------------------------------
>>>>>>> To unsubscribe from this list, please visit:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> http://xircles.codehaus.org/manage_email
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> ---------------------------------------------------------------------
>>>>>> To unsubscribe from this list, please visit:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> http://xircles.codehaus.org/manage_email
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>
>
Re: [jsecurity-user] Redirected to Previous Page after login
Posted by "Alan D. Cabrera" <li...@toolazydogs.com>.
It doesn't matter if it's in the proposal or not. If the community
wants it they can get it.
I'll file a request today.
Regards,
Alan
On Jul 1, 2008, at 7:31 AM, Les Hazlewood wrote:
> Allan D. and Jeremy just forwarded me the email thread stating that
> the user
> list might be held off until later.
>
> I have no idea how I missed this - I use GMail for mail, and I've
> searched
> all folders, and no results come up. That I didn't reply to any of
> the
> responses when I was the one who initiated the thread should
> hopefully be
> evidence enough that I wasn't aware of it.
>
> I believe it should still be set up, per the approved Proposal.
> Even if the
> traffic is low, that doesn't hurt anything. The OS world expects at a
> minimum dev lists and user lists - we should have them both,
> especially
> since they have already been approved.
>
> On Tue, Jul 1, 2008 at 10:23 AM, Les Hazlewood <le...@hazlewood.com>
> wrote:
>
>> CC'ing to dev so our mentors can review...
>>
>>
>> On Tue, Jul 1, 2008 at 10:19 AM, Les Hazlewood <le...@hazlewood.com>
>> wrote:
>>
>>> Actually, in our Incubator Proposal, section 3.1, we had asked for 4
>>> lists, one of which was a user list, the intention of which was to
>>> have it
>>> from day one. This was publicly available for review by anyone
>>> for weeks.
>>> The proposal was reviewed extensively and voted upon by the
>>> Incubator PMC,
>>> and no one once said that a user list should be postponed.
>>>
>>> I don't know where you've seen arguments to sticking with the dev
>>> list for
>>> now - I've never heard of these, and I'm rather surprised that a
>>> user list
>>> does not yet exist.
>>>
>>> I guess what I'm saying is that the Proposal has been voted upon and
>>> approved - there is no further need to vote internally for a user
>>> list. If
>>> you want to hold a vote, it should be to reverse what has already
>>> been
>>> approved - that we vote to _not_ set up the already-approved list.
>>>
>>> I will vote a hearty -1 for such a proposal. User lists have
>>> nothing to
>>> do with traffic and have everything to do with routing. Most end-
>>> users
>>> don't want to be bothered by architecture or implementation internal
>>> details. And since we don't have a Forum product in the Incubator
>>> infrastructure, there is _no_ outlet for end users for
>>> communication other
>>> than the current dev list. That is not what the dev list is for.
>>> That we
>>> already have more user subscribers than dev subscribers in our
>>> current
>>> infrastructure should shed to light its importance and reason for
>>> provisioning.
>>>
>>> My .02
>>>
>>>
>>> On Tue, Jul 1, 2008 at 9:56 AM, Jeremy Haile <jh...@fastmail.fm>
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>> This has been discussed several times on the incubator list, and
>>>> has
>>>> always been left somewhat unanswered. If we need to hold a vote
>>>> on it, we
>>>> can but the current decision and what was in our original
>>>> proposal was to
>>>> just have a dev list at the beginning.
>>>> Alan, based on past experience, recommended not creating a user
>>>> list
>>>> until there was enough traffic so as to have a more interesting
>>>> list to
>>>> subscribe to and not have a list that's mostly dead.
>>>>
>>>> I don't agree with setting one up immediately (i.e. without
>>>> discussion
>>>> and/or a vote), especially since there have been arguments for
>>>> sticking with
>>>> just the dev list for now. I don't see why a project should have
>>>> multiple
>>>> lists if the traffic on one list is small.
>>>>
>>>> Jeremy
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On Jul 1, 2008, at 9:46 AM, Les Hazlewood wrote:
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On Tue, Jul 1, 2008 at 8:56 AM, Jeremy Haile <jh...@fastmail.fm>
>>>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> No. There is no jsecurity-user@incubator.apache.org list. We
>>>>> are not
>>>>> adding a user list until we have enough traffic on dev to
>>>>> require one.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> I didn't know there wasn't one yet. Who determined that "we are
>>>> not
>>>> adding a user list until we have enough traffic on dev to require
>>>> one"? Is
>>>> this an Incubator practice?
>>>>
>>>> A user list has nothing to do with traffic - it has to do with
>>>> routing
>>>> appropriate requests - dev list posts are for the people
>>>> committing to and
>>>> contributing to the project. User list posts are for end users
>>>> who just
>>>> want to ask questions or help other end users out.
>>>>
>>>> If we don't have a user list set up, I'm cc'ing Alan and Craig -
>>>> every OS
>>>> project should have these two lists at a bare minimum... We have
>>>> a user
>>>> list now, with more subscribers on it than the dev list - we need
>>>> to mirror
>>>> this in the incubator infrastructure.
>>>>
>>>> Alan, Craig? Can we get this set up asap?
>>>>
>>>> - Les
>>>>
>>>> use the jsecurity-dev@incubator.apache.org list for any questions
>>>>> related to JSecurity.
>>>>>
>>>>> You can find information on our mailing lists and how to
>>>>> subscribe here:
>>>>> http://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/JSEC/Mailing+Lists
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> On Jul 1, 2008, at 8:40 AM, Peter Ledbrook wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> 2008/7/1 Les Hazlewood <le...@hazlewood.com>:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> P.S. Also, just a friendly reminder - please use the
>>>>>>> jsecurity-user@incubator.apache.org list. We'll be moving
>>>>>>> away from
>>>>>>> the
>>>>>>> codehaus lists shortly!
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Do we have this yet? I thought we only had "jsecurity-dev" so
>>>>>> far?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Cheers,
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Peter
>>>>>>
>>>>>> ---------------------------------------------------------------------
>>>>>> To unsubscribe from this list, please visit:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> http://xircles.codehaus.org/manage_email
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> ---------------------------------------------------------------------
>>>>> To unsubscribe from this list, please visit:
>>>>>
>>>>> http://xircles.codehaus.org/manage_email
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>
Re: [jsecurity-user] Redirected to Previous Page after login
Posted by Les Hazlewood <le...@hazlewood.com>.
Allan D. and Jeremy just forwarded me the email thread stating that the user
list might be held off until later.
I have no idea how I missed this - I use GMail for mail, and I've searched
all folders, and no results come up. That I didn't reply to any of the
responses when I was the one who initiated the thread should hopefully be
evidence enough that I wasn't aware of it.
I believe it should still be set up, per the approved Proposal. Even if the
traffic is low, that doesn't hurt anything. The OS world expects at a
minimum dev lists and user lists - we should have them both, especially
since they have already been approved.
On Tue, Jul 1, 2008 at 10:23 AM, Les Hazlewood <le...@hazlewood.com> wrote:
> CC'ing to dev so our mentors can review...
>
>
> On Tue, Jul 1, 2008 at 10:19 AM, Les Hazlewood <le...@hazlewood.com> wrote:
>
>> Actually, in our Incubator Proposal, section 3.1, we had asked for 4
>> lists, one of which was a user list, the intention of which was to have it
>> from day one. This was publicly available for review by anyone for weeks.
>> The proposal was reviewed extensively and voted upon by the Incubator PMC,
>> and no one once said that a user list should be postponed.
>>
>> I don't know where you've seen arguments to sticking with the dev list for
>> now - I've never heard of these, and I'm rather surprised that a user list
>> does not yet exist.
>>
>> I guess what I'm saying is that the Proposal has been voted upon and
>> approved - there is no further need to vote internally for a user list. If
>> you want to hold a vote, it should be to reverse what has already been
>> approved - that we vote to _not_ set up the already-approved list.
>>
>> I will vote a hearty -1 for such a proposal. User lists have nothing to
>> do with traffic and have everything to do with routing. Most end-users
>> don't want to be bothered by architecture or implementation internal
>> details. And since we don't have a Forum product in the Incubator
>> infrastructure, there is _no_ outlet for end users for communication other
>> than the current dev list. That is not what the dev list is for. That we
>> already have more user subscribers than dev subscribers in our current
>> infrastructure should shed to light its importance and reason for
>> provisioning.
>>
>> My .02
>>
>>
>> On Tue, Jul 1, 2008 at 9:56 AM, Jeremy Haile <jh...@fastmail.fm> wrote:
>>
>>> This has been discussed several times on the incubator list, and has
>>> always been left somewhat unanswered. If we need to hold a vote on it, we
>>> can but the current decision and what was in our original proposal was to
>>> just have a dev list at the beginning.
>>> Alan, based on past experience, recommended not creating a user list
>>> until there was enough traffic so as to have a more interesting list to
>>> subscribe to and not have a list that's mostly dead.
>>>
>>> I don't agree with setting one up immediately (i.e. without discussion
>>> and/or a vote), especially since there have been arguments for sticking with
>>> just the dev list for now. I don't see why a project should have multiple
>>> lists if the traffic on one list is small.
>>>
>>> Jeremy
>>>
>>>
>>> On Jul 1, 2008, at 9:46 AM, Les Hazlewood wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On Tue, Jul 1, 2008 at 8:56 AM, Jeremy Haile <jh...@fastmail.fm> wrote:
>>>
>>>> No. There is no jsecurity-user@incubator.apache.org list. We are not
>>>> adding a user list until we have enough traffic on dev to require one.
>>>
>>>
>>> I didn't know there wasn't one yet. Who determined that "we are not
>>> adding a user list until we have enough traffic on dev to require one"? Is
>>> this an Incubator practice?
>>>
>>> A user list has nothing to do with traffic - it has to do with routing
>>> appropriate requests - dev list posts are for the people committing to and
>>> contributing to the project. User list posts are for end users who just
>>> want to ask questions or help other end users out.
>>>
>>> If we don't have a user list set up, I'm cc'ing Alan and Craig - every OS
>>> project should have these two lists at a bare minimum... We have a user
>>> list now, with more subscribers on it than the dev list - we need to mirror
>>> this in the incubator infrastructure.
>>>
>>> Alan, Craig? Can we get this set up asap?
>>>
>>> - Les
>>>
>>> use the jsecurity-dev@incubator.apache.org list for any questions
>>>> related to JSecurity.
>>>>
>>>> You can find information on our mailing lists and how to subscribe here:
>>>> http://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/JSEC/Mailing+Lists
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On Jul 1, 2008, at 8:40 AM, Peter Ledbrook wrote:
>>>>
>>>> 2008/7/1 Les Hazlewood <le...@hazlewood.com>:
>>>>>
>>>>>> P.S. Also, just a friendly reminder - please use the
>>>>>> jsecurity-user@incubator.apache.org list. We'll be moving away from
>>>>>> the
>>>>>> codehaus lists shortly!
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Do we have this yet? I thought we only had "jsecurity-dev" so far?
>>>>>
>>>>> Cheers,
>>>>>
>>>>> Peter
>>>>>
>>>>> ---------------------------------------------------------------------
>>>>> To unsubscribe from this list, please visit:
>>>>>
>>>>> http://xircles.codehaus.org/manage_email
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>> ---------------------------------------------------------------------
>>>> To unsubscribe from this list, please visit:
>>>>
>>>> http://xircles.codehaus.org/manage_email
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>>
>>
>