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Re: Release Manager for 4.2.0?
On 01/28/2016 04:06 PM, Andrea Pescetti wrote:
> As I wrote a few day ago, in theory it would be good to release
> OpenOffice 4.2.0 in February. If it happens a bit later it wouldn't be a
> big issue, but I believe that, in the constant balance between periods
> where we are focused on talks (internal to OpenOffice and with the
> enlarged community) and periods where we are more focused on the
> OpenOffice product, it's time to start working again towards a release.
>
> For 4.2.0 we need a Release Manager. I would prefer NOT to be the
> Release Manager for 4.2.0 since I'm finding that in this period I can
> help more productively with tasks that do not require constant
> interaction than with tasks that require a constant monitoring of
> project channels.
>
> I am surely available to have a significant role in the 4.2.0 release,
> especially with getting localization working again (actually, this mail
> also serves as announcement that I am going to ask for higher privileges
> on the Pootle server in order to check the translation workflow); but if
> someone else steps in as a Release Manager we could deliver earlier.
>
> So if anyone is interested feel free to discuss this on list, or to
> contact me off-list if you prefer, or to discuss in person at FOSDEM
> next weekend!
>
> Regards,
> Andrea.
>
Hi all--
I am volunteering to be release manager for 4.2.0. I have been involved
in all the AOO releases since 3.40, and I'm familiar with the process.
Like all of us involved with the project, I am a volunteer. Due to this,
I can not provide an expected release date. Releases, as we know are
community efforts. We'll release when we feel 4.2.0 is ready.
So, I will let this offer stand the weekend just in case someone else
feels they'd LOVE to do this. If we don't have any objections to my
being the next release manager over the next 72 hours, we can get
started next week ironing out what needs to be done. We will need LOTS
of help!
--
Kay Schenk
Apache OpenOffice
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RE: Release Manager for 4.2.0?
Posted by "Dennis E. Hamilton" <de...@acm.org>.
I don't have a good place to put this, and 4.2.0 may not be the way to consider it, if we are also counting on an early (this year) 4.2.0 to also provide important maintenance fixes and any security catch-ups too.
One major change that the TDF made to LibreOffice is very important. Instead of producing complete binary sets (Windows x86, MacOSX, Linux32, and Linux64) for *each* localization, LibreOffice provides one complete set for *all* localizations. The off-line Help is only in English, but localized off-line Helps can be obtained as small downloads. The on-line helps reached by default are localized.
You can imagine how this simplifies deployment, including QA and binding votes. They have also been using Windows .msi binaries, with Microsoft's signing method, for some time.
Somehow, it would be good to have a checklist of the kinds of things that we would like to try and confirm using rebuilds of a stable version, not just for emergency releases. There are a number of deployment improvements that could be tested and QA'd that way without worrying about regressions inside of a feature release.
Just a thought.
- Dennis
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Patricia Shanahan [mailto:pats@acm.org]
> Sent: Friday, August 19, 2016 11:30
> To: dev@openoffice.apache.org
> Subject: Re: Release Manager for 4.2.0?
>
>
>
> On 8/19/2016 10:41 AM, Kay Schenk@apache.org wrote:
> >
> > On 01/28/2016 04:06 PM, Andrea Pescetti wrote:
> >> As I wrote a few day ago, in theory it would be good to release
> >> OpenOffice 4.2.0 in February. If it happens a bit later it wouldn't
> be a
> >> big issue, but I believe that, in the constant balance between
> periods
> >> where we are focused on talks (internal to OpenOffice and with the
> >> enlarged community) and periods where we are more focused on the
> >> OpenOffice product, it's time to start working again towards a
> release.
> >>
> >> For 4.2.0 we need a Release Manager. I would prefer NOT to be the
> >> Release Manager for 4.2.0 since I'm finding that in this period I can
> >> help more productively with tasks that do not require constant
> >> interaction than with tasks that require a constant monitoring of
> >> project channels.
> >>
> >> I am surely available to have a significant role in the 4.2.0
> release,
> >> especially with getting localization working again (actually, this
> mail
> >> also serves as announcement that I am going to ask for higher
> privileges
> >> on the Pootle server in order to check the translation workflow); but
> if
> >> someone else steps in as a Release Manager we could deliver earlier.
> >>
> >> So if anyone is interested feel free to discuss this on list, or to
> >> contact me off-list if you prefer, or to discuss in person at FOSDEM
> >> next weekend!
> >>
> >> Regards,
> >> Andrea.
> >>
> >
> > Hi all--
> >
> > I am volunteering to be release manager for 4.2.0. I have been
> involved
> > in all the AOO releases since 3.40, and I'm familiar with the process.
> > Like all of us involved with the project, I am a volunteer. Due to
> this,
> > I can not provide an expected release date. Releases, as we know are
> > community efforts. We'll release when we feel 4.2.0 is ready.
> >
> > So, I will let this offer stand the weekend just in case someone else
> > feels they'd LOVE to do this. If we don't have any objections to my
> > being the next release manager over the next 72 hours, we can get
> > started next week ironing out what needs to be done. We will need LOTS
> > of help!
>
> This looks ideal to me. I would like to learn the release processes, and
> try to document them as completely as possible. I would prefer to learn
> by watching and helping someone who already knows how it is done, than
> by jumping in the deep end and splashing about.
>
> I have an agenda of constructing an emergency release procedure but it
> will be easier if I can first see how the normal process goes.
>
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Re: Release Manager for 4.2.0?
Posted by Andrea Pescetti <pe...@apache.org>.
On 19/08/2016 Patricia Shanahan wrote:
> On 8/19/2016 10:41 AM, Kay Schenk@apache.org wrote:
>> I am volunteering to be release manager for 4.2.0. I have been involved
>> in all the AOO releases since 3.40, and I'm familiar with the process.
>> Like all of us involved with the project, I am a volunteer. Due to this,
>> I can not provide an expected release date. Releases, as we know are
>> community efforts. We'll release when we feel 4.2.0 is ready. ...
> This looks ideal to me. I would like to learn the release processes, and
> try to document them as completely as possible. I would prefer to learn
> by watching and helping someone who already knows how it is done
That's fantastic news, Kay (and Patricia)!
I've just built trunk and committed initial support -still needing work-
for a new language for 4.2.0. And when the time comes for assigning
subtasks for 4.2.0 I'll be ready to do my part.
Patricia: I will surely respect your preferences, but if you'd like to
practice "emergency" (or "bugfix" in general) releases then the best way
would be to focus on a 4.1.3 release. 4.2.0 won't happen soon anyway,
and based on my experience I foresee that all issues will be common
(except localization, and except scope of code changes, much narrower in
4.1.3). So, if you wish, you can be an "apprentice" release manager for
4.2.0 and a "full" release manager for 4.1.3 at the same time, with the
same processes and discussions. If you coordinate with Kay the overhead
on you and the community will be minimal, and we could release both to
our users. As I probably already wrote,
https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/OOOUSERS/AOO+4.1.2 is a good
starting point if you need an overview.
Regards,
Andrea.
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Re: Release Manager for 4.2.0?
Posted by Patricia Shanahan <pa...@acm.org>.
On 8/19/2016 10:41 AM, Kay Schenk@apache.org wrote:
>
> On 01/28/2016 04:06 PM, Andrea Pescetti wrote:
>> As I wrote a few day ago, in theory it would be good to release
>> OpenOffice 4.2.0 in February. If it happens a bit later it wouldn't be a
>> big issue, but I believe that, in the constant balance between periods
>> where we are focused on talks (internal to OpenOffice and with the
>> enlarged community) and periods where we are more focused on the
>> OpenOffice product, it's time to start working again towards a release.
>>
>> For 4.2.0 we need a Release Manager. I would prefer NOT to be the
>> Release Manager for 4.2.0 since I'm finding that in this period I can
>> help more productively with tasks that do not require constant
>> interaction than with tasks that require a constant monitoring of
>> project channels.
>>
>> I am surely available to have a significant role in the 4.2.0 release,
>> especially with getting localization working again (actually, this mail
>> also serves as announcement that I am going to ask for higher privileges
>> on the Pootle server in order to check the translation workflow); but if
>> someone else steps in as a Release Manager we could deliver earlier.
>>
>> So if anyone is interested feel free to discuss this on list, or to
>> contact me off-list if you prefer, or to discuss in person at FOSDEM
>> next weekend!
>>
>> Regards,
>> Andrea.
>>
>
> Hi all--
>
> I am volunteering to be release manager for 4.2.0. I have been involved
> in all the AOO releases since 3.40, and I'm familiar with the process.
> Like all of us involved with the project, I am a volunteer. Due to this,
> I can not provide an expected release date. Releases, as we know are
> community efforts. We'll release when we feel 4.2.0 is ready.
>
> So, I will let this offer stand the weekend just in case someone else
> feels they'd LOVE to do this. If we don't have any objections to my
> being the next release manager over the next 72 hours, we can get
> started next week ironing out what needs to be done. We will need LOTS
> of help!
This looks ideal to me. I would like to learn the release processes, and
try to document them as completely as possible. I would prefer to learn
by watching and helping someone who already knows how it is done, than
by jumping in the deep end and splashing about.
I have an agenda of constructing an emergency release procedure but it
will be easier if I can first see how the normal process goes.
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Re: Release Manager for 4.2.0?
Posted by Marcus <ma...@wtnet.de>.
Am 08/19/2016 07:41 PM, schrieb Kay Schenk@apache.org:
>
> On 01/28/2016 04:06 PM, Andrea Pescetti wrote:
>> As I wrote a few day ago, in theory it would be good to release
>> OpenOffice 4.2.0 in February. If it happens a bit later it wouldn't be a
>> big issue, but I believe that, in the constant balance between periods
>> where we are focused on talks (internal to OpenOffice and with the
>> enlarged community) and periods where we are more focused on the
>> OpenOffice product, it's time to start working again towards a release.
>>
>> For 4.2.0 we need a Release Manager. I would prefer NOT to be the
>> Release Manager for 4.2.0 since I'm finding that in this period I can
>> help more productively with tasks that do not require constant
>> interaction than with tasks that require a constant monitoring of
>> project channels.
>>
>> I am surely available to have a significant role in the 4.2.0 release,
>> especially with getting localization working again (actually, this mail
>> also serves as announcement that I am going to ask for higher privileges
>> on the Pootle server in order to check the translation workflow); but if
>> someone else steps in as a Release Manager we could deliver earlier.
>>
>> So if anyone is interested feel free to discuss this on list, or to
>> contact me off-list if you prefer, or to discuss in person at FOSDEM
>> next weekend!
>>
>> Regards,
>> Andrea.
>>
>
> Hi all--
>
> I am volunteering to be release manager for 4.2.0. I have been involved
> in all the AOO releases since 3.40, and I'm familiar with the process.
> Like all of us involved with the project, I am a volunteer. Due to this,
> I can not provide an expected release date. Releases, as we know are
> community efforts. We'll release when we feel 4.2.0 is ready.
>
> So, I will let this offer stand the weekend just in case someone else
> feels they'd LOVE to do this. If we don't have any objections to my
> being the next release manager over the next 72 hours, we can get
> started next week ironing out what needs to be done. We will need LOTS
> of help!
thanks for volunteering. I'll support you where I can and when my spare
time allows it.
Marcus
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Re: Release Manager for 4.2.0?
Posted by "Kay Schenk@apache.org" <ks...@apache.org>.
On 08/19/2016 08:20 PM, Keith N. McKenna wrote:
>
>>>
>>
>> Hi all--
>>
>> I am volunteering to be release manager for 4.2.0. I have been involved
>> in all the AOO releases since 3.40, and I'm familiar with the process.
>> Like all of us involved with the project, I am a volunteer. Due to this,
>> I can not provide an expected release date. Releases, as we know are
>> community efforts. We'll release when we feel 4.2.0 is ready.
>>
>> So, I will let this offer stand the weekend just in case someone else
>> feels they'd LOVE to do this. If we don't have any objections to my
>> being the next release manager over the next 72 hours, we can get
>> started next week ironing out what needs to be done. We will need LOTS
>> of help!
>>
>>
> Kay that is great for volunteering. I also will help wherever I can.
>
> Keith
>
>
Thanks to all who responded for your support. I'm looking forward to
this new adventure!
--
Kay Schenk
Apache OpenOffice
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Re: Release Manager for 4.2.0?
Posted by "Keith N. McKenna" <ke...@comcast.net>.
>>
>
> Hi all--
>
> I am volunteering to be release manager for 4.2.0. I have been involved
> in all the AOO releases since 3.40, and I'm familiar with the process.
> Like all of us involved with the project, I am a volunteer. Due to this,
> I can not provide an expected release date. Releases, as we know are
> community efforts. We'll release when we feel 4.2.0 is ready.
>
> So, I will let this offer stand the weekend just in case someone else
> feels they'd LOVE to do this. If we don't have any objections to my
> being the next release manager over the next 72 hours, we can get
> started next week ironing out what needs to be done. We will need LOTS
> of help!
>
>
Kay that is great for volunteering. I also will help wherever I can.
Keith
Re: Release Manager for 4.2.0?
Posted by Carl Marcum <cm...@apache.org>.
On 08/19/2016 01:41 PM, Kay Schenk@apache.org wrote:
> Hi all-- I am volunteering to be release manager for 4.2.0. I have
> been involved in all the AOO releases since 3.40, and I'm familiar
> with the process. Like all of us involved with the project, I am a
> volunteer. Due to this, I can not provide an expected release date.
> Releases, as we know are community efforts. We'll release when we feel
> 4.2.0 is ready. So, I will let this offer stand the weekend just in
> case someone else feels they'd LOVE to do this. If we don't have any
> objections to my being the next release manager over the next 72
> hours, we can get started next week ironing out what needs to be done.
> We will need LOTS of help!
That's great !!
Thanks for volunteering and I'll also look for ways to contribute where
possible.
Carl
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