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Posted to dev@openoffice.apache.org by Louis Suárez-Potts <lo...@apache.org> on 2011/11/10 21:19:00 UTC
Help Docs & Proprietary Documentation
During the last year of OOo @ Oracle, a lot of rather good material
was created to help/train users fresh (or forgetful) to OpenOffice.org
and Oracle Open Office. This material as created by Oracle was
proprietary: O owned it.
So, my query. What has become of it? It has little value, as far as I
can tell, for Oracle, at this point. But it would prove immensely
useful for many constituting the OOo (now AOO, I'd guess) ecosystem.
(Building that ecosystem was one of my primary tasks, and I like to
think I did fairly well at it.)
Does anyone know what happened to the material? And, if Apache now has
it, can we license it or simply permit it for ecosystem use under the
appropriate conditions and license? My preference would be to make all
training and educational material free (in all senses) and to
recuperate costs with actual services provided.
Thanks
Louis
Re: Help Docs & Proprietary Documentation
Posted by Dave Fisher <da...@comcast.net>.
Hi Louis,
I found this email in my drafts today, and I want to ask for further clarification if you can provide it.
On Nov 10, 2011, at 12:19 PM, Louis Suárez-Potts wrote:
> During the last year of OOo @ Oracle, a lot of rather good material
> was created to help/train users fresh (or forgetful) to OpenOffice.org
> and Oracle Open Office. This material as created by Oracle was
> proprietary: O owned it.
>
> So, my query. What has become of it? It has little value, as far as I
> can tell, for Oracle, at this point. But it would prove immensely
> useful for many constituting the OOo (now AOO, I'd guess) ecosystem.
> (Building that ecosystem was one of my primary tasks, and I like to
> think I did fairly well at it.)
>
> Does anyone know what happened to the material? And, if Apache now has
> it, can we license it or simply permit it for ecosystem use under the
> appropriate conditions and license? My preference would be to make all
> training and educational material free (in all senses) and to
> recuperate costs with actual services provided.
Where did this material get placed? Was it in Kenai or some other system? Can you give enough information so that we can do a search of what we have? Filenames? Where was it located when you left Oracle?
Best Regards,
Dave
Re: Help Docs & Proprietary Documentation
Posted by Louis Suárez-Potts <ls...@gmail.com>.
hi
On 10 November 2011 15:26, Danese Cooper <da...@gmail.com> wrote:
> You'll want to ask Andrew Rist.
I thought I just did :-)
Louis
>
> D
>
> On Thu, Nov 10, 2011 at 12:19 PM, Louis Suárez-Potts <lo...@apache.org>wrote:
>
>> During the last year of OOo @ Oracle, a lot of rather good material
>> was created to help/train users fresh (or forgetful) to OpenOffice.org
>> and Oracle Open Office. This material as created by Oracle was
>> proprietary: O owned it.
>>
>> So, my query. What has become of it? It has little value, as far as I
>> can tell, for Oracle, at this point. But it would prove immensely
>> useful for many constituting the OOo (now AOO, I'd guess) ecosystem.
>> (Building that ecosystem was one of my primary tasks, and I like to
>> think I did fairly well at it.)
>>
>> Does anyone know what happened to the material? And, if Apache now has
>> it, can we license it or simply permit it for ecosystem use under the
>> appropriate conditions and license? My preference would be to make all
>> training and educational material free (in all senses) and to
>> recuperate costs with actual services provided.
>>
>> Thanks
>> Louis
>>
>
Re: Help Docs & Proprietary Documentation
Posted by Danese Cooper <da...@gmail.com>.
You'll want to ask Andrew Rist.
D
On Thu, Nov 10, 2011 at 12:19 PM, Louis Suárez-Potts <lo...@apache.org>wrote:
> During the last year of OOo @ Oracle, a lot of rather good material
> was created to help/train users fresh (or forgetful) to OpenOffice.org
> and Oracle Open Office. This material as created by Oracle was
> proprietary: O owned it.
>
> So, my query. What has become of it? It has little value, as far as I
> can tell, for Oracle, at this point. But it would prove immensely
> useful for many constituting the OOo (now AOO, I'd guess) ecosystem.
> (Building that ecosystem was one of my primary tasks, and I like to
> think I did fairly well at it.)
>
> Does anyone know what happened to the material? And, if Apache now has
> it, can we license it or simply permit it for ecosystem use under the
> appropriate conditions and license? My preference would be to make all
> training and educational material free (in all senses) and to
> recuperate costs with actual services provided.
>
> Thanks
> Louis
>
Re: Help Docs & Proprietary Documentation
Posted by Louis Suarez-Potts <lu...@gmail.com>.
Can we get these? My interest is in making available with an accommodating open license training and educational material. "Get" could imply buy; "we" is also flexible.
(Nonsense words? iPad's spellchecker.)
-- Louis Suárez-Potts
On 2011-12-03, at 3:00, Frank Peters <fp...@googlemail.com> wrote:
>
>> On Sat, Dec 3, 2011 at 3:59 AM, Frank Peters<fp...@googlemail.com> wrote:
>>> if you refer to the training material, it was managed by
>>> Oracle University and was completely outside the code source
>>> tree.
>>
>> Oracle Japan has got a Japanese page for it.
>> http://education.oracle.com/pls/web_prod-plq-dad/db_pages.getpage?page_id=402&p_nl=JOOS
>> :)
>> It says, "OpenOffice.org is one of the coolest things to come along in
>> a long time. It's powerful, flexible and it's free. Even though
>> OpenOffice.org is free, you will need to invest some time learning it.
>> OpenOffice.org is a fantastic program but, like any other program, it
>> will take a while to learn to become efficient at using the various
>> applications." and "You can get OpenOffice.org Certification."
>> :)
>> It introduces "OpenOffice.org Training"
>>
>> Oracle University offers "Learning Paths"
>> Desktop Software
>> OpenOffice.org Writer
>> OpenOffice.org Calc
>> OpenOffice.org Impress
>>
>> And Certification.
>> A Sun certification recognizes and rewards your skills, dedication,
>> and motivation in the highly competitive technology industry.
>> Oracle Certified Expert, OpenOffice.org Writer
>> Oracle Certified Expert, OpenOffice.org Calc
>> Oracle Certified Expert, OpenOffice.org Impress
>> :)
>> Great! isn't it?
>
> Yes, that is it. Evidently, Oracle did not clean up every
> corner accurately.
>
> Frank
>
Re: Help Docs & Proprietary Documentation
Posted by Louis Suárez-Potts <ls...@gmail.com>.
What then is the result of this? Can we use these works? I'd like,
again, to see if we can use them (through purchase, even) in the
laudable service of promoting Apache OO use globally.
thanks
louis
PS sorry if I repeat myself.
On 3 December 2011 03:00, Frank Peters <fp...@googlemail.com> wrote:
>
>> On Sat, Dec 3, 2011 at 3:59 AM, Frank Peters<fp...@googlemail.com>
>> wrote:
>>>
>>> if you refer to the training material, it was managed by
>>> Oracle University and was completely outside the code source
>>> tree.
>>
>>
>> Oracle Japan has got a Japanese page for it.
>>
>> http://education.oracle.com/pls/web_prod-plq-dad/db_pages.getpage?page_id=402&p_nl=JOOS
>> :)
>> It says, "OpenOffice.org is one of the coolest things to come along in
>> a long time. It's powerful, flexible and it's free. Even though
>> OpenOffice.org is free, you will need to invest some time learning it.
>> OpenOffice.org is a fantastic program but, like any other program, it
>> will take a while to learn to become efficient at using the various
>> applications." and "You can get OpenOffice.org Certification."
>> :)
>> It introduces "OpenOffice.org Training"
>>
>> Oracle University offers "Learning Paths"
>> Desktop Software
>> OpenOffice.org Writer
>> OpenOffice.org Calc
>> OpenOffice.org Impress
>>
>> And Certification.
>> A Sun certification recognizes and rewards your skills, dedication,
>> and motivation in the highly competitive technology industry.
>> Oracle Certified Expert, OpenOffice.org Writer
>> Oracle Certified Expert, OpenOffice.org Calc
>> Oracle Certified Expert, OpenOffice.org Impress
>> :)
>> Great! isn't it?
>
>
> Yes, that is it. Evidently, Oracle did not clean up every
> corner accurately.
>
> Frank
>
Re: Help Docs & Proprietary Documentation
Posted by Frank Peters <fp...@googlemail.com>.
> On Sat, Dec 3, 2011 at 3:59 AM, Frank Peters<fp...@googlemail.com> wrote:
>> if you refer to the training material, it was managed by
>> Oracle University and was completely outside the code source
>> tree.
>
> Oracle Japan has got a Japanese page for it.
> http://education.oracle.com/pls/web_prod-plq-dad/db_pages.getpage?page_id=402&p_nl=JOOS
> :)
> It says, "OpenOffice.org is one of the coolest things to come along in
> a long time. It's powerful, flexible and it's free. Even though
> OpenOffice.org is free, you will need to invest some time learning it.
> OpenOffice.org is a fantastic program but, like any other program, it
> will take a while to learn to become efficient at using the various
> applications." and "You can get OpenOffice.org Certification."
> :)
> It introduces "OpenOffice.org Training"
>
> Oracle University offers "Learning Paths"
> Desktop Software
> OpenOffice.org Writer
> OpenOffice.org Calc
> OpenOffice.org Impress
>
> And Certification.
> A Sun certification recognizes and rewards your skills, dedication,
> and motivation in the highly competitive technology industry.
> Oracle Certified Expert, OpenOffice.org Writer
> Oracle Certified Expert, OpenOffice.org Calc
> Oracle Certified Expert, OpenOffice.org Impress
> :)
> Great! isn't it?
Yes, that is it. Evidently, Oracle did not clean up every
corner accurately.
Frank
Re: Help Docs & Proprietary Documentation
Posted by Kazunari Hirano <kh...@gmail.com>.
Hi Frank and all,
On Sat, Dec 3, 2011 at 3:59 AM, Frank Peters <fp...@googlemail.com> wrote:
> if you refer to the training material, it was managed by
> Oracle University and was completely outside the code source
> tree.
Oracle Japan has got a Japanese page for it.
http://education.oracle.com/pls/web_prod-plq-dad/db_pages.getpage?page_id=402&p_nl=JOOS
:)
It says, "OpenOffice.org is one of the coolest things to come along in
a long time. It's powerful, flexible and it's free. Even though
OpenOffice.org is free, you will need to invest some time learning it.
OpenOffice.org is a fantastic program but, like any other program, it
will take a while to learn to become efficient at using the various
applications." and "You can get OpenOffice.org Certification."
:)
It introduces "OpenOffice.org Training"
Oracle University offers "Learning Paths"
Desktop Software
OpenOffice.org Writer
OpenOffice.org Calc
OpenOffice.org Impress
And Certification.
A Sun certification recognizes and rewards your skills, dedication,
and motivation in the highly competitive technology industry.
Oracle Certified Expert, OpenOffice.org Writer
Oracle Certified Expert, OpenOffice.org Calc
Oracle Certified Expert, OpenOffice.org Impress
:)
Great! isn't it?
Thanks,
khirano
Re: Help Docs & Proprietary Documentation
Posted by Frank Peters <fp...@googlemail.com>.
Am 03.12.2011 00:58, schrieb Kazunari Hirano:
> Hi all,
>
> http://www.oracle.com/technetwork/documentation/office-prod-193030.html
>
> Are we talking about this?
No, that's just the docs.
Frank
Re: Help Docs & Proprietary Documentation
Posted by Kazunari Hirano <kh...@gmail.com>.
Hi all,
http://www.oracle.com/technetwork/documentation/office-prod-193030.html
Are we talking about this?
Thanks,
khirano
Re: Help Docs & Proprietary Documentation
Posted by Frank Peters <fp...@googlemail.com>.
Louis,
> During the last year of OOo @ Oracle, a lot of rather good material
> was created to help/train users fresh (or forgetful) to OpenOffice.org
> and Oracle Open Office. This material as created by Oracle was
> proprietary: O owned it.
>
> So, my query. What has become of it? It has little value, as far as I
> can tell, for Oracle, at this point. But it would prove immensely
> useful for many constituting the OOo (now AOO, I'd guess) ecosystem.
> (Building that ecosystem was one of my primary tasks, and I like to
> think I did fairly well at it.)
>
> Does anyone know what happened to the material? And, if Apache now has
> it, can we license it or simply permit it for ecosystem use under the
> appropriate conditions and license? My preference would be to make all
> training and educational material free (in all senses) and to
> recuperate costs with actual services provided.
if you refer to the training material, it was managed by
Oracle University and was completely outside the code source
tree.
Frank