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Posted to users@openoffice.apache.org by Abraham Mathew <ab...@kcs.com.kw> on 2012/03/04 09:34:23 UTC
Microsoft Word 2010 document margin and table issue when rendered in OpenOffice 3.2/3.3
Dear All,
I have a user generated document from Microsoft Word 2010 , it displays
good in Microsoft Word 2010 and also can be saved as PDF in Microsoft
Word 2010.
When a user opens it in OpenOffice 3.3 the get a different layout and
there is issues with how the tables and table cells are displayed, the
same appear
in the PDF when the user saves it as PDF from OpenOffice
I am at wits end and don't know what to explain to the user? Also the
pdf is used for printing and signature and it looks bad in it.
Can someone explain?
Why is the OpenOffice code or usecase for rendering Microsoft word
documents not taking care of such cases?
Please someone advice what I should explain?
Thanks and Regards,
Abraham Mathew.
Re: Microsoft Word 2010 document margin and table issue when rendered
in OpenOffice 3.2/3.3
Posted by Michael Adams <li...@clear.net.nz>.
On Monday 05 March 2012 12:27, Terry wrote:
> Thanks. I'm not surprised by the changes. Compatibility with MSFT
> formats is attained by reverse engineering, I understand, because
> MSFT will not release the information required to achieve
> compatibility.
That is not correct:
.DOC format was opened before/during the OOXML debacle as no further
development was to take place on it. Most was known through reverse
engineering anyway.
.DOCX format as part of OOXML had a extremely large spec released for
it (see Ecma 376). However there are three versions of OOXML. The 1st
Edition that Microsoft and Ecma (initially as Microsoft sock puppets)
offered to ISO/IEC for standardisation and is deprecated. The 2nd
Edition which AFAIK has not been implemented by any Office software
is the standard ISO/IEC 29500. The 3rd Edition is also not
implemented.
Both Microsoft Office 2007 and 2010 use the 1st Edition. Information
on this format is well available, however embedded objects especially
of the Microsoft variety may well be in closed formats.
Rob Weir may correct any inaccuracies here as this description
encapsulates many man years of hard work for many people into the
briefest possible space i could conscientiously achieve.
> I see that you have filed a bug report. For anyone interested:
> https://issues.apache.org/ooo/show_bug.cgi?id=119013
>
> Cheers.
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
>
> > From: Abraham Mathew <ab...@kcs.com.kw>
> > To: ooo-users@incubator.apache.org; Terry
> > <te...@yahoo.com.au> Cc:
> > Sent: Sunday, 4 March 2012 11:04 PM
> > Subject: RE: Microsoft Word 2010 document margin and table issue
> > when rendered in OpenOffice 3.2/3.3
> >
> >T ry http://www.mediafire.com/?r27cnww2y1yxf1i
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Terry [mailto:terauck-aouser@yahoo.com.au]
> > Sent: Sunday, March 04, 2012 2:30 PM
> > To: ooo-users@incubator.apache.org
> > Subject: Re: Microsoft Word 2010 document margin and table issue
> > when rendered in OpenOffice 3.2/3.3
> >
> > That site won't let me download without subscribing to "premium
> > services." Try https://www.mediafire.com/ It provides an
> > excellent service.
> >
> >
> > It's understandable that OpenOffice does not load the MSFT
> > document perfectly for the reasons others have mentioned. Use
> > your Word document to create the pdf. If you want a better
> > version for OpenOffice, create a document in the open document
> > format (odt for text documents).
> >
> >
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> >
> >> From: Abraham Mathew <ab...@kcs.com.kw>
> >> To: ooo-users@incubator.apache.org
> >> Cc:
> >> Sent: Sunday, 4 March 2012 8:51 PM
> >> Subject: RE: Microsoft Word 2010 document margin and table
> >> issue when rendered in OpenOffice 3.2/3.3
> >>
> >> I have uploaded the artifacts of this testcase here
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> http://www.4shared.com/zip/AvCzR5nj/OpenOffice_Userlist.html
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> From: Abraham Mathew [mailto:abraham.mathew@kcs.com.kw]
> >> Sent: Sunday, March 04, 2012 11:34 AM
> >> To: ooo-users@incubator.apache.org
> >> Subject: Microsoft Word 2010 document margin and table issue
> >> when rendered in OpenOffice 3.2/3.3
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> Dear All,
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> I have a user generated document from Microsoft Word 2010 , it
> >> displays good in Microsoft Word 2010 and also can be saved as
> >> PDF in Microsoft Word 2010.
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> When a user opens it in OpenOffice 3.3 the get a different
> >> layout and there is issues with how the tables and table cells
> >> are displayed, the same appear
> >>
> >> in the PDF when the user saves it as PDF from OpenOffice
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> I am at wits end and don't know what to explain to the user?
> >> Also the pdf is used for printing and signature and it looks bad
> >> in it.
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> Can someone explain?
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> Why is the OpenOffice code or usecase for rendering Microsoft
> >> word documents not taking care of such cases?
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> Please someone advice what I should explain?
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> Thanks and Regards,
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> Abraham Mathew.
> >
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Re: Microsoft Word 2010 document margin and table issue when rendered in OpenOffice 3.2/3.3
Posted by Terry <te...@yahoo.com.au>.
Thanks. I'm not surprised by the changes. Compatibility with MSFT formats is attained by reverse engineering, I understand, because MSFT will not release the information required to achieve compatibility.
I see that you have filed a bug report. For anyone interested: https://issues.apache.org/ooo/show_bug.cgi?id=119013
Cheers.
----- Original Message -----
> From: Abraham Mathew <ab...@kcs.com.kw>
> To: ooo-users@incubator.apache.org; Terry <te...@yahoo.com.au>
> Cc:
> Sent: Sunday, 4 March 2012 11:04 PM
> Subject: RE: Microsoft Word 2010 document margin and table issue when rendered in OpenOffice 3.2/3.3
>
>T ry http://www.mediafire.com/?r27cnww2y1yxf1i
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Terry [mailto:terauck-aouser@yahoo.com.au]
> Sent: Sunday, March 04, 2012 2:30 PM
> To: ooo-users@incubator.apache.org
> Subject: Re: Microsoft Word 2010 document margin and table issue when rendered
> in OpenOffice 3.2/3.3
>
> That site won't let me download without subscribing to "premium
> services." Try https://www.mediafire.com/ It provides an excellent
> service.
>
>
> It's understandable that OpenOffice does not load the MSFT document
> perfectly for the reasons others have mentioned. Use your Word document to
> create the pdf. If you want a better version for OpenOffice, create a document
> in the open document format (odt for text documents).
>
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: Abraham Mathew <ab...@kcs.com.kw>
>> To: ooo-users@incubator.apache.org
>> Cc:
>> Sent: Sunday, 4 March 2012 8:51 PM
>> Subject: RE: Microsoft Word 2010 document margin and table issue when
>> rendered in OpenOffice 3.2/3.3
>>
>> I have uploaded the artifacts of this testcase here
>>
>>
>>
>> http://www.4shared.com/zip/AvCzR5nj/OpenOffice_Userlist.html
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> From: Abraham Mathew [mailto:abraham.mathew@kcs.com.kw]
>> Sent: Sunday, March 04, 2012 11:34 AM
>> To: ooo-users@incubator.apache.org
>> Subject: Microsoft Word 2010 document margin and table issue when
>> rendered in OpenOffice 3.2/3.3
>>
>>
>>
>> Dear All,
>>
>>
>>
>> I have a user generated document from Microsoft Word 2010 , it
>> displays good in Microsoft Word 2010 and also can be saved as PDF in
>> Microsoft Word 2010.
>>
>>
>>
>> When a user opens it in OpenOffice 3.3 the get a different layout and
>> there is issues with how the tables and table cells are displayed, the
>> same appear
>>
>> in the PDF when the user saves it as PDF from OpenOffice
>>
>>
>>
>> I am at wits end and don't know what to explain to the user? Also the
>> pdf is used for printing and signature and it looks bad in it.
>>
>>
>>
>> Can someone explain?
>>
>>
>>
>> Why is the OpenOffice code or usecase for rendering Microsoft word
>> documents not taking care of such cases?
>>
>>
>>
>> Please someone advice what I should explain?
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> Thanks and Regards,
>>
>>
>>
>> Abraham Mathew.
>>
>
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RE: Microsoft Word 2010 document margin and table issue when rendered in OpenOffice 3.2/3.3
Posted by Abraham Mathew <ab...@kcs.com.kw>.
Try http://www.mediafire.com/?r27cnww2y1yxf1i
-----Original Message-----
From: Terry [mailto:terauck-aouser@yahoo.com.au]
Sent: Sunday, March 04, 2012 2:30 PM
To: ooo-users@incubator.apache.org
Subject: Re: Microsoft Word 2010 document margin and table issue when rendered in OpenOffice 3.2/3.3
That site won't let me download without subscribing to "premium services." Try https://www.mediafire.com/ It provides an excellent service.
It's understandable that OpenOffice does not load the MSFT document perfectly for the reasons others have mentioned. Use your Word document to create the pdf. If you want a better version for OpenOffice, create a document in the open document format (odt for text documents).
----- Original Message -----
> From: Abraham Mathew <ab...@kcs.com.kw>
> To: ooo-users@incubator.apache.org
> Cc:
> Sent: Sunday, 4 March 2012 8:51 PM
> Subject: RE: Microsoft Word 2010 document margin and table issue when
> rendered in OpenOffice 3.2/3.3
>
> I have uploaded the artifacts of this testcase here
>
>
>
> http://www.4shared.com/zip/AvCzR5nj/OpenOffice_Userlist.html
>
>
>
>
>
> From: Abraham Mathew [mailto:abraham.mathew@kcs.com.kw]
> Sent: Sunday, March 04, 2012 11:34 AM
> To: ooo-users@incubator.apache.org
> Subject: Microsoft Word 2010 document margin and table issue when
> rendered in OpenOffice 3.2/3.3
>
>
>
> Dear All,
>
>
>
> I have a user generated document from Microsoft Word 2010 , it
> displays good in Microsoft Word 2010 and also can be saved as PDF in
> Microsoft Word 2010.
>
>
>
> When a user opens it in OpenOffice 3.3 the get a different layout and
> there is issues with how the tables and table cells are displayed, the
> same appear
>
> in the PDF when the user saves it as PDF from OpenOffice
>
>
>
> I am at wits end and don't know what to explain to the user? Also the
> pdf is used for printing and signature and it looks bad in it.
>
>
>
> Can someone explain?
>
>
>
> Why is the OpenOffice code or usecase for rendering Microsoft word
> documents not taking care of such cases?
>
>
>
> Please someone advice what I should explain?
>
>
>
>
>
> Thanks and Regards,
>
>
>
> Abraham Mathew.
>
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Re: Microsoft Word 2010 document margin and table issue when rendered in OpenOffice 3.2/3.3
Posted by Terry <te...@yahoo.com.au>.
That site won't let me download without subscribing to "premium services." Try https://www.mediafire.com/ It provides an excellent service.
It's understandable that OpenOffice does not load the MSFT document perfectly for the reasons others have mentioned. Use your Word document to create the pdf. If you want a better version for OpenOffice, create a document in the open document format (odt for text documents).
----- Original Message -----
> From: Abraham Mathew <ab...@kcs.com.kw>
> To: ooo-users@incubator.apache.org
> Cc:
> Sent: Sunday, 4 March 2012 8:51 PM
> Subject: RE: Microsoft Word 2010 document margin and table issue when rendered in OpenOffice 3.2/3.3
>
> I have uploaded the artifacts of this testcase here
>
>
>
> http://www.4shared.com/zip/AvCzR5nj/OpenOffice_Userlist.html
>
>
>
>
>
> From: Abraham Mathew [mailto:abraham.mathew@kcs.com.kw]
> Sent: Sunday, March 04, 2012 11:34 AM
> To: ooo-users@incubator.apache.org
> Subject: Microsoft Word 2010 document margin and table issue when
> rendered in OpenOffice 3.2/3.3
>
>
>
> Dear All,
>
>
>
> I have a user generated document from Microsoft Word 2010 , it displays
> good in Microsoft Word 2010 and also can be saved as PDF in Microsoft
> Word 2010.
>
>
>
> When a user opens it in OpenOffice 3.3 the get a different layout and
> there is issues with how the tables and table cells are displayed, the
> same appear
>
> in the PDF when the user saves it as PDF from OpenOffice
>
>
>
> I am at wits end and don't know what to explain to the user? Also the
> pdf is used for printing and signature and it looks bad in it.
>
>
>
> Can someone explain?
>
>
>
> Why is the OpenOffice code or usecase for rendering Microsoft word
> documents not taking care of such cases?
>
>
>
> Please someone advice what I should explain?
>
>
>
>
>
> Thanks and Regards,
>
>
>
> Abraham Mathew.
>
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RE: Microsoft Word 2010 document margin and table issue when rendered in OpenOffice 3.2/3.3
Posted by Abraham Mathew <ab...@kcs.com.kw>.
I have uploaded the artifacts of this testcase here
http://www.4shared.com/zip/AvCzR5nj/OpenOffice_Userlist.html
From: Abraham Mathew [mailto:abraham.mathew@kcs.com.kw]
Sent: Sunday, March 04, 2012 11:34 AM
To: ooo-users@incubator.apache.org
Subject: Microsoft Word 2010 document margin and table issue when
rendered in OpenOffice 3.2/3.3
Dear All,
I have a user generated document from Microsoft Word 2010 , it displays
good in Microsoft Word 2010 and also can be saved as PDF in Microsoft
Word 2010.
When a user opens it in OpenOffice 3.3 the get a different layout and
there is issues with how the tables and table cells are displayed, the
same appear
in the PDF when the user saves it as PDF from OpenOffice
I am at wits end and don't know what to explain to the user? Also the
pdf is used for printing and signature and it looks bad in it.
Can someone explain?
Why is the OpenOffice code or usecase for rendering Microsoft word
documents not taking care of such cases?
Please someone advice what I should explain?
Thanks and Regards,
Abraham Mathew.
Re: Microsoft Word 2010 document margin and table issue when rendered
in OpenOffice 3.2/3.3
Posted by Hagar Delest <ha...@laposte.net>.
See also: http://user.services.openoffice.org/en/forum/viewtopic.php?f=5&t=4542
(Same reply than in the forum).
Welcome to the vendor lock-in policy...
Hagar
> Dear All,
>
> I have a user generated document from Microsoft Word 2010 , it displays good in Microsoft Word 2010 and also can be saved as PDF in Microsoft Word 2010.
>
> When a user opens it in OpenOffice 3.3 the get a different layout and there is issues with how the tables and table cells are displayed, the same appear
>
> in the PDF when the user saves it as PDF from OpenOffice
>
> I am at wits end and don’t know what to explain to the user? Also the pdf is used for printing and signature and it looks bad in it.
>
> Can someone explain?
>
> Why is the OpenOffice code or usecase for rendering Microsoft word documents not taking care of such cases?
>
> Please someone advice what I should explain?
>
> Thanks and Regards,
>
> Abraham Mathew.
>
>
>
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Re: Microsoft Word 2010 document margin and table issue when rendered
in OpenOffice 3.2/3.3
Posted by Martin Groenescheij <Ma...@Groenescheij.COM>.
Just explain that Microsoft don't comply to the
Open Document Standard, it's as simple as that.
On 4/03/2012 7:34 PM, Abraham Mathew wrote:
>
> Dear All,
>
> I have a user generated document from Microsoft
> Word 2010 , it displays good in Microsoft Word
> 2010 and also can be saved as PDF in Microsoft
> Word 2010.
>
> When a user opens it in OpenOffice 3.3 the get a
> different layout and there is issues with how
> the tables and table cells are displayed, the
> same appear
>
> in the PDF when the user saves it as PDF from
> OpenOffice
>
> I am at wits end and don’t know what to explain
> to the user? Also the pdf is used for printing
> and signature and it looks bad in it.
>
> Can someone explain?
>
> Why is the OpenOffice code or usecase for
> rendering Microsoft word documents not taking
> care of such cases?
>
> Please someone advice what I should explain?
>
> Thanks and Regards,
>
> Abraham Mathew.
>
>
>
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Re: Microsoft Word 2010 document margin and table issue when
rendered in OpenOffice 3.2/3.3
Posted by Rory O'Farrell <of...@iol.ie>.
On Sun, 4 Mar 2012 11:34:23 +0300
"Abraham Mathew" <ab...@kcs.com.kw> wrote:
> Dear All,
> I have a user generated document from Microsoft Word 2010 , it
> displays good in Microsoft Word 2010 and also can be saved as
> PDF in Microsoft Word 2010.
>
> When a user opens it in OpenOffice 3.3 the get a different
> layout and there is issues with how the tables and table cells
> are displayed, the same appear in the PDF when the user saves
> it as PDF from OpenOffice
>
> I am at wits end and don't know what to explain to the user?
> Also the pdf is used for printing and signature and it looks
> bad in it.
> Can someone explain?
>
> Why is the OpenOffice code or usecase for rendering Microsoft
> word documents not taking care of such cases?
>
> Please someone advice what I should explain?
>
> Thanks and Regards,
>
> Abraham Mathew.
The quick answer is the the filters to convert from MS formats to
OpenOffice formats have been reverse engineered, and are not
perfect, as you have found. They work for less complex cases,
but fail as formating becomes more complicated. Formatting
variations between platforms are also caused by differences in
installed fonts, which are rarely identical (or all available)
between platforms.
If formatting invariance is required, it is essential to use one
application only, rather than try to maintain invariance across
operating system platforms and differing applications. Indeed,
when final layout is involved, it needs to be restricted to the
same machine and application, as there can be minute variations
even within applications and similar operating systems.
--
Rory O'Farrell <of...@iol.ie>
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