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Posted to log4php-dev@logging.apache.org by Jim Jagielski <ji...@jaguNET.com> on 2009/03/17 14:18:14 UTC
Re: March 2009 Incubator Board Report
On Mar 16, 2009, at 1:39 PM, Christian Grobmeier wrote:
> Hi,
>
>> = Log4php =
>> Log4php failed to report.
>> Log4php has been in the Incubator since 2004, and was retired once
>> already,
>> then reviewed by new interest appeared. Reviewing the mailing
>> list, Log4php
>> appears to still be very much a one person project, with Christian
>> Grobmeier
>> as the sole participant. I see no sign of a user community, nor a
>> developer
>> community. Is there any thought on what should be the discposition
>> of the
>> project? Apache Labs? Something else?
>
> as allready said, I tried to get contact to Log4PHP. The only one who
> responded is one of the mentors. But besides that, some other people
> mailed me (directly, unfortunatly) and claimed that they tried to
> commit patches, but never get heard by any developer.
> I strongly believe that log4php CAN have a community, but must do lots
> of codework.
>
I would love to see log4php get more traction, but when a
mentor (myself) is the only person attempting to keep the
project going, it's not good.
I would encourage any potential developers to contact me directly,
and I will "drive thru" and fast-track their involvement in
the podling... I say we give it 3 more months and then,
if it fails to reboot, we close it down as a podling.
Re: March 2009 Incubator Board Report
Posted by Christian Grobmeier <gr...@gmail.com>.
> Again while maybe not completely relevant, I did want to point out that it
> is possible to grow a PHP community inside of Apache, and one does actually
> already exist :)
That is indeed very good to hear!
Christian
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Re: March 2009 Incubator Board Report
Posted by Chris Chabot <ch...@google.com>.
This might or might not be relevant, but there is at least one
very-much-alive PHP community within the Apache incubator: the PHP version
of Shindig (http://incubator.apache.org/shindig/ &
http://svn.apache.org/repos/asf/incubator/shindig/trunk/php/).
While we haven't been able to attract a lot of committers yet for the PHP
part (most people are more comfertable submitting a patch when their
implementing it, but don't always feel the need to take that next step),
there are well over a dozen individuals who sometimes submit patches,
provide feedback & there's over 20 very large websites who use it for their
OpenSocial support.
Again while maybe not completely relevant, I did want to point out that it
is possible to grow a PHP community inside of Apache, and one does actually
already exist :)
-- Chris
On Thu, Mar 19, 2009 at 10:20 AM, Christian Grobmeier
<gr...@gmail.com>wrote:
> > On Wed, Mar 18, 2009 at 09:38:35AM +0100, Christian Grobmeier wrote:
> >> Well, I am highly interested. I would like to see more PHP at Apache,
> >> and if log4php fails, most other PHP project will fail.
> >
> > This seems like an odd conclusion.
>
> I think i didn't express it good. I meant: Apache has less PHP
> community. If an allready started, useful and useable project like
> log4php fails cause of lack of community - thats not a good signal. If
> other PHP incubation requests come in I expect lack of interest for
> those projects too.
>
> If log4php can build up a community, chances are higher to get more
> PHP people to Apache. And run more healthy PHP projects at Apache.
>
> log4php imho is a very good start to build up a PHP community at
> apache. It has allready taken the hurdle to come into incubator.
> Other projects may have more problems. I didn't found a champion for
> PIWI yet, but I think that is not a problem of the software. Its just
> nobody interested :-)
>
> Of course, i dont think its impossible to start new and more succesful
> PHP projects at the ASF when this one fails.
>
> Hope this makes more clear why I consider log4PHP an important and
> strategic project and I would like to see it successful.
>
> Christian
>
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RE: March 2009 Incubator Board Report
Posted by Gavin <ga...@16degrees.com.au>.
fwiw I emailed Jim directly yesterday (no reply yet but he's a busy man)
indicating I would like to help in some way, perhaps by applying patches,
updating the website etc. I know some PHP but not much logging.
Just trying to keep the project alive, let me know if I can help
Gav...
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Christian Grobmeier [mailto:grobmeier@gmail.com]
> Sent: Thursday, 19 March 2009 7:21 PM
> To: general@incubator.apache.org; Jim Jagielski; Apache Board; Log4PHP Dev
> Subject: Re: March 2009 Incubator Board Report
>
> > On Wed, Mar 18, 2009 at 09:38:35AM +0100, Christian Grobmeier wrote:
> >> Well, I am highly interested. I would like to see more PHP at Apache,
> >> and if log4php fails, most other PHP project will fail.
> >
> > This seems like an odd conclusion.
>
> I think i didn't express it good. I meant: Apache has less PHP
> community. If an allready started, useful and useable project like
> log4php fails cause of lack of community - thats not a good signal. If
> other PHP incubation requests come in I expect lack of interest for
> those projects too.
>
> If log4php can build up a community, chances are higher to get more
> PHP people to Apache. And run more healthy PHP projects at Apache.
>
> log4php imho is a very good start to build up a PHP community at
> apache. It has allready taken the hurdle to come into incubator.
> Other projects may have more problems. I didn't found a champion for
> PIWI yet, but I think that is not a problem of the software. Its just
> nobody interested :-)
>
> Of course, i dont think its impossible to start new and more succesful
> PHP projects at the ASF when this one fails.
>
> Hope this makes more clear why I consider log4PHP an important and
> strategic project and I would like to see it successful.
>
> Christian
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Re: March 2009 Incubator Board Report
Posted by Christian Grobmeier <gr...@gmail.com>.
> On Wed, Mar 18, 2009 at 09:38:35AM +0100, Christian Grobmeier wrote:
>> Well, I am highly interested. I would like to see more PHP at Apache,
>> and if log4php fails, most other PHP project will fail.
>
> This seems like an odd conclusion.
I think i didn't express it good. I meant: Apache has less PHP
community. If an allready started, useful and useable project like
log4php fails cause of lack of community - thats not a good signal. If
other PHP incubation requests come in I expect lack of interest for
those projects too.
If log4php can build up a community, chances are higher to get more
PHP people to Apache. And run more healthy PHP projects at Apache.
log4php imho is a very good start to build up a PHP community at
apache. It has allready taken the hurdle to come into incubator.
Other projects may have more problems. I didn't found a champion for
PIWI yet, but I think that is not a problem of the software. Its just
nobody interested :-)
Of course, i dont think its impossible to start new and more succesful
PHP projects at the ASF when this one fails.
Hope this makes more clear why I consider log4PHP an important and
strategic project and I would like to see it successful.
Christian
Re: March 2009 Incubator Board Report
Posted by Christian Grobmeier <gr...@gmail.com>.
> On Wed, Mar 18, 2009 at 09:38:35AM +0100, Christian Grobmeier wrote:
>> Well, I am highly interested. I would like to see more PHP at Apache,
>> and if log4php fails, most other PHP project will fail.
>
> This seems like an odd conclusion.
I think i didn't express it good. I meant: Apache has less PHP
community. If an allready started, useful and useable project like
log4php fails cause of lack of community - thats not a good signal. If
other PHP incubation requests come in I expect lack of interest for
those projects too.
If log4php can build up a community, chances are higher to get more
PHP people to Apache. And run more healthy PHP projects at Apache.
log4php imho is a very good start to build up a PHP community at
apache. It has allready taken the hurdle to come into incubator.
Other projects may have more problems. I didn't found a champion for
PIWI yet, but I think that is not a problem of the software. Its just
nobody interested :-)
Of course, i dont think its impossible to start new and more succesful
PHP projects at the ASF when this one fails.
Hope this makes more clear why I consider log4PHP an important and
strategic project and I would like to see it successful.
Christian
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Re: March 2009 Incubator Board Report
Posted by Noah Slater <ns...@apache.org>.
On Wed, Mar 18, 2009 at 09:38:35AM +0100, Christian Grobmeier wrote:
> Well, I am highly interested. I would like to see more PHP at Apache,
> and if log4php fails, most other PHP project will fail.
This seems like an odd conclusion.
--
Noah Slater, http://tumbolia.org/nslater
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Re: March 2009 Incubator Board Report
Posted by Christian Grobmeier <gr...@gmail.com>.
Hi,
> I would love to see log4php get more traction, but when a
> mentor (myself) is the only person attempting to keep the
> project going, it's not good.
yes - its frustrating.
> I would encourage any potential developers to contact me directly,
> and I will "drive thru" and fast-track their involvement in
> the podling... I say we give it 3 more months and then,
> if it fails to reboot, we close it down as a podling.
Well, I am highly interested. I would like to see more PHP at Apache,
and if log4php fails, most other PHP project will fail.
Christian
Re: March 2009 Incubator Board Report
Posted by Christian Grobmeier <gr...@gmail.com>.
Hi,
> I would love to see log4php get more traction, but when a
> mentor (myself) is the only person attempting to keep the
> project going, it's not good.
yes - its frustrating.
> I would encourage any potential developers to contact me directly,
> and I will "drive thru" and fast-track their involvement in
> the podling... I say we give it 3 more months and then,
> if it fails to reboot, we close it down as a podling.
Well, I am highly interested. I would like to see more PHP at Apache,
and if log4php fails, most other PHP project will fail.
Christian
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