[PROPOSAL] archive old unmirrored tomcat releases

[robert burrell donkin <rd...@apache.org>]

(as many you will know) the apache software foundation policy concerning 
releases is now that all releases should be available only through:

1. the main mirrored ASF distribution directories
2. the main ASF archives

tomcat releases are still available through the older unmirrored 
directories. the download statistics (supply by infrastructure) show that 
unmirrored tomcat downloads from these directories are still proving far 
too popular. this is a major issue since the ASF has to pay for bandwidth.

my proposal is that:

1. all available distributables for the latest tomcat 3, tomcat 4 and 
tomcat 5 releases be added to the appropriate mirrored directories and 
linked to jakarta download pages. if necessary, md5's and signatures will 
be created for these distributables. (except for tomcat 3 this should just 
be checking and tidying up).

2. the older releases for tomcat 3, tomcat 4 and tomcat 5 be moved into 
the ASF archives (where they will remain available for download) and that 
all requests be redirected to the main jakarta binary download page where 
the latest release can be downloaded or the link to the archives can be 
followed.

(unless someone else steps forward) i'll volunteer to carry out this work.
  (unless someone corrects me) i'll assume that the decision will proceed 
by lazy consensus. (unless someone forces a vote before then) i'll carry 
out this work sometime after 12 noon GMT on this friday (5th september).

- robert

Re: [5.0.10] Tag tomorrow

[Bill Barker <wb...@wilshire.com>]

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Remy Maucherat" <re...@apache.org>
To: "Tomcat Developers List" <to...@jakarta.apache.org>
Sent: Friday, September 05, 2003 12:22 AM
Subject: Re: [5.0.10] Tag tomorrow


> Bill Barker wrote:
>
> > I can post new binaries for procrun tomorrow (PST) to BZ (now that
Daemon is
> > in commons-proper, I can't check-in directly :-().  This includes a
patch
> > from JFC for W9x (that I missed in the last build), and a patch from
Mladin
> > to limit memory usage in the console.  Neither is particularly critical,
so
> > if you want to tag and leave these for 5.0.11, I've got no objections.
>
> Mladen posted a new build not too long ago. Doesn't that include all
> those patches ?

Yes, Mladen's commit should be OK (I follow commons-dev from gmane, which
tends to bury commit messages).  One less thing for me to do ;-).

>
> Somehow the binaries didn't get moved to jakarta-commons/daemon. Can
> someone put them there (I can get them back from the old CVS otherwise)

AFAIK, only you and Yoav (and, well, Costin, but he's AWOL :) have karma for
the new repository.

> ? Thx.
>
> Remy
>
>
>
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Re: [5.0.10] Tag tomorrow

[Remy Maucherat <re...@apache.org>]

Bill Barker wrote:

> I can post new binaries for procrun tomorrow (PST) to BZ (now that Daemon is
> in commons-proper, I can't check-in directly :-().  This includes a patch
> from JFC for W9x (that I missed in the last build), and a patch from Mladin
> to limit memory usage in the console.  Neither is particularly critical, so
> if you want to tag and leave these for 5.0.11, I've got no objections.

Mladen posted a new build not too long ago. Doesn't that include all 
those patches ?

Somehow the binaries didn't get moved to jakarta-commons/daemon. Can 
someone put them there (I can get them back from the old CVS otherwise) 
? Thx.

Remy

Re: [5.0.10] Tag tomorrow

[Bill Barker <wb...@wilshire.com>]

I can post new binaries for procrun tomorrow (PST) to BZ (now that Daemon is
in commons-proper, I can't check-in directly :-().  This includes a patch
from JFC for W9x (that I missed in the last build), and a patch from Mladin
to limit memory usage in the console.  Neither is particularly critical, so
if you want to tag and leave these for 5.0.11, I've got no objections.

"Remy Maucherat" <re...@apache.org> wrote in message
news:3F574BA8.7070600@apache.org...
> I'll tag and release a new build tomorrow. So far, I think this is going
>   to be a high quality build.
>
> Any objections ?
>
> Remy

[5.0.10] Tag tomorrow

[Remy Maucherat <re...@apache.org>]

I'll tag and release a new build tomorrow. So far, I think this is going 
  to be a high quality build.

Any objections ?

Remy

Re: [PROPOSAL] archive old unmirrored tomcat releases

[Stefan Bodewig <bo...@apache.org>]

On Thu, 04 Sep 2003, Remy Maucherat <re...@apache.org> wrote:

> I used Freshmeat for some time, and concluded it is useless

Sure, but users go there and follow the links.

> (not user friendly, their admins are not very nice and few people in
> the Java community use it).

Take a look at <http://www.apache.org/~slive/bandwidth-hogs.txt>,
Tomcat 4.1.24 from the unmirrored directory comes far far in front of
the mirrored 4.1.27 (downloaded more than twice as often).

I cannot find any other link pointing to the 4.1.24 release, so it
seems that quite a few people use Sourceforge.

IMHO it would be better to either drop the freshmeat listing
completely or adjust the download URLs to point to the bin/sourceindex
pages (that would be correct for future releases as well).

Stefan

Re: [PROPOSAL] archive old unmirrored tomcat releases

[Remy Maucherat <re...@apache.org>]

Stefan Bodewig wrote:
> On Wed, 3 Sep 2003, robert burrell donkin <rd...@apache.org> wrote:
> In particular it seems that people are downloading 4.1.24 instead of
> the latest release.  After looking around a bit, I think they are
> getting there via freshmeat.net.
> 
> Remy, could you please announce the 4.1.27 release at freshmeat and
> use http://jakarta.apache.org/site/binindex.cgi as URL for all
> download types (sourceindex.cgi for the sources, of course).

I used Freshmeat for some time, and concluded it is useless (not user 
friendly, their admins are not very nice and few people in the Java 
community use it).

Remy

Re: [PROPOSAL] archive old unmirrored tomcat releases

[robert burrell donkin <rd...@apache.org>]

On Thursday, September 4, 2003, at 07:34 AM, Stefan Bodewig wrote:

> On Wed, 3 Sep 2003, robert burrell donkin <rd...@apache.org> wrote:

<snip>

>> 1. all available distributables for the latest tomcat 3, tomcat 4
>> and tomcat 5 releases be added to the appropriate mirrored
>> directories and linked to jakarta download pages.
>
> Only the latest stable releases, I'd say.

i've add the latest tomcat 3 release (3.3.1a).

> Please also note the conversation between myself and Glenn in another
> thread about the connector releases.

i've left the connectors alone.

>> 2. the older releases for tomcat 3, tomcat 4 and tomcat 5 be moved
>> into the ASF archives
>
> this shouldn't include betas/alphas/milestones either IMHO.
>
> 3. move betas/alphas/milestones to <http://cvs.apache.org/dist/jakarta/>.
>
> I'm not sure whether there is any point in keeping unstable releases
> that have been superseded by newer releases around at all.  Just MHO.

i couldn't see very many betas or milestones. i've moved all the releases 
into archive and i've added .htaccess file which redirect to the main 
jakarta download page.

- robert

Re: [PROPOSAL] archive old unmirrored tomcat releases

[Stefan Bodewig <bo...@apache.org>]

On Wed, 3 Sep 2003, robert burrell donkin <rd...@apache.org> wrote:

> the download statistics (supply by infrastructure)

[1]

> show that unmirrored tomcat downloads from these directories are
> still proving far too popular.

In particular it seems that people are downloading 4.1.24 instead of
the latest release.  After looking around a bit, I think they are
getting there via freshmeat.net.

Remy, could you please announce the 4.1.27 release at freshmeat and
use http://jakarta.apache.org/site/binindex.cgi as URL for all
download types (sourceindex.cgi for the sources, of course).

> 1. all available distributables for the latest tomcat 3, tomcat 4
> and tomcat 5 releases be added to the appropriate mirrored
> directories and linked to jakarta download pages.

Only the latest stable releases, I'd say.

Please also note the conversation between myself and Glenn in another
thread about the connector releases.

> 2. the older releases for tomcat 3, tomcat 4 and tomcat 5 be moved
> into the ASF archives

this shouldn't include betas/alphas/milestones either IMHO.

3. move betas/alphas/milestones to <http://cvs.apache.org/dist/jakarta/>.

I'm not sure whether there is any point in keeping unstable releases
that have been superseded by newer releases around at all.  Just MHO.

> (unless someone else steps forward) i'll volunteer to carry out this
> work.

Thanks

        Stefan

Footnotes: 
[1]  http://www.apache.org/~slive/bandwidth-hogs.txt