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Re: [PROPOSAL] Preparing first Apache Iceberg Summit
Hi guys,
Finally (sorry for the long wait :)), a first formal Iceberg Summit
proposal doc is ready to be populated/reviewed:
https://docs.google.com/document/d/1Uy9-qRxLtjMWJkRXsjj94Vq3VO1Mc0wGz_bnisevNh8/edit?usp=sharing
Anyone can edit the document, so feel free to complete or ask
questions via comments.
Thanks !
Regards
JB
On Wed, Aug 23, 2023 at 11:25 PM Jean-Baptiste Onofré <jb...@nanthrax.net> wrote:
>
> It sounds great :)
>
> I will include a note in the proposal doc about that.
>
> Regards
> JB
>
> Le mer. 23 août 2023 à 14:14, Brian Olsen <bi...@gmail.com> a écrit :
>>
>> Out of curiosity, is anyone strongly opposed to doing antics like this for summits?
>>
>> https://youtube.com/playlist?list=PLFnr63che7wYFsknFAqisURvfm96rW0Dr
>>
>>
>> On Mon, Aug 21, 2023 at 6:58 PM Matt Topol <zo...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>
>>> I don't think I'll have much time to contribute to help, but I would absolutely help if possible.
>>>
>>> That said, I'll definitely want to give a talk / speak at this summit when it happens :)
>>>
>>> On Mon, Aug 21, 2023 at 1:38 AM Jean-Baptiste Onofré <jb...@nanthrax.net> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> Hi guys,
>>>>
>>>> I'm back from vacation and I'm resuming the work on the Iceberg Summit
>>>> proposal doc. I will share the doc asap.
>>>>
>>>> Regards
>>>> JB
>>>>
>>>> On Wed, Jul 5, 2023 at 4:37 PM Jean-Baptiste Onofré <jb...@nanthrax.net> wrote:
>>>> >
>>>> > Hi everyone,
>>>> >
>>>> > I started a discussion on the private mailing list, and, as there are
>>>> > no objections from the PMC members, I'm moving the thread to the dev
>>>> > mailing list.
>>>> >
>>>> > I propose to organize the first Apache Iceberg Summit \o/
>>>> >
>>>> > For the format, I think the best option is a virtual event with a mix of:
>>>> > 1. Dev community talks: architecture, roadmap, features, use in "products", ...
>>>> > 2. User community talks: companies could present their use cases, best
>>>> > practices, ...
>>>> >
>>>> > In terms of organization:
>>>> > 1. no objection so far from the PMC members to use Apache Iceberg
>>>> > Summit name. If it works for everyone, I will send a message to the
>>>> > Apache Publicity & Marketing to get their OK for the event.
>>>> > 2. create two committees:
>>>> > 2.1. the Sponsoring Committee gathering companies/organizations
>>>> > wanting to sponsor the event
>>>> > 2.2. the Program Committee gathers folks from the Iceberg community
>>>> > (PMC/committers/contributors) to select talks.
>>>> >
>>>> > My company (Dremio) will “host” the event - i.e., provide funding, a
>>>> > conference platform, sponsor logistics, speaker training, slide
>>>> > design, etc..
>>>> >
>>>> > In terms of dates, as CommunityOverCode Con NA will be in October, I
>>>> > think January 2024 would work: it gives us time to organize smoothly,
>>>> > promote the event, and not in a rush.
>>>> >
>>>> > I propose:
>>>> > 1. to create the #summit channel on Iceberg Slack.
>>>> > 2. I will share a preparation document with a plan proposal.
>>>> >
>>>> > Thoughts ?
>>>> >
>>>> > Regards
>>>> > JB
Re: [PROPOSAL] Preparing first Apache Iceberg Summit
Posted by Owen O'Malley <ow...@gmail.com>.
It is also important to consider who is on the program committee and their
affiliations. It also helps if the pc discourages sales talks (especially with
propriety extensions!) They should encourage technical ones about development
and usage of the Apache project.
.. Owen
> On Sep 22, 2023, at 11:19, Ryan Blue <bl...@tabular.io> wrote:
>
>
>
>
> To me, this proposal is getting a bit ahead of where I'm comfortable. I was
> expecting this to address some of the big questions about how to run an
> event like this from an open source community, but it seems to be assuming
> that the event will happen and addresses logistics.
>
>
>
>
> Here's an example of what I mean: the doc suggests the different levels of
> sponsors, slots at those levels, and prices. But I think the main question
> the community has to think through before we get there --- and what I'd
> expect in a proposal --- is how to ensure that such an event remains
> commercially neutral. Because you're asking for this to be an "official"
> event from the community and using its trademarks, we need to think through
> how we want to strike that balance.
>
>
>
>
> I'd like to see more of a proposal around:
>
> 1\. Should the Iceberg community put on an event? Clearly, we like the idea
> of exchanging ideas, but it goes beyond that.
>
> 2\. How would we balance the interests of different parts of the community
> and why should we take that approach?
>
>
>
>
> We have a lot of different companies contributing and building around
> Iceberg. The last thing that we want to do is give the impression that the
> community is in any way "pay-to-play" --- that's one of this community's
> distinguishing features.
>
>
>
>
> Also, I want to disclose that I'm also associated with a vendor (Tabular).
> With that hat on, I think we'd happily sponsor an event like this. But with
> my community hat on I want to make sure we plan it out and think carefully.
>
>
>
>
> Ryan
>
>
>
>
> On Fri, Sep 22, 2023 at 2:09 AM Jean-Baptiste Onofré
> <[jb@nanthrax.net](mailto:jb@nanthrax.net)> wrote:
>
>
>> Hi guys,
>
> Finally (sorry for the long wait :)), a first formal Iceberg Summit
> proposal doc is ready to be populated/reviewed:
>
>
> <https://docs.google.com/document/d/1Uy9-qRxLtjMWJkRXsjj94Vq3VO1Mc0wGz_bnisevNh8/edit?usp=sharing>
>
> Anyone can edit the document, so feel free to complete or ask
> questions via comments.
>
> Thanks !
> Regards
> JB
>
> On Wed, Aug 23, 2023 at 11:25 PM Jean-Baptiste Onofré
> <[jb@nanthrax.net](mailto:jb@nanthrax.net)> wrote:
> >
> > It sounds great :)
> >
> > I will include a note in the proposal doc about that.
> >
> > Regards
> > JB
> >
> > Le mer. 23 août 2023 à 14:14, Brian Olsen
> <[bitsondatadev@gmail.com](mailto:bitsondatadev@gmail.com)> a écrit :
> >>
> >> Out of curiosity, is anyone strongly opposed to doing antics like this
> for summits?
> >>
> >> <https://youtube.com/playlist?list=PLFnr63che7wYFsknFAqisURvfm96rW0Dr>
> >>
> >>
> >> On Mon, Aug 21, 2023 at 6:58 PM Matt Topol
> <[zotthewizard@gmail.com](mailto:zotthewizard@gmail.com)> wrote:
> >>>
> >>> I don't think I'll have much time to contribute to help, but I would
> absolutely help if possible.
> >>>
> >>> That said, I'll definitely want to give a talk / speak at this summit
> when it happens :)
> >>>
> >>> On Mon, Aug 21, 2023 at 1:38 AM Jean-Baptiste Onofré
> <[jb@nanthrax.net](mailto:jb@nanthrax.net)> wrote:
> >>>>
> >>>> Hi guys,
> >>>>
> >>>> I'm back from vacation and I'm resuming the work on the Iceberg Summit
> >>>> proposal doc. I will share the doc asap.
> >>>>
> >>>> Regards
> >>>> JB
> >>>>
> >>>> On Wed, Jul 5, 2023 at 4:37 PM Jean-Baptiste Onofré
> <[jb@nanthrax.net](mailto:jb@nanthrax.net)> wrote:
> >>>> >
> >>>> > Hi everyone,
> >>>> >
> >>>> > I started a discussion on the private mailing list, and, as there
> are
> >>>> > no objections from the PMC members, I'm moving the thread to the dev
> >>>> > mailing list.
> >>>> >
> >>>> > I propose to organize the first Apache Iceberg Summit \o/
> >>>> >
> >>>> > For the format, I think the best option is a virtual event with a
> mix of:
> >>>> > 1\. Dev community talks: architecture, roadmap, features, use in
> "products", ...
> >>>> > 2\. User community talks: companies could present their use cases,
> best
> >>>> > practices, ...
> >>>> >
> >>>> > In terms of organization:
> >>>> > 1\. no objection so far from the PMC members to use Apache Iceberg
> >>>> > Summit name. If it works for everyone, I will send a message to the
> >>>> > Apache Publicity & Marketing to get their OK for the event.
> >>>> > 2\. create two committees:
> >>>> > 2.1. the Sponsoring Committee gathering companies/organizations
> >>>> > wanting to sponsor the event
> >>>> > 2.2. the Program Committee gathers folks from the Iceberg
> community
> >>>> > (PMC/committers/contributors) to select talks.
> >>>> >
> >>>> > My company (Dremio) will “host” the event - i.e., provide funding, a
> >>>> > conference platform, sponsor logistics, speaker training, slide
> >>>> > design, etc..
> >>>> >
> >>>> > In terms of dates, as CommunityOverCode Con NA will be in October, I
> >>>> > think January 2024 would work: it gives us time to organize
> smoothly,
> >>>> > promote the event, and not in a rush.
> >>>> >
> >>>> > I propose:
> >>>> > 1\. to create the #summit channel on Iceberg Slack.
> >>>> > 2\. I will share a preparation document with a plan proposal.
> >>>> >
> >>>> > Thoughts ?
> >>>> >
> >>>> > Regards
> >>>> > JB
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> \--
>
>
> Ryan Blue
>
> Tabular
Re: [PROPOSAL] Preparing first Apache Iceberg Summit
Posted by Jean-Baptiste Onofré <jb...@nanthrax.net>.
Hi Ryan
Yes I will update the proposal to address the concerns.
Thanks
Regards
JB
Le mer. 27 sept. 2023 à 23:11, Ryan Blue <bl...@tabular.io> a écrit :
> JB,
>
> I think we're agreed that it would be great to promote the project and put
> together talks to help expand the community. What isn't clear is how to
> make this happen. Are you planning on updating the proposal to address the
> concerns I raised or do you want someone else to pick that up?
>
> Ryan
>
> On Tue, Sep 26, 2023 at 11:28 PM Jean-Baptiste Onofré <jb...@nanthrax.net>
> wrote:
>
>> I mean that anyone interested can add it to the doc.
>> I think we have different motivation and ideas. It’s great to share all
>> together.
>> Personally, my motivation is to promote the project (because it’s super
>> interesting) and connect dots with other Apache projects. I also think it’s
>> good timing to grow/expand our community.
>> I will also work on the document thanks to your comment, as anyone can do
>> :)
>>
>> Regards
>> JB
>>
>> Le mer. 27 sept. 2023 à 00:47, Ryan Blue <bl...@tabular.io> a écrit :
>>
>>> JB,
>>>
>>> What do you mean --- are you going to put together the proposal for how
>>> this would work? Or are you saying that anyone interested in that topic
>>> could add it to the doc?
>>>
>>> Ryan
>>>
>>> On Tue, Sep 26, 2023 at 12:26 PM Jean-Baptiste Onofré <jb...@nanthrax.net>
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>> Hi Ryan,
>>>>
>>>> My bad: I understood in the previous discussion about the summit that
>>>> we wanted something more concrete in terms of format, length,
>>>> organisation, how we can set this up.
>>>>
>>>> Of course, no problem to take a step back, and the document is
>>>> definitely where we can work all together. I'm also in the same
>>>> situation as you: I'm helping using my Apache/community hat, but I
>>>> included proposals from my company (Dremio) in the doc. For instance,
>>>> I think it's important to "split" committees for sponsoring and track
>>>> content, just to avoid "sales talk" as it's a community event.
>>>> As few of us helped on summits in the past, experience and how it went
>>>> are valuable.
>>>>
>>>> Special thank to you, Brian and Ed about the comments.
>>>>
>>>> I propose to work on the doc: anyone from the community can edit the
>>>> doc.
>>>>
>>>> Thanks,
>>>> Regards
>>>> JB
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On Fri, Sep 22, 2023 at 8:18 PM Ryan Blue <bl...@tabular.io> wrote:
>>>> >
>>>> > To me, this proposal is getting a bit ahead of where I'm comfortable.
>>>> I was expecting this to address some of the big questions about how to run
>>>> an event like this from an open source community, but it seems to be
>>>> assuming that the event will happen and addresses logistics.
>>>> >
>>>> > Here's an example of what I mean: the doc suggests the different
>>>> levels of sponsors, slots at those levels, and prices. But I think the main
>>>> question the community has to think through before we get there --- and
>>>> what I'd expect in a proposal --- is how to ensure that such an event
>>>> remains commercially neutral. Because you're asking for this to be an
>>>> "official" event from the community and using its trademarks, we need to
>>>> think through how we want to strike that balance.
>>>> >
>>>> > I'd like to see more of a proposal around:
>>>> > 1. Should the Iceberg community put on an event? Clearly, we like the
>>>> idea of exchanging ideas, but it goes beyond that.
>>>> > 2. How would we balance the interests of different parts of the
>>>> community and why should we take that approach?
>>>> >
>>>> > We have a lot of different companies contributing and building around
>>>> Iceberg. The last thing that we want to do is give the impression that the
>>>> community is in any way "pay-to-play" --- that's one of this community's
>>>> distinguishing features.
>>>> >
>>>> > Also, I want to disclose that I'm also associated with a vendor
>>>> (Tabular). With that hat on, I think we'd happily sponsor an event like
>>>> this. But with my community hat on I want to make sure we plan it out and
>>>> think carefully.
>>>> >
>>>> > Ryan
>>>> >
>>>> > On Fri, Sep 22, 2023 at 2:09 AM Jean-Baptiste Onofré <jb...@nanthrax.net>
>>>> wrote:
>>>> >>
>>>> >> Hi guys,
>>>> >>
>>>> >> Finally (sorry for the long wait :)), a first formal Iceberg Summit
>>>> >> proposal doc is ready to be populated/reviewed:
>>>> >>
>>>> >>
>>>> https://docs.google.com/document/d/1Uy9-qRxLtjMWJkRXsjj94Vq3VO1Mc0wGz_bnisevNh8/edit?usp=sharing
>>>> >>
>>>> >> Anyone can edit the document, so feel free to complete or ask
>>>> >> questions via comments.
>>>> >>
>>>> >> Thanks !
>>>> >> Regards
>>>> >> JB
>>>> >>
>>>> >> On Wed, Aug 23, 2023 at 11:25 PM Jean-Baptiste Onofré <
>>>> jb@nanthrax.net> wrote:
>>>> >> >
>>>> >> > It sounds great :)
>>>> >> >
>>>> >> > I will include a note in the proposal doc about that.
>>>> >> >
>>>> >> > Regards
>>>> >> > JB
>>>> >> >
>>>> >> > Le mer. 23 août 2023 à 14:14, Brian Olsen <bi...@gmail.com>
>>>> a écrit :
>>>> >> >>
>>>> >> >> Out of curiosity, is anyone strongly opposed to doing antics like
>>>> this for summits?
>>>> >> >>
>>>> >> >>
>>>> https://youtube.com/playlist?list=PLFnr63che7wYFsknFAqisURvfm96rW0Dr
>>>> >> >>
>>>> >> >>
>>>> >> >> On Mon, Aug 21, 2023 at 6:58 PM Matt Topol <
>>>> zotthewizard@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>> >> >>>
>>>> >> >>> I don't think I'll have much time to contribute to help, but I
>>>> would absolutely help if possible.
>>>> >> >>>
>>>> >> >>> That said, I'll definitely want to give a talk / speak at this
>>>> summit when it happens :)
>>>> >> >>>
>>>> >> >>> On Mon, Aug 21, 2023 at 1:38 AM Jean-Baptiste Onofré <
>>>> jb@nanthrax.net> wrote:
>>>> >> >>>>
>>>> >> >>>> Hi guys,
>>>> >> >>>>
>>>> >> >>>> I'm back from vacation and I'm resuming the work on the Iceberg
>>>> Summit
>>>> >> >>>> proposal doc. I will share the doc asap.
>>>> >> >>>>
>>>> >> >>>> Regards
>>>> >> >>>> JB
>>>> >> >>>>
>>>> >> >>>> On Wed, Jul 5, 2023 at 4:37 PM Jean-Baptiste Onofré <
>>>> jb@nanthrax.net> wrote:
>>>> >> >>>> >
>>>> >> >>>> > Hi everyone,
>>>> >> >>>> >
>>>> >> >>>> > I started a discussion on the private mailing list, and, as
>>>> there are
>>>> >> >>>> > no objections from the PMC members, I'm moving the thread to
>>>> the dev
>>>> >> >>>> > mailing list.
>>>> >> >>>> >
>>>> >> >>>> > I propose to organize the first Apache Iceberg Summit \o/
>>>> >> >>>> >
>>>> >> >>>> > For the format, I think the best option is a virtual event
>>>> with a mix of:
>>>> >> >>>> > 1. Dev community talks: architecture, roadmap, features, use
>>>> in "products", ...
>>>> >> >>>> > 2. User community talks: companies could present their use
>>>> cases, best
>>>> >> >>>> > practices, ...
>>>> >> >>>> >
>>>> >> >>>> > In terms of organization:
>>>> >> >>>> > 1. no objection so far from the PMC members to use Apache
>>>> Iceberg
>>>> >> >>>> > Summit name. If it works for everyone, I will send a message
>>>> to the
>>>> >> >>>> > Apache Publicity & Marketing to get their OK for the event.
>>>> >> >>>> > 2. create two committees:
>>>> >> >>>> > 2.1. the Sponsoring Committee gathering
>>>> companies/organizations
>>>> >> >>>> > wanting to sponsor the event
>>>> >> >>>> > 2.2. the Program Committee gathers folks from the Iceberg
>>>> community
>>>> >> >>>> > (PMC/committers/contributors) to select talks.
>>>> >> >>>> >
>>>> >> >>>> > My company (Dremio) will “host” the event - i.e., provide
>>>> funding, a
>>>> >> >>>> > conference platform, sponsor logistics, speaker training,
>>>> slide
>>>> >> >>>> > design, etc..
>>>> >> >>>> >
>>>> >> >>>> > In terms of dates, as CommunityOverCode Con NA will be in
>>>> October, I
>>>> >> >>>> > think January 2024 would work: it gives us time to organize
>>>> smoothly,
>>>> >> >>>> > promote the event, and not in a rush.
>>>> >> >>>> >
>>>> >> >>>> > I propose:
>>>> >> >>>> > 1. to create the #summit channel on Iceberg Slack.
>>>> >> >>>> > 2. I will share a preparation document with a plan proposal.
>>>> >> >>>> >
>>>> >> >>>> > Thoughts ?
>>>> >> >>>> >
>>>> >> >>>> > Regards
>>>> >> >>>> > JB
>>>> >
>>>> >
>>>> >
>>>> > --
>>>> > Ryan Blue
>>>> > Tabular
>>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> --
>>> Ryan Blue
>>> Tabular
>>>
>>
>
> --
> Ryan Blue
> Tabular
>
Re: [PROPOSAL] Preparing first Apache Iceberg Summit
Posted by Ryan Blue <bl...@tabular.io>.
JB,
I think we're agreed that it would be great to promote the project and put
together talks to help expand the community. What isn't clear is how to
make this happen. Are you planning on updating the proposal to address the
concerns I raised or do you want someone else to pick that up?
Ryan
On Tue, Sep 26, 2023 at 11:28 PM Jean-Baptiste Onofré <jb...@nanthrax.net>
wrote:
> I mean that anyone interested can add it to the doc.
> I think we have different motivation and ideas. It’s great to share all
> together.
> Personally, my motivation is to promote the project (because it’s super
> interesting) and connect dots with other Apache projects. I also think it’s
> good timing to grow/expand our community.
> I will also work on the document thanks to your comment, as anyone can do
> :)
>
> Regards
> JB
>
> Le mer. 27 sept. 2023 à 00:47, Ryan Blue <bl...@tabular.io> a écrit :
>
>> JB,
>>
>> What do you mean --- are you going to put together the proposal for how
>> this would work? Or are you saying that anyone interested in that topic
>> could add it to the doc?
>>
>> Ryan
>>
>> On Tue, Sep 26, 2023 at 12:26 PM Jean-Baptiste Onofré <jb...@nanthrax.net>
>> wrote:
>>
>>> Hi Ryan,
>>>
>>> My bad: I understood in the previous discussion about the summit that
>>> we wanted something more concrete in terms of format, length,
>>> organisation, how we can set this up.
>>>
>>> Of course, no problem to take a step back, and the document is
>>> definitely where we can work all together. I'm also in the same
>>> situation as you: I'm helping using my Apache/community hat, but I
>>> included proposals from my company (Dremio) in the doc. For instance,
>>> I think it's important to "split" committees for sponsoring and track
>>> content, just to avoid "sales talk" as it's a community event.
>>> As few of us helped on summits in the past, experience and how it went
>>> are valuable.
>>>
>>> Special thank to you, Brian and Ed about the comments.
>>>
>>> I propose to work on the doc: anyone from the community can edit the doc.
>>>
>>> Thanks,
>>> Regards
>>> JB
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On Fri, Sep 22, 2023 at 8:18 PM Ryan Blue <bl...@tabular.io> wrote:
>>> >
>>> > To me, this proposal is getting a bit ahead of where I'm comfortable.
>>> I was expecting this to address some of the big questions about how to run
>>> an event like this from an open source community, but it seems to be
>>> assuming that the event will happen and addresses logistics.
>>> >
>>> > Here's an example of what I mean: the doc suggests the different
>>> levels of sponsors, slots at those levels, and prices. But I think the main
>>> question the community has to think through before we get there --- and
>>> what I'd expect in a proposal --- is how to ensure that such an event
>>> remains commercially neutral. Because you're asking for this to be an
>>> "official" event from the community and using its trademarks, we need to
>>> think through how we want to strike that balance.
>>> >
>>> > I'd like to see more of a proposal around:
>>> > 1. Should the Iceberg community put on an event? Clearly, we like the
>>> idea of exchanging ideas, but it goes beyond that.
>>> > 2. How would we balance the interests of different parts of the
>>> community and why should we take that approach?
>>> >
>>> > We have a lot of different companies contributing and building around
>>> Iceberg. The last thing that we want to do is give the impression that the
>>> community is in any way "pay-to-play" --- that's one of this community's
>>> distinguishing features.
>>> >
>>> > Also, I want to disclose that I'm also associated with a vendor
>>> (Tabular). With that hat on, I think we'd happily sponsor an event like
>>> this. But with my community hat on I want to make sure we plan it out and
>>> think carefully.
>>> >
>>> > Ryan
>>> >
>>> > On Fri, Sep 22, 2023 at 2:09 AM Jean-Baptiste Onofré <jb...@nanthrax.net>
>>> wrote:
>>> >>
>>> >> Hi guys,
>>> >>
>>> >> Finally (sorry for the long wait :)), a first formal Iceberg Summit
>>> >> proposal doc is ready to be populated/reviewed:
>>> >>
>>> >>
>>> https://docs.google.com/document/d/1Uy9-qRxLtjMWJkRXsjj94Vq3VO1Mc0wGz_bnisevNh8/edit?usp=sharing
>>> >>
>>> >> Anyone can edit the document, so feel free to complete or ask
>>> >> questions via comments.
>>> >>
>>> >> Thanks !
>>> >> Regards
>>> >> JB
>>> >>
>>> >> On Wed, Aug 23, 2023 at 11:25 PM Jean-Baptiste Onofré <
>>> jb@nanthrax.net> wrote:
>>> >> >
>>> >> > It sounds great :)
>>> >> >
>>> >> > I will include a note in the proposal doc about that.
>>> >> >
>>> >> > Regards
>>> >> > JB
>>> >> >
>>> >> > Le mer. 23 août 2023 à 14:14, Brian Olsen <bi...@gmail.com>
>>> a écrit :
>>> >> >>
>>> >> >> Out of curiosity, is anyone strongly opposed to doing antics like
>>> this for summits?
>>> >> >>
>>> >> >>
>>> https://youtube.com/playlist?list=PLFnr63che7wYFsknFAqisURvfm96rW0Dr
>>> >> >>
>>> >> >>
>>> >> >> On Mon, Aug 21, 2023 at 6:58 PM Matt Topol <zo...@gmail.com>
>>> wrote:
>>> >> >>>
>>> >> >>> I don't think I'll have much time to contribute to help, but I
>>> would absolutely help if possible.
>>> >> >>>
>>> >> >>> That said, I'll definitely want to give a talk / speak at this
>>> summit when it happens :)
>>> >> >>>
>>> >> >>> On Mon, Aug 21, 2023 at 1:38 AM Jean-Baptiste Onofré <
>>> jb@nanthrax.net> wrote:
>>> >> >>>>
>>> >> >>>> Hi guys,
>>> >> >>>>
>>> >> >>>> I'm back from vacation and I'm resuming the work on the Iceberg
>>> Summit
>>> >> >>>> proposal doc. I will share the doc asap.
>>> >> >>>>
>>> >> >>>> Regards
>>> >> >>>> JB
>>> >> >>>>
>>> >> >>>> On Wed, Jul 5, 2023 at 4:37 PM Jean-Baptiste Onofré <
>>> jb@nanthrax.net> wrote:
>>> >> >>>> >
>>> >> >>>> > Hi everyone,
>>> >> >>>> >
>>> >> >>>> > I started a discussion on the private mailing list, and, as
>>> there are
>>> >> >>>> > no objections from the PMC members, I'm moving the thread to
>>> the dev
>>> >> >>>> > mailing list.
>>> >> >>>> >
>>> >> >>>> > I propose to organize the first Apache Iceberg Summit \o/
>>> >> >>>> >
>>> >> >>>> > For the format, I think the best option is a virtual event
>>> with a mix of:
>>> >> >>>> > 1. Dev community talks: architecture, roadmap, features, use
>>> in "products", ...
>>> >> >>>> > 2. User community talks: companies could present their use
>>> cases, best
>>> >> >>>> > practices, ...
>>> >> >>>> >
>>> >> >>>> > In terms of organization:
>>> >> >>>> > 1. no objection so far from the PMC members to use Apache
>>> Iceberg
>>> >> >>>> > Summit name. If it works for everyone, I will send a message
>>> to the
>>> >> >>>> > Apache Publicity & Marketing to get their OK for the event.
>>> >> >>>> > 2. create two committees:
>>> >> >>>> > 2.1. the Sponsoring Committee gathering
>>> companies/organizations
>>> >> >>>> > wanting to sponsor the event
>>> >> >>>> > 2.2. the Program Committee gathers folks from the Iceberg
>>> community
>>> >> >>>> > (PMC/committers/contributors) to select talks.
>>> >> >>>> >
>>> >> >>>> > My company (Dremio) will “host” the event - i.e., provide
>>> funding, a
>>> >> >>>> > conference platform, sponsor logistics, speaker training, slide
>>> >> >>>> > design, etc..
>>> >> >>>> >
>>> >> >>>> > In terms of dates, as CommunityOverCode Con NA will be in
>>> October, I
>>> >> >>>> > think January 2024 would work: it gives us time to organize
>>> smoothly,
>>> >> >>>> > promote the event, and not in a rush.
>>> >> >>>> >
>>> >> >>>> > I propose:
>>> >> >>>> > 1. to create the #summit channel on Iceberg Slack.
>>> >> >>>> > 2. I will share a preparation document with a plan proposal.
>>> >> >>>> >
>>> >> >>>> > Thoughts ?
>>> >> >>>> >
>>> >> >>>> > Regards
>>> >> >>>> > JB
>>> >
>>> >
>>> >
>>> > --
>>> > Ryan Blue
>>> > Tabular
>>>
>>
>>
>> --
>> Ryan Blue
>> Tabular
>>
>
--
Ryan Blue
Tabular
Re: [PROPOSAL] Preparing first Apache Iceberg Summit
Posted by Jean-Baptiste Onofré <jb...@nanthrax.net>.
I mean that anyone interested can add it to the doc.
I think we have different motivation and ideas. It’s great to share all
together.
Personally, my motivation is to promote the project (because it’s super
interesting) and connect dots with other Apache projects. I also think it’s
good timing to grow/expand our community.
I will also work on the document thanks to your comment, as anyone can do :)
Regards
JB
Le mer. 27 sept. 2023 à 00:47, Ryan Blue <bl...@tabular.io> a écrit :
> JB,
>
> What do you mean --- are you going to put together the proposal for how
> this would work? Or are you saying that anyone interested in that topic
> could add it to the doc?
>
> Ryan
>
> On Tue, Sep 26, 2023 at 12:26 PM Jean-Baptiste Onofré <jb...@nanthrax.net>
> wrote:
>
>> Hi Ryan,
>>
>> My bad: I understood in the previous discussion about the summit that
>> we wanted something more concrete in terms of format, length,
>> organisation, how we can set this up.
>>
>> Of course, no problem to take a step back, and the document is
>> definitely where we can work all together. I'm also in the same
>> situation as you: I'm helping using my Apache/community hat, but I
>> included proposals from my company (Dremio) in the doc. For instance,
>> I think it's important to "split" committees for sponsoring and track
>> content, just to avoid "sales talk" as it's a community event.
>> As few of us helped on summits in the past, experience and how it went
>> are valuable.
>>
>> Special thank to you, Brian and Ed about the comments.
>>
>> I propose to work on the doc: anyone from the community can edit the doc.
>>
>> Thanks,
>> Regards
>> JB
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> On Fri, Sep 22, 2023 at 8:18 PM Ryan Blue <bl...@tabular.io> wrote:
>> >
>> > To me, this proposal is getting a bit ahead of where I'm comfortable. I
>> was expecting this to address some of the big questions about how to run an
>> event like this from an open source community, but it seems to be assuming
>> that the event will happen and addresses logistics.
>> >
>> > Here's an example of what I mean: the doc suggests the different levels
>> of sponsors, slots at those levels, and prices. But I think the main
>> question the community has to think through before we get there --- and
>> what I'd expect in a proposal --- is how to ensure that such an event
>> remains commercially neutral. Because you're asking for this to be an
>> "official" event from the community and using its trademarks, we need to
>> think through how we want to strike that balance.
>> >
>> > I'd like to see more of a proposal around:
>> > 1. Should the Iceberg community put on an event? Clearly, we like the
>> idea of exchanging ideas, but it goes beyond that.
>> > 2. How would we balance the interests of different parts of the
>> community and why should we take that approach?
>> >
>> > We have a lot of different companies contributing and building around
>> Iceberg. The last thing that we want to do is give the impression that the
>> community is in any way "pay-to-play" --- that's one of this community's
>> distinguishing features.
>> >
>> > Also, I want to disclose that I'm also associated with a vendor
>> (Tabular). With that hat on, I think we'd happily sponsor an event like
>> this. But with my community hat on I want to make sure we plan it out and
>> think carefully.
>> >
>> > Ryan
>> >
>> > On Fri, Sep 22, 2023 at 2:09 AM Jean-Baptiste Onofré <jb...@nanthrax.net>
>> wrote:
>> >>
>> >> Hi guys,
>> >>
>> >> Finally (sorry for the long wait :)), a first formal Iceberg Summit
>> >> proposal doc is ready to be populated/reviewed:
>> >>
>> >>
>> https://docs.google.com/document/d/1Uy9-qRxLtjMWJkRXsjj94Vq3VO1Mc0wGz_bnisevNh8/edit?usp=sharing
>> >>
>> >> Anyone can edit the document, so feel free to complete or ask
>> >> questions via comments.
>> >>
>> >> Thanks !
>> >> Regards
>> >> JB
>> >>
>> >> On Wed, Aug 23, 2023 at 11:25 PM Jean-Baptiste Onofré <jb...@nanthrax.net>
>> wrote:
>> >> >
>> >> > It sounds great :)
>> >> >
>> >> > I will include a note in the proposal doc about that.
>> >> >
>> >> > Regards
>> >> > JB
>> >> >
>> >> > Le mer. 23 août 2023 à 14:14, Brian Olsen <bi...@gmail.com>
>> a écrit :
>> >> >>
>> >> >> Out of curiosity, is anyone strongly opposed to doing antics like
>> this for summits?
>> >> >>
>> >> >>
>> https://youtube.com/playlist?list=PLFnr63che7wYFsknFAqisURvfm96rW0Dr
>> >> >>
>> >> >>
>> >> >> On Mon, Aug 21, 2023 at 6:58 PM Matt Topol <zo...@gmail.com>
>> wrote:
>> >> >>>
>> >> >>> I don't think I'll have much time to contribute to help, but I
>> would absolutely help if possible.
>> >> >>>
>> >> >>> That said, I'll definitely want to give a talk / speak at this
>> summit when it happens :)
>> >> >>>
>> >> >>> On Mon, Aug 21, 2023 at 1:38 AM Jean-Baptiste Onofré <
>> jb@nanthrax.net> wrote:
>> >> >>>>
>> >> >>>> Hi guys,
>> >> >>>>
>> >> >>>> I'm back from vacation and I'm resuming the work on the Iceberg
>> Summit
>> >> >>>> proposal doc. I will share the doc asap.
>> >> >>>>
>> >> >>>> Regards
>> >> >>>> JB
>> >> >>>>
>> >> >>>> On Wed, Jul 5, 2023 at 4:37 PM Jean-Baptiste Onofré <
>> jb@nanthrax.net> wrote:
>> >> >>>> >
>> >> >>>> > Hi everyone,
>> >> >>>> >
>> >> >>>> > I started a discussion on the private mailing list, and, as
>> there are
>> >> >>>> > no objections from the PMC members, I'm moving the thread to
>> the dev
>> >> >>>> > mailing list.
>> >> >>>> >
>> >> >>>> > I propose to organize the first Apache Iceberg Summit \o/
>> >> >>>> >
>> >> >>>> > For the format, I think the best option is a virtual event with
>> a mix of:
>> >> >>>> > 1. Dev community talks: architecture, roadmap, features, use in
>> "products", ...
>> >> >>>> > 2. User community talks: companies could present their use
>> cases, best
>> >> >>>> > practices, ...
>> >> >>>> >
>> >> >>>> > In terms of organization:
>> >> >>>> > 1. no objection so far from the PMC members to use Apache
>> Iceberg
>> >> >>>> > Summit name. If it works for everyone, I will send a message to
>> the
>> >> >>>> > Apache Publicity & Marketing to get their OK for the event.
>> >> >>>> > 2. create two committees:
>> >> >>>> > 2.1. the Sponsoring Committee gathering
>> companies/organizations
>> >> >>>> > wanting to sponsor the event
>> >> >>>> > 2.2. the Program Committee gathers folks from the Iceberg
>> community
>> >> >>>> > (PMC/committers/contributors) to select talks.
>> >> >>>> >
>> >> >>>> > My company (Dremio) will “host” the event - i.e., provide
>> funding, a
>> >> >>>> > conference platform, sponsor logistics, speaker training, slide
>> >> >>>> > design, etc..
>> >> >>>> >
>> >> >>>> > In terms of dates, as CommunityOverCode Con NA will be in
>> October, I
>> >> >>>> > think January 2024 would work: it gives us time to organize
>> smoothly,
>> >> >>>> > promote the event, and not in a rush.
>> >> >>>> >
>> >> >>>> > I propose:
>> >> >>>> > 1. to create the #summit channel on Iceberg Slack.
>> >> >>>> > 2. I will share a preparation document with a plan proposal.
>> >> >>>> >
>> >> >>>> > Thoughts ?
>> >> >>>> >
>> >> >>>> > Regards
>> >> >>>> > JB
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > --
>> > Ryan Blue
>> > Tabular
>>
>
>
> --
> Ryan Blue
> Tabular
>
Re: [PROPOSAL] Preparing first Apache Iceberg Summit
Posted by Ryan Blue <bl...@tabular.io>.
JB,
What do you mean --- are you going to put together the proposal for how
this would work? Or are you saying that anyone interested in that topic
could add it to the doc?
Ryan
On Tue, Sep 26, 2023 at 12:26 PM Jean-Baptiste Onofré <jb...@nanthrax.net>
wrote:
> Hi Ryan,
>
> My bad: I understood in the previous discussion about the summit that
> we wanted something more concrete in terms of format, length,
> organisation, how we can set this up.
>
> Of course, no problem to take a step back, and the document is
> definitely where we can work all together. I'm also in the same
> situation as you: I'm helping using my Apache/community hat, but I
> included proposals from my company (Dremio) in the doc. For instance,
> I think it's important to "split" committees for sponsoring and track
> content, just to avoid "sales talk" as it's a community event.
> As few of us helped on summits in the past, experience and how it went
> are valuable.
>
> Special thank to you, Brian and Ed about the comments.
>
> I propose to work on the doc: anyone from the community can edit the doc.
>
> Thanks,
> Regards
> JB
>
>
>
>
>
> On Fri, Sep 22, 2023 at 8:18 PM Ryan Blue <bl...@tabular.io> wrote:
> >
> > To me, this proposal is getting a bit ahead of where I'm comfortable. I
> was expecting this to address some of the big questions about how to run an
> event like this from an open source community, but it seems to be assuming
> that the event will happen and addresses logistics.
> >
> > Here's an example of what I mean: the doc suggests the different levels
> of sponsors, slots at those levels, and prices. But I think the main
> question the community has to think through before we get there --- and
> what I'd expect in a proposal --- is how to ensure that such an event
> remains commercially neutral. Because you're asking for this to be an
> "official" event from the community and using its trademarks, we need to
> think through how we want to strike that balance.
> >
> > I'd like to see more of a proposal around:
> > 1. Should the Iceberg community put on an event? Clearly, we like the
> idea of exchanging ideas, but it goes beyond that.
> > 2. How would we balance the interests of different parts of the
> community and why should we take that approach?
> >
> > We have a lot of different companies contributing and building around
> Iceberg. The last thing that we want to do is give the impression that the
> community is in any way "pay-to-play" --- that's one of this community's
> distinguishing features.
> >
> > Also, I want to disclose that I'm also associated with a vendor
> (Tabular). With that hat on, I think we'd happily sponsor an event like
> this. But with my community hat on I want to make sure we plan it out and
> think carefully.
> >
> > Ryan
> >
> > On Fri, Sep 22, 2023 at 2:09 AM Jean-Baptiste Onofré <jb...@nanthrax.net>
> wrote:
> >>
> >> Hi guys,
> >>
> >> Finally (sorry for the long wait :)), a first formal Iceberg Summit
> >> proposal doc is ready to be populated/reviewed:
> >>
> >>
> https://docs.google.com/document/d/1Uy9-qRxLtjMWJkRXsjj94Vq3VO1Mc0wGz_bnisevNh8/edit?usp=sharing
> >>
> >> Anyone can edit the document, so feel free to complete or ask
> >> questions via comments.
> >>
> >> Thanks !
> >> Regards
> >> JB
> >>
> >> On Wed, Aug 23, 2023 at 11:25 PM Jean-Baptiste Onofré <jb...@nanthrax.net>
> wrote:
> >> >
> >> > It sounds great :)
> >> >
> >> > I will include a note in the proposal doc about that.
> >> >
> >> > Regards
> >> > JB
> >> >
> >> > Le mer. 23 août 2023 à 14:14, Brian Olsen <bi...@gmail.com>
> a écrit :
> >> >>
> >> >> Out of curiosity, is anyone strongly opposed to doing antics like
> this for summits?
> >> >>
> >> >> https://youtube.com/playlist?list=PLFnr63che7wYFsknFAqisURvfm96rW0Dr
> >> >>
> >> >>
> >> >> On Mon, Aug 21, 2023 at 6:58 PM Matt Topol <zo...@gmail.com>
> wrote:
> >> >>>
> >> >>> I don't think I'll have much time to contribute to help, but I
> would absolutely help if possible.
> >> >>>
> >> >>> That said, I'll definitely want to give a talk / speak at this
> summit when it happens :)
> >> >>>
> >> >>> On Mon, Aug 21, 2023 at 1:38 AM Jean-Baptiste Onofré <
> jb@nanthrax.net> wrote:
> >> >>>>
> >> >>>> Hi guys,
> >> >>>>
> >> >>>> I'm back from vacation and I'm resuming the work on the Iceberg
> Summit
> >> >>>> proposal doc. I will share the doc asap.
> >> >>>>
> >> >>>> Regards
> >> >>>> JB
> >> >>>>
> >> >>>> On Wed, Jul 5, 2023 at 4:37 PM Jean-Baptiste Onofré <
> jb@nanthrax.net> wrote:
> >> >>>> >
> >> >>>> > Hi everyone,
> >> >>>> >
> >> >>>> > I started a discussion on the private mailing list, and, as
> there are
> >> >>>> > no objections from the PMC members, I'm moving the thread to the
> dev
> >> >>>> > mailing list.
> >> >>>> >
> >> >>>> > I propose to organize the first Apache Iceberg Summit \o/
> >> >>>> >
> >> >>>> > For the format, I think the best option is a virtual event with
> a mix of:
> >> >>>> > 1. Dev community talks: architecture, roadmap, features, use in
> "products", ...
> >> >>>> > 2. User community talks: companies could present their use
> cases, best
> >> >>>> > practices, ...
> >> >>>> >
> >> >>>> > In terms of organization:
> >> >>>> > 1. no objection so far from the PMC members to use Apache Iceberg
> >> >>>> > Summit name. If it works for everyone, I will send a message to
> the
> >> >>>> > Apache Publicity & Marketing to get their OK for the event.
> >> >>>> > 2. create two committees:
> >> >>>> > 2.1. the Sponsoring Committee gathering companies/organizations
> >> >>>> > wanting to sponsor the event
> >> >>>> > 2.2. the Program Committee gathers folks from the Iceberg
> community
> >> >>>> > (PMC/committers/contributors) to select talks.
> >> >>>> >
> >> >>>> > My company (Dremio) will “host” the event - i.e., provide
> funding, a
> >> >>>> > conference platform, sponsor logistics, speaker training, slide
> >> >>>> > design, etc..
> >> >>>> >
> >> >>>> > In terms of dates, as CommunityOverCode Con NA will be in
> October, I
> >> >>>> > think January 2024 would work: it gives us time to organize
> smoothly,
> >> >>>> > promote the event, and not in a rush.
> >> >>>> >
> >> >>>> > I propose:
> >> >>>> > 1. to create the #summit channel on Iceberg Slack.
> >> >>>> > 2. I will share a preparation document with a plan proposal.
> >> >>>> >
> >> >>>> > Thoughts ?
> >> >>>> >
> >> >>>> > Regards
> >> >>>> > JB
> >
> >
> >
> > --
> > Ryan Blue
> > Tabular
>
--
Ryan Blue
Tabular
Re: [PROPOSAL] Preparing first Apache Iceberg Summit
Posted by Jean-Baptiste Onofré <jb...@nanthrax.net>.
Hi Ryan,
My bad: I understood in the previous discussion about the summit that
we wanted something more concrete in terms of format, length,
organisation, how we can set this up.
Of course, no problem to take a step back, and the document is
definitely where we can work all together. I'm also in the same
situation as you: I'm helping using my Apache/community hat, but I
included proposals from my company (Dremio) in the doc. For instance,
I think it's important to "split" committees for sponsoring and track
content, just to avoid "sales talk" as it's a community event.
As few of us helped on summits in the past, experience and how it went
are valuable.
Special thank to you, Brian and Ed about the comments.
I propose to work on the doc: anyone from the community can edit the doc.
Thanks,
Regards
JB
On Fri, Sep 22, 2023 at 8:18 PM Ryan Blue <bl...@tabular.io> wrote:
>
> To me, this proposal is getting a bit ahead of where I'm comfortable. I was expecting this to address some of the big questions about how to run an event like this from an open source community, but it seems to be assuming that the event will happen and addresses logistics.
>
> Here's an example of what I mean: the doc suggests the different levels of sponsors, slots at those levels, and prices. But I think the main question the community has to think through before we get there --- and what I'd expect in a proposal --- is how to ensure that such an event remains commercially neutral. Because you're asking for this to be an "official" event from the community and using its trademarks, we need to think through how we want to strike that balance.
>
> I'd like to see more of a proposal around:
> 1. Should the Iceberg community put on an event? Clearly, we like the idea of exchanging ideas, but it goes beyond that.
> 2. How would we balance the interests of different parts of the community and why should we take that approach?
>
> We have a lot of different companies contributing and building around Iceberg. The last thing that we want to do is give the impression that the community is in any way "pay-to-play" --- that's one of this community's distinguishing features.
>
> Also, I want to disclose that I'm also associated with a vendor (Tabular). With that hat on, I think we'd happily sponsor an event like this. But with my community hat on I want to make sure we plan it out and think carefully.
>
> Ryan
>
> On Fri, Sep 22, 2023 at 2:09 AM Jean-Baptiste Onofré <jb...@nanthrax.net> wrote:
>>
>> Hi guys,
>>
>> Finally (sorry for the long wait :)), a first formal Iceberg Summit
>> proposal doc is ready to be populated/reviewed:
>>
>> https://docs.google.com/document/d/1Uy9-qRxLtjMWJkRXsjj94Vq3VO1Mc0wGz_bnisevNh8/edit?usp=sharing
>>
>> Anyone can edit the document, so feel free to complete or ask
>> questions via comments.
>>
>> Thanks !
>> Regards
>> JB
>>
>> On Wed, Aug 23, 2023 at 11:25 PM Jean-Baptiste Onofré <jb...@nanthrax.net> wrote:
>> >
>> > It sounds great :)
>> >
>> > I will include a note in the proposal doc about that.
>> >
>> > Regards
>> > JB
>> >
>> > Le mer. 23 août 2023 à 14:14, Brian Olsen <bi...@gmail.com> a écrit :
>> >>
>> >> Out of curiosity, is anyone strongly opposed to doing antics like this for summits?
>> >>
>> >> https://youtube.com/playlist?list=PLFnr63che7wYFsknFAqisURvfm96rW0Dr
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> On Mon, Aug 21, 2023 at 6:58 PM Matt Topol <zo...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> >>>
>> >>> I don't think I'll have much time to contribute to help, but I would absolutely help if possible.
>> >>>
>> >>> That said, I'll definitely want to give a talk / speak at this summit when it happens :)
>> >>>
>> >>> On Mon, Aug 21, 2023 at 1:38 AM Jean-Baptiste Onofré <jb...@nanthrax.net> wrote:
>> >>>>
>> >>>> Hi guys,
>> >>>>
>> >>>> I'm back from vacation and I'm resuming the work on the Iceberg Summit
>> >>>> proposal doc. I will share the doc asap.
>> >>>>
>> >>>> Regards
>> >>>> JB
>> >>>>
>> >>>> On Wed, Jul 5, 2023 at 4:37 PM Jean-Baptiste Onofré <jb...@nanthrax.net> wrote:
>> >>>> >
>> >>>> > Hi everyone,
>> >>>> >
>> >>>> > I started a discussion on the private mailing list, and, as there are
>> >>>> > no objections from the PMC members, I'm moving the thread to the dev
>> >>>> > mailing list.
>> >>>> >
>> >>>> > I propose to organize the first Apache Iceberg Summit \o/
>> >>>> >
>> >>>> > For the format, I think the best option is a virtual event with a mix of:
>> >>>> > 1. Dev community talks: architecture, roadmap, features, use in "products", ...
>> >>>> > 2. User community talks: companies could present their use cases, best
>> >>>> > practices, ...
>> >>>> >
>> >>>> > In terms of organization:
>> >>>> > 1. no objection so far from the PMC members to use Apache Iceberg
>> >>>> > Summit name. If it works for everyone, I will send a message to the
>> >>>> > Apache Publicity & Marketing to get their OK for the event.
>> >>>> > 2. create two committees:
>> >>>> > 2.1. the Sponsoring Committee gathering companies/organizations
>> >>>> > wanting to sponsor the event
>> >>>> > 2.2. the Program Committee gathers folks from the Iceberg community
>> >>>> > (PMC/committers/contributors) to select talks.
>> >>>> >
>> >>>> > My company (Dremio) will “host” the event - i.e., provide funding, a
>> >>>> > conference platform, sponsor logistics, speaker training, slide
>> >>>> > design, etc..
>> >>>> >
>> >>>> > In terms of dates, as CommunityOverCode Con NA will be in October, I
>> >>>> > think January 2024 would work: it gives us time to organize smoothly,
>> >>>> > promote the event, and not in a rush.
>> >>>> >
>> >>>> > I propose:
>> >>>> > 1. to create the #summit channel on Iceberg Slack.
>> >>>> > 2. I will share a preparation document with a plan proposal.
>> >>>> >
>> >>>> > Thoughts ?
>> >>>> >
>> >>>> > Regards
>> >>>> > JB
>
>
>
> --
> Ryan Blue
> Tabular
Re: [PROPOSAL] Preparing first Apache Iceberg Summit
Posted by Ryan Blue <bl...@tabular.io>.
To me, this proposal is getting a bit ahead of where I'm comfortable. I was
expecting this to address some of the big questions about how to run an
event like this from an open source community, but it seems to be assuming
that the event will happen and addresses logistics.
Here's an example of what I mean: the doc suggests the different levels of
sponsors, slots at those levels, and prices. But I think the main
question the community has to think through before we get there --- and
what I'd expect in a proposal --- is how to ensure that such an event
remains commercially neutral. Because you're asking for this to be an
"official" event from the community and using its trademarks, we need to
think through how we want to strike that balance.
I'd like to see more of a proposal around:
1. Should the Iceberg community put on an event? Clearly, we like the idea
of exchanging ideas, but it goes beyond that.
2. How would we balance the interests of different parts of the community
and why should we take that approach?
We have a lot of different companies contributing and building around
Iceberg. The last thing that we want to do is give the impression that the
community is in any way "pay-to-play" --- that's one of this community's
distinguishing features.
Also, I want to disclose that I'm also associated with a vendor (Tabular).
With that hat on, I think we'd happily sponsor an event like this. But with
my community hat on I want to make sure we plan it out and think carefully.
Ryan
On Fri, Sep 22, 2023 at 2:09 AM Jean-Baptiste Onofré <jb...@nanthrax.net>
wrote:
> Hi guys,
>
> Finally (sorry for the long wait :)), a first formal Iceberg Summit
> proposal doc is ready to be populated/reviewed:
>
>
> https://docs.google.com/document/d/1Uy9-qRxLtjMWJkRXsjj94Vq3VO1Mc0wGz_bnisevNh8/edit?usp=sharing
>
> Anyone can edit the document, so feel free to complete or ask
> questions via comments.
>
> Thanks !
> Regards
> JB
>
> On Wed, Aug 23, 2023 at 11:25 PM Jean-Baptiste Onofré <jb...@nanthrax.net>
> wrote:
> >
> > It sounds great :)
> >
> > I will include a note in the proposal doc about that.
> >
> > Regards
> > JB
> >
> > Le mer. 23 août 2023 à 14:14, Brian Olsen <bi...@gmail.com> a
> écrit :
> >>
> >> Out of curiosity, is anyone strongly opposed to doing antics like this
> for summits?
> >>
> >> https://youtube.com/playlist?list=PLFnr63che7wYFsknFAqisURvfm96rW0Dr
> >>
> >>
> >> On Mon, Aug 21, 2023 at 6:58 PM Matt Topol <zo...@gmail.com>
> wrote:
> >>>
> >>> I don't think I'll have much time to contribute to help, but I would
> absolutely help if possible.
> >>>
> >>> That said, I'll definitely want to give a talk / speak at this summit
> when it happens :)
> >>>
> >>> On Mon, Aug 21, 2023 at 1:38 AM Jean-Baptiste Onofré <jb...@nanthrax.net>
> wrote:
> >>>>
> >>>> Hi guys,
> >>>>
> >>>> I'm back from vacation and I'm resuming the work on the Iceberg Summit
> >>>> proposal doc. I will share the doc asap.
> >>>>
> >>>> Regards
> >>>> JB
> >>>>
> >>>> On Wed, Jul 5, 2023 at 4:37 PM Jean-Baptiste Onofré <jb...@nanthrax.net>
> wrote:
> >>>> >
> >>>> > Hi everyone,
> >>>> >
> >>>> > I started a discussion on the private mailing list, and, as there
> are
> >>>> > no objections from the PMC members, I'm moving the thread to the dev
> >>>> > mailing list.
> >>>> >
> >>>> > I propose to organize the first Apache Iceberg Summit \o/
> >>>> >
> >>>> > For the format, I think the best option is a virtual event with a
> mix of:
> >>>> > 1. Dev community talks: architecture, roadmap, features, use in
> "products", ...
> >>>> > 2. User community talks: companies could present their use cases,
> best
> >>>> > practices, ...
> >>>> >
> >>>> > In terms of organization:
> >>>> > 1. no objection so far from the PMC members to use Apache Iceberg
> >>>> > Summit name. If it works for everyone, I will send a message to the
> >>>> > Apache Publicity & Marketing to get their OK for the event.
> >>>> > 2. create two committees:
> >>>> > 2.1. the Sponsoring Committee gathering companies/organizations
> >>>> > wanting to sponsor the event
> >>>> > 2.2. the Program Committee gathers folks from the Iceberg
> community
> >>>> > (PMC/committers/contributors) to select talks.
> >>>> >
> >>>> > My company (Dremio) will “host” the event - i.e., provide funding, a
> >>>> > conference platform, sponsor logistics, speaker training, slide
> >>>> > design, etc..
> >>>> >
> >>>> > In terms of dates, as CommunityOverCode Con NA will be in October, I
> >>>> > think January 2024 would work: it gives us time to organize
> smoothly,
> >>>> > promote the event, and not in a rush.
> >>>> >
> >>>> > I propose:
> >>>> > 1. to create the #summit channel on Iceberg Slack.
> >>>> > 2. I will share a preparation document with a plan proposal.
> >>>> >
> >>>> > Thoughts ?
> >>>> >
> >>>> > Regards
> >>>> > JB
>
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