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Re: [DISCUSS] How about hosting discourse as an alternative way for mailing list?
+cc comdev
Maybe you will be intested in this new type communication.
Best,
tison.
Xuanwo <xu...@apache.org> 于2023年12月19日周二 19:15写道：
>
> > Discourse will provide us an incoming email address. All email sent to
> > this address will become a post in discourse. We need to add this
> > address into the dev@o.a.o's subcriber list.
>
> This is talking about Discourse SaaS which cost about $100 ($50 if we have non-profit discount).
>
> If we can request a vm from ASF Infra, we will need:
>
> - VM with 4C8G
> - Postgresql
> - A SMTP account to send mails
> - A domain like discuss.opendal.apache.org
>
> On Tue, Dec 19, 2023, at 18:55, Xuanwo wrote:
> >> Does it need any configuration from the mailing list part, i.e.,
> >> involve INFRA setup?
> >
> > Discourse will provide us an incoming email address. All email sent to
> > this address will become a post in discourse. We need to add this
> > address into the dev@o.a.o's subcriber list.
> >
> > No another setup needed, AFAIK.
> >
> > We need some test and demo to make sure everything works as expected.
> > At the time of writing, I don't know how to do that.
> >
> > On Tue, Dec 19, 2023, at 18:19, tison wrote:
> >>> called mailing list mode
> >>
> >> Does it need any configuration from the mailing list part, i.e.,
> >> involve INFRA setup?
> >>
> >> I don't know how this happen but as long as we have a readable copy on
> >> the dev@ mailing list, other integration as view can be OK.
> >>
> >> Best,
> >> tison.
> >>
> >> Jun Ouyang <ou...@gmail.com> 于2023年12月19日周二 18:16写道：
> >>>
> >>> Hi xuanwo:
> >>> That’s great! I strongly agree with this change. But I have a concern about
> >>> markdown support sync to Maillist, It seems will cause more bad experiences
> >>> for Maillist users.
> >>>
> >>> *GPG public key: 4A6D297E6F74638E4D5F8E99152AC7B5F7608B26*
> >>> *Thanks,*
> >>> *Jun Ouyang*
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> On Tue, Dec 19, 2023 at 17:36 Xuanwo <xu...@apache.org> wrote:
> >>>
> >>> > Hi, all opendal community members
> >>> >
> >>> > I'm thinking about hosting discourse as an alternative way for mailing
> >>> > list.
> >>> >
> >>> > Discourse has a feature called mailing list mode. After enabling this
> >>> > feature, we will sync every post between our mailling list and discourse.
> >>> >
> >>> > - Users can create/reply to posts created in discourse via email.
> >>> > - Users can create/reply to posts send by email in discourse.
> >>> > - Users can search all posts in discourse.
> >>> >
> >>> > By adding this new alternative, I can see the following benefits:
> >>> >
> >>> > - All discussion still happen and archived on mailing list (here).
> >>> > - Users like mailing list can still uses mailing list without any change.
> >>> > - Users like forums can use discourse instead.
> >>> > - Users don't need to subscribe the email list first before asking
> >>> > questions.
> >>> > - Markdown support, Full-text search support, better UI/UX...
> >>> >
> >>> > What do you think? Do you want this alternative?
> >>> >
> >>> > Xuanwo
> >>> >
> >
> > --
> > Xuanwo
>
> --
> Xuanwo
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Re: [DISCUSS] How about hosting discourse as an alternative way for mailing list?
Posted by tison <wa...@gmail.com>.
After a closer look, I don't think Discourse brings too much value but
a new platform to track.
Although as long as it's a third-party integration that doesn't affect
the view from a pure mailing list user, I don't object it. But it
doesn't seem valuable to me.
INFRA provides https://lists.apache.org/list.html?dev@opendal.apache.org
to track the threads and it's also searchable.
Best,
tison.
tison <wa...@gmail.com> 于2023年12月19日周二 19:23写道：
>
> +cc comdev
>
> Maybe you will be intested in this new type communication.
>
> Best,
> tison.
>
> Xuanwo <xu...@apache.org> 于2023年12月19日周二 19:15写道：
> >
> > > Discourse will provide us an incoming email address. All email sent to
> > > this address will become a post in discourse. We need to add this
> > > address into the dev@o.a.o's subcriber list.
> >
> > This is talking about Discourse SaaS which cost about $100 ($50 if we have non-profit discount).
> >
> > If we can request a vm from ASF Infra, we will need:
> >
> > - VM with 4C8G
> > - Postgresql
> > - A SMTP account to send mails
> > - A domain like discuss.opendal.apache.org
> >
> > On Tue, Dec 19, 2023, at 18:55, Xuanwo wrote:
> > >> Does it need any configuration from the mailing list part, i.e.,
> > >> involve INFRA setup?
> > >
> > > Discourse will provide us an incoming email address. All email sent to
> > > this address will become a post in discourse. We need to add this
> > > address into the dev@o.a.o's subcriber list.
> > >
> > > No another setup needed, AFAIK.
> > >
> > > We need some test and demo to make sure everything works as expected.
> > > At the time of writing, I don't know how to do that.
> > >
> > > On Tue, Dec 19, 2023, at 18:19, tison wrote:
> > >>> called mailing list mode
> > >>
> > >> Does it need any configuration from the mailing list part, i.e.,
> > >> involve INFRA setup?
> > >>
> > >> I don't know how this happen but as long as we have a readable copy on
> > >> the dev@ mailing list, other integration as view can be OK.
> > >>
> > >> Best,
> > >> tison.
> > >>
> > >> Jun Ouyang <ou...@gmail.com> 于2023年12月19日周二 18:16写道：
> > >>>
> > >>> Hi xuanwo:
> > >>> That’s great! I strongly agree with this change. But I have a concern about
> > >>> markdown support sync to Maillist, It seems will cause more bad experiences
> > >>> for Maillist users.
> > >>>
> > >>> *GPG public key: 4A6D297E6F74638E4D5F8E99152AC7B5F7608B26*
> > >>> *Thanks,*
> > >>> *Jun Ouyang*
> > >>>
> > >>>
> > >>> On Tue, Dec 19, 2023 at 17:36 Xuanwo <xu...@apache.org> wrote:
> > >>>
> > >>> > Hi, all opendal community members
> > >>> >
> > >>> > I'm thinking about hosting discourse as an alternative way for mailing
> > >>> > list.
> > >>> >
> > >>> > Discourse has a feature called mailing list mode. After enabling this
> > >>> > feature, we will sync every post between our mailling list and discourse.
> > >>> >
> > >>> > - Users can create/reply to posts created in discourse via email.
> > >>> > - Users can create/reply to posts send by email in discourse.
> > >>> > - Users can search all posts in discourse.
> > >>> >
> > >>> > By adding this new alternative, I can see the following benefits:
> > >>> >
> > >>> > - All discussion still happen and archived on mailing list (here).
> > >>> > - Users like mailing list can still uses mailing list without any change.
> > >>> > - Users like forums can use discourse instead.
> > >>> > - Users don't need to subscribe the email list first before asking
> > >>> > questions.
> > >>> > - Markdown support, Full-text search support, better UI/UX...
> > >>> >
> > >>> > What do you think? Do you want this alternative?
> > >>> >
> > >>> > Xuanwo
> > >>> >
> > >
> > > --
> > > Xuanwo
> >
> > --
> > Xuanwo
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Re: [DISCUSS] How about hosting discourse as an alternative way for mailing list?
Posted by tison <wa...@gmail.com>.
After a closer look, I don't think Discourse brings too much value but
a new platform to track.
Although as long as it's a third-party integration that doesn't affect
the view from a pure mailing list user, I don't object it. But it
doesn't seem valuable to me.
INFRA provides https://lists.apache.org/list.html?dev@opendal.apache.org
to track the threads and it's also searchable.
Best,
tison.
tison <wa...@gmail.com> 于2023年12月19日周二 19:23写道：
>
> +cc comdev
>
> Maybe you will be intested in this new type communication.
>
> Best,
> tison.
>
> Xuanwo <xu...@apache.org> 于2023年12月19日周二 19:15写道：
> >
> > > Discourse will provide us an incoming email address. All email sent to
> > > this address will become a post in discourse. We need to add this
> > > address into the dev@o.a.o's subcriber list.
> >
> > This is talking about Discourse SaaS which cost about $100 ($50 if we have non-profit discount).
> >
> > If we can request a vm from ASF Infra, we will need:
> >
> > - VM with 4C8G
> > - Postgresql
> > - A SMTP account to send mails
> > - A domain like discuss.opendal.apache.org
> >
> > On Tue, Dec 19, 2023, at 18:55, Xuanwo wrote:
> > >> Does it need any configuration from the mailing list part, i.e.,
> > >> involve INFRA setup?
> > >
> > > Discourse will provide us an incoming email address. All email sent to
> > > this address will become a post in discourse. We need to add this
> > > address into the dev@o.a.o's subcriber list.
> > >
> > > No another setup needed, AFAIK.
> > >
> > > We need some test and demo to make sure everything works as expected.
> > > At the time of writing, I don't know how to do that.
> > >
> > > On Tue, Dec 19, 2023, at 18:19, tison wrote:
> > >>> called mailing list mode
> > >>
> > >> Does it need any configuration from the mailing list part, i.e.,
> > >> involve INFRA setup?
> > >>
> > >> I don't know how this happen but as long as we have a readable copy on
> > >> the dev@ mailing list, other integration as view can be OK.
> > >>
> > >> Best,
> > >> tison.
> > >>
> > >> Jun Ouyang <ou...@gmail.com> 于2023年12月19日周二 18:16写道：
> > >>>
> > >>> Hi xuanwo:
> > >>> That’s great! I strongly agree with this change. But I have a concern about
> > >>> markdown support sync to Maillist, It seems will cause more bad experiences
> > >>> for Maillist users.
> > >>>
> > >>> *GPG public key: 4A6D297E6F74638E4D5F8E99152AC7B5F7608B26*
> > >>> *Thanks,*
> > >>> *Jun Ouyang*
> > >>>
> > >>>
> > >>> On Tue, Dec 19, 2023 at 17:36 Xuanwo <xu...@apache.org> wrote:
> > >>>
> > >>> > Hi, all opendal community members
> > >>> >
> > >>> > I'm thinking about hosting discourse as an alternative way for mailing
> > >>> > list.
> > >>> >
> > >>> > Discourse has a feature called mailing list mode. After enabling this
> > >>> > feature, we will sync every post between our mailling list and discourse.
> > >>> >
> > >>> > - Users can create/reply to posts created in discourse via email.
> > >>> > - Users can create/reply to posts send by email in discourse.
> > >>> > - Users can search all posts in discourse.
> > >>> >
> > >>> > By adding this new alternative, I can see the following benefits:
> > >>> >
> > >>> > - All discussion still happen and archived on mailing list (here).
> > >>> > - Users like mailing list can still uses mailing list without any change.
> > >>> > - Users like forums can use discourse instead.
> > >>> > - Users don't need to subscribe the email list first before asking
> > >>> > questions.
> > >>> > - Markdown support, Full-text search support, better UI/UX...
> > >>> >
> > >>> > What do you think? Do you want this alternative?
> > >>> >
> > >>> > Xuanwo
> > >>> >
> > >
> > > --
> > > Xuanwo
> >
> > --
> > Xuanwo
Re: [DISCUSS] How about hosting discourse as an alternative way for mailing list?
Posted by rb...@rcbowen.com.
On Wed, 2023-12-20 at 14:26 +0800, Xuanwo wrote:
> **Other solutions?**
>
> We could also consider hosting a modern frontend for our mailing
> list, similar to Hyperkitty. For instance, take a look at:
> https://ml.ruby-lang.org/mailman3/hyperkitty/list/ruby-talk@ml.ruby-lang.org/
Yes, but we *have* one of those. It's at lists.apache.org
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Re: [DISCUSS] How about hosting discourse as an alternative way for mailing list?
Posted by rb...@rcbowen.com.
On Wed, 2023-12-20 at 14:26 +0800, Xuanwo wrote:
> **Other solutions?**
>
> We could also consider hosting a modern frontend for our mailing
> list, similar to Hyperkitty. For instance, take a look at:
> https://ml.ruby-lang.org/mailman3/hyperkitty/list/ruby-talk@ml.ruby-lang.org/
Yes, but we *have* one of those. It's at lists.apache.org
Re: [DISCUSS] How about hosting discourse as an alternative way for mailing list?
Posted by Daniel Gruno <hu...@apache.org>.
On 12/20/23 07:26, Xuanwo wrote:
> I did some research on discourse and found that it doesn't work as it described.
>
> Alought it can receive and create new topics from mailing list, but it can't send mails to mailing list when posts or replies created at discourse. This will make it a possible read-only archives of our mailing list, or just another platforms for discussion.
>
> So:
>
> **For read-only archives**
>
> The read-only archives will be like: https://rubytalk.org/. Users need to reply by email instead.
>
> **For another new platform**
>
> I don't think another new platform is a good idea. Personally, I'd rather not have to monitor an additional platform beyond the mailing list, GitHub, and Discord.
>
> **Other solutions?**
>
> We could also consider hosting a modern frontend for our mailing list, similar to Hyperkitty. For instance, take a look at: https://ml.ruby-lang.org/mailman3/hyperkitty/list/ruby-talk@ml.ruby-lang.org/
We have continuously looked into HyperKitty for mailing lists, dating as
far back as 2016, and it does not scale for our use - it failed quite
miserably in fact, which is how Pony Mail came to be. Our current
archive does allow for interacting with lists through it, so I am
curious as to what people are looking for here?
>
> **Or just keep AS-IS**
>
> We can stick to our current communication methods if other options don't offer significant benefits.
>
> On Wed, Dec 20, 2023, at 00:31, Dinesh Joshi wrote:
>> Open an INFRA ticket on Jira. Thats one of the best ways to get answers.
>>
>> The infra user list doesn’t appear to be private. It requires a
>> subscription like most mailing lists to post. See
>> https://infra.apache.org/contact.html
>>
>>
>>>
>>> On Dec 19, 2023, at 5:38 AM, tison <wa...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>
>>> Hi Bowen,
>>>
>>> Thanks for your advice! I want to involve INFRA in the first place,
>>> but IIRC user@infra.a.o is private.
>>>
>>> Shall we invite INFRA members to this thread, or we start a new thread
>>> on user@infra.a.o?
>>>
>>> Best,
>>> tison.
>>>
>>> <rb...@rcbowen.com> 于2023年12月19日周二 21:28写道：
>>>>> On Tue, 2023-12-19 at 19:23 +0800, tison wrote:
>>>>> +cc comdev
>>>>> Maybe you will be intested in this new type communication.
>>>> I would encourage you to take this up with Infra. I am certain that
>>>> this has come up before, and that Infra has already done some research
>>>> into Discourse, not only in terms of hosting it for projects, but for
>>>> the Foundation as a whole, and have thoughts about the sustainability
>>>> of doing this in individual VMs vs some kind of service provider. I
>>>> don't know what their advice will be, but they are definitely the right
>>>> folks to ask for that advice.
>>>>> Xuanwo <xu...@apache.org> 于2023年12月19日周二 19:15写道：
>>>>>>> Discourse will provide us an incoming email address. All email
>>>>>>> sent to
>>>>>>> this address will become a post in discourse. We need to add this
>>>>>>> address into the dev@o.a.o's subcriber list.
>>>>>> This is talking about Discourse SaaS which cost about $100 ($50 if
>>>>>> we have non-profit discount).
>>>>>> If we can request a vm from ASF Infra, we will need:
>>>>>> - VM with 4C8G
>>>>>> - Postgresql
>>>>>> - A SMTP account to send mails
>>>>>> - A domain like discuss.opendal.apache.org
>>>>>> On Tue, Dec 19, 2023, at 18:55, Xuanwo wrote:
>>>>>>>> Does it need any configuration from the mailing list part,
>>>>>>>> i.e.,
>>>>>>>> involve INFRA setup?
>>>>>>> Discourse will provide us an incoming email address. All email
>>>>>>> sent to
>>>>>>> this address will become a post in discourse. We need to add this
>>>>>>> address into the dev@o.a.o's subcriber list.
>>>>>>> No another setup needed, AFAIK.
>>>>>>> We need some test and demo to make sure everything works as
>>>>>>> expected.
>>>>>>> At the time of writing, I don't know how to do that.
>>>>>>> On Tue, Dec 19, 2023, at 18:19, tison wrote:
>>>>>>>>> called mailing list mode
>>>>>>>> Does it need any configuration from the mailing list part,
>>>>>>>> i.e.,
>>>>>>>> involve INFRA setup?
>>>>>>>> I don't know how this happen but as long as we have a readable
>>>>>>>> copy on
>>>>>>>> the dev@ mailing list, other integration as view can be OK.
>>>>>>>> Best,
>>>>>>>> tison.
>>>>>>>> Jun Ouyang <ou...@gmail.com> 于2023年12月19日周二 18:16写道：
>>>>>>>>> Hi xuanwo:
>>>>>>>>> That’s great! I strongly agree with this change. But I have a
>>>>>>>>> concern about
>>>>>>>>> markdown support sync to Maillist, It seems will cause more
>>>>>>>>> bad experiences
>>>>>>>>> for Maillist users.
>>>>>>>>> *GPG public key: 4A6D297E6F74638E4D5F8E99152AC7B5F7608B26*
>>>>>>>>> *Thanks,*
>>>>>>>>> *Jun Ouyang*
>>>>>>>>> On Tue, Dec 19, 2023 at 17:36 Xuanwo <xu...@apache.org>
>>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>> Hi, all opendal community members
>>>>>>>>>> I'm thinking about hosting discourse as an alternative way
>>>>>>>>>> for mailing
>>>>>>>>>> list.
>>>>>>>>>> Discourse has a feature called mailing list mode. After
>>>>>>>>>> enabling this
>>>>>>>>>> feature, we will sync every post between our mailling list
>>>>>>>>>> and discourse.
>>>>>>>>>> - Users can create/reply to posts created in discourse via
>>>>>>>>>> email.
>>>>>>>>>> - Users can create/reply to posts send by email in
>>>>>>>>>> discourse.
>>>>>>>>>> - Users can search all posts in discourse.
>>>>>>>>>> By adding this new alternative, I can see the following
>>>>>>>>>> benefits:
>>>>>>>>>> - All discussion still happen and archived on mailing list
>>>>>>>>>> (here).
>>>>>>>>>> - Users like mailing list can still uses mailing list
>>>>>>>>>> without any change.
>>>>>>>>>> - Users like forums can use discourse instead.
>>>>>>>>>> - Users don't need to subscribe the email list first before
>>>>>>>>>> asking
>>>>>>>>>> questions.
>>>>>>>>>> - Markdown support, Full-text search support, better
>>>>>>>>>> UI/UX...
>>>>>>>>>> What do you think? Do you want this alternative?
>>>>>>>>>> Xuanwo
>>>>>>> --
>>>>>>> Xuanwo
>>>>>> --
>>>>>> Xuanwo
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Re: [DISCUSS] How about hosting discourse as an alternative way for mailing list?
Posted by Xuanwo <xu...@apache.org>.
I did some research on discourse and found that it doesn't work as it described.
Alought it can receive and create new topics from mailing list, but it can't send mails to mailing list when posts or replies created at discourse. This will make it a possible read-only archives of our mailing list, or just another platforms for discussion.
So:
**For read-only archives**
The read-only archives will be like: https://rubytalk.org/. Users need to reply by email instead.
**For another new platform**
I don't think another new platform is a good idea. Personally, I'd rather not have to monitor an additional platform beyond the mailing list, GitHub, and Discord.
**Other solutions?**
We could also consider hosting a modern frontend for our mailing list, similar to Hyperkitty. For instance, take a look at: https://ml.ruby-lang.org/mailman3/hyperkitty/list/ruby-talk@ml.ruby-lang.org/
**Or just keep AS-IS**
We can stick to our current communication methods if other options don't offer significant benefits.
On Wed, Dec 20, 2023, at 00:31, Dinesh Joshi wrote:
> Open an INFRA ticket on Jira. Thats one of the best ways to get answers.
>
> The infra user list doesn’t appear to be private. It requires a
> subscription like most mailing lists to post. See
> https://infra.apache.org/contact.html
>
>
>>
>> On Dec 19, 2023, at 5:38 AM, tison <wa...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>> Hi Bowen,
>>
>> Thanks for your advice! I want to involve INFRA in the first place,
>> but IIRC user@infra.a.o is private.
>>
>> Shall we invite INFRA members to this thread, or we start a new thread
>> on user@infra.a.o?
>>
>> Best,
>> tison.
>>
>> <rb...@rcbowen.com> 于2023年12月19日周二 21:28写道：
>>>> On Tue, 2023-12-19 at 19:23 +0800, tison wrote:
>>>> +cc comdev
>>>> Maybe you will be intested in this new type communication.
>>> I would encourage you to take this up with Infra. I am certain that
>>> this has come up before, and that Infra has already done some research
>>> into Discourse, not only in terms of hosting it for projects, but for
>>> the Foundation as a whole, and have thoughts about the sustainability
>>> of doing this in individual VMs vs some kind of service provider. I
>>> don't know what their advice will be, but they are definitely the right
>>> folks to ask for that advice.
>>>> Xuanwo <xu...@apache.org> 于2023年12月19日周二 19:15写道：
>>>>>> Discourse will provide us an incoming email address. All email
>>>>>> sent to
>>>>>> this address will become a post in discourse. We need to add this
>>>>>> address into the dev@o.a.o's subcriber list.
>>>>> This is talking about Discourse SaaS which cost about $100 ($50 if
>>>>> we have non-profit discount).
>>>>> If we can request a vm from ASF Infra, we will need:
>>>>> - VM with 4C8G
>>>>> - Postgresql
>>>>> - A SMTP account to send mails
>>>>> - A domain like discuss.opendal.apache.org
>>>>> On Tue, Dec 19, 2023, at 18:55, Xuanwo wrote:
>>>>>>> Does it need any configuration from the mailing list part,
>>>>>>> i.e.,
>>>>>>> involve INFRA setup?
>>>>>> Discourse will provide us an incoming email address. All email
>>>>>> sent to
>>>>>> this address will become a post in discourse. We need to add this
>>>>>> address into the dev@o.a.o's subcriber list.
>>>>>> No another setup needed, AFAIK.
>>>>>> We need some test and demo to make sure everything works as
>>>>>> expected.
>>>>>> At the time of writing, I don't know how to do that.
>>>>>> On Tue, Dec 19, 2023, at 18:19, tison wrote:
>>>>>>>> called mailing list mode
>>>>>>> Does it need any configuration from the mailing list part,
>>>>>>> i.e.,
>>>>>>> involve INFRA setup?
>>>>>>> I don't know how this happen but as long as we have a readable
>>>>>>> copy on
>>>>>>> the dev@ mailing list, other integration as view can be OK.
>>>>>>> Best,
>>>>>>> tison.
>>>>>>> Jun Ouyang <ou...@gmail.com> 于2023年12月19日周二 18:16写道：
>>>>>>>> Hi xuanwo:
>>>>>>>> That’s great! I strongly agree with this change. But I have a
>>>>>>>> concern about
>>>>>>>> markdown support sync to Maillist, It seems will cause more
>>>>>>>> bad experiences
>>>>>>>> for Maillist users.
>>>>>>>> *GPG public key: 4A6D297E6F74638E4D5F8E99152AC7B5F7608B26*
>>>>>>>> *Thanks,*
>>>>>>>> *Jun Ouyang*
>>>>>>>> On Tue, Dec 19, 2023 at 17:36 Xuanwo <xu...@apache.org>
>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>> Hi, all opendal community members
>>>>>>>>> I'm thinking about hosting discourse as an alternative way
>>>>>>>>> for mailing
>>>>>>>>> list.
>>>>>>>>> Discourse has a feature called mailing list mode. After
>>>>>>>>> enabling this
>>>>>>>>> feature, we will sync every post between our mailling list
>>>>>>>>> and discourse.
>>>>>>>>> - Users can create/reply to posts created in discourse via
>>>>>>>>> email.
>>>>>>>>> - Users can create/reply to posts send by email in
>>>>>>>>> discourse.
>>>>>>>>> - Users can search all posts in discourse.
>>>>>>>>> By adding this new alternative, I can see the following
>>>>>>>>> benefits:
>>>>>>>>> - All discussion still happen and archived on mailing list
>>>>>>>>> (here).
>>>>>>>>> - Users like mailing list can still uses mailing list
>>>>>>>>> without any change.
>>>>>>>>> - Users like forums can use discourse instead.
>>>>>>>>> - Users don't need to subscribe the email list first before
>>>>>>>>> asking
>>>>>>>>> questions.
>>>>>>>>> - Markdown support, Full-text search support, better
>>>>>>>>> UI/UX...
>>>>>>>>> What do you think? Do you want this alternative?
>>>>>>>>> Xuanwo
>>>>>> --
>>>>>> Xuanwo
>>>>> --
>>>>> Xuanwo
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Re: [DISCUSS] How about hosting discourse as an alternative way for mailing list?
Posted by Xuanwo <xu...@apache.org>.
I did some research on discourse and found that it doesn't work as it described.
Alought it can receive and create new topics from mailing list, but it can't send mails to mailing list when posts or replies created at discourse. This will make it a possible read-only archives of our mailing list, or just another platforms for discussion.
So:
**For read-only archives**
The read-only archives will be like: https://rubytalk.org/. Users need to reply by email instead.
**For another new platform**
I don't think another new platform is a good idea. Personally, I'd rather not have to monitor an additional platform beyond the mailing list, GitHub, and Discord.
**Other solutions?**
We could also consider hosting a modern frontend for our mailing list, similar to Hyperkitty. For instance, take a look at: https://ml.ruby-lang.org/mailman3/hyperkitty/list/ruby-talk@ml.ruby-lang.org/
**Or just keep AS-IS**
We can stick to our current communication methods if other options don't offer significant benefits.
On Wed, Dec 20, 2023, at 00:31, Dinesh Joshi wrote:
> Open an INFRA ticket on Jira. Thats one of the best ways to get answers.
>
> The infra user list doesn’t appear to be private. It requires a
> subscription like most mailing lists to post. See
> https://infra.apache.org/contact.html
>
>
>>
>> On Dec 19, 2023, at 5:38 AM, tison <wa...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>> Hi Bowen,
>>
>> Thanks for your advice! I want to involve INFRA in the first place,
>> but IIRC user@infra.a.o is private.
>>
>> Shall we invite INFRA members to this thread, or we start a new thread
>> on user@infra.a.o?
>>
>> Best,
>> tison.
>>
>> <rb...@rcbowen.com> 于2023年12月19日周二 21:28写道：
>>>> On Tue, 2023-12-19 at 19:23 +0800, tison wrote:
>>>> +cc comdev
>>>> Maybe you will be intested in this new type communication.
>>> I would encourage you to take this up with Infra. I am certain that
>>> this has come up before, and that Infra has already done some research
>>> into Discourse, not only in terms of hosting it for projects, but for
>>> the Foundation as a whole, and have thoughts about the sustainability
>>> of doing this in individual VMs vs some kind of service provider. I
>>> don't know what their advice will be, but they are definitely the right
>>> folks to ask for that advice.
>>>> Xuanwo <xu...@apache.org> 于2023年12月19日周二 19:15写道：
>>>>>> Discourse will provide us an incoming email address. All email
>>>>>> sent to
>>>>>> this address will become a post in discourse. We need to add this
>>>>>> address into the dev@o.a.o's subcriber list.
>>>>> This is talking about Discourse SaaS which cost about $100 ($50 if
>>>>> we have non-profit discount).
>>>>> If we can request a vm from ASF Infra, we will need:
>>>>> - VM with 4C8G
>>>>> - Postgresql
>>>>> - A SMTP account to send mails
>>>>> - A domain like discuss.opendal.apache.org
>>>>> On Tue, Dec 19, 2023, at 18:55, Xuanwo wrote:
>>>>>>> Does it need any configuration from the mailing list part,
>>>>>>> i.e.,
>>>>>>> involve INFRA setup?
>>>>>> Discourse will provide us an incoming email address. All email
>>>>>> sent to
>>>>>> this address will become a post in discourse. We need to add this
>>>>>> address into the dev@o.a.o's subcriber list.
>>>>>> No another setup needed, AFAIK.
>>>>>> We need some test and demo to make sure everything works as
>>>>>> expected.
>>>>>> At the time of writing, I don't know how to do that.
>>>>>> On Tue, Dec 19, 2023, at 18:19, tison wrote:
>>>>>>>> called mailing list mode
>>>>>>> Does it need any configuration from the mailing list part,
>>>>>>> i.e.,
>>>>>>> involve INFRA setup?
>>>>>>> I don't know how this happen but as long as we have a readable
>>>>>>> copy on
>>>>>>> the dev@ mailing list, other integration as view can be OK.
>>>>>>> Best,
>>>>>>> tison.
>>>>>>> Jun Ouyang <ou...@gmail.com> 于2023年12月19日周二 18:16写道：
>>>>>>>> Hi xuanwo:
>>>>>>>> That’s great! I strongly agree with this change. But I have a
>>>>>>>> concern about
>>>>>>>> markdown support sync to Maillist, It seems will cause more
>>>>>>>> bad experiences
>>>>>>>> for Maillist users.
>>>>>>>> *GPG public key: 4A6D297E6F74638E4D5F8E99152AC7B5F7608B26*
>>>>>>>> *Thanks,*
>>>>>>>> *Jun Ouyang*
>>>>>>>> On Tue, Dec 19, 2023 at 17:36 Xuanwo <xu...@apache.org>
>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>> Hi, all opendal community members
>>>>>>>>> I'm thinking about hosting discourse as an alternative way
>>>>>>>>> for mailing
>>>>>>>>> list.
>>>>>>>>> Discourse has a feature called mailing list mode. After
>>>>>>>>> enabling this
>>>>>>>>> feature, we will sync every post between our mailling list
>>>>>>>>> and discourse.
>>>>>>>>> - Users can create/reply to posts created in discourse via
>>>>>>>>> email.
>>>>>>>>> - Users can create/reply to posts send by email in
>>>>>>>>> discourse.
>>>>>>>>> - Users can search all posts in discourse.
>>>>>>>>> By adding this new alternative, I can see the following
>>>>>>>>> benefits:
>>>>>>>>> - All discussion still happen and archived on mailing list
>>>>>>>>> (here).
>>>>>>>>> - Users like mailing list can still uses mailing list
>>>>>>>>> without any change.
>>>>>>>>> - Users like forums can use discourse instead.
>>>>>>>>> - Users don't need to subscribe the email list first before
>>>>>>>>> asking
>>>>>>>>> questions.
>>>>>>>>> - Markdown support, Full-text search support, better
>>>>>>>>> UI/UX...
>>>>>>>>> What do you think? Do you want this alternative?
>>>>>>>>> Xuanwo
>>>>>> --
>>>>>> Xuanwo
>>>>> --
>>>>> Xuanwo
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Re: [DISCUSS] How about hosting discourse as an alternative way for mailing list?
Posted by Dinesh Joshi <dj...@apache.org>.
Open an INFRA ticket on Jira. Thats one of the best ways to get answers.
The infra user list doesn’t appear to be private. It requires a subscription like most mailing lists to post. See https://infra.apache.org/contact.html
>
> On Dec 19, 2023, at 5:38 AM, tison <wa...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> Hi Bowen,
>
> Thanks for your advice! I want to involve INFRA in the first place,
> but IIRC user@infra.a.o is private.
>
> Shall we invite INFRA members to this thread, or we start a new thread
> on user@infra.a.o?
>
> Best,
> tison.
>
> <rb...@rcbowen.com> 于2023年12月19日周二 21:28写道：
>>> On Tue, 2023-12-19 at 19:23 +0800, tison wrote:
>>> +cc comdev
>>> Maybe you will be intested in this new type communication.
>> I would encourage you to take this up with Infra. I am certain that
>> this has come up before, and that Infra has already done some research
>> into Discourse, not only in terms of hosting it for projects, but for
>> the Foundation as a whole, and have thoughts about the sustainability
>> of doing this in individual VMs vs some kind of service provider. I
>> don't know what their advice will be, but they are definitely the right
>> folks to ask for that advice.
>>> Xuanwo <xu...@apache.org> 于2023年12月19日周二 19:15写道：
>>>>> Discourse will provide us an incoming email address. All email
>>>>> sent to
>>>>> this address will become a post in discourse. We need to add this
>>>>> address into the dev@o.a.o's subcriber list.
>>>> This is talking about Discourse SaaS which cost about $100 ($50 if
>>>> we have non-profit discount).
>>>> If we can request a vm from ASF Infra, we will need:
>>>> - VM with 4C8G
>>>> - Postgresql
>>>> - A SMTP account to send mails
>>>> - A domain like discuss.opendal.apache.org
>>>> On Tue, Dec 19, 2023, at 18:55, Xuanwo wrote:
>>>>>> Does it need any configuration from the mailing list part,
>>>>>> i.e.,
>>>>>> involve INFRA setup?
>>>>> Discourse will provide us an incoming email address. All email
>>>>> sent to
>>>>> this address will become a post in discourse. We need to add this
>>>>> address into the dev@o.a.o's subcriber list.
>>>>> No another setup needed, AFAIK.
>>>>> We need some test and demo to make sure everything works as
>>>>> expected.
>>>>> At the time of writing, I don't know how to do that.
>>>>> On Tue, Dec 19, 2023, at 18:19, tison wrote:
>>>>>>> called mailing list mode
>>>>>> Does it need any configuration from the mailing list part,
>>>>>> i.e.,
>>>>>> involve INFRA setup?
>>>>>> I don't know how this happen but as long as we have a readable
>>>>>> copy on
>>>>>> the dev@ mailing list, other integration as view can be OK.
>>>>>> Best,
>>>>>> tison.
>>>>>> Jun Ouyang <ou...@gmail.com> 于2023年12月19日周二 18:16写道：
>>>>>>> Hi xuanwo:
>>>>>>> That’s great! I strongly agree with this change. But I have a
>>>>>>> concern about
>>>>>>> markdown support sync to Maillist, It seems will cause more
>>>>>>> bad experiences
>>>>>>> for Maillist users.
>>>>>>> *GPG public key: 4A6D297E6F74638E4D5F8E99152AC7B5F7608B26*
>>>>>>> *Thanks,*
>>>>>>> *Jun Ouyang*
>>>>>>> On Tue, Dec 19, 2023 at 17:36 Xuanwo <xu...@apache.org>
>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>> Hi, all opendal community members
>>>>>>>> I'm thinking about hosting discourse as an alternative way
>>>>>>>> for mailing
>>>>>>>> list.
>>>>>>>> Discourse has a feature called mailing list mode. After
>>>>>>>> enabling this
>>>>>>>> feature, we will sync every post between our mailling list
>>>>>>>> and discourse.
>>>>>>>> - Users can create/reply to posts created in discourse via
>>>>>>>> email.
>>>>>>>> - Users can create/reply to posts send by email in
>>>>>>>> discourse.
>>>>>>>> - Users can search all posts in discourse.
>>>>>>>> By adding this new alternative, I can see the following
>>>>>>>> benefits:
>>>>>>>> - All discussion still happen and archived on mailing list
>>>>>>>> (here).
>>>>>>>> - Users like mailing list can still uses mailing list
>>>>>>>> without any change.
>>>>>>>> - Users like forums can use discourse instead.
>>>>>>>> - Users don't need to subscribe the email list first before
>>>>>>>> asking
>>>>>>>> questions.
>>>>>>>> - Markdown support, Full-text search support, better
>>>>>>>> UI/UX...
>>>>>>>> What do you think? Do you want this alternative?
>>>>>>>> Xuanwo
>>>>> --
>>>>> Xuanwo
>>>> --
>>>> Xuanwo
>>> ---------------------------------------------------------------------
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Re: [DISCUSS] How about hosting discourse as an alternative way for mailing list?
Posted by Dinesh Joshi <dj...@apache.org>.
Open an INFRA ticket on Jira. Thats one of the best ways to get answers.
The infra user list doesn’t appear to be private. It requires a subscription like most mailing lists to post. See https://infra.apache.org/contact.html
>
> On Dec 19, 2023, at 5:38 AM, tison <wa...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> Hi Bowen,
>
> Thanks for your advice! I want to involve INFRA in the first place,
> but IIRC user@infra.a.o is private.
>
> Shall we invite INFRA members to this thread, or we start a new thread
> on user@infra.a.o?
>
> Best,
> tison.
>
> <rb...@rcbowen.com> 于2023年12月19日周二 21:28写道：
>>> On Tue, 2023-12-19 at 19:23 +0800, tison wrote:
>>> +cc comdev
>>> Maybe you will be intested in this new type communication.
>> I would encourage you to take this up with Infra. I am certain that
>> this has come up before, and that Infra has already done some research
>> into Discourse, not only in terms of hosting it for projects, but for
>> the Foundation as a whole, and have thoughts about the sustainability
>> of doing this in individual VMs vs some kind of service provider. I
>> don't know what their advice will be, but they are definitely the right
>> folks to ask for that advice.
>>> Xuanwo <xu...@apache.org> 于2023年12月19日周二 19:15写道：
>>>>> Discourse will provide us an incoming email address. All email
>>>>> sent to
>>>>> this address will become a post in discourse. We need to add this
>>>>> address into the dev@o.a.o's subcriber list.
>>>> This is talking about Discourse SaaS which cost about $100 ($50 if
>>>> we have non-profit discount).
>>>> If we can request a vm from ASF Infra, we will need:
>>>> - VM with 4C8G
>>>> - Postgresql
>>>> - A SMTP account to send mails
>>>> - A domain like discuss.opendal.apache.org
>>>> On Tue, Dec 19, 2023, at 18:55, Xuanwo wrote:
>>>>>> Does it need any configuration from the mailing list part,
>>>>>> i.e.,
>>>>>> involve INFRA setup?
>>>>> Discourse will provide us an incoming email address. All email
>>>>> sent to
>>>>> this address will become a post in discourse. We need to add this
>>>>> address into the dev@o.a.o's subcriber list.
>>>>> No another setup needed, AFAIK.
>>>>> We need some test and demo to make sure everything works as
>>>>> expected.
>>>>> At the time of writing, I don't know how to do that.
>>>>> On Tue, Dec 19, 2023, at 18:19, tison wrote:
>>>>>>> called mailing list mode
>>>>>> Does it need any configuration from the mailing list part,
>>>>>> i.e.,
>>>>>> involve INFRA setup?
>>>>>> I don't know how this happen but as long as we have a readable
>>>>>> copy on
>>>>>> the dev@ mailing list, other integration as view can be OK.
>>>>>> Best,
>>>>>> tison.
>>>>>> Jun Ouyang <ou...@gmail.com> 于2023年12月19日周二 18:16写道：
>>>>>>> Hi xuanwo:
>>>>>>> That’s great! I strongly agree with this change. But I have a
>>>>>>> concern about
>>>>>>> markdown support sync to Maillist, It seems will cause more
>>>>>>> bad experiences
>>>>>>> for Maillist users.
>>>>>>> *GPG public key: 4A6D297E6F74638E4D5F8E99152AC7B5F7608B26*
>>>>>>> *Thanks,*
>>>>>>> *Jun Ouyang*
>>>>>>> On Tue, Dec 19, 2023 at 17:36 Xuanwo <xu...@apache.org>
>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>> Hi, all opendal community members
>>>>>>>> I'm thinking about hosting discourse as an alternative way
>>>>>>>> for mailing
>>>>>>>> list.
>>>>>>>> Discourse has a feature called mailing list mode. After
>>>>>>>> enabling this
>>>>>>>> feature, we will sync every post between our mailling list
>>>>>>>> and discourse.
>>>>>>>> - Users can create/reply to posts created in discourse via
>>>>>>>> email.
>>>>>>>> - Users can create/reply to posts send by email in
>>>>>>>> discourse.
>>>>>>>> - Users can search all posts in discourse.
>>>>>>>> By adding this new alternative, I can see the following
>>>>>>>> benefits:
>>>>>>>> - All discussion still happen and archived on mailing list
>>>>>>>> (here).
>>>>>>>> - Users like mailing list can still uses mailing list
>>>>>>>> without any change.
>>>>>>>> - Users like forums can use discourse instead.
>>>>>>>> - Users don't need to subscribe the email list first before
>>>>>>>> asking
>>>>>>>> questions.
>>>>>>>> - Markdown support, Full-text search support, better
>>>>>>>> UI/UX...
>>>>>>>> What do you think? Do you want this alternative?
>>>>>>>> Xuanwo
>>>>> --
>>>>> Xuanwo
>>>> --
>>>> Xuanwo
>>> ---------------------------------------------------------------------
>>> To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscribe@community.apache.org
>>> For additional commands, e-mail: dev-help@community.apache.org
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Re: [DISCUSS] How about hosting discourse as an alternative way for mailing list?
Posted by Daniel Gruno <hu...@apache.org>.
On 12/19/23 14:37, tison wrote:
> Hi Bowen,
>
> Thanks for your advice! I want to involve INFRA in the first place,
> but IIRC user@infra.a.o is private.
It is indeed private to the foundation, as sensitive queries may be
posted there. It is open to all committers to browse and interact with
through lists.apache.org as long as you log in using your ASF credentials.
>
> Shall we invite INFRA members to this thread, or we start a new thread
> on user@infra.a.o?
>
> Best,
> tison.
>
> <rb...@rcbowen.com> 于2023年12月19日周二 21:28写道：
>>
>> On Tue, 2023-12-19 at 19:23 +0800, tison wrote:
>>> +cc comdev
>>>
>>> Maybe you will be intested in this new type communication.
>>
>> I would encourage you to take this up with Infra. I am certain that
>> this has come up before, and that Infra has already done some research
>> into Discourse, not only in terms of hosting it for projects, but for
>> the Foundation as a whole, and have thoughts about the sustainability
>> of doing this in individual VMs vs some kind of service provider. I
>> don't know what their advice will be, but they are definitely the right
>> folks to ask for that advice.
>>
>>
>>
>>> Xuanwo <xu...@apache.org> 于2023年12月19日周二 19:15写道：
>>>>
>>>>> Discourse will provide us an incoming email address. All email
>>>>> sent to
>>>>> this address will become a post in discourse. We need to add this
>>>>> address into the dev@o.a.o's subcriber list.
>>>>
>>>> This is talking about Discourse SaaS which cost about $100 ($50 if
>>>> we have non-profit discount).
>>>>
>>>> If we can request a vm from ASF Infra, we will need:
>>>>
>>>> - VM with 4C8G
>>>> - Postgresql
>>>> - A SMTP account to send mails
>>>> - A domain like discuss.opendal.apache.org
>>>>
>>>> On Tue, Dec 19, 2023, at 18:55, Xuanwo wrote:
>>>>>> Does it need any configuration from the mailing list part,
>>>>>> i.e.,
>>>>>> involve INFRA setup?
>>>>>
>>>>> Discourse will provide us an incoming email address. All email
>>>>> sent to
>>>>> this address will become a post in discourse. We need to add this
>>>>> address into the dev@o.a.o's subcriber list.
>>>>>
>>>>> No another setup needed, AFAIK.
>>>>>
>>>>> We need some test and demo to make sure everything works as
>>>>> expected.
>>>>> At the time of writing, I don't know how to do that.
>>>>>
>>>>> On Tue, Dec 19, 2023, at 18:19, tison wrote:
>>>>>>> called mailing list mode
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Does it need any configuration from the mailing list part,
>>>>>> i.e.,
>>>>>> involve INFRA setup?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I don't know how this happen but as long as we have a readable
>>>>>> copy on
>>>>>> the dev@ mailing list, other integration as view can be OK.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Best,
>>>>>> tison.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Jun Ouyang <ou...@gmail.com> 于2023年12月19日周二 18:16写道：
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Hi xuanwo:
>>>>>>> That’s great! I strongly agree with this change. But I have a
>>>>>>> concern about
>>>>>>> markdown support sync to Maillist, It seems will cause more
>>>>>>> bad experiences
>>>>>>> for Maillist users.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> *GPG public key: 4A6D297E6F74638E4D5F8E99152AC7B5F7608B26*
>>>>>>> *Thanks,*
>>>>>>> *Jun Ouyang*
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On Tue, Dec 19, 2023 at 17:36 Xuanwo <xu...@apache.org>
>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Hi, all opendal community members
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> I'm thinking about hosting discourse as an alternative way
>>>>>>>> for mailing
>>>>>>>> list.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Discourse has a feature called mailing list mode. After
>>>>>>>> enabling this
>>>>>>>> feature, we will sync every post between our mailling list
>>>>>>>> and discourse.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> - Users can create/reply to posts created in discourse via
>>>>>>>> email.
>>>>>>>> - Users can create/reply to posts send by email in
>>>>>>>> discourse.
>>>>>>>> - Users can search all posts in discourse.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> By adding this new alternative, I can see the following
>>>>>>>> benefits:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> - All discussion still happen and archived on mailing list
>>>>>>>> (here).
>>>>>>>> - Users like mailing list can still uses mailing list
>>>>>>>> without any change.
>>>>>>>> - Users like forums can use discourse instead.
>>>>>>>> - Users don't need to subscribe the email list first before
>>>>>>>> asking
>>>>>>>> questions.
>>>>>>>> - Markdown support, Full-text search support, better
>>>>>>>> UI/UX...
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> What do you think? Do you want this alternative?
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Xuanwo
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> --
>>>>> Xuanwo
>>>>
>>>> --
>>>> Xuanwo
>>>
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>>>
>>
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Re: [DISCUSS] How about hosting discourse as an alternative way for mailing list?
Posted by tison <wa...@gmail.com>.
Hi Bowen,
Thanks for your advice! I want to involve INFRA in the first place,
but IIRC user@infra.a.o is private.
Shall we invite INFRA members to this thread, or we start a new thread
on user@infra.a.o?
Best,
tison.
<rb...@rcbowen.com> 于2023年12月19日周二 21:28写道：
>
> On Tue, 2023-12-19 at 19:23 +0800, tison wrote:
> > +cc comdev
> >
> > Maybe you will be intested in this new type communication.
>
> I would encourage you to take this up with Infra. I am certain that
> this has come up before, and that Infra has already done some research
> into Discourse, not only in terms of hosting it for projects, but for
> the Foundation as a whole, and have thoughts about the sustainability
> of doing this in individual VMs vs some kind of service provider. I
> don't know what their advice will be, but they are definitely the right
> folks to ask for that advice.
>
>
>
> > Xuanwo <xu...@apache.org> 于2023年12月19日周二 19:15写道：
> > >
> > > > Discourse will provide us an incoming email address. All email
> > > > sent to
> > > > this address will become a post in discourse. We need to add this
> > > > address into the dev@o.a.o's subcriber list.
> > >
> > > This is talking about Discourse SaaS which cost about $100 ($50 if
> > > we have non-profit discount).
> > >
> > > If we can request a vm from ASF Infra, we will need:
> > >
> > > - VM with 4C8G
> > > - Postgresql
> > > - A SMTP account to send mails
> > > - A domain like discuss.opendal.apache.org
> > >
> > > On Tue, Dec 19, 2023, at 18:55, Xuanwo wrote:
> > > > > Does it need any configuration from the mailing list part,
> > > > > i.e.,
> > > > > involve INFRA setup?
> > > >
> > > > Discourse will provide us an incoming email address. All email
> > > > sent to
> > > > this address will become a post in discourse. We need to add this
> > > > address into the dev@o.a.o's subcriber list.
> > > >
> > > > No another setup needed, AFAIK.
> > > >
> > > > We need some test and demo to make sure everything works as
> > > > expected.
> > > > At the time of writing, I don't know how to do that.
> > > >
> > > > On Tue, Dec 19, 2023, at 18:19, tison wrote:
> > > > > > called mailing list mode
> > > > >
> > > > > Does it need any configuration from the mailing list part,
> > > > > i.e.,
> > > > > involve INFRA setup?
> > > > >
> > > > > I don't know how this happen but as long as we have a readable
> > > > > copy on
> > > > > the dev@ mailing list, other integration as view can be OK.
> > > > >
> > > > > Best,
> > > > > tison.
> > > > >
> > > > > Jun Ouyang <ou...@gmail.com> 于2023年12月19日周二 18:16写道：
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Hi xuanwo:
> > > > > > That’s great! I strongly agree with this change. But I have a
> > > > > > concern about
> > > > > > markdown support sync to Maillist, It seems will cause more
> > > > > > bad experiences
> > > > > > for Maillist users.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > *GPG public key: 4A6D297E6F74638E4D5F8E99152AC7B5F7608B26*
> > > > > > *Thanks,*
> > > > > > *Jun Ouyang*
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > > On Tue, Dec 19, 2023 at 17:36 Xuanwo <xu...@apache.org>
> > > > > > wrote:
> > > > > >
> > > > > > > Hi, all opendal community members
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > I'm thinking about hosting discourse as an alternative way
> > > > > > > for mailing
> > > > > > > list.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Discourse has a feature called mailing list mode. After
> > > > > > > enabling this
> > > > > > > feature, we will sync every post between our mailling list
> > > > > > > and discourse.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > - Users can create/reply to posts created in discourse via
> > > > > > > email.
> > > > > > > - Users can create/reply to posts send by email in
> > > > > > > discourse.
> > > > > > > - Users can search all posts in discourse.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > By adding this new alternative, I can see the following
> > > > > > > benefits:
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > - All discussion still happen and archived on mailing list
> > > > > > > (here).
> > > > > > > - Users like mailing list can still uses mailing list
> > > > > > > without any change.
> > > > > > > - Users like forums can use discourse instead.
> > > > > > > - Users don't need to subscribe the email list first before
> > > > > > > asking
> > > > > > > questions.
> > > > > > > - Markdown support, Full-text search support, better
> > > > > > > UI/UX...
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > What do you think? Do you want this alternative?
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Xuanwo
> > > > > > >
> > > >
> > > > --
> > > > Xuanwo
> > >
> > > --
> > > Xuanwo
> >
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Re: [DISCUSS] How about hosting discourse as an alternative way for mailing list?
Posted by tison <wa...@gmail.com>.
Hi Bowen,
Thanks for your advice! I want to involve INFRA in the first place,
but IIRC user@infra.a.o is private.
Shall we invite INFRA members to this thread, or we start a new thread
on user@infra.a.o?
Best,
tison.
<rb...@rcbowen.com> 于2023年12月19日周二 21:28写道：
>
> On Tue, 2023-12-19 at 19:23 +0800, tison wrote:
> > +cc comdev
> >
> > Maybe you will be intested in this new type communication.
>
> I would encourage you to take this up with Infra. I am certain that
> this has come up before, and that Infra has already done some research
> into Discourse, not only in terms of hosting it for projects, but for
> the Foundation as a whole, and have thoughts about the sustainability
> of doing this in individual VMs vs some kind of service provider. I
> don't know what their advice will be, but they are definitely the right
> folks to ask for that advice.
>
>
>
> > Xuanwo <xu...@apache.org> 于2023年12月19日周二 19:15写道：
> > >
> > > > Discourse will provide us an incoming email address. All email
> > > > sent to
> > > > this address will become a post in discourse. We need to add this
> > > > address into the dev@o.a.o's subcriber list.
> > >
> > > This is talking about Discourse SaaS which cost about $100 ($50 if
> > > we have non-profit discount).
> > >
> > > If we can request a vm from ASF Infra, we will need:
> > >
> > > - VM with 4C8G
> > > - Postgresql
> > > - A SMTP account to send mails
> > > - A domain like discuss.opendal.apache.org
> > >
> > > On Tue, Dec 19, 2023, at 18:55, Xuanwo wrote:
> > > > > Does it need any configuration from the mailing list part,
> > > > > i.e.,
> > > > > involve INFRA setup?
> > > >
> > > > Discourse will provide us an incoming email address. All email
> > > > sent to
> > > > this address will become a post in discourse. We need to add this
> > > > address into the dev@o.a.o's subcriber list.
> > > >
> > > > No another setup needed, AFAIK.
> > > >
> > > > We need some test and demo to make sure everything works as
> > > > expected.
> > > > At the time of writing, I don't know how to do that.
> > > >
> > > > On Tue, Dec 19, 2023, at 18:19, tison wrote:
> > > > > > called mailing list mode
> > > > >
> > > > > Does it need any configuration from the mailing list part,
> > > > > i.e.,
> > > > > involve INFRA setup?
> > > > >
> > > > > I don't know how this happen but as long as we have a readable
> > > > > copy on
> > > > > the dev@ mailing list, other integration as view can be OK.
> > > > >
> > > > > Best,
> > > > > tison.
> > > > >
> > > > > Jun Ouyang <ou...@gmail.com> 于2023年12月19日周二 18:16写道：
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Hi xuanwo:
> > > > > > That’s great! I strongly agree with this change. But I have a
> > > > > > concern about
> > > > > > markdown support sync to Maillist, It seems will cause more
> > > > > > bad experiences
> > > > > > for Maillist users.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > *GPG public key: 4A6D297E6F74638E4D5F8E99152AC7B5F7608B26*
> > > > > > *Thanks,*
> > > > > > *Jun Ouyang*
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > > On Tue, Dec 19, 2023 at 17:36 Xuanwo <xu...@apache.org>
> > > > > > wrote:
> > > > > >
> > > > > > > Hi, all opendal community members
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > I'm thinking about hosting discourse as an alternative way
> > > > > > > for mailing
> > > > > > > list.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Discourse has a feature called mailing list mode. After
> > > > > > > enabling this
> > > > > > > feature, we will sync every post between our mailling list
> > > > > > > and discourse.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > - Users can create/reply to posts created in discourse via
> > > > > > > email.
> > > > > > > - Users can create/reply to posts send by email in
> > > > > > > discourse.
> > > > > > > - Users can search all posts in discourse.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > By adding this new alternative, I can see the following
> > > > > > > benefits:
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > - All discussion still happen and archived on mailing list
> > > > > > > (here).
> > > > > > > - Users like mailing list can still uses mailing list
> > > > > > > without any change.
> > > > > > > - Users like forums can use discourse instead.
> > > > > > > - Users don't need to subscribe the email list first before
> > > > > > > asking
> > > > > > > questions.
> > > > > > > - Markdown support, Full-text search support, better
> > > > > > > UI/UX...
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > What do you think? Do you want this alternative?
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Xuanwo
> > > > > > >
> > > >
> > > > --
> > > > Xuanwo
> > >
> > > --
> > > Xuanwo
> >
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> >
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Re: [DISCUSS] How about hosting discourse as an alternative way for mailing list?
Posted by rb...@rcbowen.com.
On Tue, 2023-12-19 at 19:23 +0800, tison wrote:
> +cc comdev
>
> Maybe you will be intested in this new type communication.
I would encourage you to take this up with Infra. I am certain that
this has come up before, and that Infra has already done some research
into Discourse, not only in terms of hosting it for projects, but for
the Foundation as a whole, and have thoughts about the sustainability
of doing this in individual VMs vs some kind of service provider. I
don't know what their advice will be, but they are definitely the right
folks to ask for that advice.
> Xuanwo <xu...@apache.org> 于2023年12月19日周二 19:15写道：
> >
> > > Discourse will provide us an incoming email address. All email
> > > sent to
> > > this address will become a post in discourse. We need to add this
> > > address into the dev@o.a.o's subcriber list.
> >
> > This is talking about Discourse SaaS which cost about $100 ($50 if
> > we have non-profit discount).
> >
> > If we can request a vm from ASF Infra, we will need:
> >
> > - VM with 4C8G
> > - Postgresql
> > - A SMTP account to send mails
> > - A domain like discuss.opendal.apache.org
> >
> > On Tue, Dec 19, 2023, at 18:55, Xuanwo wrote:
> > > > Does it need any configuration from the mailing list part,
> > > > i.e.,
> > > > involve INFRA setup?
> > >
> > > Discourse will provide us an incoming email address. All email
> > > sent to
> > > this address will become a post in discourse. We need to add this
> > > address into the dev@o.a.o's subcriber list.
> > >
> > > No another setup needed, AFAIK.
> > >
> > > We need some test and demo to make sure everything works as
> > > expected.
> > > At the time of writing, I don't know how to do that.
> > >
> > > On Tue, Dec 19, 2023, at 18:19, tison wrote:
> > > > > called mailing list mode
> > > >
> > > > Does it need any configuration from the mailing list part,
> > > > i.e.,
> > > > involve INFRA setup?
> > > >
> > > > I don't know how this happen but as long as we have a readable
> > > > copy on
> > > > the dev@ mailing list, other integration as view can be OK.
> > > >
> > > > Best,
> > > > tison.
> > > >
> > > > Jun Ouyang <ou...@gmail.com> 于2023年12月19日周二 18:16写道：
> > > > >
> > > > > Hi xuanwo:
> > > > > That’s great! I strongly agree with this change. But I have a
> > > > > concern about
> > > > > markdown support sync to Maillist, It seems will cause more
> > > > > bad experiences
> > > > > for Maillist users.
> > > > >
> > > > > *GPG public key: 4A6D297E6F74638E4D5F8E99152AC7B5F7608B26*
> > > > > *Thanks,*
> > > > > *Jun Ouyang*
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > On Tue, Dec 19, 2023 at 17:36 Xuanwo <xu...@apache.org>
> > > > > wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > > Hi, all opendal community members
> > > > > >
> > > > > > I'm thinking about hosting discourse as an alternative way
> > > > > > for mailing
> > > > > > list.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Discourse has a feature called mailing list mode. After
> > > > > > enabling this
> > > > > > feature, we will sync every post between our mailling list
> > > > > > and discourse.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > - Users can create/reply to posts created in discourse via
> > > > > > email.
> > > > > > - Users can create/reply to posts send by email in
> > > > > > discourse.
> > > > > > - Users can search all posts in discourse.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > By adding this new alternative, I can see the following
> > > > > > benefits:
> > > > > >
> > > > > > - All discussion still happen and archived on mailing list
> > > > > > (here).
> > > > > > - Users like mailing list can still uses mailing list
> > > > > > without any change.
> > > > > > - Users like forums can use discourse instead.
> > > > > > - Users don't need to subscribe the email list first before
> > > > > > asking
> > > > > > questions.
> > > > > > - Markdown support, Full-text search support, better
> > > > > > UI/UX...
> > > > > >
> > > > > > What do you think? Do you want this alternative?
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Xuanwo
> > > > > >
> > >
> > > --
> > > Xuanwo
> >
> > --
> > Xuanwo
>
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Re: [DISCUSS] How about hosting discourse as an alternative way for mailing list?
Posted by rb...@rcbowen.com.
On Tue, 2023-12-19 at 19:23 +0800, tison wrote:
> +cc comdev
>
> Maybe you will be intested in this new type communication.
I would encourage you to take this up with Infra. I am certain that
this has come up before, and that Infra has already done some research
into Discourse, not only in terms of hosting it for projects, but for
the Foundation as a whole, and have thoughts about the sustainability
of doing this in individual VMs vs some kind of service provider. I
don't know what their advice will be, but they are definitely the right
folks to ask for that advice.
> Xuanwo <xu...@apache.org> 于2023年12月19日周二 19:15写道：
> >
> > > Discourse will provide us an incoming email address. All email
> > > sent to
> > > this address will become a post in discourse. We need to add this
> > > address into the dev@o.a.o's subcriber list.
> >
> > This is talking about Discourse SaaS which cost about $100 ($50 if
> > we have non-profit discount).
> >
> > If we can request a vm from ASF Infra, we will need:
> >
> > - VM with 4C8G
> > - Postgresql
> > - A SMTP account to send mails
> > - A domain like discuss.opendal.apache.org
> >
> > On Tue, Dec 19, 2023, at 18:55, Xuanwo wrote:
> > > > Does it need any configuration from the mailing list part,
> > > > i.e.,
> > > > involve INFRA setup?
> > >
> > > Discourse will provide us an incoming email address. All email
> > > sent to
> > > this address will become a post in discourse. We need to add this
> > > address into the dev@o.a.o's subcriber list.
> > >
> > > No another setup needed, AFAIK.
> > >
> > > We need some test and demo to make sure everything works as
> > > expected.
> > > At the time of writing, I don't know how to do that.
> > >
> > > On Tue, Dec 19, 2023, at 18:19, tison wrote:
> > > > > called mailing list mode
> > > >
> > > > Does it need any configuration from the mailing list part,
> > > > i.e.,
> > > > involve INFRA setup?
> > > >
> > > > I don't know how this happen but as long as we have a readable
> > > > copy on
> > > > the dev@ mailing list, other integration as view can be OK.
> > > >
> > > > Best,
> > > > tison.
> > > >
> > > > Jun Ouyang <ou...@gmail.com> 于2023年12月19日周二 18:16写道：
> > > > >
> > > > > Hi xuanwo:
> > > > > That’s great! I strongly agree with this change. But I have a
> > > > > concern about
> > > > > markdown support sync to Maillist, It seems will cause more
> > > > > bad experiences
> > > > > for Maillist users.
> > > > >
> > > > > *GPG public key: 4A6D297E6F74638E4D5F8E99152AC7B5F7608B26*
> > > > > *Thanks,*
> > > > > *Jun Ouyang*
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > On Tue, Dec 19, 2023 at 17:36 Xuanwo <xu...@apache.org>
> > > > > wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > > Hi, all opendal community members
> > > > > >
> > > > > > I'm thinking about hosting discourse as an alternative way
> > > > > > for mailing
> > > > > > list.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Discourse has a feature called mailing list mode. After
> > > > > > enabling this
> > > > > > feature, we will sync every post between our mailling list
> > > > > > and discourse.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > - Users can create/reply to posts created in discourse via
> > > > > > email.
> > > > > > - Users can create/reply to posts send by email in
> > > > > > discourse.
> > > > > > - Users can search all posts in discourse.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > By adding this new alternative, I can see the following
> > > > > > benefits:
> > > > > >
> > > > > > - All discussion still happen and archived on mailing list
> > > > > > (here).
> > > > > > - Users like mailing list can still uses mailing list
> > > > > > without any change.
> > > > > > - Users like forums can use discourse instead.
> > > > > > - Users don't need to subscribe the email list first before
> > > > > > asking
> > > > > > questions.
> > > > > > - Markdown support, Full-text search support, better
> > > > > > UI/UX...
> > > > > >
> > > > > > What do you think? Do you want this alternative?
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Xuanwo
> > > > > >
> > >
> > > --
> > > Xuanwo
> >
> > --
> > Xuanwo
>
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