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Posted to dev@lenya.apache.org by Thorsten Scherler <th...@wyona.com> on 2006/04/05 12:02:40 UTC
Re: Improving Forrest/OpenOffice.org integration
Hi all, hi David Eisenberg,
I included David in cc since he is the original author of the
odt-to-xhtml stylesheet and has contributed his work to the ASF. Thanks
again.
El mié, 05-04-2006 a las 09:50 +0100, Ross Gardler escribió:
> Web Maestro Clay wrote:
> > On Apr 2, 2006, at 5:35 AM, Ross Gardler wrote:
> >
> >> Ross Gardler wrote:
> >>
> >>> Web Maestro Clay wrote:
> >>>
> >>>> I've been given the go-ahead to work on Forrest's OpenOffice.org
> >>>> functionality
> >>>
> >>> Excellent!!
> >>>
> >>>> Would it make more sense to 'leave' the OpenOffice.org plugin
> >>>> alone, and focus instead on creating a new OpenDocument plugin,
> >>>> since it doesn't appear to have as many styling issues?
> >>>
> >>> +1 to starting afresh and working on an OpenDocument plugin instead.
> >>
> >>
> >> One other tip. When I did the Resume plugin I used a simple generator
> >> for SXW files [1]. This replaces the rather hacky way of reading the
> >> zipped SXW files in the OOo plugin. I never found the time to make it
> >> work for other OOo formats and put it into the OOo plugin.
> >>
> >> Perhaps your work is the perfect opportunity to do this. It's pretty
> >> simple (as long as you know a little Java) and improves performance
> >> considerably.
> >>
> >> Ross
> >>
> >> [1] http://svn.apache.org/viewcvs.cgi/forrest/trunk/whiteboard/
> >> plugins/org.apache.forrest.plugin.input.Resume/src/java/org/apache/
> >> forrest/generation/
> >
> >
> > I took a look at that, and it looks interesting. However, I think the
> > Lenya OpenDocument module looks like a better route to go (do you agree?).
>
> Never looked at it, but it has received more attention, so it would not
> surprise me if it is a better approach.
I worked on the lenya opendocument module not so long ago. I will be
happy to assist to convert the module to a lenya module *and* forrest
plugin (at the same time) if lenya-devs are happy with that.
>
> > I've checked out this code from Lenya, and will take a look at how I
> > can 'convert' to forrest. My first step will be to essentially search &
> > replace for 'lenya' and replace with 'forrest'.
>
> Lets try not to cut and paste. We are lucky enough to have a couple of
> Lenya devs here, perhaps they can make a suggestion. I'm thinking of a
> Cocoon block that both projects can make use of.
>
> (WARNING: I have not even looked at the Lenya code for this, so I may be
> sending us down a dead end - use your own judgment)
No, Ross you are right, thanks for pointing it out. I am unsure about
the block thing because I never had he time to look closer on that, but
even without to convert it to a block one can pretty fast EXTEND the
module to be used in forrest as plugin as well.
>
> > I'll also try to make
> > it match the Forrest plugin nomenclature and infrastructure as closely
> > as possible (pathnames, and class names, etc.).
>
> If we need to cut and paste then we may as well do this too. However, if
> it is possible for us to build block from the Lenya code base, without
> bringing loads of extra stuff we don't need, that would be better.
>
> > Of course, it's
> > possible I'll do more harm than good, but we'll see how it goes...
>
> Fortune favours the brave, Good luck ;-)
I will try to make some changes and commit them to lenya so that forrest
can use the lenya module directly without copy and paste.
Further I just assigned
http://issues.apache.org/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=39134 to myself and will
incooperate the xsl (now that it is as well Apache 2 license thanks to David Eisenberg,
who changed the license after Renaud Richardet asked for it - *big* thanks to both).
Basicly we need to extract all xsl code into helper stylesheet to reuse
them for lenya (who needs a special trigger element) and forrest (who
needs xdocs). Further lenya and the stylesheet from
http://books.evc-cit.info/odf_utils/odt_to_xhtml.html are converting odt
to xhtml, so we need to convert after this to xdocs.
Clay, you may as well be interested in
http://svn.wyona.com/repos/public/lenya/modules/opendocument/
anonymous:anonymous
Where the xsl is already incooperated since the current one in lenya is
very limited regarding style.
Thanks Clay to try lenya and I am more then glad to point you to
http://svn.apache.org/viewcvs.cgi/lenya/sandbox/doco/
where we started to have lenya and forrest working side by side. So far
me and David Crossley are the only one that have committed so far so do
not expect a big thing yet, but like always help welcome. ;)
BTW Clay since IMO we should do the work over in lenya you may want to
submit your patches regarding the odt module to lenya bugzilla. Then
more lenya devs can help.
TIA
salu2
--
Thorsten Scherler
COO Spain
Wyona Inc. - Open Source Content Management - Apache Lenya
http://www.wyona.com http://lenya.apache.org
thorsten.scherler@wyona.com thorsten@apache.org
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Re: Improving Forrest/OpenOffice.org integration
Posted by Web Maestro Clay <th...@gmail.com>.
On Apr 5, 2006, at 3:02 AM, Thorsten Scherler wrote:
> El mié, 05-04-2006 a las 09:50 +0100, Ross Gardler escribió:
>> Web Maestro Clay wrote:
>>> I took a look at that, and it looks interesting. However, I think
>>> the
>>> Lenya OpenDocument module looks like a better route to go (do
>>> you agree?).
>>
>> Never looked at it, but it has received more attention, so it
>> would not
>> surprise me if it is a better approach.
The primary thing that attracted me to it, was that IIRC, the current
Forrest OOo plugin is not as optimized in its transformation of SXW
documents as some of Cocoon's newer ODT functionality[1]. I don't
have a 'net connection ATM, so I can't 'look', but I believe it
discussed newer serializers for reading files, which I don't believe
are being utilized by the current OOo plugin.
> I worked on the lenya opendocument module not so long ago. I will be
> happy to assist to convert the module to a lenya module *and* forrest
> plugin (at the same time) if lenya-devs are happy with that.
Great news!
>>> I've checked out this code from Lenya, and will take a look at how I
>>> can 'convert' to forrest. My first step will be to essentially
>>> search &
>>> replace for 'lenya' and replace with 'forrest'.
>>
>> Lets try not to cut and paste. We are lucky enough to have a
>> couple of
>> Lenya devs here, perhaps they can make a suggestion. I'm thinking
>> of a
>> Cocoon block that both projects can make use of.
>>
>> (WARNING: I have not even looked at the Lenya code for this, so I
>> may be
>> sending us down a dead end - use your own judgment)
>
> No, Ross you are right, thanks for pointing it out. I am unsure about
> the block thing because I never had he time to look closer on that,
> but
> even without to convert it to a block one can pretty fast EXTEND the
> module to be used in forrest as plugin as well.
Sounds great to me. I'll do what I can to help. One thing that's
never been clear to me, is whether or not .odt correlates just to
OOo's 'Writer' (.sxw) only, or if it's also for Spreadsheets,
Presentation files, etc.
>>> I'll also try to make
>>> it match the Forrest plugin nomenclature and infrastructure as
>>> closely
>>> as possible (pathnames, and class names, etc.).
>>
>> If we need to cut and paste then we may as well do this too.
>> However, if
>> it is possible for us to build block from the Lenya code base,
>> without
>> bringing loads of extra stuff we don't need, that would be better.
I'll wait then.
>>> Of course, it's
>>> possible I'll do more harm than good, but we'll see how it goes...
>>
>> Fortune favours the brave, Good luck ;-)
>
> I will try to make some changes and commit them to lenya so that
> forrest
> can use the lenya module directly without copy and paste.
>
> Further I just assigned
> http://issues.apache.org/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=39134 to myself
> and will
> incooperate the xsl (now that it is as well Apache 2 license thanks
> to David Eisenberg,
> who changed the license after Renaud Richardet asked for it - *big*
> thanks to both).
>
> Basicly we need to extract all xsl code into helper stylesheet to
> reuse
> them for lenya (who needs a special trigger element) and forrest (who
> needs xdocs). Further lenya and the stylesheet from
> http://books.evc-cit.info/odf_utils/odt_to_xhtml.html are
> converting odt
> to xhtml, so we need to convert after this to xdocs.
Let me know what 'I' can to do to help. I already downloaded the
Lenya OpenDocument plugin^H^H^H^H^H Module. I haven't played with
Lenya too much, yet though.
The great thing, is that the client will likely get a content
management system (in addition to a documentation system based on
OpenDocument). One thing the client needs, though--and this may be a
little off-topic--is a self-contained version of the document, which
does not require an internet connection (the build/site/ content I
would get if I ran `forrest`).
> Clay, you may as well be interested in
>
> http://svn.wyona.com/repos/public/lenya/modules/opendocument/
>
> anonymous:anonymous
>
> Where the xsl is already incooperated since the current one in
> lenya is
> very limited regarding style.
>
> Thanks Clay to try lenya and I am more then glad to point you to
> http://svn.apache.org/viewcvs.cgi/lenya/sandbox/doco/
> where we started to have lenya and forrest working side by side. So
> far
> me and David Crossley are the only one that have committed so far
> so do
> not expect a big thing yet, but like always help welcome. ;)
I am eager to contribute what I can. But at present (aside from
joining the Lenya mailing list, and downloading the Lenya
OpenDocument Module, I don't know what to do. I'll study this[2] and
the XSL code for extracting the data stylesheets (see above where I
grabbed [2] from), and see if I get any ideas.
> BTW Clay since IMO we should do the work over in lenya you may want to
> submit your patches regarding the odt module to lenya bugzilla. Then
> more lenya devs can help.
Will do. Grazie mille (thanks a million!) again for your help!
> TIA
>
> salu2
> --
> Thorsten Scherler
> COO Spain
> Wyona Inc. - Open Source Content Management - Apache Lenya
> http://www.wyona.com http://lenya.apache.org
> thorsten.scherler@wyona.com thorsten@apache.org
>
[1]
http://137.207.120.195:8080/cocoon/wampum/repo/OpenOfficeRocks.odt
[2]
http://books.evc-cit.info/odf_utils/odt_to_xhtml.html
Clay Leeds
webmaestro@mac.com
My religion is simple. My religion is kindness.
-- HH Dalai Lama of Tibet
Clay Leeds
the.webmaestro@gmail.com
My religion is simple. My religion is kindness.
-- HH Dalai Lama of Tibet
Re: Improving Forrest/OpenOffice.org integration
Posted by Clay Leeds <we...@mac.com>.
On Apr 5, 2006, at 3:02 AM, Thorsten Scherler wrote:
> El mié, 05-04-2006 a las 09:50 +0100, Ross Gardler escribió:
>> Web Maestro Clay wrote:
>>> I took a look at that, and it looks interesting. However, I think
>>> the
>>> Lenya OpenDocument module looks like a better route to go (do
>>> you agree?).
>>
>> Never looked at it, but it has received more attention, so it
>> would not
>> surprise me if it is a better approach.
The primary thing that attracted me to it, was that IIRC, the current
Forrest OOo plugin is not as optimized in its transformation of SXW
documents as some of Cocoon's newer ODT functionality[1]. I don't
have a 'net connection ATM, so I can't 'look', but I believe it
discussed newer serializers for reading files, which I don't believe
are being utilized by the current OOo plugin.
> I worked on the lenya opendocument module not so long ago. I will be
> happy to assist to convert the module to a lenya module *and* forrest
> plugin (at the same time) if lenya-devs are happy with that.
Great news!
>>> I've checked out this code from Lenya, and will take a look at how I
>>> can 'convert' to forrest. My first step will be to essentially
>>> search &
>>> replace for 'lenya' and replace with 'forrest'.
>>
>> Lets try not to cut and paste. We are lucky enough to have a
>> couple of
>> Lenya devs here, perhaps they can make a suggestion. I'm thinking
>> of a
>> Cocoon block that both projects can make use of.
>>
>> (WARNING: I have not even looked at the Lenya code for this, so I
>> may be
>> sending us down a dead end - use your own judgment)
>
> No, Ross you are right, thanks for pointing it out. I am unsure about
> the block thing because I never had he time to look closer on that,
> but
> even without to convert it to a block one can pretty fast EXTEND the
> module to be used in forrest as plugin as well.
Sounds great to me. I'll do what I can to help. One thing that's
never been clear to me, is whether or not .odt correlates just to
OOo's 'Writer' (.sxw) only, or if it's also for Spreadsheets,
Presentation files, etc.
>>> I'll also try to make
>>> it match the Forrest plugin nomenclature and infrastructure as
>>> closely
>>> as possible (pathnames, and class names, etc.).
>>
>> If we need to cut and paste then we may as well do this too.
>> However, if
>> it is possible for us to build block from the Lenya code base,
>> without
>> bringing loads of extra stuff we don't need, that would be better.
I'll wait then.
>>> Of course, it's
>>> possible I'll do more harm than good, but we'll see how it goes...
>>
>> Fortune favours the brave, Good luck ;-)
>
> I will try to make some changes and commit them to lenya so that
> forrest
> can use the lenya module directly without copy and paste.
>
> Further I just assigned
> http://issues.apache.org/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=39134 to myself
> and will
> incooperate the xsl (now that it is as well Apache 2 license thanks
> to David Eisenberg,
> who changed the license after Renaud Richardet asked for it - *big*
> thanks to both).
>
> Basicly we need to extract all xsl code into helper stylesheet to
> reuse
> them for lenya (who needs a special trigger element) and forrest (who
> needs xdocs). Further lenya and the stylesheet from
> http://books.evc-cit.info/odf_utils/odt_to_xhtml.html are
> converting odt
> to xhtml, so we need to convert after this to xdocs.
Let me know what 'I' can to do to help. I already downloaded the
Lenya OpenDocument plugin^H^H^H^H^H Module. I haven't played with
Lenya too much, yet though.
The great thing, is that the client will likely get a content
management system (in addition to a documentation system based on
OpenDocument). One thing the client needs, though--and this may be a
little off-topic--is a self-contained version of the document, which
does not require an internet connection (the build/site/ content I
would get if I ran `forrest`).
> Clay, you may as well be interested in
>
> http://svn.wyona.com/repos/public/lenya/modules/opendocument/
>
> anonymous:anonymous
>
> Where the xsl is already incooperated since the current one in
> lenya is
> very limited regarding style.
>
> Thanks Clay to try lenya and I am more then glad to point you to
> http://svn.apache.org/viewcvs.cgi/lenya/sandbox/doco/
> where we started to have lenya and forrest working side by side. So
> far
> me and David Crossley are the only one that have committed so far
> so do
> not expect a big thing yet, but like always help welcome. ;)
I am eager to contribute what I can. But at present (aside from
joining the Lenya mailing list, and downloading the Lenya
OpenDocument Module, I don't know what to do. I'll study this[2] and
the XSL code for extracting the data stylesheets (see above where I
grabbed [2] from), and see if I get any ideas.
> BTW Clay since IMO we should do the work over in lenya you may want to
> submit your patches regarding the odt module to lenya bugzilla. Then
> more lenya devs can help.
Will do. Grazie mille (thanks a million!) again for your help!
> TIA
>
> salu2
> --
> Thorsten Scherler
> COO Spain
> Wyona Inc. - Open Source Content Management - Apache Lenya
> http://www.wyona.com http://lenya.apache.org
> thorsten.scherler@wyona.com thorsten@apache.org
>
[1]
http://137.207.120.195:8080/cocoon/wampum/repo/OpenOfficeRocks.odt
[2]
http://books.evc-cit.info/odf_utils/odt_to_xhtml.html
Clay Leeds
webmaestro@mac.com
My religion is simple. My religion is kindness.
-- HH Dalai Lama of Tibet