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[OT] M7 Development tool
The new release (v4) of the M7 has an option to use struts when it is
generating code. I am evaluating it for possible use and wanted to know if
anyone had any experiences with it either positive or negative.
I _know_ I should code like a man and just use a text editor to write my
code; but I'm still looking at it anyway. ;-)
advTHANKSance
Jonathan
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Re: [OT] M7 Development tool
Posted by Sergey Smirnov <si...@exadel.com>.
It is good for M7 that they turn toward Struts. It might be a good
competitor in the future. However, M7 should overcome some their illusions
before they are able to reach the desire destination.
I think they just waste time trying to combine open Struts with their
proprietary technology. It is not a way.
Regards,
Sergey Smirnov
Exadel Struts Studio Architect
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> The new release (v4) of the M7 has an option to use struts when it is
> generating code. I am evaluating it for possible use and wanted to know
if
> anyone had any experiences with it either positive or negative.
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> I _know_ I should code like a man and just use a text editor to write my
> code; but I'm still looking at it anyway. ;-)
>
> advTHANKSance
> Jonathan
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Re: [OT] M7 Development tool
Posted by Daniel Wang <dd...@anomaly.net>.
Err... you don't work for free... why should they? btw, M7 is on the
board of eclipse.
----- Original Message -----
From: "Andrew Hill" <an...@gridnode.com>
To: "Struts Users Mailing List" <st...@jakarta.apache.org>
Sent: Wednesday, September 17, 2003 12:42 PM
Subject: RE: [OT] M7 Development tool
> ouch! Why the smeg does every damn tool have to cost several months
salary?
> Cant see mgmt springing for it then when they can just have us work till 4
> or 5 am every day week atfer week in a row.
> :-(
>
> Oh well. thank God (or IBM at least) for Eclipse and extra thanks to the
> struts team without whose most excellent framework Id be doing
> <OutOfBoundsException> hours a day instead of a mere 18 or so...
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Barry Volpe [mailto:struts@childrencare.com]
> Sent: Thursday, 18 September 2003 03:34
> To: Struts Users Mailing List
> Subject: Re: [OT] M7 Development tool
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> cool but a few thousand dollars!
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Andrew Hill" <an...@gridnode.com>
> To: "Struts Users Mailing List" <st...@jakarta.apache.org>
> Sent: Wednesday, September 17, 2003 12:15 PM
> Subject: RE: [OT] M7 Development tool
>
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> > Thanks :-)
> >
> > <snip>
> > M7 lets you develop web applications in record time by assembling
> > applications visually from existing database schemas, Java components
and
> > web services
> > </snip>
> >
> > Funny how the words "record time" stand out when one is reading them at
> 3:30
> > AM ;->
> > I reckon I'll have to check this out when I get time.
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: jlord@equiplease.com [mailto:jlord@equiplease.com]
> > Sent: Thursday, 18 September 2003 03:11
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> > Subject: RE: [OT] M7 Development tool
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> >
> > Andrew:
> >
> > Sorry about not including the URL http://www.m7.com/
> >
> > It is an IDE with repository, workflow designer and other stuff. Will
> know
> > more after I go through the tutorial. I guess that it could be
considered
> > a CASE tool from what I have seen so far.
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RE: [OT] M7 Development tool
Posted by Mohd Amin Mohd Din <am...@nc.com.my>.
Second that Andrew, here, u'll be lucky enough to get a RM50k a year job
programming. 1USD = RM3.8.
-----Original Message-----
From: Andrew Hill [mailto:andrew.david.hill@gridnode.com]
Sent: Thursday, September 18, 2003 2:40 PM
To: Struts Users Mailing List
Subject: RE: [OT] M7 Development tool
The management is not bad here (actually their damn good compared to
most
places), just not very keen on forking out the dosh unless its
absolutely
necessary. Unfortunately we are a small company and not some cashed up
behemoth than can play at being a sheltered workshop, so while I like to
whinge and moan its not really like theres much choice. If we want to
ship
the product on time and make the sales then the only way is through hard
work and long hours. If we dont then its game over already as some other
company will step up to put in the hard yards and get the deals
instead...
:-(
To be honest Id die of boredom in a 925 job with no stress... ;->
As for that article:
<snip> programmers making $70,000 a year </snip>
70k US? For a programmer? What a joke! Little wonder all those jobs are
going overseas... You could get 3 or 4 of us for that price (and we work
twice the hours (and hence have twice the experience imho)) and probably
a
good 30 skilled programmers in Chennai (who from what Ive heard work
even
longer hours).
-----Original Message-----
From: jlord@equiplease.com [mailto:jlord@equiplease.com]
Sent: Thursday, 18 September 2003 04:04
To: Struts Users Mailing List
Subject: RE: [OT] M7 Development tool
Perhaps you would be interested in reading "Union Now?" by Warren
Keuffel
at http://www.sdmagazine.com/ or read the print version of the October
issue.
Bad Managment makes workers Unionize.
"Andrew Hill"
<andrew.david.hil
l@gridnode.com>
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ouch! Why the smeg does every damn tool have to cost several months
salary?
Cant see mgmt springing for it then when they can just have us work till
4
or 5 am every day week atfer week in a row.
:-(
Oh well. thank God (or IBM at least) for Eclipse and extra thanks to the
struts team without whose most excellent framework Id be doing
<OutOfBoundsException> hours a day instead of a mere 18 or so...
-----Original Message-----
From: Barry Volpe [mailto:struts@childrencare.com]
Sent: Thursday, 18 September 2003 03:34
To: Struts Users Mailing List
Subject: Re: [OT] M7 Development tool
cool but a few thousand dollars!
----- Original Message -----
From: "Andrew Hill" <an...@gridnode.com>
To: "Struts Users Mailing List" <st...@jakarta.apache.org>
Sent: Wednesday, September 17, 2003 12:15 PM
Subject: RE: [OT] M7 Development tool
> Thanks :-)
>
> <snip>
> M7 lets you develop web applications in record time by assembling
> applications visually from existing database schemas, Java components
and
> web services
> </snip>
>
> Funny how the words "record time" stand out when one is reading them
at
3:30
> AM ;->
> I reckon I'll have to check this out when I get time.
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: jlord@equiplease.com [mailto:jlord@equiplease.com]
> Sent: Thursday, 18 September 2003 03:11
> To: Struts Users Mailing List
> Subject: RE: [OT] M7 Development tool
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> Andrew:
>
> Sorry about not including the URL http://www.m7.com/
>
> It is an IDE with repository, workflow designer and other stuff. Will
know
> more after I go through the tutorial. I guess that it could be
considered
> a CASE tool from what I have seen so far.
>
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RE: [OT] M7 Development tool
Posted by Andrew Hill <an...@gridnode.com>.
The management is not bad here (actually their damn good compared to most
places), just not very keen on forking out the dosh unless its absolutely
necessary. Unfortunately we are a small company and not some cashed up
behemoth than can play at being a sheltered workshop, so while I like to
whinge and moan its not really like theres much choice. If we want to ship
the product on time and make the sales then the only way is through hard
work and long hours. If we dont then its game over already as some other
company will step up to put in the hard yards and get the deals instead...
:-(
To be honest Id die of boredom in a 925 job with no stress... ;->
As for that article:
<snip> programmers making $70,000 a year </snip>
70k US? For a programmer? What a joke! Little wonder all those jobs are
going overseas... You could get 3 or 4 of us for that price (and we work
twice the hours (and hence have twice the experience imho)) and probably a
good 30 skilled programmers in Chennai (who from what Ive heard work even
longer hours).
-----Original Message-----
From: jlord@equiplease.com [mailto:jlord@equiplease.com]
Sent: Thursday, 18 September 2003 04:04
To: Struts Users Mailing List
Subject: RE: [OT] M7 Development tool
Perhaps you would be interested in reading "Union Now?" by Warren Keuffel
at http://www.sdmagazine.com/ or read the print version of the October
issue.
Bad Managment makes workers Unionize.
"Andrew Hill"
<andrew.david.hil
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ouch! Why the smeg does every damn tool have to cost several months salary?
Cant see mgmt springing for it then when they can just have us work till 4
or 5 am every day week atfer week in a row.
:-(
Oh well. thank God (or IBM at least) for Eclipse and extra thanks to the
struts team without whose most excellent framework Id be doing
<OutOfBoundsException> hours a day instead of a mere 18 or so...
-----Original Message-----
From: Barry Volpe [mailto:struts@childrencare.com]
Sent: Thursday, 18 September 2003 03:34
To: Struts Users Mailing List
Subject: Re: [OT] M7 Development tool
cool but a few thousand dollars!
----- Original Message -----
From: "Andrew Hill" <an...@gridnode.com>
To: "Struts Users Mailing List" <st...@jakarta.apache.org>
Sent: Wednesday, September 17, 2003 12:15 PM
Subject: RE: [OT] M7 Development tool
> Thanks :-)
>
> <snip>
> M7 lets you develop web applications in record time by assembling
> applications visually from existing database schemas, Java components and
> web services
> </snip>
>
> Funny how the words "record time" stand out when one is reading them at
3:30
> AM ;->
> I reckon I'll have to check this out when I get time.
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: jlord@equiplease.com [mailto:jlord@equiplease.com]
> Sent: Thursday, 18 September 2003 03:11
> To: Struts Users Mailing List
> Subject: RE: [OT] M7 Development tool
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> Andrew:
>
> Sorry about not including the URL http://www.m7.com/
>
> It is an IDE with repository, workflow designer and other stuff. Will
know
> more after I go through the tutorial. I guess that it could be
considered
> a CASE tool from what I have seen so far.
>
>
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RE: [OT] M7 Development tool
Posted by jl...@equiplease.com.
Perhaps you would be interested in reading "Union Now?" by Warren Keuffel
at http://www.sdmagazine.com/ or read the print version of the October
issue.
Bad Managment makes workers Unionize.
"Andrew Hill"
<andrew.david.hil
l@gridnode.com> To
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09/17/03 02:42 PM <st...@jakarta.apache.org>
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ouch! Why the smeg does every damn tool have to cost several months salary?
Cant see mgmt springing for it then when they can just have us work till 4
or 5 am every day week atfer week in a row.
:-(
Oh well. thank God (or IBM at least) for Eclipse and extra thanks to the
struts team without whose most excellent framework Id be doing
<OutOfBoundsException> hours a day instead of a mere 18 or so...
-----Original Message-----
From: Barry Volpe [mailto:struts@childrencare.com]
Sent: Thursday, 18 September 2003 03:34
To: Struts Users Mailing List
Subject: Re: [OT] M7 Development tool
cool but a few thousand dollars!
----- Original Message -----
From: "Andrew Hill" <an...@gridnode.com>
To: "Struts Users Mailing List" <st...@jakarta.apache.org>
Sent: Wednesday, September 17, 2003 12:15 PM
Subject: RE: [OT] M7 Development tool
> Thanks :-)
>
> <snip>
> M7 lets you develop web applications in record time by assembling
> applications visually from existing database schemas, Java components and
> web services
> </snip>
>
> Funny how the words "record time" stand out when one is reading them at
3:30
> AM ;->
> I reckon I'll have to check this out when I get time.
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: jlord@equiplease.com [mailto:jlord@equiplease.com]
> Sent: Thursday, 18 September 2003 03:11
> To: Struts Users Mailing List
> Subject: RE: [OT] M7 Development tool
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> Andrew:
>
> Sorry about not including the URL http://www.m7.com/
>
> It is an IDE with repository, workflow designer and other stuff. Will
know
> more after I go through the tutorial. I guess that it could be
considered
> a CASE tool from what I have seen so far.
>
>
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RE: [OT] M7 Development tool
Posted by Andrew Hill <an...@gridnode.com>.
ouch! Why the smeg does every damn tool have to cost several months salary?
Cant see mgmt springing for it then when they can just have us work till 4
or 5 am every day week atfer week in a row.
:-(
Oh well. thank God (or IBM at least) for Eclipse and extra thanks to the
struts team without whose most excellent framework Id be doing
<OutOfBoundsException> hours a day instead of a mere 18 or so...
-----Original Message-----
From: Barry Volpe [mailto:struts@childrencare.com]
Sent: Thursday, 18 September 2003 03:34
To: Struts Users Mailing List
Subject: Re: [OT] M7 Development tool
cool but a few thousand dollars!
----- Original Message -----
From: "Andrew Hill" <an...@gridnode.com>
To: "Struts Users Mailing List" <st...@jakarta.apache.org>
Sent: Wednesday, September 17, 2003 12:15 PM
Subject: RE: [OT] M7 Development tool
> Thanks :-)
>
> <snip>
> M7 lets you develop web applications in record time by assembling
> applications visually from existing database schemas, Java components and
> web services
> </snip>
>
> Funny how the words "record time" stand out when one is reading them at
3:30
> AM ;->
> I reckon I'll have to check this out when I get time.
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: jlord@equiplease.com [mailto:jlord@equiplease.com]
> Sent: Thursday, 18 September 2003 03:11
> To: Struts Users Mailing List
> Subject: RE: [OT] M7 Development tool
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> Andrew:
>
> Sorry about not including the URL http://www.m7.com/
>
> It is an IDE with repository, workflow designer and other stuff. Will
know
> more after I go through the tutorial. I guess that it could be considered
> a CASE tool from what I have seen so far.
>
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Re: [OT] M7 Development tool
Posted by Barry Volpe <st...@childrencare.com>.
cool but a few thousand dollars!
----- Original Message -----
From: "Andrew Hill" <an...@gridnode.com>
To: "Struts Users Mailing List" <st...@jakarta.apache.org>
Sent: Wednesday, September 17, 2003 12:15 PM
Subject: RE: [OT] M7 Development tool
> Thanks :-)
>
> <snip>
> M7 lets you develop web applications in record time by assembling
> applications visually from existing database schemas, Java components and
> web services
> </snip>
>
> Funny how the words "record time" stand out when one is reading them at
3:30
> AM ;->
> I reckon I'll have to check this out when I get time.
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: jlord@equiplease.com [mailto:jlord@equiplease.com]
> Sent: Thursday, 18 September 2003 03:11
> To: Struts Users Mailing List
> Subject: RE: [OT] M7 Development tool
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> Andrew:
>
> Sorry about not including the URL http://www.m7.com/
>
> It is an IDE with repository, workflow designer and other stuff. Will
know
> more after I go through the tutorial. I guess that it could be considered
> a CASE tool from what I have seen so far.
>
>
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RE: [OT] M7 Development tool
Posted by Andrew Hill <an...@gridnode.com>.
Thanks :-)
<snip>
M7 lets you develop web applications in record time by assembling
applications visually from existing database schemas, Java components and
web services
</snip>
Funny how the words "record time" stand out when one is reading them at 3:30
AM ;->
I reckon I'll have to check this out when I get time.
-----Original Message-----
From: jlord@equiplease.com [mailto:jlord@equiplease.com]
Sent: Thursday, 18 September 2003 03:11
To: Struts Users Mailing List
Subject: RE: [OT] M7 Development tool
Andrew:
Sorry about not including the URL http://www.m7.com/
It is an IDE with repository, workflow designer and other stuff. Will know
more after I go through the tutorial. I guess that it could be considered
a CASE tool from what I have seen so far.
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RE: [OT] M7 Development tool
Posted by jl...@equiplease.com.
Andrew:
Sorry about not including the URL http://www.m7.com/
It is an IDE with repository, workflow designer and other stuff. Will know
more after I go through the tutorial. I guess that it could be considered
a CASE tool from what I have seen so far.
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RE: [OT] M7 Development tool
Posted by Andrew Hill <an...@gridnode.com>.
<snip>
I _know_ I should code like a man and just use a text editor to write my
code; but I'm still looking at it anyway. ;-)
</snip>
Well so long as your just looking ;-)
What is this M7 thing anyway? Got a link?
-----Original Message-----
From: jlord@equiplease.com [mailto:jlord@equiplease.com]
Sent: Thursday, 18 September 2003 02:31
To: struts-user@jakarta.apache.org
Subject: [OT] M7 Development tool
The new release (v4) of the M7 has an option to use struts when it is
generating code. I am evaluating it for possible use and wanted to know if
anyone had any experiences with it either positive or negative.
I _know_ I should code like a man and just use a text editor to write my
code; but I'm still looking at it anyway. ;-)
advTHANKSance
Jonathan
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