Re: New click user --> congratulations to the Apache Click Team

[Stéphane NICOLAS <st...@gmail.com>]

Hello All,

my name is Stephane. I've been a java programmer for 12 years now. I never
liked web programming as I found web frameworks mostly bloated and
encumbered by html-stateless/server stuff (I tested tapestry and struts). So
I just stopped learning web programming 5 years ago and thought I would let
things evolve and come back to the web when programming would be easier,
more object oriented, more intellectually attractive indeed. I mostly
considered web programming as a step backward in UI programming, mainly due
to technologies that were never intended to do what we now want them to
do...

And last 3 weeks I spent quite a lot of time testing the Apache click
framework. I discovered that people from Apache click addressed mostly all
my concerns and
found that Apache click is a wonderful component oriented web framework. In
the last 3 weeks I could learn click and build a pretty complicated
application (people, activities, participation, management application).

So I just write my first email to this mailing list to say you how I love
your work,
I appreciate tremendously your efforts. It did change the way I understand
web programming and I know love that.
(and also love JPA, almost for the same reasons, but that's another topic).

So thank you all for your great great work.     Click is just smashing.

I hope to provide you with more feed back on a couple of stuff during the
next weeks or so.
Can I suggest new components or feature enhancements here ?

Stéphane

Re: New click user --> congratulations to the Apache Click Team

[easydoor <ch...@valdoise.fr>]

Hi Stéphane,

I agree with you !
Apache Click is a great, robust, efficient and simple framework !
I'm waiting the next release with AJAX functions !
Are you french ?

Re: New click user --> congratulations to the Apache Click Team

[Bob Schellink <sa...@gmail.com>]

Hi Stephane and welcome,


On 5/11/2010 19:53, Stéphane NICOLAS wrote:
> Hello All,
> 
> my name is Stephane. I've been a java programmer for 12 years now. I never liked web programming as
> I found web frameworks mostly bloated and encumbered by html-stateless/server stuff (I tested
> tapestry and struts). So I just stopped learning web programming 5 years ago and thought I would let
> things evolve and come back to the web when programming would be easier,

One of the great things that happened is Firefox and Firebug. For me those two tools had a massive
impact on the way I do web programming. Together with the JS libraries (jQuery, Prototype, MooTools
etc) it propelled web programming so far forward that today I'd rather do web programming than Flex,
Swing or pretty much any stateful GUI toolkit.  Off course IE6-7 is still there to spoil the party
and ensure we work hard for our money :).

The stateless nature of HTTP also guarantees loose coupling, and makes systems conceptually quite
easy to understand. On the flip side the statelessness also makes it very hard (impossible?) to
write very sophisticated (desktop like) UIs. I am wondering though if HTML5 and modern JS engines
are going to change all that. Time will tell.

Kind regards

Bob


 more object oriented, more
> intellectually attractive indeed. I mostly considered web programming as a step backward in UI
> programming, mainly due to technologies that were never intended to do what we now want them to do...
> 
> And last 3 weeks I spent quite a lot of time testing the Apache click framework. I discovered that
> people from Apache click addressed mostly all my concerns and
> found that Apache click is a wonderful component oriented web framework. In the last 3 weeks I could
> learn click and build a pretty complicated application (people, activities, participation,
> management application).
> 
> So I just write my first email to this mailing list to say you how I love your work,
> I appreciate tremendously your efforts. It did change the way I understand web programming and I
> know love that.
> (and also love JPA, almost for the same reasons, but that's another topic).
> 
> So thank you all for your great great work.     Click is just smashing.
> 
> I hope to provide you with more feed back on a couple of stuff during the next weeks or so.
> Can I suggest new components or feature enhancements here ?
> 
> Stéphane

Re: New click user --> congratulations to the Apache Click Team

[Malcolm Edgar <ma...@gmail.com>]

Hi Stephane,

thanks for the feedback. Its always appreciated, even negative feedback is
useful. If you like JPA and Click please get the Click book as it has JPA
examples (http://www.fdaoud.com/clickbook/).

This is the perfect spot of more feed back or enhancements. Its often best
discussing these on the dev list before raising a JIRA item, as people can
discuss it.

regards Malcolm Edgar

On Fri, Nov 5, 2010 at 7:53 PM, Stéphane NICOLAS <st...@gmail.com>wrote:

> Hello All,
>
> my name is Stephane. I've been a java programmer for 12 years now. I never
> liked web programming as I found web frameworks mostly bloated and
> encumbered by html-stateless/server stuff (I tested tapestry and struts). So
> I just stopped learning web programming 5 years ago and thought I would let
> things evolve and come back to the web when programming would be easier,
> more object oriented, more intellectually attractive indeed. I mostly
> considered web programming as a step backward in UI programming, mainly due
> to technologies that were never intended to do what we now want them to
> do...
>
> And last 3 weeks I spent quite a lot of time testing the Apache click
> framework. I discovered that people from Apache click addressed mostly all
> my concerns and
> found that Apache click is a wonderful component oriented web framework. In
> the last 3 weeks I could learn click and build a pretty complicated
> application (people, activities, participation, management application).
>
> So I just write my first email to this mailing list to say you how I love
> your work,
> I appreciate tremendously your efforts. It did change the way I understand
> web programming and I know love that.
> (and also love JPA, almost for the same reasons, but that's another topic).
>
> So thank you all for your great great work.     Click is just smashing.
>
> I hope to provide you with more feed back on a couple of stuff during the
> next weeks or so.
> Can I suggest new components or feature enhancements here ?
>
> Stéphane
>