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Posted to dev@ofbiz.apache.org by Si Chen <si...@opensourcestrategies.com> on 2007/10/10 01:02:22 UTC
We're Hiring!
Hey everybody -
Just wanted to remind everybody on this list that we're still looking
for more developers with some familiarity with OFBiz. We have paid
positions for developers to work on both client projects and the
development of the opentaps Open Source ERP + CRM system and ofbiz.
Some of the things which you'll be working on include:
- Extending business intelligence in opentaps
- Upgrading our user interfaces
- Building out our applications
- Building a comprehensive set of tests and testing procedures
You can work at your own schedule, either full-time and part-time, and
from anywhere you want. If this is something you're interested in,
please send me an email off the list.
Thanks!
Si Chen
RE: We're Hiring!
Posted by "skip@theDevers" <sk...@thedevers.org>.
Phanindra
You'll probably have more luck using the email address for
opensourcestrategies.
-----Original Message-----
From: G.Venkata Phanindra [mailto:phani1983@gmail.com]
Sent: Tuesday, October 16, 2007 11:58 PM
To: user@ofbiz.apache.org; sichen@opensourcestrategies.com
Subject: Re: We're Hiring!
Hi
I am looking forward to grab your opportunity please find the attached
resume.
Regards,
Phanindra.
On 10/10/07, Si Chen < sichen@opensourcestrategies.com> wrote:
Hey everybody -
Just wanted to remind everybody on this list that we're still looking
for more developers with some familiarity with OFBiz. We have paid
positions for developers to work on both client projects and the
development of the opentaps Open Source ERP + CRM system and ofbiz.
Some of the things which you'll be working on include:
- Extending business intelligence in opentaps
- Upgrading our user interfaces
- Building out our applications
- Building a comprehensive set of tests and testing procedures
You can work at your own schedule, either full-time and part-time, and
from anywhere you want. If this is something you're interested in,
please send me an email off the list.
Thanks!
Si Chen
--
G.Venkata Phanindra
Mob:: 9849852989
Re: We're Hiring!
Posted by "G.Venkata Phanindra" <ph...@gmail.com>.
Hi
I am looking forward to grab your opportunity please find the attached
resume.
Regards,
Phanindra.
On 10/10/07, Si Chen <si...@opensourcestrategies.com> wrote:
>
> Hey everybody -
>
> Just wanted to remind everybody on this list that we're still looking
> for more developers with some familiarity with OFBiz. We have paid
> positions for developers to work on both client projects and the
> development of the opentaps Open Source ERP + CRM system and ofbiz.
> Some of the things which you'll be working on include:
>
> - Extending business intelligence in opentaps
> - Upgrading our user interfaces
> - Building out our applications
> - Building a comprehensive set of tests and testing procedures
>
> You can work at your own schedule, either full-time and part-time, and
> from anywhere you want. If this is something you're interested in,
> please send me an email off the list.
>
> Thanks!
>
> Si Chen
>
--
G.Venkata Phanindra
Mob:: 9849852989
Re: OFBiz Macro Level Project Structure
Posted by Shi Jinghai <sh...@langhua.cn>.
> are well developing. I think perhaps the PDM(such as ptc's winchill) may
type error: winchill should be windchill.
Re: OFBiz Macro Level Project Structure
Posted by Shi Jinghai <sh...@langhua.cn>.
Hi David,
That's great!
As we had offered some consulting services to MFG.com on its website
rebuilding, we had a chance to see the vertical manufacturing markets
are well developing. I think perhaps the PDM(such as ptc's winchill) may
also have a good chance to be popular. Is there any choice now or in
near future to put it togather with OFBiz?
Regards,
Shi Jinghai/Beijing Langhua Ltd.
> We have discussed creating separate projects for these sorts of
> things, but we just don't have enough management bandwidth with the
> current volunteers to handle the overhead of creating all of these
> different projects with different infrastructure and such.
>
> Sooner or later we'll definitely get there and probably even split
> out the framework and applications as separate projects. Actually
> right now we have the directory tree structured to prepare for this,
> and there would be a sub-project for each of the following:
>
> - ofbiz/framework (along with ofbiz/runtime)
> - ofbiz/applications
> - each directory under: ofbiz/specialpurpose
>
> Right now we are maintaining strict one-way dependencies between
> these. In other words the framework can run without applications, and
> the framework and applications are totally independent of any of the
> specialpurpose applications.
>
> -David
>
OFBiz Macro Level Project Structure (was Re: We're Hiring!)
Posted by David E Jones <jo...@hotwaxmedia.com>.
On Oct 12, 2007, at 11:24 AM, Shi Jinghai wrote:
> BTW, as OFBiz has been TLP of Apache, could you start to select
> some sub
> projects in OFBiz? Such as OFBiz CRM, OFBiz-CMS bridge, OFBiz-SSO and
> etc.
>
> I think it's time to plant some seeds in OFBiz garden and encourage
> them
> to grow, do you?
We have discussed creating separate projects for these sorts of
things, but we just don't have enough management bandwidth with the
current volunteers to handle the overhead of creating all of these
different projects with different infrastructure and such.
Sooner or later we'll definitely get there and probably even split
out the framework and applications as separate projects. Actually
right now we have the directory tree structured to prepare for this,
and there would be a sub-project for each of the following:
- ofbiz/framework (along with ofbiz/runtime)
- ofbiz/applications
- each directory under: ofbiz/specialpurpose
Right now we are maintaining strict one-way dependencies between
these. In other words the framework can run without applications, and
the framework and applications are totally independent of any of the
specialpurpose applications.
-David
Re: We're Hiring!
Posted by guo weizhan <gu...@gmail.com>.
*the more you love, the more severelly you criticize (in Chinese, 爱之深, 责之切).
*
Shi, that's greate,
I think ofbiz pubilc under the Apache license, It's ok the others republic
with they effort under any license they want which not conflicts with the
apache license. As a company they must make profile form what they done, so
they chose the license can fit their operating model, it's ok.
And with the company can get the profile from the Ofbiz, I think they will
return their work back in convenient time.
BTW, the more company adopt the Ofbiz the more people will became know
about Ofbiz, and will make more person to join in and contribute.
2007/10/12, Shi Jinghai <sh...@langhua.cn>:
>
> Hi David,
>
> I can understand your feeling, the more you love, the more severelly you
> criticize (in Chinese, 爱之深, 责之切). And I agree with you.
>
> > Not to say there is anything wrong or bad with what Open Source
> > Strategies is doing (it's great to have their participation in
> > OFBiz!), but just pointing this out so that those listening in
> > realize there are other equally valid alternatives.
> BTW, as OFBiz has been TLP of Apache, could you start to select some sub
> projects in OFBiz? Such as OFBiz CRM, OFBiz-CMS bridge, OFBiz-SSO and
> etc.
>
> I think it's time to plant some seeds in OFBiz garden and encourage them
> to grow, do you?
>
> Regards,
>
> Shi Jinghai/Beijing Langhua Ltd.
>
>
>
Re: We're Hiring!
Posted by Shi Jinghai <sh...@langhua.cn>.
Hi David,
I can understand your feeling, the more you love, the more severelly you
criticize (in Chinese, 爱之深, 责之切). And I agree with you.
> Not to say there is anything wrong or bad with what Open Source
> Strategies is doing (it's great to have their participation in
> OFBiz!), but just pointing this out so that those listening in
> realize there are other equally valid alternatives.
BTW, as OFBiz has been TLP of Apache, could you start to select some sub
projects in OFBiz? Such as OFBiz CRM, OFBiz-CMS bridge, OFBiz-SSO and
etc.
I think it's time to plant some seeds in OFBiz garden and encourage them
to grow, do you?
Regards,
Shi Jinghai/Beijing Langhua Ltd.
Re: We're Hiring!
Posted by David E Jones <jo...@hotwaxmedia.com>.
On Oct 12, 2007, at 10:12 AM, skip@theDevers wrote:
> David
>
> This is the second refence to the HPL in the last few days where
> you have
> expressed your unhappiness with it. I have read it through several
> times
> and can find nothing onerous in it (unlike the no commercial use
> clauses in
> some).
>
> While I find the Apache license ideal, I myself get rather
> aggrevated when
> people use this Apache Licensed software for their commercial
> enterprises
> and never contribute anything back. I consider them to be parasites.
>
> Anyway, can you describe specifically what you are not comfortable
> with in
> case I have missed some lawyer stuff?
Chris Howe described this fairly well. To add to what he said related
to the onerous nature of the HPL:
1. it is not an OSI (opensource.org) approved license, for many that
means it is NOT "open source"
2. in addition to the copy-left annoyance that Chris described and
that is well known because of the GPL licenses, the HPL very clearly
adds on a constraint that software made available over the internet
IS making it available publicly (which is unclear, and often argued
against for the GPL); that means that if you write ecommerce software
based on HPL licensed stuff, you have to release even your templates
and everything under HPL; also to make this more fun it is common
that configuration files and seed and other data files are also HPL
licensed, which means technically you HAVE TO release you
configuration changes under the HPL (or buy a commercial license to
avoid it all...), and that can include account names and passwords
and encryption keys and all sorts of other things that are not just
trade secrets but security holes
In other words, it's a mess, and I think only those who have not
really though through the implications for the business software
industry would think of it as okay and low risk to use.
So yeah, that's why I don't like GPL or anything like it (especially
not HPL) for an open source project like OFBiz. The only reason most
groups want to use it is because they are companies and not
communities, and they want to market as open source but still have a
software licensing revenue. For OFBiz I have always wanted it to be a
community-driven project, and being in the ASF now really helps us
all do the more successfully.
-David
Re: We're Hiring!
Posted by BJ Freeman <bj...@free-man.net>.
I will share what little I know for past discussions
i am sure David will respond with his own.
if a person is working for a company they would have to share the code.
most companies consider it intellectual property they paid for and do
not want to share it.
so a project that is has a license that says any code used commercially
must be put back in the project would stifle the project.
This is fine for developers like you and I that don't mind contributing.
but even some developers want to guarantee that their work have some
reward other than just sharing their work.
skip@theDevers sent the following on 10/12/2007 9:12 AM:
> David
>
> This is the second refence to the HPL in the last few days where you have
> expressed your unhappiness with it. I have read it through several times
> and can find nothing onerous in it (unlike the no commercial use clauses in
> some).
>
> While I find the Apache license ideal, I myself get rather aggrevated when
> people use this Apache Licensed software for their commercial enterprises
> and never contribute anything back. I consider them to be parasites.
>
> Anyway, can you describe specifically what you are not comfortable with in
> case I have missed some lawyer stuff?
>
> Skip
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
RE: We're Hiring!
Posted by "skip@theDevers" <sk...@thedevers.org>.
David
This is the second refence to the HPL in the last few days where you have
expressed your unhappiness with it. I have read it through several times
and can find nothing onerous in it (unlike the no commercial use clauses in
some).
While I find the Apache license ideal, I myself get rather aggrevated when
people use this Apache Licensed software for their commercial enterprises
and never contribute anything back. I consider them to be parasites.
Anyway, can you describe specifically what you are not comfortable with in
case I have missed some lawyer stuff?
Skip
Re: We're Hiring!
Posted by David E Jones <jo...@hotwaxmedia.com>.
On Oct 9, 2007, at 5:02 PM, Si Chen wrote:
> Hey everybody -
>
> Just wanted to remind everybody on this list that we're still
> looking for more developers with some familiarity with OFBiz. We
> have paid positions for developers to work on both client projects
> and the development of the opentaps Open Source ERP + CRM system
> and ofbiz. Some of the things which you'll be working on include:
>
> - Extending business intelligence in opentaps
> - Upgrading our user interfaces
> - Building out our applications
> - Building a comprehensive set of tests and testing procedures
>
> You can work at your own schedule, either full-time and part-time,
> and from anywhere you want. If this is something you're interested
> in, please send me an email off the list.
>
> Thanks!
>
> Si Chen
... or work at Hotwax Media or any of various other companies that
will pay you to do the same foundational and generic work in the
Apache 2 licensed OFBiz instead of the HPL licensed opentaps. Not
only will your work have visibility in a larger community, but you
can use your work in your next job without encumberances, even if
that next job is your own company where you want to create build
solutions, even commercial ones, based on OFBiz.
Not to say there is anything wrong or bad with what Open Source
Strategies is doing (it's great to have their participation in
OFBiz!), but just pointing this out so that those listening in
realize there are other equally valid alternatives.
-David
Re: We're Hiring!
Posted by David E Jones <jo...@hotwaxmedia.com>.
On Oct 9, 2007, at 5:02 PM, Si Chen wrote:
> Hey everybody -
>
> Just wanted to remind everybody on this list that we're still
> looking for more developers with some familiarity with OFBiz. We
> have paid positions for developers to work on both client projects
> and the development of the opentaps Open Source ERP + CRM system
> and ofbiz. Some of the things which you'll be working on include:
>
> - Extending business intelligence in opentaps
> - Upgrading our user interfaces
> - Building out our applications
> - Building a comprehensive set of tests and testing procedures
>
> You can work at your own schedule, either full-time and part-time,
> and from anywhere you want. If this is something you're interested
> in, please send me an email off the list.
>
> Thanks!
>
> Si Chen
... or work at Hotwax Media or any of various other companies that
will pay you to do the same foundational and generic work in the
Apache 2 licensed OFBiz instead of the HPL licensed opentaps. Not
only will your work have visibility in a larger community, but you
can use your work in your next job without encumberances, even if
that next job is your own company where you want to create build
solutions, even commercial ones, based on OFBiz.
Not to say there is anything wrong or bad with what Open Source
Strategies is doing (it's great to have their participation in
OFBiz!), but just pointing this out so that those listening in
realize there are other equally valid alternatives.
-David