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[GT2005] Cocoon GT Talks!
Hi everyone,
This is the list of proposed talks for the upcoming CocoonGT, ordered by
date received. 14 in total, and there's only place for 8! I'd like to put the
program online by friday afternoon, to make sure people have enough
time to sign up for the event.
Could everyone who feels the need to do so please state his opinion!?
I don't know what would be the smartest way of doing this...
But any feedback would be very well appreciated!
Also see my notes below..
Thanks and hope to see you all in october,
Arjé
------------ PROPOSALS --------------
01 - Torsten Schlabach:
"All about URIs or: Find your sources
(protocols from file:// to jcr:// and beyond)"
Any Cocoon pipeline starts with a generator that is getting stuff from
somehere that will be augmented and eventually rendered further down the
road. The underlying Avalon framework in Cocoon allows the use of a
number of pseudo-protocols to define from where a Geneator (or also a
transformer) should read its byte input stream.
In the first place, proper use of these protocols can make sitemaps much
more readable and provides abstraction from specific installation
deteails such as file system paths. But there are also protocols that
allow Cocoon to directly access content from basically anwhere and not
just the filesystem.
02 - Carsten Ziegeler
"Past, Present and Future of the Cocoon Portal"
This talk gives an overview of the Cocoon portal solution. The portal is
based on Apache Cocoon to benefit from the advantages of Cocoon when it
comes to integrating different data sources and providing the
information to different devices in different formats. This session
introduces the basic concepts behind the portal and how to build a
portal application. Learn how the portal changed through time and what
the future might bring.
03 - Torsten Curdt
"Rapid application development with cocoon - javaflow and the
compiling class loader"
The session would be probably be more for a slightly advanced
audience. I could talk about how to use the auto-reloading and
javaflow with its current limitations.
04 - Andrew Savory
"Simplifying Cocoon"
New frameworks such as Ruby on Rails are teaching the old dogs some
new tricks. With the maxims of "write less code", "don't repeat
yourself" and "convention over configuration", programming has become
fun again. What can the Cocoon framework learn from this?
Consider the lilies: most Java/XML developers fight with
configuration and project building tools, and while they do XML
situps, our Rails colleagues utter nice Zen-like 'umms' as their
framework gently guesses at their thoughts.
This session will point out the ways in which we can learn from our
competitors and make life easier for our users. It will also
introduce Racoon: all the fun of Rails, on Cocoon.
05 - Daniel Fagerström
"Cocoon Blocks"
The Cocoon community is working hard on the next generation of Cocoon.
The most important improvement is that most of the functionality will be
packaged in so called blocks. The blocks architecture is built on the
application framework OSGi, which also is used as the basis for the
plugin architecture in Eclipse 3. A block can contain libraries and
resources. At a higher level, blocks can contain reusable components. It
will be possible to choose what component framework to use for each
block, so that one block can contain e.g. Spring managed components and
another Pico managed ones, that can cooperate seamlessly. What is maybe
most exciting is that a block can contain a whole extensible web
application. This will lead to a new level of application reuse. An
application can be built by extending an application block and by just
overriding the resources that needs to be modified. This is analogous to
extension in object oriented languages. The blocks based Cocoon will put
an end of todays huge download, you just download a small Cocoon core
and use a deployment tool to download, configure and install the blocks
that your application happens to need. In the talk the new architecture
will be described and examples will be given on how applications can be
devloped with the new tools.
06 - Sylvain Wallez
"Something about AJAX"
([AC] Sylvain hasn't completed his proposal, yet. But here are some
promising quotes:)
"I may help by talking about some of my favorite subjects. One that comes
to mind is Ajax in Cocoon."
"Actually, this may force me to actually implement some things I have in
mind, the main one being replacing the current client-side JS I wrote to
handle Ajax request by Prototype and Scriptaculous, the JS library
used in Ruby on Rails. Even more fun!"
07 - Bertrand Delacretaz
"Cocoon Bricks: best practices by example"
The "Cocoon Bricks" example application demonstrates all the essential
aspects of a typical Cocoon-based web application: java components
management at the application level, database access using
object-relational mappings, and of course the Power Trio: Pipelines,
Flowscript and Cocoon Forms, all tied together in a consistent whole.
The application, which will be available online in source form,
contains a minimal amount of code, structured and written to be easy to
understand. External libraries include Hivemind for component
management, OJB for database access and Derby as the database, all
easily replaceable with equivalents if desired.
We will study code snippets of all the important parts, from the build
system to the component interactions and final application stages.
This talk is open to Cocoon beginners, although a basic understanding
of the main Cocoon concepts (sitemaps, flowscript, pipelines, as
presented in the Supersonic Tour) will help in getting the most from
it.
08 - Alfred Nathaniel
"XSP Tips and Traps"
Although XSP is no longer considered a core technology by the Cocoon
avantgarde, it is still a powerful tool for generating dynamic webpages.
Its stability, robustness, and similarity to the well-known ASP/JSP
concepts makes it a good fit for moving an established team from
another framework to Cocoon.
The talk draws from three years of XSP experience and wants to warn of
common pitfalls and point to less known details of XSP and logicsheet
processing. Knowledge of Java, XSLT, and Cocoon pipelines are assumed.
09 - Andrew Savory / Massimo Sonego
"What we get up to with Cocoon"
I've been talking with Massimo at Otego about a talk we were
considering doing together, but we're wondering if it might fit a
"lightning talks" session rather than a full-size session. Are there
any plans to do shorter talks?
We were thinking it might be fun to do some quick "what we get up to
with Cocoon" examples, more from a newbie/business user perspective
than a techie perspective, and I'm sure a few others would be able to
join in, too.
10 - Michael Wechner
"What Daisy, Hippo and Lenya can learn from each other!"
Instead of doing a shootout, let's discuss and focuse on
where the various Cocoon based CMS can learn from each other
and maybe even collaborate ...
PROPOSED SPEAKERS:
Steven Noels (haven't asked him yet ;-)
Arje Cahn (haven't asked him yet ;-)
Michael Wechner (he won't be on vacation this year ;-)
11 - Max Pfingsthorn
"CForms libraries: How Cocoon forms libraries make your life easier"
([AC] Max hasn't finished his proposal yet, since he's buried himself
in GSOC code, but he'd like to do a short talk on what he did, possibly
combined with Sylvain's AJAX talk)
12 - Lars Huttar
"Sitemap Browser: Using Cocoon to Explore Cocoon Sitemaps"
A simple Cocoon sitemap can be clean and elegant. But
as pipelines aggregate calls to other pipelines, and the number of
pipelines increases, a sitemap can become difficult to follow. Sitemap
Browser (SB) addresses this problem by visualizing a sitemap as an HTML
document, displaying each pipeline next to the pipeline(s) it calls, and
by hyperlinking related pipelines to each other for easy navigation. SB
works to some degree on unmodified sitemaps but works better if you add
sb:* markup to help handle the harder cases. SB can also be a convenient
aid in unit testing, as a framework for linking to a sample invocation
of each pipeline.
13 - Jack Ivers / Joh Berry / Scott Roth / Vadim Gritsenko
"Performance / XSLT processors running with Cocoon"
The folks here at Agile (Jack Ivers, Joh Berry, Scott Roth,
Vadim Gritsenko) did a fairly in-depth analysis of XSLT processors running
with Cocoon, looking at performance and memory consumption. Not
completely scientific but we generated more information than we have been
able to find elsewhere. We specifically looked at Xalan and Saxon, had
Gregor but never completed testing with it. Anyway, if there was strong
interest in this getting presented, we are willing to polish up our work
and also try to get a Gregor test in.
14 - Nico Verwer
"Performance / A case with very big XML documents (100's of megs)"
------------ /PROPOSALS --------------
I was thinking of combining Sylvain's Ajax talk (30 mins) with Max' CForms libraries talk (15 mins). This would then be a kind of a "what's new in CForms" presentation (that's what Sylvain and I discussed).
Also, I was hoping to combine talk 13 (XSLT performance) and 14 (big documents) combined with possibly a third performance talk from Pier into a "Performance track: hints, tips and guidelines!"
I'm a little bit in a hurry because I want to give people the opportunity to see what the program will be when they start signing up for the event. However, he list above should make clear that whatever 8 options we choose, it will be worth travelling to Amsterdam anyway! ;-P
----
Thanks
Arjé Cahn
Hippo
Oosteinde 11
1017WT Amsterdam
The Netherlands
Tel +31 (0)20 5224466
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a.cahn@hippo.nl / www.hippo.nl
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Re: [GT2005] Cocoon GT Talks!
Posted by hepabolu <he...@gmail.com>.
Starting from the idea that this day will be attended by people familiar
with Cocoon but looking for extra information/help, I'd go for talks
that explain parts of Cocoon (+1 = I go for the talk AND I agree with
Bertrand):
>> 01 - Torsten Schlabach:
>> "All about URIs or: Find your sources
>> (protocols from file:// to jcr:// and beyond)"
>
> It can get a bit technical but it's a powerful part of Cocoon that is
> often not very well understood.
+1
>> 02 - Carsten Ziegeler
>> "Past, Present and Future of the Cocoon Portal"
>
> I know we've seen it at ApacheCon already, but IMHO the portal deserves
> to be more visible
+1
>> 04 - Andrew Savory
>> "Simplifying Cocoon"
>
> Yes, bring us (what's good in) Rails!
+1
>> 05 - Daniel Fagerström
>> "Cocoon Blocks"
> Need to talk about the (near) future.
Since it's not "happening right now" and quite technical, I'd put this
low on my list of "must hear".
>> 06 - Sylvain Wallez
>> "Something about AJAX"
>
> How could we not have ajax in amsterdam?
+1
>> 07 - Bertrand Delacretaz
>> "Cocoon Bricks: best practices by example"
>
> Back to Earth..
+1
>> 03 - Torsten Curdt
>> "Rapid application development with cocoon - javaflow and the
>> compiling class loader"
>
> Very close to be a must though
+1
>> 09 - Andrew Savory / Massimo Sonego
>> "What we get up to with Cocoon"
>
> Not sure about that one, if it's about success stories it could move to
> the "must" category
Equally not sure. Success stories are nice, but I'd rather have an
"HOWTO" talk.
>> 08 - Alfred Nathaniel
>> "XSP Tips and Traps"
>
> A narrower audience probably, but still important
I'd put this lower on my list since XSP is not considered "best
practice" any more.
>> 11 - Max Pfingsthorn
>> "CForms libraries: How Cocoon forms libraries make your life easier"
>
> Specific to CForms development, but important as well...can we have a
> second room? ;-)
+1 Good idea to team it up with Sylvain.
>> 13 - Jack Ivers / Joh Berry / Scott Roth / Vadim Gritsenko
>> "Performance / XSLT processors running with Cocoon"
>> 14 - Nico Verwer
>> "Performance / A case with very big XML documents (100's of megs)"
>
> These two could certainly be combined, but maybe a paper on performance
> could be nearly as good as a talk (with the basic assumption that
> there's not enough space for all talks, of course).
+1
> Now to the "could be crossed out if space is missing" talks.
>
>> 10 - Michael Wechner
>> "What Daisy, Hippo and Lenya can learn from each other!"
>
> We've had something very similar last year.
Same feeling here.
>> 12 - Lars Huttar
>> "Sitemap Browser: Using Cocoon to Explore Cocoon Sitemaps"
>
> The tool in itself looks way cool, but maybe a good online demo with
> some q&a time with Lars in another room for those who need it would also
> be an efficient way of showing it.
Same feeling here.
BTW: at the conferences I usually attend, there is always the
opportunity to put up posters, i.e. a large paper that explains the
topic. Is there space available to put up poster boards with posters
(either in A0 size or just plain A4 pages pasted together) for the talks
"that don't make it"? Not to mention the cost.
Bye, Helma
Re: [GT2005] Cocoon GT Talks!
Posted by Bertrand Delacretaz <bd...@apache.org>.
Le 8 sept. 05, à 07:07, Arje Cahn a écrit :
> ...Could everyone who feels the need to do so please state his
> opinion!?...
My opinion is that selecting which talks to run is a hard task, the
best thing would be to setup a second track...but if it's not possible
you'll have to make hard choices.
If a second track is not possible, how about having some lightning
talks instead of just crossing out stuff? For some of the talks below,
I guess people could prepare a demo online, or a paper, and be given
5-10 minutes to present its essentials and make themselves visible for
(out of stage) questions.
Here's my (personal and biased) attempt at classifying the talks, with
a preference for talks which could help convince more people that
Cocoon is for them. Flame at will.
The "must" talks, in no particular order:
> 01 - Torsten Schlabach:
> "All about URIs or: Find your sources
> (protocols from file:// to jcr:// and beyond)"
It can get a bit technical but it's a powerful part of Cocoon that is
often not very well understood.
> 02 - Carsten Ziegeler
> "Past, Present and Future of the Cocoon Portal"
I know we've seen it at ApacheCon already, but IMHO the portal deserves
to be more visible
> 04 - Andrew Savory
> "Simplifying Cocoon"
Yes, bring us (what's good in) Rails!
> 05 - Daniel Fagerström
> "Cocoon Blocks"
Need to talk about the (near) future.
> 06 - Sylvain Wallez
> "Something about AJAX"
How could we not have ajax in amsterdam?
> 07 - Bertrand Delacretaz
> "Cocoon Bricks: best practices by example"
Back to Earth..
The "nice to have" talks, in order of preference from my biased point
of view
Talks which (to me) seem to apply to a narrower audience, deeper
technical stuff, etc.
> 03 - Torsten Curdt
> "Rapid application development with cocoon - javaflow and the
> compiling class loader"
Very close to be a must though
> 09 - Andrew Savory / Massimo Sonego
> "What we get up to with Cocoon"
Not sure about that one, if it's about success stories it could move to
the "must" category
> 08 - Alfred Nathaniel
> "XSP Tips and Traps"
A narrower audience probably, but still important
> 11 - Max Pfingsthorn
> "CForms libraries: How Cocoon forms libraries make your life easier"
Specific to CForms development, but important as well...can we have a
second room? ;-)
> 13 - Jack Ivers / Joh Berry / Scott Roth / Vadim Gritsenko
> "Performance / XSLT processors running with Cocoon"
> 14 - Nico Verwer
> "Performance / A case with very big XML documents (100's of megs)"
These two could certainly be combined, but maybe a paper on performance
could be nearly as good as a talk (with the basic assumption that
there's not enough space for all talks, of course).
Now to the "could be crossed out if space is missing" talks.
> 10 - Michael Wechner
> "What Daisy, Hippo and Lenya can learn from each other!"
We've had something very similar last year.
> 12 - Lars Huttar
> "Sitemap Browser: Using Cocoon to Explore Cocoon Sitemaps"
The tool in itself looks way cool, but maybe a good online demo with
some q&a time with Lars in another room for those who need it would
also be an efficient way of showing it.
Hope this helps,
-Bertrand
Re: [GT2005] Cocoon GT Talks!
Posted by Joerg Heinicke <jo...@gmx.de>.
On 08.09.2005 07:07, Arje Cahn wrote:
> 01 - Torsten Schlabach:
> "All about URIs or: Find your sources
> (protocols from file:// to jcr:// and beyond)"
+1 Torsten's talk was one of the best last year. Though also more
technically oriented, it was and will be very interesting. So I expect
it this time too :)
> 02 - Carsten Ziegeler
> "Past, Present and Future of the Cocoon Portal"
+0 I already heard it at ApacheCon EU.
> 03 - Torsten Curdt
> "Rapid application development with cocoon - javaflow and the
> compiling class loader"
+1 Two important topics: with Cocoon Javaflow an alternative to
Flowscript and short development cycles.
> 04 - Andrew Savory
> "Simplifying Cocoon"
+1 Also interesting for improving Cocoon in details.
> 05 - Daniel Fagerström
> "Cocoon Blocks"
+1 Very important of course for the near future of Cocoon.
> 06 - Sylvain Wallez
> "Something about AJAX"
+1 Interesting, and we need at least one hype topic :)
> 07 - Bertrand Delacretaz
> "Cocoon Bricks: best practices by example"
+1 Important as we do not want to have only technical or advanced topics.
> 08 - Alfred Nathaniel
> "XSP Tips and Traps"
+0.5 Similar to 07. With the minor difference of being "no longer
considered a core technology".
> 09 - Andrew Savory / Massimo Sonego
> "What we get up to with Cocoon"
+0 Being more a lightning talk could this talk not be moved to the
hackathon day?
> 10 - Michael Wechner
> "What Daisy, Hippo and Lenya can learn from each other!"
+0 Same here.
> 11 - Max Pfingsthorn
> "CForms libraries: How Cocoon forms libraries make your life easier"
+1 Important new stuff hopefully improving CForms very much by avoiding
code duplication.
> 12 - Lars Huttar
> "Sitemap Browser: Using Cocoon to Explore Cocoon Sitemaps"
+0.1 I can not imagine talking a full session about it. Maybe something
that is better moved into Cocoon's documentation.
> 13 - Jack Ivers / Joh Berry / Scott Roth / Vadim Gritsenko
> "Performance / XSLT processors running with Cocoon"
+1 XSLT can be the bottleneck of Cocoon.
> 14 - Nico Verwer
> "Performance / A case with very big XML documents (100's of megs)"
+0.1 no details? Don't know if it's that much difference to 13. I might
be ignorant, but the worst problem with big documents is the XSLT
transformation, isn't it?
> I was thinking of combining Sylvain's Ajax talk (30 mins) with Max'
> CForms libraries talk (15 mins). This would then be a kind of a
> "what's new in CForms" presentation (that's what Sylvain and I
> discussed).
I like this very much.
> Also, I was hoping to combine talk 13 (XSLT performance) and 14 (big
> documents) combined with possibly a third performance talk from Pier
> into a "Performance track: hints, tips and guidelines!"
See my comment on 14.
In conclusion my ranking:
Must haves:
1. 06 + 11
2. 05
3. 13
4. 03
Nice to haves:
5. 07
6. 04
7. 01
8. 08
With removing my +0.1s and +0s from the list there are exactly 8 talks
left :) So I don't think we need a second track, if we hold the talks
(in narrower terms) on the hackathon days.
Jörg
Re: [GT2005] Cocoon GT Talks!
Posted by Lars Huttar <la...@sil.org>.
Lars Huttar wrote:
>
> To be fair, I should say that I haven't decided for sure whether I
> will be attending GT, even if talk #12 were accepted. So that may have
> some weight in your decisions.
> Also, my talk might work better as a shorter session, e.g. split a
> session with #9.
>
> Lars
>
Unfortunately I will not be attending GT after all.
Please withdraw proposal #12.
Hope you all have a good time!
Lars
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Re: [GT2005] Cocoon GT Talks!
Posted by Lars Huttar <la...@sil.org>.
Arje Cahn wrote:
>Hi everyone,
>
>This is the list of proposed talks for the upcoming CocoonGT, ordered by
>date received. 14 in total, and there's only place for 8! I'd like to put the
>program online by friday afternoon, to make sure people have enough
>time to sign up for the event.
>Could everyone who feels the need to do so please state his opinion!?
>I don't know what would be the smartest way of doing this...
>But any feedback would be very well appreciated!
>Also see my notes below..
>
>Thanks and hope to see you all in october,
>Arjé
>
>------------ PROPOSALS --------------
>
>01 - Torsten Schlabach:
> "All about URIs or: Find your sources
> (protocols from file:// to jcr:// and beyond)"
>
> Any Cocoon pipeline starts with a generator that is getting stuff from
> somehere that will be augmented and eventually rendered further down the
> road. The underlying Avalon framework in Cocoon allows the use of a
> number of pseudo-protocols to define from where a Geneator (or also a
> transformer) should read its byte input stream.
> In the first place, proper use of these protocols can make sitemaps much
> more readable and provides abstraction from specific installation
> deteails such as file system paths. But there are also protocols that
> allow Cocoon to directly access content from basically anwhere and not
> just the filesystem.
>
>02 - Carsten Ziegeler
> "Past, Present and Future of the Cocoon Portal"
>
> This talk gives an overview of the Cocoon portal solution. The portal is
> based on Apache Cocoon to benefit from the advantages of Cocoon when it
> comes to integrating different data sources and providing the
> information to different devices in different formats. This session
> introduces the basic concepts behind the portal and how to build a
> portal application. Learn how the portal changed through time and what
> the future might bring.
>
>03 - Torsten Curdt
> "Rapid application development with cocoon - javaflow and the
> compiling class loader"
>
> The session would be probably be more for a slightly advanced
> audience. I could talk about how to use the auto-reloading and
> javaflow with its current limitations.
>
>04 - Andrew Savory
> "Simplifying Cocoon"
>
> New frameworks such as Ruby on Rails are teaching the old dogs some
> new tricks. With the maxims of "write less code", "don't repeat
> yourself" and "convention over configuration", programming has become
> fun again. What can the Cocoon framework learn from this?
>
> Consider the lilies: most Java/XML developers fight with
> configuration and project building tools, and while they do XML
> situps, our Rails colleagues utter nice Zen-like 'umms' as their
> framework gently guesses at their thoughts.
>
> This session will point out the ways in which we can learn from our
> competitors and make life easier for our users. It will also
> introduce Racoon: all the fun of Rails, on Cocoon.
>
>05 - Daniel Fagerström
> "Cocoon Blocks"
>
> The Cocoon community is working hard on the next generation of Cocoon.
> The most important improvement is that most of the functionality will be
> packaged in so called blocks. The blocks architecture is built on the
> application framework OSGi, which also is used as the basis for the
> plugin architecture in Eclipse 3. A block can contain libraries and
> resources. At a higher level, blocks can contain reusable components. It
> will be possible to choose what component framework to use for each
> block, so that one block can contain e.g. Spring managed components and
> another Pico managed ones, that can cooperate seamlessly. What is maybe
> most exciting is that a block can contain a whole extensible web
> application. This will lead to a new level of application reuse. An
> application can be built by extending an application block and by just
> overriding the resources that needs to be modified. This is analogous to
> extension in object oriented languages. The blocks based Cocoon will put
> an end of todays huge download, you just download a small Cocoon core
> and use a deployment tool to download, configure and install the blocks
> that your application happens to need. In the talk the new architecture
> will be described and examples will be given on how applications can be
> devloped with the new tools.
>
>06 - Sylvain Wallez
> "Something about AJAX"
>
> ([AC] Sylvain hasn't completed his proposal, yet. But here are some
> promising quotes:)
>
> "I may help by talking about some of my favorite subjects. One that comes
> to mind is Ajax in Cocoon."
> "Actually, this may force me to actually implement some things I have in
> mind, the main one being replacing the current client-side JS I wrote to
> handle Ajax request by Prototype and Scriptaculous, the JS library
> used in Ruby on Rails. Even more fun!"
>
>07 - Bertrand Delacretaz
> "Cocoon Bricks: best practices by example"
>
> The "Cocoon Bricks" example application demonstrates all the essential
> aspects of a typical Cocoon-based web application: java components
> management at the application level, database access using
> object-relational mappings, and of course the Power Trio: Pipelines,
> Flowscript and Cocoon Forms, all tied together in a consistent whole.
>
> The application, which will be available online in source form,
> contains a minimal amount of code, structured and written to be easy to
> understand. External libraries include Hivemind for component
> management, OJB for database access and Derby as the database, all
> easily replaceable with equivalents if desired.
>
> We will study code snippets of all the important parts, from the build
> system to the component interactions and final application stages.
>
> This talk is open to Cocoon beginners, although a basic understanding
> of the main Cocoon concepts (sitemaps, flowscript, pipelines, as
> presented in the Supersonic Tour) will help in getting the most from
> it.
>
>08 - Alfred Nathaniel
> "XSP Tips and Traps"
>
> Although XSP is no longer considered a core technology by the Cocoon
> avantgarde, it is still a powerful tool for generating dynamic webpages.
> Its stability, robustness, and similarity to the well-known ASP/JSP
> concepts makes it a good fit for moving an established team from
> another framework to Cocoon.
> The talk draws from three years of XSP experience and wants to warn of
> common pitfalls and point to less known details of XSP and logicsheet
> processing. Knowledge of Java, XSLT, and Cocoon pipelines are assumed.
>
>09 - Andrew Savory / Massimo Sonego
> "What we get up to with Cocoon"
>
> I've been talking with Massimo at Otego about a talk we were
> considering doing together, but we're wondering if it might fit a
> "lightning talks" session rather than a full-size session. Are there
> any plans to do shorter talks?
>
> We were thinking it might be fun to do some quick "what we get up to
> with Cocoon" examples, more from a newbie/business user perspective
> than a techie perspective, and I'm sure a few others would be able to
> join in, too.
>
>10 - Michael Wechner
> "What Daisy, Hippo and Lenya can learn from each other!"
>
> Instead of doing a shootout, let's discuss and focuse on
> where the various Cocoon based CMS can learn from each other
> and maybe even collaborate ...
> PROPOSED SPEAKERS:
> Steven Noels (haven't asked him yet ;-)
> Arje Cahn (haven't asked him yet ;-)
> Michael Wechner (he won't be on vacation this year ;-)
>
>11 - Max Pfingsthorn
> "CForms libraries: How Cocoon forms libraries make your life easier"
>
> ([AC] Max hasn't finished his proposal yet, since he's buried himself
> in GSOC code, but he'd like to do a short talk on what he did, possibly
> combined with Sylvain's AJAX talk)
>
>12 - Lars Huttar
> "Sitemap Browser: Using Cocoon to Explore Cocoon Sitemaps"
>
> A simple Cocoon sitemap can be clean and elegant. But
> as pipelines aggregate calls to other pipelines, and the number of
> pipelines increases, a sitemap can become difficult to follow. Sitemap
> Browser (SB) addresses this problem by visualizing a sitemap as an HTML
> document, displaying each pipeline next to the pipeline(s) it calls, and
> by hyperlinking related pipelines to each other for easy navigation. SB
> works to some degree on unmodified sitemaps but works better if you add
> sb:* markup to help handle the harder cases. SB can also be a convenient
> aid in unit testing, as a framework for linking to a sample invocation
> of each pipeline.
>
>13 - Jack Ivers / Joh Berry / Scott Roth / Vadim Gritsenko
> "Performance / XSLT processors running with Cocoon"
>
> The folks here at Agile (Jack Ivers, Joh Berry, Scott Roth,
> Vadim Gritsenko) did a fairly in-depth analysis of XSLT processors running
> with Cocoon, looking at performance and memory consumption. Not
> completely scientific but we generated more information than we have been
> able to find elsewhere. We specifically looked at Xalan and Saxon, had
> Gregor but never completed testing with it. Anyway, if there was strong
> interest in this getting presented, we are willing to polish up our work
> and also try to get a Gregor test in.
>
>14 - Nico Verwer
> "Performance / A case with very big XML documents (100's of megs)"
>
>------------ /PROPOSALS --------------
>
>I was thinking of combining Sylvain's Ajax talk (30 mins) with Max' CForms libraries talk (15 mins). This would then be a kind of a "what's new in CForms" presentation (that's what Sylvain and I discussed).
>
>Also, I was hoping to combine talk 13 (XSLT performance) and 14 (big documents) combined with possibly a third performance talk from Pier into a "Performance track: hints, tips and guidelines!"
>
>I'm a little bit in a hurry because I want to give people the opportunity to see what the program will be when they start signing up for the event. However, he list above should make clear that whatever 8 options we choose, it will be worth travelling to Amsterdam anyway! ;-P
>
>
To be fair, I should say that I haven't decided for sure whether I will
be attending GT, even if talk #12 were accepted. So that may have some
weight in your decisions.
Also, my talk might work better as a shorter session, e.g. split a
session with #9.
Lars
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Re: [GT2005] Cocoon GT Talks!
Posted by Steven Noels <st...@outerthought.org>.
I've tallied comments here and there (PMC list), and this somehow looks
like the consensus now:
Sylvain + Max
Torsten Curdt
Torsten Schlabach
Andrew
Daniel
Bertrand
Jack & friends + Nico (+ Pier?)
Lars
in no particular order whatsoever.
Scheduled back to back in 45' slots, with a 45' lunch break and two 30'
coffee breaks, that'll fit in a (tight) schedule between 9:30 and
17:15.
Arjé needs closure to move forward, so please comment now.
</Steven>
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