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Posted to general@jakarta.apache.org by Jon Stevens <jo...@latchkey.com> on 2001/06/07 00:48:03 UTC

Lucene acceptance in Jakarta

Re: Lucene being added as a Jakarta Project.

5 of 10 (not counting Duncan) of the PMC members voted +1. The rest haven't
voted (shame on you). Can I please get the rest of the people to cast a
vote?

thanks,

-jon

+1
"Daniel F. Savarese" <df...@savarese.org>
Jason van Zyl <jv...@apache.org>
Ceki Gülcü <cg...@qos.ch>
Peter Donald <do...@apache.org>
Jon S. Stevens <jo...@latchkey.com>

No vote:
Pierpaolo Fumagalli
Ted Husted
Geir Magnusson Jr.
Craig McClanahan
Sam Ruby


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Re: Lucene acceptance in Jakarta

Posted by "Craig R. McClanahan" <cr...@apache.org>.
+1 (back at home recovering from J1).

Craig


On Fri, 8 Jun 2001, Ted Husted wrote:

> Was there a post with a [VOTE] header?
> 
> +1 
> 
> I think Craig and Geir are tied up with Java One this week.
> 
> Jon Stevens wrote:
> > 
> > Re: Lucene being added as a Jakarta Project.
> > 
> > 5 of 10 (not counting Duncan) of the PMC members voted +1. The rest haven't
> > voted (shame on you). Can I please get the rest of the people to cast a
> > vote?
> > 
> > thanks,
> > 
> > -jon
> > 
> > +1
> > "Daniel F. Savarese" <df...@savarese.org>
> > Jason van Zyl <jv...@apache.org>
> > Ceki Gülcü <cg...@qos.ch>
> > Peter Donald <do...@apache.org>
> > Jon S. Stevens <jo...@latchkey.com>
> > 
> > No vote:
> > Pierpaolo Fumagalli
> > Ted Husted
> > Geir Magnusson Jr.
> > Craig McClanahan
> > Sam Ruby
> 
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RE: Project idea

Posted by Ceki Gülcü <cg...@qos.ch>.
At 01:28 10.06.2001 -0700, Tal Dayan wrote:

>The Mckoi site is at http://www.mckoi.com/database, the owners are at
>http://www.iglou.com/adiehl.
>They menion in the FAQ that the license is GPL but 'you wish to use the
>database under a different
>license then contact us for further details'. Anybody feels lucky and want
>to give them a call ;-)
>
>Tal

It looks like they are leveraging the infectious nature of the GPL to force companies to buy Mckoi for commercial use. So much for freedom. Cheers, Ceki

>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: David Duddleston [mailto:david@i2a.com]
>> Sent: Saturday, June 09, 2001 11:58 PM
>> To: general@jakarta.apache.org
>> Subject: RE: Project idea
>>
>>
>>
>> There is a pretty good Java SQL Relational DB called Mckoi, but the darn
>> thing is GPL and I have sent about 6 emails trying to get them to
>> change the
>> license to an ASL or equivalent, but I have had no luck. They won't even
>> change to LGPL.
>>
>> hsql Database on sourceforge has a good license and works well for small
>> projects, but I don't know if I would trust it for anything important.
>> Hopefully it will pick up some momentum.
>>
>> I know Jetspeed (a Jakarta project) uses Hypersonic SQL (now hsql
>> Database),
>> or at least used it the last time I check which was a long time
>> ago. I would
>> love to see a solid Java RDBMS under a business friendly license. Maybe
>> someday ;-)
>>
>> -david
>>
>> > -----Original Message-----
>> > From: Tal Dayan [mailto:tal@zapta.com]
>> > Sent: Saturday, June 09, 2001 5:11 PM
>> > To: general@jakarta.apache.org
>> > Subject: Project idea
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > Does Jakarta has anything close to an embedded pure Java
>> > relational data base ?
>> >
>> > If not, a project like that will be a great
>> > addition to the Jakarta family.
>> >
>> >
>> > Tal
>> >
>> >
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RE: Project idea

Posted by Tal Dayan <ta...@zapta.com>.
The Mckoi site is at http://www.mckoi.com/database, the owners are at
http://www.iglou.com/adiehl.
They menion in the FAQ that the license is GPL but 'you wish to use the
database under a different
license then contact us for further details'. Anybody feels lucky and want
to give them a call ;-)

Tal



> -----Original Message-----
> From: David Duddleston [mailto:david@i2a.com]
> Sent: Saturday, June 09, 2001 11:58 PM
> To: general@jakarta.apache.org
> Subject: RE: Project idea
>
>
>
> There is a pretty good Java SQL Relational DB called Mckoi, but the darn
> thing is GPL and I have sent about 6 emails trying to get them to
> change the
> license to an ASL or equivalent, but I have had no luck. They won't even
> change to LGPL.
>
> hsql Database on sourceforge has a good license and works well for small
> projects, but I don't know if I would trust it for anything important.
> Hopefully it will pick up some momentum.
>
> I know Jetspeed (a Jakarta project) uses Hypersonic SQL (now hsql
> Database),
> or at least used it the last time I check which was a long time
> ago. I would
> love to see a solid Java RDBMS under a business friendly license. Maybe
> someday ;-)
>
> -david
>
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Tal Dayan [mailto:tal@zapta.com]
> > Sent: Saturday, June 09, 2001 5:11 PM
> > To: general@jakarta.apache.org
> > Subject: Project idea
> >
> >
> >
> > Does Jakarta has anything close to an embedded pure Java
> > relational data base ?
> >
> > If not, a project like that will be a great
> > addition to the Jakarta family.
> >
> >
> > Tal
> >
> >
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Re: Project idea (Hypersonic)

Posted by "Pier P. Fumagalli" <pi...@betaversion.org>.
burtonator at burton@relativity.yi.org wrote:

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> "Pier P. Fumagalli" <pi...@betaversion.org> writes:
> <snip>
> 
>> IMVHO, we shouldn't run after projects who, as you said, have a negative
>> inclination towards the Foundation. We have already enough stuff in our bags
>> to keep us busy forever, and although the project seems to be pretty cool, I
>> don't see a reason why we should incorporate it within our family.
>> 
>> If one of their team comes up and asks, we can consider it, but I don't feel
>> it's our task to go out and convince them to join us...
> <snip>
> 
> Yes.  I understand this perspective.  However I think it is important to note
> that sometimes cooperation is much better than competition.

I didn't say we're going to compete with them... Actually we don't have any
RDBMS in our bag, and AFAIK we are not planning to have in the future...
So, there's no competition, and, regarding cooperation, it can only be
achieved when all parties involved are WILLING to cooperate...
>From what I hear, they're not very willing... And, as you well know, we're
always open to listen, but from that, to go around and convince people, it's
a big difference...

    Pier


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Re: Project idea (Hypersonic)

Posted by burtonator <bu...@relativity.yi.org>.
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> IMVHO, we shouldn't run after projects who, as you said, have a negative
> inclination towards the Foundation. We have already enough stuff in our bags
> to keep us busy forever, and although the project seems to be pretty cool, I
> don't see a reason why we should incorporate it within our family.
> 
> If one of their team comes up and asks, we can consider it, but I don't feel
> it's our task to go out and convince them to join us...
<snip>

Yes.  I understand this perspective.  However I think it is important to note
that sometimes cooperation is much better than competition.  

Kevin

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Re: Project idea (Hypersonic)

Posted by "Pier P. Fumagalli" <pi...@betaversion.org>.
burtonator at burton@relativity.yi.org wrote:
> 
> Just an FYI.
> 
> I have spent a lot of time recently working with the Hypersonic people.
> 
> There are a number of issues here.  It seems they talked to Apache in the past
> about moving Hypersonic under Jakarta but were turned down.  Since then a lot
> has happened.
> 
> [...]
> 
> That said I hope other ASF developers are able to convince them to change
> their ways where I have failed.  I am sure more voices will help make these
> issues more relevant.

IMVHO, we shouldn't run after projects who, as you said, have a negative
inclination towards the Foundation. We have already enough stuff in our bags
to keep us busy forever, and although the project seems to be pretty cool, I
don't see a reason why we should incorporate it within our family.

If one of their team comes up and asks, we can consider it, but I don't feel
it's our task to go out and convince them to join us...

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Re: Project idea (Hypersonic)

Posted by burtonator <bu...@relativity.yi.org>.
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"Michael McCallum" <mi...@spinsoftware.com> writes:

> try this one with a BSD licence...
> 
> http://sourceforge.net/projects/hsqldb
<snip>

Just an FYI.

I have spent a lot of time recently working with the Hypersonic people.

There are a number of issues here.  It seems they talked to Apache in the past
about moving Hypersonic under Jakarta but were turned down.  Since then a lot
has happened.

It would be a huge changed in direction for them to move to Jakarta.  They are
creating a non-profit organization to push Hypersonic.  It seems that they have
put a lot of effort into this and I assume they would be hesitant to waste this
when moving over to Apache.

The other aspect, and one that *really* bothers me is that they don't seem to
want to work under the Apache Open Source Development Model.

There CVS modules are all over the place, redundant modules, unnecessary
modules, modules which haven't had commits in months, etc.  They also do not use
mailing lists, the use the SourceForge web forums.  Anyone who is a fan of
mailing lists will really hate their use of webforums.

The other issue is that they have a company founded around Hypersonic and are
making all important decisions behind closed doors.  This does not bode well for
the success of an Open Source project.

I have raised all these issues (and more) to them in an constructive manner but
they do not seem to want outside help.  I really like Hypersonic but am very
doubtful about its future considering these facts.

That said I hope other ASF developers are able to convince them to change their
ways where I have failed.  I am sure more voices will help make these issues
more relevant.

Kevin

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Re: Project idea

Posted by Michael McCallum <mi...@spinsoftware.com>.
try this one with a BSD licence...

http://sourceforge.net/projects/hsqldb

On 15 Jul 2001, at 15:29, Bob Jamison wrote:

> Cory L Hubert wrote:
> 
> >	I think it's time for it as well.   Oracle, DB2, Sybase are planning on
> >cashing in even bigger now.   The .com crazy is over and people are going to
> >start to develop and market information rich websites and services that
> >reach out to cell phones/PDA's etc.
> >
> >	There hasn't been much innovation going on in the Relational DB world.
> >It'd be nice to see an Open Source project catch up, innovate, and
> >outperform the Big Name DB vendors.
> >	An Open Source java DB by a trusted Open Source Name (Apache) would allow
> >anyone to have a high end database solution without being a big money making
> >enterprise.
> >
> >	Obviously I think this is a good idea.   Why don't we create a list for
> >Open Source DB's to evaluate?  Also some criteria.
> >	I've already mentioned.
> >
> >	1. Object or Object/Relational DB.
> >	2. Support for SQL/OQL
> >	3. Support for the SUN JDO spec.
> >
> >-----Original Message-----
> >From: David Duddleston [mailto:david@i2a.com]
> >Sent: Saturday, June 09, 2001 11:58 PM
> >To: general@jakarta.apache.org
> >Subject: RE: Project idea
> >
> >
> >
> >There is a pretty good Java SQL Relational DB called Mckoi, but the darn
> >thing is GPL and I have sent about 6 emails trying to get them to change the
> >license to an ASL or equivalent, but I have had no luck. They won't even
> >change to LGPL.
> >
> >hsql Database on sourceforge has a good license and works well for small
> >projects, but I don't know if I would trust it for anything important.
> >Hopefully it will pick up some momentum.
> >
> >I know Jetspeed (a Jakarta project) uses Hypersonic SQL (now hsql Database),
> >or at least used it the last time I check which was a long time ago. I would
> >love to see a solid Java RDBMS under a business friendly license. Maybe
> >someday ;-)
> >
> >-david
> >
> >>-----Original Message-----
> >>From: Tal Dayan [mailto:tal@zapta.com]
> >>Sent: Saturday, June 09, 2001 5:11 PM
> >>To: general@jakarta.apache.org
> >>Subject: Project idea
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>Does Jakarta has anything close to an embedded pure Java
> >>relational data base ?
> >>
> >>If not, a project like that will be a great
> >>addition to the Jakarta family.
> >>
> >>
> >>Tal
> >>
> >>
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> Hey, maybe take a look at
> 
> http://www.lutris.com/products/projects/instantDB
> 
> They have been hinting about making it open for a
> long time now, and maybe they could use some
> help doing so.
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
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Re: Project idea

Posted by Bob Jamison <rj...@lincom-asg.com>.
Cory L Hubert wrote:

>	I think it's time for it as well.   Oracle, DB2, Sybase are planning on
>cashing in even bigger now.   The .com crazy is over and people are going to
>start to develop and market information rich websites and services that
>reach out to cell phones/PDA's etc.
>
>	There hasn't been much innovation going on in the Relational DB world.
>It'd be nice to see an Open Source project catch up, innovate, and
>outperform the Big Name DB vendors.
>	An Open Source java DB by a trusted Open Source Name (Apache) would allow
>anyone to have a high end database solution without being a big money making
>enterprise.
>
>	Obviously I think this is a good idea.   Why don't we create a list for
>Open Source DB's to evaluate?  Also some criteria.
>	I've already mentioned.
>
>	1. Object or Object/Relational DB.
>	2. Support for SQL/OQL
>	3. Support for the SUN JDO spec.
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: David Duddleston [mailto:david@i2a.com]
>Sent: Saturday, June 09, 2001 11:58 PM
>To: general@jakarta.apache.org
>Subject: RE: Project idea
>
>
>
>There is a pretty good Java SQL Relational DB called Mckoi, but the darn
>thing is GPL and I have sent about 6 emails trying to get them to change the
>license to an ASL or equivalent, but I have had no luck. They won't even
>change to LGPL.
>
>hsql Database on sourceforge has a good license and works well for small
>projects, but I don't know if I would trust it for anything important.
>Hopefully it will pick up some momentum.
>
>I know Jetspeed (a Jakarta project) uses Hypersonic SQL (now hsql Database),
>or at least used it the last time I check which was a long time ago. I would
>love to see a solid Java RDBMS under a business friendly license. Maybe
>someday ;-)
>
>-david
>
>>-----Original Message-----
>>From: Tal Dayan [mailto:tal@zapta.com]
>>Sent: Saturday, June 09, 2001 5:11 PM
>>To: general@jakarta.apache.org
>>Subject: Project idea
>>
>>
>>
>>Does Jakarta has anything close to an embedded pure Java
>>relational data base ?
>>
>>If not, a project like that will be a great
>>addition to the Jakarta family.
>>
>>
>>Tal
>>
>>
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Hey, maybe take a look at

http://www.lutris.com/products/projects/instantDB

They have been hinting about making it open for a
long time now, and maybe they could use some
help doing so.






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RE: Project idea

Posted by David Duddleston <da...@i2a.com>.
Once we get Lucene moved over, maybe we can get the hsql project moved to
Jakarta also. It would be a huge step forward for data management on
Jakarta.

-david

> -----Original Message-----
> From: Tal Dayan [mailto:tal@zapta.com]
> Sent: Sunday, June 10, 2001 11:16 AM
> To: general@jakarta.apache.org
> Subject: RE: Project idea
>
>
>
> Here are more points to consider when evaluating canidates
> and when defining the project goals:
>
> * 100% Java (of course)
> * Copyright clearance (including any required third party components)
> * Supports both server/multi-clients mode and embedded configuration
> * Reasonable performance and scalability
> * Transactional
> * Flexible data storage (not too restrictive limitation on row and cell
> sizes).
> * Easy migration to/from popular data bases
>
>
> You can find a list of existing Java data bases at
> http://dmoz.org/Computers/Programming/Languages/Java/Database-Related/
> (I found it following Mike Dougherty's pointers, thanks Mike).
>
> Tal
>
>
>
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Cory L Hubert [mailto:clhubert@ttech.org]
> > Sent: Sunday, June 10, 2001 3:04 AM
> > To: general@jakarta.apache.org
> > Subject: RE: Project idea
> >
> >
> > 	I think it's time for it as well.   Oracle, DB2, Sybase are
> > planning on
> > cashing in even bigger now.   The .com crazy is over and people
> > are going to
> > start to develop and market information rich websites and services that
> > reach out to cell phones/PDA's etc.
> >
> > 	There hasn't been much innovation going on in the
> > Relational DB world.
> > It'd be nice to see an Open Source project catch up, innovate, and
> > outperform the Big Name DB vendors.
> > 	An Open Source java DB by a trusted Open Source Name
> > (Apache) would allow
> > anyone to have a high end database solution without being a big
> > money making
> > enterprise.
> >
> > 	Obviously I think this is a good idea.   Why don't we
> > create a list for
> > Open Source DB's to evaluate?  Also some criteria.
> > 	I've already mentioned.
> >
> > 	1. Object or Object/Relational DB.
> > 	2. Support for SQL/OQL
> > 	3. Support for the SUN JDO spec.
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: David Duddleston [mailto:david@i2a.com]
> > Sent: Saturday, June 09, 2001 11:58 PM
> > To: general@jakarta.apache.org
> > Subject: RE: Project idea
> >
> >
> >
> > There is a pretty good Java SQL Relational DB called Mckoi, but the darn
> > thing is GPL and I have sent about 6 emails trying to get them to
> > change the
> > license to an ASL or equivalent, but I have had no luck. They won't even
> > change to LGPL.
> >
> > hsql Database on sourceforge has a good license and works well for small
> > projects, but I don't know if I would trust it for anything important.
> > Hopefully it will pick up some momentum.
> >
> > I know Jetspeed (a Jakarta project) uses Hypersonic SQL (now hsql
> > Database),
> > or at least used it the last time I check which was a long time
> > ago. I would
> > love to see a solid Java RDBMS under a business friendly license. Maybe
> > someday ;-)
> >
> > -david
> >
> > > -----Original Message-----
> > > From: Tal Dayan [mailto:tal@zapta.com]
> > > Sent: Saturday, June 09, 2001 5:11 PM
> > > To: general@jakarta.apache.org
> > > Subject: Project idea
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > Does Jakarta has anything close to an embedded pure Java
> > > relational data base ?
> > >
> > > If not, a project like that will be a great
> > > addition to the Jakarta family.
> > >
> > >
> > > Tal
> > >
> > >
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RE: Project idea

Posted by Tal Dayan <ta...@zapta.com>.
Here are more points to consider when evaluating canidates
and when defining the project goals:

* 100% Java (of course)
* Copyright clearance (including any required third party components)
* Supports both server/multi-clients mode and embedded configuration
* Reasonable performance and scalability
* Transactional
* Flexible data storage (not too restrictive limitation on row and cell
sizes).
* Easy migration to/from popular data bases


You can find a list of existing Java data bases at
http://dmoz.org/Computers/Programming/Languages/Java/Database-Related/
(I found it following Mike Dougherty's pointers, thanks Mike).

Tal



> -----Original Message-----
> From: Cory L Hubert [mailto:clhubert@ttech.org]
> Sent: Sunday, June 10, 2001 3:04 AM
> To: general@jakarta.apache.org
> Subject: RE: Project idea
>
>
> 	I think it's time for it as well.   Oracle, DB2, Sybase are
> planning on
> cashing in even bigger now.   The .com crazy is over and people
> are going to
> start to develop and market information rich websites and services that
> reach out to cell phones/PDA's etc.
>
> 	There hasn't been much innovation going on in the
> Relational DB world.
> It'd be nice to see an Open Source project catch up, innovate, and
> outperform the Big Name DB vendors.
> 	An Open Source java DB by a trusted Open Source Name
> (Apache) would allow
> anyone to have a high end database solution without being a big
> money making
> enterprise.
>
> 	Obviously I think this is a good idea.   Why don't we
> create a list for
> Open Source DB's to evaluate?  Also some criteria.
> 	I've already mentioned.
>
> 	1. Object or Object/Relational DB.
> 	2. Support for SQL/OQL
> 	3. Support for the SUN JDO spec.
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: David Duddleston [mailto:david@i2a.com]
> Sent: Saturday, June 09, 2001 11:58 PM
> To: general@jakarta.apache.org
> Subject: RE: Project idea
>
>
>
> There is a pretty good Java SQL Relational DB called Mckoi, but the darn
> thing is GPL and I have sent about 6 emails trying to get them to
> change the
> license to an ASL or equivalent, but I have had no luck. They won't even
> change to LGPL.
>
> hsql Database on sourceforge has a good license and works well for small
> projects, but I don't know if I would trust it for anything important.
> Hopefully it will pick up some momentum.
>
> I know Jetspeed (a Jakarta project) uses Hypersonic SQL (now hsql
> Database),
> or at least used it the last time I check which was a long time
> ago. I would
> love to see a solid Java RDBMS under a business friendly license. Maybe
> someday ;-)
>
> -david
>
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Tal Dayan [mailto:tal@zapta.com]
> > Sent: Saturday, June 09, 2001 5:11 PM
> > To: general@jakarta.apache.org
> > Subject: Project idea
> >
> >
> >
> > Does Jakarta has anything close to an embedded pure Java
> > relational data base ?
> >
> > If not, a project like that will be a great
> > addition to the Jakarta family.
> >
> >
> > Tal
> >
> >
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RE: Project idea

Posted by Cory L Hubert <cl...@ttech.org>.
	I think it's time for it as well.   Oracle, DB2, Sybase are planning on
cashing in even bigger now.   The .com crazy is over and people are going to
start to develop and market information rich websites and services that
reach out to cell phones/PDA's etc.

	There hasn't been much innovation going on in the Relational DB world.
It'd be nice to see an Open Source project catch up, innovate, and
outperform the Big Name DB vendors.
	An Open Source java DB by a trusted Open Source Name (Apache) would allow
anyone to have a high end database solution without being a big money making
enterprise.

	Obviously I think this is a good idea.   Why don't we create a list for
Open Source DB's to evaluate?  Also some criteria.
	I've already mentioned.

	1. Object or Object/Relational DB.
	2. Support for SQL/OQL
	3. Support for the SUN JDO spec.

-----Original Message-----
From: David Duddleston [mailto:david@i2a.com]
Sent: Saturday, June 09, 2001 11:58 PM
To: general@jakarta.apache.org
Subject: RE: Project idea



There is a pretty good Java SQL Relational DB called Mckoi, but the darn
thing is GPL and I have sent about 6 emails trying to get them to change the
license to an ASL or equivalent, but I have had no luck. They won't even
change to LGPL.

hsql Database on sourceforge has a good license and works well for small
projects, but I don't know if I would trust it for anything important.
Hopefully it will pick up some momentum.

I know Jetspeed (a Jakarta project) uses Hypersonic SQL (now hsql Database),
or at least used it the last time I check which was a long time ago. I would
love to see a solid Java RDBMS under a business friendly license. Maybe
someday ;-)

-david

> -----Original Message-----
> From: Tal Dayan [mailto:tal@zapta.com]
> Sent: Saturday, June 09, 2001 5:11 PM
> To: general@jakarta.apache.org
> Subject: Project idea
>
>
>
> Does Jakarta has anything close to an embedded pure Java
> relational data base ?
>
> If not, a project like that will be a great
> addition to the Jakarta family.
>
>
> Tal
>
>
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RE: Project idea

Posted by David Duddleston <da...@i2a.com>.
There is a pretty good Java SQL Relational DB called Mckoi, but the darn
thing is GPL and I have sent about 6 emails trying to get them to change the
license to an ASL or equivalent, but I have had no luck. They won't even
change to LGPL.

hsql Database on sourceforge has a good license and works well for small
projects, but I don't know if I would trust it for anything important.
Hopefully it will pick up some momentum.

I know Jetspeed (a Jakarta project) uses Hypersonic SQL (now hsql Database),
or at least used it the last time I check which was a long time ago. I would
love to see a solid Java RDBMS under a business friendly license. Maybe
someday ;-)

-david

> -----Original Message-----
> From: Tal Dayan [mailto:tal@zapta.com]
> Sent: Saturday, June 09, 2001 5:11 PM
> To: general@jakarta.apache.org
> Subject: Project idea
>
>
>
> Does Jakarta has anything close to an embedded pure Java
> relational data base ?
>
> If not, a project like that will be a great
> addition to the Jakarta family.
>
>
> Tal
>
>
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Re: Project idea

Posted by Mike Dougherty <Mi...@san.rr.com>.
Cory L Hubert wrote:
> 
>         Why not. A relational/ohject database.   One that may be queried with
> standard SQL and OQL.   It should probably work with the up and coming Sun
> Microsystems JDO spec.
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Tal Dayan [mailto:tal@zapta.com]
> Sent: Saturday, June 09, 2001 5:11 PM
> To: general@jakarta.apache.org
> Subject: Project idea
> 
> Does Jakarta has anything close to an embedded pure Java
> relational data base ?
> 
> If not, a project like that will be a great
> addition to the Jakarta family.
> 
> Tal
> 

If you are looking for good database engines you can check:

HypersonicSQL: http://sourceforge.net/projects/hsql/
ozone: http://www.ozone-db.org

I'm not sure how the current project teams would feel about bringing
them under Apache. I don't even know what the process is to even try and
find out. So that's about all the help I can offer.

/mike


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RE: Project idea

Posted by Cory L Hubert <cl...@ttech.org>.
	Why not. A relational/ohject database.   One that may be queried with
standard SQL and OQL.   It should probably work with the up and coming Sun
Microsystems JDO spec.

-----Original Message-----
From: Tal Dayan [mailto:tal@zapta.com]
Sent: Saturday, June 09, 2001 5:11 PM
To: general@jakarta.apache.org
Subject: Project idea



Does Jakarta has anything close to an embedded pure Java
relational data base ?

If not, a project like that will be a great
addition to the Jakarta family.


Tal


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Project idea

Posted by Tal Dayan <ta...@zapta.com>.
Does Jakarta has anything close to an embedded pure Java 
relational data base ?

If not, a project like that will be a great 
addition to the Jakarta family.


Tal


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Re: Lucene acceptance in Jakarta

Posted by Ted Husted <hu...@apache.org>.
Was there a post with a [VOTE] header?

+1 

I think Craig and Geir are tied up with Java One this week.

Jon Stevens wrote:
> 
> Re: Lucene being added as a Jakarta Project.
> 
> 5 of 10 (not counting Duncan) of the PMC members voted +1. The rest haven't
> voted (shame on you). Can I please get the rest of the people to cast a
> vote?
> 
> thanks,
> 
> -jon
> 
> +1
> "Daniel F. Savarese" <df...@savarese.org>
> Jason van Zyl <jv...@apache.org>
> Ceki Gülcü <cg...@qos.ch>
> Peter Donald <do...@apache.org>
> Jon S. Stevens <jo...@latchkey.com>
> 
> No vote:
> Pierpaolo Fumagalli
> Ted Husted
> Geir Magnusson Jr.
> Craig McClanahan
> Sam Ruby

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Re: Lucene acceptance in Jakarta

Posted by "Geir Magnusson Jr." <ge...@optonline.net>.
Did you consider that we were out of functional email reach?

+1 from me - I haven't used it, but it comes highly recommended from a
source I trust (besides you...)

geir

Jon Stevens wrote:
> 
> Re: Lucene being added as a Jakarta Project.
> 
> 5 of 10 (not counting Duncan) of the PMC members voted +1. The rest haven't
> voted (shame on you). Can I please get the rest of the people to cast a
> vote?
> 
> thanks,
> 
> -jon
> 
> +1
> "Daniel F. Savarese" <df...@savarese.org>
> Jason van Zyl <jv...@apache.org>
> Ceki Gülcü <cg...@qos.ch>
> Peter Donald <do...@apache.org>
> Jon S. Stevens <jo...@latchkey.com>
> 
> No vote:
> Pierpaolo Fumagalli
> Ted Husted
> Geir Magnusson Jr.
> Craig McClanahan
> Sam Ruby

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Developing for the web?  See http://jakarta.apache.org/velocity/
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Re: Lucene acceptance in Jakarta

Posted by "Pier P. Fumagalli" <pi...@betaversion.org>.
Jon Stevens at jon@latchkey.com wrote:

> Re: Lucene being added as a Jakarta Project.
> 
> 5 of 10 (not counting Duncan) of the PMC members voted +1. The rest haven't
> voted (shame on you). Can I please get the rest of the people to cast a
> vote?

Just downloaded, and I must admit that it seems a nice piece of toy (for a
long time fan of swish-e :)... +1 if the community is willing to support
it...

    Pier


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