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Posted to dev@openoffice.apache.org by Raul Pacheco da Silva <ra...@gmail.com> on 2012/05/13 18:17:49 UTC
manuals on OpenOffice
Good morning, I am a simple end user and fan of this software and am not
very good thing in these licenses, and would assist the project with the
translation of manuals as I did with the LO, manuals found on this page of
the wiki:
http://wiki.services.openoffice.org/wiki/Documentation/OOo3_User_Guides/OOo3.3_Chapters_ODT
I saw that these manuals are under the GNU
"
ThisDocument is excellant Copyright © 2005-2010 by the contributors listed
below. You may distributeit and / or modify it under the terms of the GNU
General PublicLicense Either (http://www.gnu.org/licenses/gpl.html), version
3 or later, or the Creative Commons Attribution License (http:// /
creativecommons.org/licenses/by/3.0 /), version 3.0 or later.
Within this guide Alltrademarks Belong To Their legitimate owners. "
and footer
"You can download
an editable version of this document from
http://oooauthors.org/english/userguide3/published/ "
are showing that these documents OOOautohrs
We can make some indication in this direction and use the license at the end of
the Apache Incubator
"Copyright [yyyy] [name of copyright owner]
Licensed under the Apache License, Version 2.0 (the "License");
You may not use this file except in compliance with the License.
You may Obtain a copy of the License at
http://www.apache.org/licenses/LICENSE-2.0
Unless required by Applicable law or Agreed to in writing, software
distributed under the License is distributed on an "AS IS" BASIS,
Warranties WITHOUT OR CONDITIONS OF ANY KIND, express or implied Either.
See the License for the specific language governing permissions and
limitations under the License. "
Well if someone can help me, thank you and the same can be done in other
languages with respect to manual.
Desfazer edições
--
Raul Pacheco da Silva
Fone (11) 8536-6340
Skipe: raulpachecodasilva
Messenger: rps_8@hotmail.com
Suzano - SP
Re: manuals on OpenOffice
Posted by Pedro Giffuni <pf...@apache.org>.
(sorry for top posting)
Well, theres a lot to do ...
In the past we spend some time discussing if we should
keep using MW or move everything to CWiki. It seems like
infra@ is OK with having both but perhaps we should define
better how each will be used.
I guess you guys could start be removing all the outdated
information.
Next we need an inventory of the valuable information and
some migration plan to make clear how new information is
under ALv2.
Pedro.
--- Dom 13/5/12, Paulo de Souza Lima <pa...@varekai.org> ha scritto:
...
> > Hello Pedro,
> >
> > Thanks for your reply, I am a volunteer in Brazil for
> the translation of
> > manuals for Portuguese language (Brazil), I believe in
> the same way these
> > manuals (esttilos and formatting with some variations)
> and even for
> > creating these.
> > 2012/5/13 Pedro Giffuni <pf...@apache.org>
> >
>
> Hi. I think I can help on this issue too.
>
> Rgds.\
> --
>
> Raul Pacheco da Silva
> >
> > Fone (11) 8536-6340
> > Skipe: raulpachecodasilva
> > Messenger: rps_8@hotmail.com
> > Suzano - SP
> >
>
>
>
> --
> Paulo de Souza Lima
> Técnico em Eletrônica e Administrador
> http://www.pasl.net.br
> http://almalivre.wordpress.com
> Curitiba - PR
> Linux User #432358
> Ubuntu User #28729
>
> "Para que as pessoas conquistem a paz em suas relações, a
> paz espiritual e
> a paz entre os povos, é preciso que antes se ganhe a
> batalha interna das
> virtudes sobre os defeitos" - Talal Husseini - Filósofo
> Acropolitano
>
> "For people to achieve peace in their relationships,
> spiritual peace and
> the peace among people, it's necessary, earlier, to win the
> internal battle
> between virtues and defects" - Talal Husseini - Acropolitan
> Philosopher
>
Re: manuals on OpenOffice
Posted by Paulo de Souza Lima <pa...@varekai.org>.
2012/5/13 Raul Pacheco da Silva <ra...@gmail.com>
> Hello Pedro,
>
> Thanks for your reply, I am a volunteer in Brazil for the translation of
> manuals for Portuguese language (Brazil), I believe in the same way these
> manuals (esttilos and formatting with some variations) and even for
> creating these.
> 2012/5/13 Pedro Giffuni <pf...@apache.org>
>
Hi. I think I can help on this issue too.
Rgds.\
--
Raul Pacheco da Silva
>
> Fone (11) 8536-6340
> Skipe: raulpachecodasilva
> Messenger: rps_8@hotmail.com
> Suzano - SP
>
--
Paulo de Souza Lima
Técnico em Eletrônica e Administrador
http://www.pasl.net.br
http://almalivre.wordpress.com
Curitiba - PR
Linux User #432358
Ubuntu User #28729
"Para que as pessoas conquistem a paz em suas relações, a paz espiritual e
a paz entre os povos, é preciso que antes se ganhe a batalha interna das
virtudes sobre os defeitos" - Talal Husseini - Filósofo Acropolitano
"For people to achieve peace in their relationships, spiritual peace and
the peace among people, it's necessary, earlier, to win the internal battle
between virtues and defects" - Talal Husseini - Acropolitan Philosopher
Re: manuals on OpenOffice
Posted by Raul Pacheco da Silva <ra...@gmail.com>.
Hello Pedro,
Thanks for your reply, I am a volunteer in Brazil for the translation of
manuals for Portuguese language (Brazil), I believe in the same way these
manuals (esttilos and formatting with some variations) and even for
creating these.
2012/5/13 Pedro Giffuni <pf...@apache.org>
> Hello Raul;
>
>
> On 05/13/12 11:17, Raul Pacheco da Silva wrote:
>
>> Good morning, I am a simple end user and fan of this software and am not
>> very good thing in these licenses, and would assist the project with the
>> translation of manuals as I did with the LO, manuals found on this page of
>> the wiki:
>>
>> http://wiki.services.**openoffice.org/wiki/**Documentation/OOo3_User_**
>> Guides/OOo3.3_Chapters_ODT<http://wiki.services.openoffice.org/wiki/Documentation/OOo3_User_Guides/OOo3.3_Chapters_ODT>
>>
>> I saw that these manuals are under the GNU
>>
>> "
>> ThisDocument is excellant Copyright © 2005-2010 by the contributors listed
>> below. You may distributeit and / or modify it under the terms of the GNU
>> General PublicLicense Either (http://www.gnu.org/licenses/**gpl.html<http://www.gnu.org/licenses/gpl.html>),
>> version
>> 3 or later, or the Creative Commons Attribution License (http:// /
>> creativecommons.org/licenses/**by/3.0<http://creativecommons.org/licenses/by/3.0>/), version 3.0 or later.
>>
>> Within this guide Alltrademarks Belong To Their legitimate owners. "
>>
>> and footer
>>
>> "You can download
>> an editable version of this document from
>> http://oooauthors.org/english/**userguide3/published/<http://oooauthors.org/english/userguide3/published/>"
>>
>
> Indeed. Those files don't belong to the project and we can't
> relicense them.
>
> To make a long story short, we had to backup the old SUN/Oracle
> server and move it into Apache but we haven't cleaned out the
> content yet.
>
> I think we will need volunteers for a new documentation project,
> or at least to clean up the old content.
>
> Pedro.
>
>
--
Raul Pacheco da Silva
Fone (11) 8536-6340
Skipe: raulpachecodasilva
Messenger: rps_8@hotmail.com
Suzano - SP
Re: manuals on OpenOffice
Posted by Pedro Giffuni <pf...@apache.org>.
Hello Raul;
On 05/13/12 11:17, Raul Pacheco da Silva wrote:
> Good morning, I am a simple end user and fan of this software and am not
> very good thing in these licenses, and would assist the project with the
> translation of manuals as I did with the LO, manuals found on this page of
> the wiki:
>
> http://wiki.services.openoffice.org/wiki/Documentation/OOo3_User_Guides/OOo3.3_Chapters_ODT
>
> I saw that these manuals are under the GNU
>
> "
> ThisDocument is excellant Copyright © 2005-2010 by the contributors listed
> below. You may distributeit and / or modify it under the terms of the GNU
> General PublicLicense Either (http://www.gnu.org/licenses/gpl.html), version
> 3 or later, or the Creative Commons Attribution License (http:// /
> creativecommons.org/licenses/by/3.0 /), version 3.0 or later.
>
> Within this guide Alltrademarks Belong To Their legitimate owners. "
>
> and footer
>
> "You can download
> an editable version of this document from
> http://oooauthors.org/english/userguide3/published/ "
Indeed. Those files don't belong to the project and we can't
relicense them.
To make a long story short, we had to backup the old SUN/Oracle
server and move it into Apache but we haven't cleaned out the
content yet.
I think we will need volunteers for a new documentation project,
or at least to clean up the old content.
Pedro.
Re: manuals on OpenOffice
Posted by tj <tj...@apache.org>.
On 5/14/2012 08:40, Paulo de Souza Lima wrote:
> 2012/5/14 Jingbai<ji...@gmail.com>
>
>> Hi Paulo:
>>
>
> Hi!
>
>
>> Guess you have already Joined the ODFAuthor Mailing list.
>>
>
> I'm not sure. I feel like an extreme rookie here =) Can you tell me where
> can I subscribe?
Start here: <http://www.odfauthors.org/openoffice.org/english>
and navigate as you please (other languages, LO, ...).
HTH
/tj/
>
>
>> I think the articles on MediaWiki are very helpful. Here is an example:
>> to demonstrate the needed features to write formulas and insert graphics.
>> insert graphics.
>>
>> http://wiki.services.openoffice.org/wiki/Documentation/How_Tos/Calc:_CHISQDIST_function
>> We also would like to contribute some articles like hints and tips for AOO
>> on the mediawiki.
>>
>
> Indeed. I've been using those Mediawiki features a lot.
>
>
>>
>> Hope this can help.
>> Betsy Bai
>>
>
> Thanks
>
>
Re: manuals on OpenOffice
Posted by Paulo de Souza Lima <pa...@varekai.org>.
2012/5/14 Jingbai <ji...@gmail.com>
> Hi Paulo:
>
Hi!
> Guess you have already Joined the ODFAuthor Mailing list.
>
I'm not sure. I feel like an extreme rookie here =) Can you tell me where
can I subscribe?
> I think the articles on MediaWiki are very helpful. Here is an example:
> to demonstrate the needed features to write formulas and insert graphics.
> insert graphics.
>
> http://wiki.services.openoffice.org/wiki/Documentation/How_Tos/Calc:_CHISQDIST_function
> We also would like to contribute some articles like hints and tips for AOO
> on the mediawiki.
>
Indeed. I've been using those Mediawiki features a lot.
>
> Hope this can help.
> Betsy Bai
>
Thanks
--
Paulo de Souza Lima
http://almalivre.wordpress.com
Curitiba - PR
Linux User #432358
Ubuntu User #28729
Re: manuals on OpenOffice
Posted by Jingbai <ji...@gmail.com>.
Hi Paulo:
Guess you have already Joined the ODFAuthor Mailing list.
I think the articles on MediaWiki are very helpful. Here is an example:
to demonstrate the needed features to write formulas and insert graphics.
insert graphics.
http://wiki.services.openoffice.org/wiki/Documentation/How_Tos/Calc:_CHISQDIST_function
We also would like to contribute some articles like hints and tips for AOO on the mediawiki.
Hope this can help.
Betsy Bai
Sent from my iPhone
On 2012-5-14, at 上午8:14, Paulo de Souza Lima <pa...@varekai.org> wrote:
> Ok. I understand now. Anyway, I am available to contribute producing some
> documentation. Is there anyone driving these efforts already?
>
> Thanks.
>
> 2012/5/13 Andrea Pescetti <pe...@apache.org>
>
>> Paulo de Souza Lima wrote:
>>
>>> Our doubt is: The manuals will be kept under GNU License or should we wait
>>> for further discussions in order to define this issue?
>>>
>>
>> The books listed at your link,
>> http://wiki.services.**openoffice.org/wiki/**Documentation/OOo3_User_**
>> Guides/OOo3.3_Chapters_ODT<http://wiki.services.openoffice.org/wiki/Documentation/OOo3_User_Guides/OOo3.3_Chapters_ODT>
>> will not be relicensed. On the other hand, they were never the "official"
>> documentation of OpenOffice or other suites, so the situation is exactly
>> the same as it used to be. Draft of those book for Apache OpenOffice 3.4
>> were announced on this list:
>> http://www.odfauthors.org/**apache-openoffice/english/**
>> user-guides/getting-started-3.**4/drafts<http://www.odfauthors.org/apache-openoffice/english/user-guides/getting-started-3.4/drafts>
>>
>> Then this project might want to produce "official" documentation different
>> from the OOoAuthors books and suitable for inclusion in the release, but
>> this is a totally different story.
>>
>> Regards,
>> Andrea.
>>
>
>
>
> --
> Paulo de Souza Lima
> Técnico em Eletrônica e Administrador
> http://www.pasl.net.br
> http://almalivre.wordpress.com
> Curitiba - PR
> Linux User #432358
> Ubuntu User #28729
>
> "Para que as pessoas conquistem a paz em suas relações, a paz espiritual e
> a paz entre os povos, é preciso que antes se ganhe a batalha interna das
> virtudes sobre os defeitos" - Talal Husseini - Filósofo Acropolitano
>
> "For people to achieve peace in their relationships, spiritual peace and
> the peace among people, it's necessary, earlier, to win the internal battle
> between virtues and defects" - Talal Husseini - Acropolitan Philosopher
Re: manuals on OpenOffice
Posted by Paulo de Souza Lima <pa...@varekai.org>.
Ok. I understand now. Anyway, I am available to contribute producing some
documentation. Is there anyone driving these efforts already?
Thanks.
2012/5/13 Andrea Pescetti <pe...@apache.org>
> Paulo de Souza Lima wrote:
>
>> Our doubt is: The manuals will be kept under GNU License or should we wait
>> for further discussions in order to define this issue?
>>
>
> The books listed at your link,
> http://wiki.services.**openoffice.org/wiki/**Documentation/OOo3_User_**
> Guides/OOo3.3_Chapters_ODT<http://wiki.services.openoffice.org/wiki/Documentation/OOo3_User_Guides/OOo3.3_Chapters_ODT>
> will not be relicensed. On the other hand, they were never the "official"
> documentation of OpenOffice or other suites, so the situation is exactly
> the same as it used to be. Draft of those book for Apache OpenOffice 3.4
> were announced on this list:
> http://www.odfauthors.org/**apache-openoffice/english/**
> user-guides/getting-started-3.**4/drafts<http://www.odfauthors.org/apache-openoffice/english/user-guides/getting-started-3.4/drafts>
>
> Then this project might want to produce "official" documentation different
> from the OOoAuthors books and suitable for inclusion in the release, but
> this is a totally different story.
>
> Regards,
> Andrea.
>
--
Paulo de Souza Lima
Técnico em Eletrônica e Administrador
http://www.pasl.net.br
http://almalivre.wordpress.com
Curitiba - PR
Linux User #432358
Ubuntu User #28729
"Para que as pessoas conquistem a paz em suas relações, a paz espiritual e
a paz entre os povos, é preciso que antes se ganhe a batalha interna das
virtudes sobre os defeitos" - Talal Husseini - Filósofo Acropolitano
"For people to achieve peace in their relationships, spiritual peace and
the peace among people, it's necessary, earlier, to win the internal battle
between virtues and defects" - Talal Husseini - Acropolitan Philosopher
Re: manuals on OpenOffice
Posted by Andrea Pescetti <pe...@apache.org>.
Paulo de Souza Lima wrote:
> Our doubt is: The manuals will be kept under GNU License or should we wait
> for further discussions in order to define this issue?
The books listed at your link,
http://wiki.services.openoffice.org/wiki/Documentation/OOo3_User_Guides/OOo3.3_Chapters_ODT
will not be relicensed. On the other hand, they were never the
"official" documentation of OpenOffice or other suites, so the situation
is exactly the same as it used to be. Draft of those book for Apache
OpenOffice 3.4 were announced on this list:
http://www.odfauthors.org/apache-openoffice/english/user-guides/getting-started-3.4/drafts
Then this project might want to produce "official" documentation
different from the OOoAuthors books and suitable for inclusion in the
release, but this is a totally different story.
Regards,
Andrea.
Re: manuals on OpenOffice
Posted by Paulo de Souza Lima <pa...@varekai.org>.
2012/5/13 Andrea Pescetti <pe...@apache.org>
> Raul Pacheco da Silva wrote:
>
>> http://wiki.services.**openoffice.org/wiki/**Documentation/OOo3_User_**
>> Guides/OOo3.3_Chapters_ODT<http://wiki.services.openoffice.org/wiki/Documentation/OOo3_User_Guides/OOo3.3_Chapters_ODT>
>> I saw that these manuals are under the GNU ...
>> are showing that these documents OOOautohrs
>> We can make some indication in this direction and use the license at the
>> end of
>> the Apache Incubator
>>
>
> I don't completely understand what you mean (and of course I am not a
> lawyer), but if you mean that you translated the OOoAuthors documentation
> and you would like to relicense your translation under the Apache license,
> this is not possible nor necessary:
>
> - not possible because translation counts as derived work, so it inherits
> the GPL[+CC-BY] license and you can't change it unless the English version
> changes its license too.
>
> - not necessary because these guides have never been included in a release
> of OpenOffice and are not officially part of the project, and these would
> be the cases where license incompatibility matters. So if you wish to
> update/translate them, nothing changed due to the OpenOffice codebase
> license change.
>
> Regards,
> Andrea.
>
Ok.
Raul and me worked on translating LibO documentation to Pt-BR. Now we wish
to do the same for AOO, but there's no documentation available under Apache
license.
Our doubt is: The manuals will be kept under GNU License or should we wait
for further discussions in order to define this issue?
This issue don't impact the translation itself, but it impact publication
of the new translated documents. So, I think we can do that with the old
OOo 3.3 docs, but we don't know how to proceed on new documentation on AOO
3.4
Rgds.
--
Paulo de Souza Lima
Técnico em Eletrônica e Administrador
http://www.pasl.net.br
http://almalivre.wordpress.com
Curitiba - PR
Linux User #432358
Ubuntu User #28729
"Para que as pessoas conquistem a paz em suas relações, a paz espiritual e
a paz entre os povos, é preciso que antes se ganhe a batalha interna das
virtudes sobre os defeitos" - Talal Husseini - Filósofo Acropolitano
"For people to achieve peace in their relationships, spiritual peace and
the peace among people, it's necessary, earlier, to win the internal battle
between virtues and defects" - Talal Husseini - Acropolitan Philosopher
Re: manuals on OpenOffice
Posted by Andrea Pescetti <pe...@apache.org>.
Raul Pacheco da Silva wrote:
> http://wiki.services.openoffice.org/wiki/Documentation/OOo3_User_Guides/OOo3.3_Chapters_ODT
> I saw that these manuals are under the GNU ...
> are showing that these documents OOOautohrs
> We can make some indication in this direction and use the license at the end of
> the Apache Incubator
I don't completely understand what you mean (and of course I am not a
lawyer), but if you mean that you translated the OOoAuthors
documentation and you would like to relicense your translation under the
Apache license, this is not possible nor necessary:
- not possible because translation counts as derived work, so it
inherits the GPL[+CC-BY] license and you can't change it unless the
English version changes its license too.
- not necessary because these guides have never been included in a
release of OpenOffice and are not officially part of the project, and
these would be the cases where license incompatibility matters. So if
you wish to update/translate them, nothing changed due to the OpenOffice
codebase license change.
Regards,
Andrea.