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Posted to solr-user@lucene.apache.org by Paul Libbrecht <pa...@hoplahup.net> on 2011/08/17 14:10:00 UTC
Re: Faceted Search Patent Lawsuit
Le 17 août 2011 à 13:01, Robert Muir a écrit :
>> On Tue, Aug 16, 2011 at 03:58:29PM -0400, Grant Ingersoll wrote:
>>> I know you mean well and are probably wondering what to do next [...]
>>
>> Still, a short heads-up like Johnson's would seem OK?
>> After all, this is of concern to us all.
>
> nothing to be concerned about, just a stupid patent troll, and I feel
> like this thread feeds him.
>
> just dont give this "company" any money, do your homework first!!!!
Robert,
I believe, precisely, the objective of such a thread is to be helped by knowledgeable techies into being able to do what you say.
If Johnson gave only 3 lines of details, such as claimed patent URLs or dates, we might easily be able to tell him the pointer of a publication that would discourage such patent-trolling.
paul
Re: Faceted Search Patent Lawsuit
Posted by LaMaze Johnson <la...@zesco.com>.
Walter Underwood wrote:
>
> I have no plan to look at the patents, but there is some serious prior art
> in faceted search. First, faceted classification for libraries was
> invented by S. R. Ranganathan in 1933. Computer search for libraries dates
> from the 1960's, probably. Combining the two is obvious, even back then.
>
> wunder
>
Adobe in their lawsuit is claiming that the patent is invalid. I was amazed
that any such patent even existed on something so ubiquitous across the web.
Obviously a ruling on the merits of the patent are needed. I guess this is
where patent lawyers come in to the equation.
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Re: Faceted Search Patent Lawsuit
Posted by Gora Mohanty <go...@mimirtech.com>.
Hi,
Sorry for the top-quote: On a
mobile.
A discussion on the evils of
patents aside, shirley library
catalogues are prior art. I
remember such systems giving
lists of matches by category, if
maybe not counts.
Will look at the patent applications, but sheesh,
what a waste of time and resources.
Regards,
Gora
On 17-Aug-2011 8:36 PM, "Walter Underwood" <wu...@wunderwood.org> wrote:
> I have no plan to look at the patents, but there is some serious prior art
in faceted search. First, faceted classification for libraries was invented
by S. R. Ranganathan in 1933. Computer search for libraries dates from the
1960's, probably. Combining the two is obvious, even back then.
>
> wunder
>
> On Aug 17, 2011, at 7:55 AM, Matt Shields wrote:
>
>> On Wed, Aug 17, 2011 at 8:51 AM, LaMaze Johnson <la...@zesco.com> wrote:
>>
>>>
>>> Paul Libbrecht-4 wrote:
>>>>
>>>> Robert,
>>>>
>>>> I believe, precisely, the objective of such a thread is to be helped by
>>>> knowledgeable techies into being able to do what you say.
>>>>
>>>> If Johnson gave only 3 lines of details, such as claimed patent URLs or
>>>> dates, we might easily be able to tell him the pointer of a publication
>>>> that would discourage such patent-trolling.
>>>>
>>>> paul
>>>>
>>>
>>> I'm sorry. I assumed the information I provided would lead any
resourceful
>>> techie to the details. At any rate here is some additional information:
>>>
>>> Patent Claim:
>>>
>>>
http://www.google.com/patents?id=oFwIAAAAEBAJ&printsec=frontcover&dq=6275821&hl=en&ei=57ZLTs7jHs3HsQKWvsjcCA&sa=X&oi=book_result&ct=result&resnum=1&ved=0CCkQ6AEwAA
>>>
>>> Background:
>>> http://www.ndcalblog.com/2011/07/ebay-prevails-in-limiting-patent.html
>>>
>>> Ebay/Microsoft suit:
>>>
>>>
http://www.whda.com/blog/wp-content/uploads/2011/05/2011.5.12-MO-Ebay-v.-Parts-River.pdf
>>>
>>> Adobe suit:
>>> http://news.priorsmart.com/adobe-systems-v-kelora-systems-l4in/
>>>
>>> Consequently, they have been known to act on these threats. I don't
think
>>> it would be prudent to ignore them. At any rate, lawyers will be
involved
>>> and they aren't cheap. Until the suits have been played out with the
likes
>>> of eBay, Microsoft, and Adobe, potentially anyone who uses faceted
search
>>> systems could potentially be at risk.
>>>
>>> Take it for what it's worth. Don't shoot the messenger.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> --
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>>>
>>
>> I, for one, am grateful for you posting this information. Thank you
>>
>> Matthew Shields
>> Owner
>> BeanTown Host - Web Hosting, Domain Names, Dedicated Servers, Colocation,
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>
Re: Faceted Search Patent Lawsuit
Posted by Darren Govoni <da...@ontrenet.com>.
patent rights only last 17 years then it is public domain.
On 08/17/2011 11:05 AM, Walter Underwood wrote:
> I have no plan to look at the patents, but there is some serious prior art in faceted search. First, faceted classification for libraries was invented by S. R. Ranganathan in 1933. Computer search for libraries dates from the 1960's, probably. Combining the two is obvious, even back then.
>
> wunder
>
> On Aug 17, 2011, at 7:55 AM, Matt Shields wrote:
>
>> On Wed, Aug 17, 2011 at 8:51 AM, LaMaze Johnson<la...@zesco.com> wrote:
>>
>>> Paul Libbrecht-4 wrote:
>>>> Robert,
>>>>
>>>> I believe, precisely, the objective of such a thread is to be helped by
>>>> knowledgeable techies into being able to do what you say.
>>>>
>>>> If Johnson gave only 3 lines of details, such as claimed patent URLs or
>>>> dates, we might easily be able to tell him the pointer of a publication
>>>> that would discourage such patent-trolling.
>>>>
>>>> paul
>>>>
>>> I'm sorry. I assumed the information I provided would lead any resourceful
>>> techie to the details. At any rate here is some additional information:
>>>
>>> Patent Claim:
>>>
>>> http://www.google.com/patents?id=oFwIAAAAEBAJ&printsec=frontcover&dq=6275821&hl=en&ei=57ZLTs7jHs3HsQKWvsjcCA&sa=X&oi=book_result&ct=result&resnum=1&ved=0CCkQ6AEwAA
>>>
>>> Background:
>>> http://www.ndcalblog.com/2011/07/ebay-prevails-in-limiting-patent.html
>>>
>>> Ebay/Microsoft suit:
>>>
>>> http://www.whda.com/blog/wp-content/uploads/2011/05/2011.5.12-MO-Ebay-v.-Parts-River.pdf
>>>
>>> Adobe suit:
>>> http://news.priorsmart.com/adobe-systems-v-kelora-systems-l4in/
>>>
>>> Consequently, they have been known to act on these threats. I don't think
>>> it would be prudent to ignore them. At any rate, lawyers will be involved
>>> and they aren't cheap. Until the suits have been played out with the likes
>>> of eBay, Microsoft, and Adobe, potentially anyone who uses faceted search
>>> systems could potentially be at risk.
>>>
>>> Take it for what it's worth. Don't shoot the messenger.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> --
>>> View this message in context:
>>> http://lucene.472066.n3.nabble.com/Faceted-Search-Patent-Lawsuit-Please-Read-tp3259475p3261514.html
>>> Sent from the Solr - User mailing list archive at Nabble.com.
>>>
>> I, for one, am grateful for you posting this information. Thank you
>>
>> Matthew Shields
>> Owner
>> BeanTown Host - Web Hosting, Domain Names, Dedicated Servers, Colocation,
>> Managed Services
>> www.beantownhost.com
>> www.sysadminvalley.com
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Re: Faceted Search Patent Lawsuit
Posted by Walter Underwood <wu...@wunderwood.org>.
I have no plan to look at the patents, but there is some serious prior art in faceted search. First, faceted classification for libraries was invented by S. R. Ranganathan in 1933. Computer search for libraries dates from the 1960's, probably. Combining the two is obvious, even back then.
wunder
On Aug 17, 2011, at 7:55 AM, Matt Shields wrote:
> On Wed, Aug 17, 2011 at 8:51 AM, LaMaze Johnson <la...@zesco.com> wrote:
>
>>
>> Paul Libbrecht-4 wrote:
>>>
>>> Robert,
>>>
>>> I believe, precisely, the objective of such a thread is to be helped by
>>> knowledgeable techies into being able to do what you say.
>>>
>>> If Johnson gave only 3 lines of details, such as claimed patent URLs or
>>> dates, we might easily be able to tell him the pointer of a publication
>>> that would discourage such patent-trolling.
>>>
>>> paul
>>>
>>
>> I'm sorry. I assumed the information I provided would lead any resourceful
>> techie to the details. At any rate here is some additional information:
>>
>> Patent Claim:
>>
>> http://www.google.com/patents?id=oFwIAAAAEBAJ&printsec=frontcover&dq=6275821&hl=en&ei=57ZLTs7jHs3HsQKWvsjcCA&sa=X&oi=book_result&ct=result&resnum=1&ved=0CCkQ6AEwAA
>>
>> Background:
>> http://www.ndcalblog.com/2011/07/ebay-prevails-in-limiting-patent.html
>>
>> Ebay/Microsoft suit:
>>
>> http://www.whda.com/blog/wp-content/uploads/2011/05/2011.5.12-MO-Ebay-v.-Parts-River.pdf
>>
>> Adobe suit:
>> http://news.priorsmart.com/adobe-systems-v-kelora-systems-l4in/
>>
>> Consequently, they have been known to act on these threats. I don't think
>> it would be prudent to ignore them. At any rate, lawyers will be involved
>> and they aren't cheap. Until the suits have been played out with the likes
>> of eBay, Microsoft, and Adobe, potentially anyone who uses faceted search
>> systems could potentially be at risk.
>>
>> Take it for what it's worth. Don't shoot the messenger.
>>
>>
>>
>> --
>> View this message in context:
>> http://lucene.472066.n3.nabble.com/Faceted-Search-Patent-Lawsuit-Please-Read-tp3259475p3261514.html
>> Sent from the Solr - User mailing list archive at Nabble.com.
>>
>
> I, for one, am grateful for you posting this information. Thank you
>
> Matthew Shields
> Owner
> BeanTown Host - Web Hosting, Domain Names, Dedicated Servers, Colocation,
> Managed Services
> www.beantownhost.com
> www.sysadminvalley.com
> www.jeeprally.com
Re: Faceted Search Patent Lawsuit
Posted by Matt Shields <ma...@mattshields.org>.
On Wed, Aug 17, 2011 at 8:51 AM, LaMaze Johnson <la...@zesco.com> wrote:
>
> Paul Libbrecht-4 wrote:
> >
> > Robert,
> >
> > I believe, precisely, the objective of such a thread is to be helped by
> > knowledgeable techies into being able to do what you say.
> >
> > If Johnson gave only 3 lines of details, such as claimed patent URLs or
> > dates, we might easily be able to tell him the pointer of a publication
> > that would discourage such patent-trolling.
> >
> > paul
> >
>
> I'm sorry. I assumed the information I provided would lead any resourceful
> techie to the details. At any rate here is some additional information:
>
> Patent Claim:
>
> http://www.google.com/patents?id=oFwIAAAAEBAJ&printsec=frontcover&dq=6275821&hl=en&ei=57ZLTs7jHs3HsQKWvsjcCA&sa=X&oi=book_result&ct=result&resnum=1&ved=0CCkQ6AEwAA
>
> Background:
> http://www.ndcalblog.com/2011/07/ebay-prevails-in-limiting-patent.html
>
> Ebay/Microsoft suit:
>
> http://www.whda.com/blog/wp-content/uploads/2011/05/2011.5.12-MO-Ebay-v.-Parts-River.pdf
>
> Adobe suit:
> http://news.priorsmart.com/adobe-systems-v-kelora-systems-l4in/
>
> Consequently, they have been known to act on these threats. I don't think
> it would be prudent to ignore them. At any rate, lawyers will be involved
> and they aren't cheap. Until the suits have been played out with the likes
> of eBay, Microsoft, and Adobe, potentially anyone who uses faceted search
> systems could potentially be at risk.
>
> Take it for what it's worth. Don't shoot the messenger.
>
>
>
> --
> View this message in context:
> http://lucene.472066.n3.nabble.com/Faceted-Search-Patent-Lawsuit-Please-Read-tp3259475p3261514.html
> Sent from the Solr - User mailing list archive at Nabble.com.
>
I, for one, am grateful for you posting this information. Thank you
Matthew Shields
Owner
BeanTown Host - Web Hosting, Domain Names, Dedicated Servers, Colocation,
Managed Services
www.beantownhost.com
www.sysadminvalley.com
www.jeeprally.com
Re: Faceted Search Patent Lawsuit
Posted by LaMaze Johnson <la...@zesco.com>.
Paul Libbrecht-4 wrote:
>
> Robert,
>
> I believe, precisely, the objective of such a thread is to be helped by
> knowledgeable techies into being able to do what you say.
>
> If Johnson gave only 3 lines of details, such as claimed patent URLs or
> dates, we might easily be able to tell him the pointer of a publication
> that would discourage such patent-trolling.
>
> paul
>
I'm sorry. I assumed the information I provided would lead any resourceful
techie to the details. At any rate here is some additional information:
Patent Claim:
http://www.google.com/patents?id=oFwIAAAAEBAJ&printsec=frontcover&dq=6275821&hl=en&ei=57ZLTs7jHs3HsQKWvsjcCA&sa=X&oi=book_result&ct=result&resnum=1&ved=0CCkQ6AEwAA
Background:
http://www.ndcalblog.com/2011/07/ebay-prevails-in-limiting-patent.html
Ebay/Microsoft suit:
http://www.whda.com/blog/wp-content/uploads/2011/05/2011.5.12-MO-Ebay-v.-Parts-River.pdf
Adobe suit: http://news.priorsmart.com/adobe-systems-v-kelora-systems-l4in/
Consequently, they have been known to act on these threats. I don't think
it would be prudent to ignore them. At any rate, lawyers will be involved
and they aren't cheap. Until the suits have been played out with the likes
of eBay, Microsoft, and Adobe, potentially anyone who uses faceted search
systems could potentially be at risk.
Take it for what it's worth. Don't shoot the messenger.
--
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